МЕРКОСУР, Индия и ЕС: Торговые амбиции встречают политическое сопротивление в "Кольце

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МЕРКОСУР, Индия и ЕС: Торговые амбиции встречают политическое сопротивление в "Кольце  В этом выпуске программы "Звонок" евродепутаты Уорборн (ЕНП) и Маллули (Renew Europe) ведут жаркие дебаты по поводу соглашения между ЕС и Mercosur после решения парламента передать его на рассмотрение Суда Европейского союза.  ЧИТАТЬ ДАЛЕЕ : http://ru.euronews.com/2026/01/29/merkosur-indiya-i-es-torgovye-ambicii-vstrechayut-politicheskoe-soprotivlenie-v  Подписывайтесь: Euronews можно смотреть на Dailymotion на 12 языках

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00:00МУЗЫКАЛЬНАЯ ЗАСТАВКА

00:05МУЗЫКАЛЬНАЯ ЗАСТАВКА

00:10Welcome to The Ring, your news's debating show

00:13broadcasting from the European...

00:15Parliament here in Brussels.

00:17Once a week, two elected members of the European...

00:20Parliament go face-to-face on some of the most pressing issues of our time.

00:25This week, we zoom in on the hot-button issue of trade from South America.

00:30To India, the EU has signed not one, but two massive trade...

00:35...deals in 2026 alone.

00:37European business communities are euphoric...

00:40...and farming communities are concerned.

00:41Luis Alberto has more.

00:45As global trade becomes increasingly entangled with geopolitics,

00:49the EU is...

00:50...being forced to rethink what its economic openness is for...

00:53...growth or a situation.

00:55With the United States becoming a less reliable partner and China...

01:00...ever more dominant competitor,

01:02trade is no longer just about lowering tariffs...

01:05...and about securing supply chains, influence and autonomy.

01:09Negotiations...

01:10...with India...

01:11...renewed momentum on a deal with Mercosur...

01:13...and outreach to Indo-Pacific...

01:15...partners reflect this shift.

01:17Supporters say these trade deals secure...

01:20...of Europe's place in a fragmented global economy.

01:23Critics fear they hurt farmers.

01:25...weaken environmental standards...

01:26...and erode public trust.

01:30Can the EU use its standards as leverage...

01:32...rather than compromise them for access and influence?

01:35Or will internal divisions reduce it to a large market...

01:38...reacting to decisions...

01:40...made elsewhere?

01:42The questions we hope to pose to our contenders...

01:45...let's meet them.

01:47Kieran Malouli, an Irish MEP...

01:50...and a member of the Renew Europe Group.

01:52He is a Vice-Chair of the Special Committee on Housing...

01:55...and a member of the Committee on Regional Development.

01:58Before becoming an MEP, he worked...

02:00...as a journalist for over three decades.

02:02He has also been a consistent critic...

02:04...of the EU Mercosur...

02:05...trade agreement, arguing that in its current form...

02:08...it poses significant risks to...

02:10...European farmers, food standards and public health.

02:13The Mercosur trade deal...

02:15...will do nothing of substance for the non-agricultural sector...

02:18...in Europe, he said.

02:20Jürgen Warborn, a Swedish MEP and a...

02:25...member of the European People's Party Group.

02:27He serves on the Committee on International Trade...

02:30...where he has played a prominent role...

02:32...in shaping the European Parliament's trade policy agenda.

02:35His work focuses on strengthening the EU's competitiveness...

02:38...expanding international trade...

02:40...and supporting open markets.

02:42On the Mercosur deal, he said...

02:45...we owe citizens facts, not fear.

02:48The safeguards in this agreement are...

02:50...stronger than in any previous EU trade deal.

02:53Kieran Mululi and your...

02:55Jürgen Warborn, welcome to their ring.

02:58Yes.

02:59The idea here is to give...

03:00...our viewers a glimpse of what your debates are like...

03:02...inside the hemicycle.

03:03So I hope you feel right.

03:05...at home.

03:06Kieran Mululi, let's start with you.

03:07334 members of the European...

03:10Parliament voted in favour of referring the EU Mercosur deal...

03:13...to the European Court of...

03:15...justice.

03:16You were one of them.

03:17Why do you dislike this deal so much?

03:19Well, I suppose, firstly...

03:20...that issue on that vote last week...

03:21...wasn't entirely just on the Mercosur issue.

03:23It was on the issue of what were their...

03:25...wherefore, as a parliament, we're there, as you know...

03:27...to co-legislate and also to be the...

03:30...they'd be there to scrutinise trade deals as well.

03:32So effectively, what we were asking for last week...

03:34...was one, just one...

03:35...is something at the moment...

03:36...a legal referral.

03:37We want our top courts in Europe to look at the issues...

03:39...particularly look at that...

03:40...balancing mechanism.

03:41It's something new...

03:42...in terms of the parliament over the last 30 years.

03:45And as we know, the European Court of Justice moves very slowly...

03:48...so we could be looking at perhaps...

03:50...two more years before they finish their work.

03:53And 324...

03:55...members of the European Parliament disagreed with this...

03:57...and they voted against referring the deal to the...

04:00...the European Court of Justice.

04:01Tell you why you like the deal so much.

04:03I think the viewers saw...

04:05...that China is now pressing us on one part...

04:08...and the US...

04:10...on the other parts.

04:11From a geopolitical standpoint, this is a good deal.

04:14From an economic...

04:15...this is creating more jobs in Europe.

04:18So we need it.

04:20...as soon as possible.

04:21And...

04:22...you mentioned one of the issues...

04:25...that made you want to send it for a legal check.

04:28But that is not really true.

04:30...that the rebalancing mechanism...

04:32...it's covered for within the agreement.

04:34There is...

04:35...no issue there.

04:36And there is a potentiality now...

04:37...that the deal could be provisionally...

04:40...implemented.

04:41...and that's...

04:42...that's what we need now because...

04:43How would you feel about that?

04:44If the Commission already...

04:45...I have a major problem.

04:46I have a major problem.

04:47Just to stick with the vote this week...

04:50...that the majority of our MEPs...

04:52...in all around Europe...

04:53...have felt that this issue needs to be...

04:55...referred.

04:56It needs to be looked at in depth.

04:57Remember...

04:58...right across Europe...

04:59...technology is like a...

05:00...in France and Poland.

05:01127 MEPs in those areas voted yes...

05:04...for this...

05:05...decision.

05:06They represent the biggest industries...

05:07...in Europe.

05:08Germany, the biggest economy...

05:09...is in favour.

05:10But the French MEPs...

05:10...and the...

05:11...and the Polish Trump...

05:12...to a person.

05:13Representing industries in Bordeaux...

05:14...and Paris...

05:15...in Amsterdam...

05:16...and right across Warsaw...

05:17...and yet they said...

05:18...we need a legal referral.

05:19I trust that you...

05:20Jürgen, do you not trust their...

05:21...judgment that this needs to go back...

05:23...to terms of industry...

05:24...and their countries?

05:25No, it's the...

05:25...the other way around.

05:26I mean...

05:27...it's in...

05:28...for the rebalancing mechanism...

05:29...as you mentioned...

05:30...is one of the most important...

05:31...part from you...

05:32...it is actually in the agreement.

05:34So you might not...

05:35...but they wanted to be reviewed...

05:36...obviously...

05:37So why did you want to review it?

05:38...members of parliament...

05:39...why did...

05:40...members of parliament...

05:41...are asked to come forward...

05:42...and to represent...

05:43...their constituents?

05:44The...

05:45...in...

05:46...industries...

05:47...in France...

05:48...and in Poland...

05:49...and in Ireland...

05:50...said...

05:51...we don't...

05:52...we want to see...

05:53...a proper legal...

05:54...review...

05:55...so...

05:56...have you read that article?

05:57I guess you didn't...

05:58...no I haven't...

05:59...but I've looked at the...

06:00...that's why you voted...

06:01...the way you did...

06:02...I've looked at the precedence...

06:01...that's sort of been suggested...

06:02...as precedence...

06:03...in the precedence cases...

06:04...there were previous trade agreements...

06:05...with the European...

06:06...in the European Union...

06:07...there's no previous trade agreement...

06:08...with regard to the Mercosur countries...

06:09...and in those circumstances...

06:10...it's in order that we do this.

06:11...we haven't used it before...

06:12...I agree with that...

06:13...but it's also within...

06:14...all the WTO rules...

06:16...and since it's in the agreement...

06:18...which you...

06:19...obviously haven't read...

06:21...you still voted...

06:22...to send it for legal checks...

06:23...because I represent...

06:24...my country...

06:25...and the industry...

06:26...in my country...

06:27...the same as the French...

06:28...in Bordeaux...

06:29...and Paris...

06:30...and Warsaw...

06:31...say...

06:32...we want illegal...

06:31...a review of this agreement...

06:32...what are you afraid of...

06:33...Jergen?

06:34Are you afraid it will come back...

06:35...that it will not come back at all...

06:36...what are you afraid of...

06:38...what are your fears...

06:39...I'm afraid of losing...

06:41...jobs in Europe...

06:42...the economic development...

06:43...I'm afraid of losing...

06:44...jobs in Europe...

06:46...I'm afraid of...

06:47...the small business owners...

06:48...I'm afraid of...

06:49...all that growth...

06:50...that you...

06:51...and Europe needs...

06:52...in this moment...

06:53...my issue...

06:54...and one of the big issues...

06:55...I have with this deal...

06:56...is the scale of it...

06:56...it's over-racist...

06:57...it's over-stated...

06:58...I'm pro-trade...

06:59...I'm in favour of the EU...

07:00...India...

07:01...trade agreement...

07:02...and I was cheering...

07:03...yesterday morning...

07:04...why?

07:05...because of the scale of it...

07:06...we're talking about...

07:06...with 1.5 billion people...

07:08...as opposed to...

07:09...Mercosau...

07:10...with 300 million people...

07:11...we're talking about...

07:12...a country with...

07:13...limited trade opportunities...

07:14...as opposed to India...

07:15...which is...

07:16...which is Sean...

07:17...will...

07:16...to trade...

07:17...these are totally...

07:18...different situations...

07:19...you're afraid...

07:20...they won't come back...

07:21...the scale is now...

07:21...there, Jurgen...

07:22...I'm not really worried...

07:23...oh, the scale is...

07:24...definitely there...

07:25...it's 200...

07:26...170...

07:27...million...

07:28...consumers...

07:29...in the Mercosur countries...

07:30...a million and a half...

07:31...no, but I'd like...

07:31...to have both...

07:32...I'd like to have both...

07:33...we have US...

07:34...pressing us...

07:35...with terrorists...

07:36...we have China...

07:36...pressing us...

07:37...with subsidies...

07:38...and you are choosing...

07:39...one agreement...

07:40...I'm choosing two...

07:41...and you...

07:42...you say...

07:43...well, it's not enough growth...

07:44...but it's still growth...

07:45...and Kieran, are you not worried...

07:46...about the...

07:46...we use relevance...

07:47...on the global stage?

07:48I'm...

07:49...you have to be relevant...

07:50...we have to do...

07:51...to trade deals...

07:52...but I want to...

07:53...but I want to...

07:54...to trade with countries...

07:55...I want to trade with countries...

07:56...that are...

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08:53Если прайс увеличится более чем 5% и вовремя...

08:58Если прайс увеличится более чем 5% и вовремя...

09:02И это не только...

09:03Прайс увеличится больше чем 5% и вовремя.

09:08Вы уходите в следующем году, в следующем году?

09:10Ну, это тоже самое.

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11:17So now you both have the opportunity

11:21To kick off with your own questions

11:23So I will stay quiet for a minute

11:24Kiran you go ahead please

11:26With your first question

11:26Yeah I mean I want to ask Juergen

11:28Up straight if he knows

11:29What antimicrobial resistance

11:31What antimicrobial resistance

11:31Is in terms of medical situation

11:33It's basically a medical condition

11:36Which occurs after the overuse of antibiotics

11:38It's something that affects you and me

11:40Forget about the

11:41The animals for the moment

11:41It's you and me

11:42Your kids

11:42Your family

11:43And if in an emergency situation

11:46You go into hospital

11:46You require antibiotics

11:48If you've been exposed

11:49To more antibiotics than you

11:50You

11:51You

11:51In the course of your life

11:52You're in big trouble

11:53Brazilian media is coming in

11:54The end of the day

11:55We know how to

11:56Antibiotics are in it

11:56We've seen it

11:57In my country

11:57We've had an expose

11:58With regard to

11:59Right across Brazil

12:01It's still going on

12:01So the question is very straightforward

12:03The question is very straightforward

12:04At the end of the day

12:05What

12:06What price

12:06Do you put

12:07On the safety

12:07Of your family

12:08So the meat

12:10Is coming in

12:11No matter

12:11With the

12:12Mercosur agreement

12:12Or not

12:13And what happens

12:14If we have

12:15The

12:16Mercosur agreement

12:16Is that we increase

12:18The checks

12:19In fact

12:20We will do

12:2150% more checks

12:22In the

12:23Mercosur countries

12:24We will do

12:2633% more checks

12:27At the border

12:28At the

12:30European borders

12:31And there will be

12:32A task force

12:33To improve

12:34The border

12:34Efficiency

12:36So actually

12:37For health

12:38For people

12:39And for animals

12:41And for the plants

12:42There will be

12:42More checks

12:43With the

12:44Mercosur agreement

12:45You can guarantee

12:45That we

12:46Without the

12:46Argument

12:47You can guarantee

12:47This

12:48Because on the

12:4925th of September

12:50Last year

12:50They

12:50Came into Ireland

12:51I've asked the

12:52Commission

12:52Since that

12:53About the

12:54Checks

12:54Where the

12:55Meat came

12:55From

12:56Where it

12:56Went to

12:56The

12:57Commission

12:57Doesn't

12:58Know

12:58They

12:59Still

12:59Don't

12:59Know

12:59So

13:00You're

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13:00By what

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14:27Better

14:27Go

14:27To

14:27The

14:27Economy

14:28Of

14:28The

14:28EU

14:29And

14:29When

14:29The

14:29People

14:29Of

14:30France

14:30People

14:30Poland

14:31People

14:31Of

14:32Austria

14:32Ireland

14:32And

14:33Even

14:33Belgium

14:33On

14:34This

14:34Have

14:34Come

14:34In

14:34And

14:34Said

14:35The

14:35End

14:35Of

14:35Day

14:35We

14:36More

14:36To

14:36Lose

14:37In

14:37A

14:37Deal

14:37Of

14:38This

14:38Size

14:39Because

14:39It

14:39So

14:39Small

14:40That's

14:40What

14:40They

14:40Saying

14:41To

14:41Me

14:41Even

14:41Though

14:41I

14:41Don't

14:41Know

14:41If

14:41The

14:41French

14:42Economy

14:42Should

14:42Be

14:42A

14:42Good

14:42Example

14:43Well

14:44Nevertheless

14:44The

14:44French

14:45Reunited

14:45On

14:45This

14:45We

14:46We've

14:46Seen

14:46It

14:46In

14:47The

14:47Parliament

14:47I

14:47Mean

14:47127

14:48MPs

14:49Can

14:49Be

14:49Wrong

14:49Can

14:49They

14:49All

14:49Be

14:49Wrong

14:50Jürgen

14:50They

14:50All

14:50Be

14:51Wrong

14:51They

14:51Can

14:51All

14:51Be

14:51Wrong

14:52That's

14:52A

14:53Statement

14:53About

14:54You

14:54And

14:54Democracy

14:54Because

14:55At

14:55The

14:55End

14:55Of

14:55The

14:55Day

14:55They

14:56Represent

14:56Left

14:56Right

14:57And

14:57Middle

14:57Kira

14:58Mullooly

14:58You've

14:58Chance

14:58For

14:59Another

14:59Question

14:59Are

15:00You

15:00In

15:00Favour

15:00Of

15:01A

15:01Deal

15:01Which

15:01At

15:02The

15:02End

15:02Of

15:02The

15:02Day

15:02Continues

15:03To

15:03Leave

15:04Workers

15:04In

15:04Brazil

15:04On

15:05An

15:05Average

15:06Monthly

15:06Salary

15:06Of

15:07Just

15:071,000

15:08Euro

15:08It's

15:09Doing

15:09Nothing

15:09For

15:09Trade

15:09How

15:10Could

15:10You

15:10Support

15:10That

15:11Nothing

15:11For

15:11Employees

15:12And

15:12Workers

15:12In

15:12Brazil

15:13You're

15:13Right

15:13Answer

15:13So

15:14If

15:16We

15:16Vote

15:16Down

15:16The

15:17Mercosur

15:17Trade

15:17Agreement

15:18How

15:19Will

15:20Help

15:20The

15:21Workers

15:21In

15:22Brazil

15:22How

15:23Will

15:23It

15:23Help

15:23The

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15:24In

15:24Brazil

15:25How

15:25Will

15:26It

15:26Help

15:26The

15:27Workers

15:27In

15:28Brazil

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19:04think it's good for Europe because of the scale that's the key issue of balance what Europe has and

19:09what's possible okay and so now the workforce is they can afford to buy

19:14a Volvo you mean in India and the Irish can afford to buy another car

19:19in Ireland with the whiskey sales increase it's a win-win it's a win-win which will happen in Mercosur as well

19:24well not because of the scale you're going I'm quite genuine about that it doesn't have the scale

19:28that's if you look see

19:29in Ireland at the moment we've got half a billion sales already into India in terms of whiskey

19:34already

19:34before we start whereas the Mercosur exports are tiny from an Irish perspective

19:39277

19:3970 million consumers I think the viewers can assess that

19:431.5

19:441.4

19:44we will continue discussing it in one minute but just we must take a short break here on the ring

19:49but stay with us because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the parliament

19:54we'll be back here on the ring

19:59welcome back to the ring

20:04your news's weekly debating show here broadcasting from the parliament in Brussels

20:09I'm joined by MEP's Ciaran Mullooly and Jorgen Warburne and the idea here is to bring the party

20:14party debates to your sofa so what about you well according to a recent

20:19euro barometer what do Europeans think of the EU trade policy well 77

20:2481% support the EU's common trade policy 83% save

20:29that the EU should strengthen its economic independence and diversify its trade relations

20:34but at least 75% of citizens agree that

20:39agricultural imports should only ever enter the European Union if they comply

20:44with the EU's environmental animal welfare and labour standards

20:49are you surprised

20:49why is there?

20:50no not a bit

20:51I'm pro trade and I'm the person who says we have to make these

20:54deals and make sure they're the right deals but the key one is the last stats the 75%

20:58the end of the day

20:59people want to have safe food and if the safeguards are to mean anything then they've got to come back

21:04to parliament we start looking at them again we've got to find out where did the meat come from last September in Ireland

21:09nobody knows it's still a mystery we cannot go forward until we have clear safeguards on these issues

21:14Jorgen your reaction there to that data?

21:16I'm not surprised at all

21:18well if I am

21:19I'm surprised it's rather that the last number isn't higher because

21:24of course we're all concerned with food safety and my point is that with

21:29the Mercosur agreement food safety will actually increase we will have more checks

21:3450% more checks in the Mercosur countries 33% more checks at our border

21:39a task force of increasing efficiently efficiently so I guess

21:44that means that we will find the meat or other products that are

21:49that are not good for us

21:51so why is the EU Mercosur deal so toxic then?

21:53is there a

21:54communications issue here have you been miscommunicating this deal and the benefits perhaps?

21:58I think so

21:59you know I also admit that there are sensitive products for the agriculture sector

22:04as a whole it's huge potential for dairy for wine

22:09for a lot of different products but for some products they are sensitive it's beef

22:14it's poultry it's sugar it's a few others but here the commission has really been clever

22:19in negotiating it it's tariff rate quotas meaning the volumes are small

22:24relatively small relatively small 1.5 percent maximum in consumption of the EU

22:29for beef

22:30for beef

22:31one steak per year

22:32one steak per year

22:33one steak per year

22:34one steak per year

22:34and then it goes

22:35and then it grows and then it grows

22:36no it doesn't

22:37it's in the agreement

22:38so it's one steak

22:39and then

22:40and then with the quotas then you have the safeguards meaning that

22:44prices cannot decrease too much then tariffs kicks in and there is also

22:49an insurance policy in terms of money

22:51I think the good news on the vote last week is that Europe is changing

22:54its mind about the entire America's ordeal now

22:56we've seen

22:57who is

22:58I was told

22:59who in Europe

22:59you haven't seen the commission president change your mind

23:00I think social

23:01to be very clear about it

23:02these statistics

23:03there's something

23:04very clear about it

23:05when we voted on

23:06but just who has changed their mind

23:07I'm really curious

23:08answer the question

23:09last year when we had

23:09we had a vote

23:10we had 10, 11 social democrats

23:12who abstained

23:13this week they voted

23:14in favour of the legal agreement

23:15I believe they'll vote

23:16to

23:17to knock down Mercosur

23:18that's who's changed their mind

23:19that's why we won this week by the way

23:20it wasn't

23:21so the left put the motion forward

23:22the right were involved

23:23but at the end of the day

23:24it was social democrats

23:25from Romania and Hungaria

23:27that changed their mind

23:28in this situation

23:29and that's happening

23:30right across the border

23:31with regard to Mercosur

23:32but it's very political

23:33because of the safety issues

23:34it's very political

23:34it's about food quality

23:35it's about politics too

23:36you asked the question

23:37what did the commission do wrong

23:38the commission

23:39they failed to recognise

23:40the cultural problem in Brazil

23:42this is an examination

23:43that went over

23:44over 3,000 kilometres

23:45over 14

23:46you disagree sir

23:47it's right across the border

23:48you can't

23:49change that overnight

23:50you can't

23:51Tyrion is putting forward

23:52great arguments

23:53for

23:54provisional application

23:55actually

23:56meaning that

23:57the Mercosur agreement

23:58should now

23:59start to be in force

24:01as soon as possible

24:02because

24:03the

24:04vote last week

24:05you didn't

24:06you didn't

24:07read the agreement

24:08but

24:09you still voted

24:10to send it

24:11for legal checks

24:12meaning that

24:13what you are really

24:14against

24:15it's the Mercosur agreement

24:16and that's why

24:17it was a

24:18delaying

24:19process from you

24:20and some colleagues

24:21but

24:22we cannot afford

24:23to delay the process

24:24we have been negotiating

24:25this for 25 years

24:2625 years

24:27and now we need

24:28to put it into

24:29for us

24:30and I think

24:31forget about 250

24:32not happening

24:33no no no

24:34we do more checks

24:35so when we

24:34put it into into action

24:36then

24:37export will grow

24:38jobs will grow

24:39and that will be

24:40very good for you

24:41that won't grow

24:42that's the trees

24:43in the Amazon

24:44you seem to have

24:45forgotten that

24:44issue and I'm sure

24:45your Swedish viewers

24:46are interested in that

24:47as well

24:48we heard it

24:49at Christmas

24:49the biggest soil

24:50producers in Brazil

24:51are going back

24:52into the rainforest

24:53and on that point

24:54that's what you're voting

24:55that's what you're voting

24:56that's what you're voting

24:57that's a fact

24:58they have

24:59action agreement

24:59once again

25:00breached an agreement

25:01and we're going back

25:02into the rainforest

25:03we're going to see more trees

25:04cut than ever

25:04before and you're saying

25:05that's fine

25:06we're going to go ahead

25:07on a provision

25:08I want to continue

25:09quizzing you

25:09is to go ahead

25:10so haven't we

25:11haven't we the EU

25:12deforestation

25:13so that's the view

25:14from

25:14that is the view

25:15from Ciarán Malouly

25:16and Jorgen Varburn

25:17now it is time though

25:18to move on to

25:19our fifth and final round

25:21are you ready?

25:24so I'm going to ask our MEPs

25:27a set of questions

25:28and you

25:29only can answer

25:30with a yes or no

25:31is that doable?

25:32debatable

25:33debatable

25:34no

25:35not easy at all

25:36is Ursula von der Leyen

25:37a good leader?

25:38Ciarán

25:39no

25:39yes

25:40do you like

25:41that Brussels trades

25:42on behalf of the 27

25:43Ciarán?

25:44yes

25:45is

25:46globalisation

25:47a good thing

25:48is globalisation a good thing?

25:49yes

25:50yes

25:51in controlled

25:52and regulated

25:53Ciarán

25:54is the EU

25:54relevant on the world stage

25:55now in 2026

25:56yes

25:57is the answer

25:58and I'm a big believer in that

25:59but we have to be

25:59more relevant

26:00and not reacting to the US

26:01and other parties

26:02or the world powers

26:03yes

26:04and with the Mercosur

26:04agreement

26:05even more so

26:06was it a mistake

26:07to sign the EU

26:08US trade deal

26:09back in Scotland

26:10back in July?

26:11no

26:12yes

26:13because we were

26:14bull

26:14on that Sunday

26:15in July

26:16our president of the commission

26:17was bullied

26:18into submission

26:19on that Sunday in July

26:20our president of the commission

26:21was bullied

26:22into submission

26:23should stay suspended

26:24until we clarify

26:25exactly what's going on

26:26in the United States

26:27we need that deal

26:28we needed concrete

26:29and we thought we had us

26:30struggling there with the yes

26:31or no

26:32we need more predictability

26:33I say more

26:34we cannot create a lot of

26:35we cannot create

26:36absolutely stable

26:38situation for businesses

26:39at the moment

26:40should the deal be ratified?

26:41it should because it creates

26:42more predictability

26:43than today

26:44final question

26:45did you agree with anything

26:46that Jorgen Varbon said today?

26:48I certainly did

26:49the overall trade deal

26:50Jorgen is right

26:51we need to do the big deals

26:53that's why I'm happy with India

26:54but it all comes down

26:55at the end of the day

26:56from me to a personal choice

26:57Jorgen would you

26:58be happy with your family

26:59eating Brazilian meat tomorrow?

27:00and what about you?

27:01yes

27:02yes absolutely

27:03I do eat Brazilian meat

27:05and Irish meat

27:06you have no idea

27:07where I came from?

27:08and just final point with you

27:09did you agree with anything

27:10Kira Malouli said here today?

27:11yes I think it is very good

27:12that Kira

27:13is supportive of the Indian

27:16the agreement with

27:18India

27:19we need that

27:20we need more trade agreements

27:21in general

27:22what a lively debate

27:23I think we've

27:23given our viewers

27:24a real glimpse

27:25of what it's like

27:26inside the heated hemicycle

27:27thank you so much

27:28Jorgen Vorborn

27:29and Kira Malouli

27:30for being our guests

27:31it was great to hear your views

27:32and we'd also like to hear you

27:33yours

27:34so please do reach out

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