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O Mercosul, a Índia e a UE: As ambições comerciais encontram resistência política no The Ring
No episódio desta semana de "The Ring", os eurodeputados Warborn (PPE) e Mullooly (Renew Europe) participam num debate aceso sobre o acordo UE-Mercosul, na sequência da decisão do Parlamento Europeu de o remeter para o Tribunal de Justiça da União Europeia.
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No episódio desta semana de "The Ring", os eurodeputados Warborn (PPE) e Mullooly (Renew Europe) participam num debate aceso sobre o acordo UE-Mercosul, na sequência da decisão do Parlamento Europeu de o remeter para o Tribunal de Justiça da União Europeia.
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00:00Música
00:05Hello there and
00:10Welcome to The Ring, your news's debating show
00:13Broadcasting from the European...
00:15Parliament here in Brussels
00:16Once a week, two elected members
00:19of the European...
00:20Parliament go face to face on some of the most pressing issues of our time
00:25This week, we zoom in on the hot-button issue of trade
00:29From South America...
00:30To India, the EU has signed not one, but two massive trade
00:35...deals in 2026 alone
00:37European business communities are euphoric
00:40...and farming communities are concerned
00:42Luis Alberto has more
00:45As global trade becomes increasingly entangled with geopolitics
00:49The EU is
00:50The EU is being forced to rethink what its economic openness is for
00:54Growth...
00:55Strategic power
00:56With the United States becoming a less reliable partner
00:59And China...
01:00...and ever more dominant competitor
01:02Trade is no longer just about lowering tariffs
01:04But about...
01:05...securing supply chains...
01:07...influence...
01:08...and autonomy
01:09Negotiations
01:10With India
01:11Renewed momentum on a deal with Mercosur
01:13And outreach to Indo-Pacific...
01:15...partners...
01:16...reflect this shift
01:17Supporters say these trade deals secure your...
01:20...of Europe's place in a fragmented global economy
01:23Critics fear they hurt farmers
01:25...weaken environmental standards
01:27...and erode public trust
01:28...
01:30Can the EU use its standards as leverage
01:32...rather than compromise them for access and influence?
01:35Or will internal divisions reduce it to a large market reacting to decisions
01:40...made elsewhere?
01:41The questions we hope to pose to our contenders...
01:45...let's meet them
01:46Kieran Malouli
01:48An Irish MEP and
01:50...and a member of the Renew Europe Group
01:52He is a Vice Chair of the Special Committee on Housing...
01:55...and a member of the Committee on Regional Development
01:57Before becoming an MEP
01:59...he worked...
02:00...to the journalist for over three decades
02:02He has also been a consistent critic of the EU Mercosur
02:05Trade Agreement
02:06...arguing that in its current form
02:08...it poses significant risks to...
02:10...European farmers, food standards and public health
02:13The Mercosur Trade Deal
02:15...will do nothing of substance for the non-agricultural sector in Europe
02:19He said
02:20Jürgen Warborn
02:23A Swedish MEP
02:24...and a member of the United States
02:25...and a member of the United States
02:25...and a member of the European People's Party Group
02:27He serves on the Committee on International Trade
02:30...where he has played a prominent role in shaping the European Parliament's Trade Policy Agenda
02:35His work focuses on strengthening the EU's competitiveness, expanding international trade
02:40...and supporting open markets
02:42On the Mercosur Deal
02:44He said
02:45We owe citizens facts, not fear
02:48The safeguards in this agreement are...
02:50...or stronger
02:51...than in any previous EU trade deal
02:53Kieran Mululi
02:54...and your...
02:55Jürgen Warborn
02:56...welcome to their ring
02:58The idea here is to give our...
03:00Our viewers a glimpse of what your debates are like inside the hemicycle
03:03So I hope you feel right
03:05...at home
03:06Kieran Mululi
03:07Let's start with you
03:08334 members of the European...
03:10Parliament voted in favour of referring the EU Mercosur Deal to the European Court of...
03:15...justice
03:16You were one of them
03:17Why do you dislike this deal so much?
03:19Well I suppose firstly...
03:20That issue on that vote last week wasn't entirely just on the Mercosur issue
03:23It was on the issue of what were their...
03:25Therefore as a parliament or theirs you know...
03:27To co-legislate and also to be the...
03:30They'd be there to scrutinise trade deals as well
03:32So effectively what we were asking for last week was one...
03:35Something at the moment...
03:36A legal referral
03:37We want our top courts in Europe to look at the issues
03:39Particularly look at that...
03:40Balancing mechanism
03:41It's something new in terms of the parliament over the last 30 years
03:45And as we know the European Court of Justice moves very slowly so we could be looking at perhaps
03:50Two more years before they finish their work...
03:53324...
03:55Members of the European Parliament disagreed with this and they voted against referring the deal to the EU
04:00The European Court of Justice...
04:01Tell you why you like the deal so much?
04:03I think the viewers saw...
04:05That China is now pressing us on one part and the US on...
04:10On the other parts...
04:11From a geopolitical standpoint this is a good deal...
04:14From an economic...
04:15From an economic standpoint this is a good deal...
04:17It is creating more jobs in Europe...
04:19So we need it...
04:20As soon as possible...
04:21And...
04:22You mentioned one of the issues...
04:25That made you want to send it for a legal check...
04:28But that is not really true...
04:30That the rebalancing mechanism...
04:32It's covered for within the agreement...
04:34There is...
04:35There is no issue there...
04:36And there is a potentiality now that the deal could be provisionally...
04:40Implemented...
04:41That's what we need now...
04:42Because...
04:43How would you feel about that if the commission already...
04:45I have a major problem...
04:46I have a major problem...
04:47I have a major problem...
04:48Just to stick with the vote this week...
04:50But the majority of our MEPs in all around Europe...
04:53Have felt that this issue needs to be...
04:55Referred...
04:56It needs to be looked at in depth...
04:57Remember...
04:58Right across Europe...
04:59Technology is like a...
05:00France...
05:01And Poland...
05:02127 MEPs in those areas...
05:03Voted yes...
05:04For this...
05:05They represent the biggest industries...
05:07In Germany...
05:08The biggest economy is in favour...
05:09But the French MEPs...
05:10And the...
05:11And the Polish...
05:12To a person...
05:13Representing industries in Bordeaux...
05:14And Paris...
05:15And right across Warsaw...
05:17And yet they said...
05:18We need a legal referral...
05:19I trust that you...
05:20Jürgen...
05:21Do you not trust their...
05:22Judgment that this needs to go back...
05:23And so we need...
05:24No...
05:25It's the...
05:25The other way around...
05:26I mean...
05:27It's in...
05:28For the rebalancing mechanism...
05:29As you mentioned...
05:30One of the most important parts...
05:31From you...
05:32It is actually in the agreement...
05:34So you might not...
05:35They wanted to be reviewed...
05:36But they wanted to be reviewed...
05:37Obviously...
05:38So why did you want to review it...
05:39Members of Parliament...
05:40Why did...
05:40Members of Parliament...
05:41Are asked to come forward...
05:42And to represent...
05:43Their constituents...
05:44The...
05:45Industries...
05:46In France...
05:47And in Poland...
05:48And in Ireland...
05:49Said...
05:50We don't...
05:51We want to see...
05:52A proper legal...
05:53So...
05:54Rebalancing mechanism...
05:55Out there...
05:56Have you read that article?
05:57I guess you didn't...
05:58No I haven't...
05:59But I've looked at the...
05:59That's why you voted...
06:00The way you did...
06:01I've looked at the precedence...
06:02That's sort of been suggested as precedence...
06:03In the precedence cases...
06:04There were previous trade agreements...
06:05With the European Union...
06:06There's no previous trade agreement...
06:07With regard to the American stock countries...
06:09And in those circumstances...
06:10It's in order that we do this...
06:11We haven't used it before...
06:12I agree with that...
06:13But it's also...
06:14Within all the W2 rules...
06:16And since it's...
06:17In the agreement...
06:18Which you...
06:19Obviously haven't read...
06:21You still voted...
06:22To send it for legal checks...
06:23Because...
06:24Because I represent my country...
06:25And the industry in my country...
06:26The same way as the French...
06:27In Bordeaux...
06:28In Paris...
06:29And Warsaw say...
06:30We want a legal...
06:31Review of this agreement...
06:32What are you afraid of Jürgen?
06:33Are you afraid of...
06:34Come back...
06:34That it will not come back at all?
06:36No, no...
06:37What are you afraid of?
06:38What are your fears?
06:39I'm afraid...
06:39Of losing...
06:40Economic development...
06:42I'm through the...
06:44Afraid of losing...
06:45Jobs in Europe...
06:46I'm afraid of...
06:47The small business...
06:48Owners...
06:49Eu tenho medo de todo esse crescimento que a Europa precisa nesse momento.
06:54Eu tenho medo de todo esse crescimento.
06:56É o nível de crescimento.
06:57É o nível de crescimento.
06:58É o nível de crescimento.
06:59Eu estou feliz de todo o tema de todo o tema do Estado.
07:01Eu estava chorando ontem ontem.
07:03Por quê?
07:04Porque da escala.
07:05Estamos falando de um país com 1.5 bilhões de pessoas.
07:09Estamos falando de 300 milhões de pessoas.
07:11Estamos falando de um país com limitadas oportunidades.
07:14Estamos falando de um país com 1.5 bilhões de pessoas.
07:19Você está com medo de não voltar.
07:20A escala não está lá, Jorgen.
07:21Eu não estou muito preocupado.
07:23A escala não está lá.
07:24É definitivamente lá.
07:25É 270 milhões de consumidores.
07:28A escala não está lá, Jorgen.
07:30Não, mas eu gostaria de ter ambos.
07:31Eu gostaria de ter ambos.
07:33Nós temos os EUA que nos pressa com tarotas.
07:35Nós temos a China que nos pressa com subsídios.
07:37E você escolheu um acordo.
07:40Eu escolho dois.
07:41E você diz...
07:42Bem, não é o crescimento suficiente, mas ainda é o crescimento.
07:44E, Ciarán, você não está preocupado com a relevância da Europa?
07:47E, Ciarán, você tem que ser relevante.
07:50Nós temos que fazer trade deals.
07:51E, Ciarán, você tem que fazer trade where countries may.
07:55Eu quero trade with countries that are not...
07:56Cutting down the rainforest.
07:58Eu quero trade with countries that do not have a major issue...
08:01...regard to food quality and food safety.
08:03But did you not read the fine print of the safeguards?
08:05Don't talk to me.
08:06...about safeguards.
08:07We really discussed safeguards with regard to the...
08:09Let's talk about the safeguards.
08:10...in a Europa...
08:11Keep in context, let's look at the safeguards.
08:13We've had tremendous agreements in this House going over the last number of years.
08:16Do you remember...
08:16Where were the EU-Israel trade agreements?
08:18We had a marvellous safeguarding article too, which said if any of the parties...
08:21...were particularly guilty in terms of breach of human rights, there was going to be a...
08:26I wonder, has Israel actually breached article?
08:28Do most people in the UN think they have?
08:30Have you seen the...
08:31Have we suspended the agreement, Jürgen?
08:33Why haven't we suspended...
08:34That was a safeguard.
08:35It was never...
08:36Implement it.
08:37What happened to that?
08:37Are you mindful of these concerns?
08:39It's the strongest safeguard...
08:41In any trade agreements, okay?
08:44It's not been stronger...
08:46It doesn't work.
08:47It doesn't work.
08:47Any.
08:47Yeah.
08:48Okay?
08:48So, the...
08:51There is a 5% if the price increases by more than 5%...
08:56And the volume increases by more than 5%, farmers are protected.
09:01And that's not only the protection for farmers, it's also the tariff rate quota...
09:06So, you have three...
09:07When will it be protected next year, this year, following year?
09:10Well, that's...
09:11That's also the thing.
09:12This is unprecedented when it comes to the...
09:16Safeguards, how fast they will kick in.
09:18So, nobody knows.
09:19It's the answer.
09:2025, 21...
09:21It's also in the...
09:23It's unprecedented in the...
09:24Unlimited import quotas on sensitive products...
09:26It's 21...
09:26It does not satisfy you.
09:28And Ursula von der Leyen, she sat down, she met with the farmers...
09:31On the sidelines of that EU summit that took place before Christmas.
09:34Was that not enough?
09:35Maeve, when I count for this...
09:36I met Ursula von der Leyen and I raised this issue on day one.
09:40And in that meeting...
09:41In Parliament, in Strasbourg, she said to me...
09:43But, Ciarán, we are working with the farmers in Brazil...
09:46Things are going to be different.
09:48They are already improving the situation.
09:50And yes...
09:51In my country, Member State, in the last six months, we've seen Brazilian meat come in with...
09:56Legal growth promoters involved with carcinogenic products and not just come in...
10:01And go straight into the food chain and be consumed.
10:04She told me this was not going to happen again.
10:06It did.
10:06How can we trust...
10:07And this, of course, has been a massive scandal and covered a lot in the last couple of weeks in our...
10:11These are the genuine concerns that communities in Ireland and France and Greece, in fact, have been farmers...
10:16...out protesting.
10:17So how do you address those concerns and viewers here today who are concerned?
10:20You know, I think...
10:21I think that is a valid argument, actually.
10:24One of your first valid arguments...
10:26Which is also why the Commission has acted on this.
10:30And...
10:31The standards, they are there, no matter the Mercosur Trade Agreement or not.
10:36They will be there.
10:37It will not change with the agreement.
10:39We will still have our standards.
10:41They will still...
10:41Imports of products from the Mercosur countries, but we will lose out...
10:46On the opportunities.
10:47How do we then make sure that consumers, animals...
10:51...welfare and plant protection is there.
10:55We do checks.
10:56More checks.
10:56E, claro, esses produtos...
10:58E dinheiro, eu sei, 6.3...
11:00Hang on, hang on.
11:01...and there's 6.3 billion euros earmarked as well
11:04for farmers in the next budget.
11:05And climate control.
11:06...and all sorts of other issues...
11:08We all have to read the fine print, of course...
11:10Could I just say...
11:11No, let me stop you there
11:12because actually we're just getting warmed up here
11:14and it's time to take the gloves off.
11:16So now you both have the opportunity to...
11:21kick off with your own questions.
11:23So I will stay quiet for a minute.
11:24Kiran, you go ahead, please, with your first question.
11:26Yeah, I mean, I want to ask Jurgen up straight
11:28if he knows what antimicrobial resistance is.
11:31in terms of medical situation.
11:33It's basically a medical condition which occurs...
11:36after the overuse of antibiotics.
11:38It's something that affects you and me.
11:40Forget about the animals for the moment.
11:41It's you and me, your kids, your family
11:43and if in an emergency situation you're going to...
11:46hospital, you require antibiotics.
11:48If you've been exposed to more antibiotics than you knew...
11:51in the course of your life, you're in big trouble.
11:53Brazilian media is coming in the end of the day.
11:55We know antibiotics are in it.
11:56We've seen it in my country.
11:58We've had an expose with regard to right across Brazil.
12:01It's still...
12:01So the question is very straightforward.
12:03The question is very straightforward at the end of the day.
12:05What price?
12:06do you put on the safety of your family?
12:09So the meat is coming in.
12:11No matter...
12:11And what happens if we have the Mercosur agreement?
12:16is that we increase the checks.
12:19In fact, we will do 50...
12:21We will do 30% more checks in the Mercosur countries.
12:25We will do 33% more checks in the Mercosur countries.
12:26We will do 33% more checks at the border, at the European borders.
12:31And there will be a task force to improve the border efficiency.
12:35So...
12:36Actually, for health, for people, and for animal, and for...
12:41for the plants, there will be more checks with the Mercosur agreement...
12:45You can guarantee this.
12:46...without the...
12:46Because on the 25th of September last year, they came into our...
12:51I've asked the Commission since that, about the checks, where the meat came from...
12:56It went to...
12:57The Commission doesn't know.
12:58They still don't know.
12:59Five months later...
13:00So you're not reassured by what you're...
13:01Five months, well, that's a fact.
13:03We can ask, you can ask anybody in the Parliament next week, when we ask the Commissioner...
13:06Where did it come from?
13:07Where did it go?
13:08The checks.
13:08But are your voters not excited about cheaper steaks?
13:11Fortune.
13:11Basically, the EU, one of the fantastic things about the EU is the focus on quality and...
13:16of health over the years.
13:17Our Irish consumer, largely, our Irish consumer, wants to see the continuation of proper...
13:21quality and safe food.
13:22Quality over quality.
13:23That's the big issue for me.
13:23Safe food and your family and my family, we can be sure...
13:26Your opportunity now to pose your first question, please, to Ciarán Malouly.
13:30We have US and China.
13:31Pressing us from two parts.
13:33It's been very, very hard with US lately and we...
13:36We need more trade agreements.
13:38India, it's very good that you are pro...
13:41to the Indian one and we have several others.
13:44The Chile one, I guess you voted for...
13:46as well.
13:47Why do you choose not to have the growth but...
13:51comes with the Mercosur agreement.
13:53You say it's too small, but it's still growth.
13:55It's still...
13:56small jobs, uh...
13:58for European businesses.
14:00It supports...
14:01pequenas e pequenas e pequenas empresas, precisamos de crescimento na Europa, então por que você não pode
14:06ajudar a proporcionar esse crescimento?
14:09É uma pergunta fair, a situação geopolítica...
14:11A situação de crescimento foi um dos grandes problemas de crescimento quando eu me vim em parliamento.
14:15Cada semana há uma agenda diferente.
14:16usually driven by the United States or otherwise
14:18but the point is, you're right, we need to do
14:20more trade
14:21but for me as an MAP, I have to balance
14:23on one side, the better good of the EU
14:26and on the other side, the better good of the economy of the EU
14:29and when the people of France and the people of Poland
14:31the people of Austria, Ireland and even Belgium
14:33on this have come in and said
14:35at the end of the day, we're more
14:36to lose in a deal of this size
14:39because it's so small
14:40that's what they're saying to me
14:41I don't know if the French economy should be a good example
14:43Well, nevertheless, the French are united on this
14:46we've seen it in the Parliament
14:47I mean, 127 MAPs can be wrong
14:49can they all be wrong, Jürgen?
14:50Yes
14:50Can they all be wrong?
14:51I'm afraid that's a bit of a statement about you and democracy
14:54because at the end of the day
14:55they're representing...
14:56left, right and middle
14:57Kieran Mullooly, you've a chance for another question there
14:59Are you in favour of a...
15:01deal which at the end of the day
15:02continues to leave workers in Brazil
15:05on an average monthly
15:06salary of just €1,000
15:08it's doing nothing for trade
15:09how could you support that?
15:11something for employees and workers in Brazil
15:13Now, you're right on, sir
15:14So...
15:15if we vote...
15:16down the Mercosur trade agreement
15:18how will it help the voter...
15:20the work...
15:21the workers in...
15:23in...
15:25in Europe?
15:26in Ireland
15:27it will be the opposite
15:28and we spoke about it
15:30it's about growth
15:31Europe is facing a huge growth problem
15:34and it's good that the Commission...
15:36is now pushing to change this position
15:40we have the Draugr report
15:41we need to do...
15:41a lot of things
15:42the rest of the world
15:43is growing faster than Europe
15:46and that's why we need to tap into that growth
15:49and we do that with the...
15:51trade agreements
15:52but you decide that you do not want to tap into that growth
15:55to 200 and...
15:5670 million consumers
15:58Now, I look at the facts...
15:59that can sell the cars
16:00I look at the facts though
16:01the farmers...
16:01pharmaceuticals
16:02I also look at the facts...
16:03But the trade unions tell us that...
16:04and actually I misquoted...
16:05500...
16:06per month
16:07is the average one
16:08at the top 10%
16:09are on 1200 euros
16:10That's today
16:11That has been the way for some time
16:13and you know that
16:14So...
16:15with an agreement...
16:16Another point that complicates this matter as well
16:18just to complicate it even further for you
16:19you want to sell...
16:21you want to sell cars into this community
16:23how many of these workers are going to be able to afford a Volvo car?
16:26At that wage?
16:27At that salary?
16:28Never
16:29Allow Mr. Warman to answer
16:30No...
16:31much more...
16:32of the workers will afford it
16:34if we have the Mercosur agreement
16:36there's not a chance
16:37Because economic development will increase with the agreement
16:40that's what trade unions...
16:41actually the European export will grow by 39%
16:46that's a huge possibility
16:48for cars
16:50for car parts
16:51for machinery...
16:52for pharmaceutical products
16:54and for farmers
16:55and...
16:56And that's why the industry have called it the big trophy
16:58that they took home from Paraguay
16:59and you mentioned Mario Draghi
17:01he has been invited to the EU leaders retreat in February
17:04and that just describes how bad really...
17:06our economy is...
17:07right now...
17:08What Kiran is doing
17:09is saying...
17:10saying no to growth
17:11and I'm...
17:11saying yes to growth
17:12I'm saying balance
17:13I'm saying balance it out
17:14Well I'm curious to hear what our viewers think
17:15do right to...
17:16talk to us at the ring at yournews.com
17:18to tell us our view
17:19but now I would like to bring in another voice
17:21because regulars here on Euronews will have noticed
17:23that Ursula von der Leyen was in New Delhi earlier
17:26this week
17:27and the red carpet was rolled out for her
17:29we can take a listen to what she had to see
17:31during the EU-India Historic Summit
17:36we did it
17:38we delivered the mother of all
17:41deals
17:42and this is the tale of two giants
17:44the world's second
17:46and fourth largest economies
17:48two giants who choose partnerships
17:51in a true win-win fashion
17:54a strong message
17:56that cooperation is the best answer
17:58to global challenges
18:00Ursula von der Leyen
18:01and they're also charming
18:02the Indian communities there
18:04with her traditional dress
18:06this is not so controversial
18:07as the Mercosur
18:08why do you really like the EU-India deal?
18:11it's a huge deal
18:13it's a huge deal
18:14it's a huge deal
18:16it's a fantastic market
18:17for European products
18:19it's 1.4 billion
18:21consumers there
18:22and in a time where
18:24once again
18:25when we are pressed
18:26by US and China
18:27we need more partners
18:29and that's why
18:30this agreement
18:31the Indian chicken
18:32beef sugar
18:33are protected here
18:34so nobody wants a food fight
18:35which is part of the deal
18:36which is why
18:37which is why it's a good deal
18:38you know what?
18:39I think the EU negotiators
18:40have learned from Mercosur
18:41having waited for 20 years
18:43and we've seen it
18:44little or no beef
18:45involved in this deal at all
18:46so that's why your voters
18:47will love it
18:48because there's no beef here
18:49it's a key indigenous industry
18:50right
18:51across Europe
18:52so at the end of the day
18:53Europe must protect its markets as well
18:54so the balance was needed
18:55and she's
18:56we're quite happy with this
18:57but Irish whiskey will sell into India
18:59in better volumes than ever before
19:00Yes
19:01we'll be pleased about it
19:02but we're also glad to see it going the other way
19:04we think it's good for Europe
19:05because of this
19:06scale
19:07that's the key issue
19:08balance
19:09what Europe has
19:10and the scale of what's possible
19:11okay
19:11So now the workforce is
19:13they can afford to buy a Volvo you mean
19:15in India
19:16and the Irish can afford to buy another car
19:19in Ireland with the whiskey sales increase
19:21it's a win-win
19:22it's a win-win
19:23which will happen in Mercosur as well
19:24well
19:25not because of the scale you're
19:26I'm quite genuine about that
19:27it doesn't have the scale
19:28that's a
19:29if you look see in Ireland's at the moment
19:30we've got
19:31half
19:31half a billion sales already into India
19:33in terms of whiskey
19:34already
19:35before we start
19:36whereas the
19:36markets or exports
19:37are tiny
19:38from an Irish perspective
19:39270 million consumers
19:40I think
19:41the view
19:41viewers can assess that
19:431.5
19:441.4 billion
19:45we will continue discussing it
19:46one minute
19:47but just
19:48we must take a short break here on The Ring
19:49but stay with us
19:50because we'll be back very soon
19:51with some more political punch from the parliament
19:56we'll be right back
19:57we'll be right back
19:59we'll be right back
20:01welcome back to The Ring
20:04your news is weekly debating
20:06show here broadcasting from the parliament in Brussels
20:09I'm joined by MEP's Ciaran
20:11Mululi
20:12and Jorgen Warborn
20:13and the idea here is to bring the parliament debates to your sofa
20:16so what about you?
20:17well according to a recent Eurobarometer
20:20what do your
20:21the Europeans think of the EU trade policy
20:23well 77% support the EU's company
20:26and trade policy
20:2783% say that the EU should strengthen its economic
20:31independence and diversify its trade relations
20:34but at least
20:3675% of citizens agree
20:38that agricultural imports should only
20:41ever enter the European Union
20:43if they comply with the EU's environmental
20:46animal welfare
20:47and labour standards
20:48are you surprised there?
20:49no
20:50not a bit
20:51I'm pro trade
20:52and I'm the person who says
20:53we've got to make these deals
20:54and make sure they're the right deal
20:56but the key one is the last stat
20:58the 75%
20:59at the end of the day
21:00people want to have safe food
21:01and if the safeguards are to mean anything
21:03then they've got to come back
21:04in front of parliament
21:05we start looking at them again
21:06we've got to find out
21:07where did the meat come from
21:08last September in Ireland
21:09nobody knows
21:10it's still a mystery
21:11we can't go forward
21:12until we have clear safeguards on these issues
21:14your reaction there?
21:16compared to that data?
21:17I'm not surprised at all
21:18well if I am surprised
21:19it's rather that
21:21the last number isn't higher
21:23because of course
21:24we're all concerned with food
21:26for safety
21:27and my point is that
21:29with the Mercosur agreement
21:31food safety will actually increase
21:32we will have more checks
21:3450% more checks
21:35in the Mercosur agreement
21:36countries
21:3733% more checks
21:38at our border
21:39a task force
21:40of increasing
21:41efficiently
21:42efficiently
21:43so
21:44I guess that means
21:45that we will find
21:46the meat
21:47or other products
21:48that are
21:49that are not good
21:50for us
21:51that's the purpose
21:52So why is the
21:53EU Mercosur deal
21:54so toxic then?
21:55Is there a communications issue here?
21:56Yeah
21:56communicating this deal
21:57and the benefits perhaps
21:58I think so
21:59and I also admit
22:00that there are
22:01sensitive products
22:03for the agriculture sector
22:04as a whole
22:05it's huge
22:06potential
22:07for dairy
22:08for wine
22:09for a lot
22:10of different products
22:11but for some products
22:12they are sensitive
22:13it's beef
22:14it's poultry
22:15it's sugar
22:16it's a
22:16a few others
22:17but here the commission
22:18has really been clever
22:19in negotiating
22:20it
22:21it's terrible
22:21if rate quotas
22:22meaning
22:23the volumes are
22:24are small
22:25relatively small
22:26one
22:260.5% maximum
22:27in consumption
22:29of the European consumption
22:30for beef
22:31one steak
22:32per year
22:33on opt-in day
22:34one steak
22:35and then it grows
22:36and then it grows
22:36no it doesn't
22:37it's in the agreement
22:38so it's one steak
22:39over a period of decades
22:40and then
22:41with a quotas
22:42then you have
22:43the safeguards
22:44meaning that prices
22:45cannot decrease too much
22:46then tariffs kick in
22:48and there is also
22:49an insurance policy
22:50in terms of
22:51money
22:52I think the good news
22:53on the vote last week
22:54is that Europe is changing
22:55its mind about the entire
22:56America's ordeal now
22:56we've we've seen
22:57who is
22:58I was told
22:59who in Europe
23:00I haven't seen
23:01commission president
23:02change your mind
23:03I think so
23:01to be very clear about it
23:02these statistics
23:03there's something else
23:04to be very clear about it
23:05when we vote
23:06Just who has changed their mind
23:07I'm really curious
23:08Can I answer the question?
23:09Last year when we had a vote
23:10we had 10, 11
23:11social democrats
23:12who abstained
23:13this week they voted
23:14in favour of the legal agreement
23:15I believe they'll
23:16to vote
23:17to knock down
23:18that's who's changed their mind
23:19that's why we won this week
23:20by the way
23:21it wasn't so
23:22the left put the motion for it
23:23the right were involved
23:24but at the end of the day
23:25it was social democrats
23:26from
23:26Romania and
23:27Hungary
23:28that changed their mind
23:29in this situation
23:30and that's happening
23:31right across
23:31the border with regard to
23:32Mercosur
23:33because of the safety issues
23:34but at the end of the day
23:35it's about food quality
23:36It's about politics too
23:37You asked the question
23:38what did the commission do wrong?
23:39The commission failed to recognise
23:40the cultural problem
23:41in Brazil
23:42This is an examination
23:43that went over 3,000 kilometres
23:45over
23:4614
23:47You disagree, sir
23:48It's right across the border
23:49You can't change that overnight
23:50You can't
23:51Iran is putting forward
23:52great arguments
23:53for provisional application
23:56actually
23:57meaning that
23:58the Mercosur agreement
23:59should now start
24:00to be in force
24:01as soon as possible
24:03because the
24:04because the vote last week
24:06you didn't
24:07you didn't read the agreement
24:09but you still voted
24:10to send it for
24:11legal checks
24:12meaning that
24:13what you are really
24:14against
24:15is the Mercosur agreement
24:16and that's why
24:17it was a
24:18delaying process
24:19from you
24:20and some
24:21of
24:22colleagues
24:23But we cannot afford
24:24to delay the process
24:25we have been negotiating
24:26this for 20 years
24:2625 years
24:27and now we need to put it into force
24:29and I think
24:30if we put it
24:31Not happening
24:32No, no, no
24:33we do more checks
24:34so when we put it into action
24:36then export will grow
24:38jobs will grow
24:39and that
24:40will be very good
24:41for you
24:42that won't grow
24:43that's the trees in the Amazon
24:44you seem to have forgotten that issue
24:45and I'm sure your Swedish viewers are
24:46doing that as well
24:47we heard
24:48at Christmas
24:49we heard at Christmas
24:50that the biggest soya producers
24:51in
24:51in Brazil
24:52are going back into the rainforest
24:53and that's what you are voting for
24:54that's what you are voting for
24:55that's what you are voting for
24:56No, no
24:56That's a fact
24:57No, no
24:58They have breached an agreement
24:59Once again
25:00They have breached an agreement
25:01we're going back into the rainforest
25:02we're going to see more trees cut than ever before
25:05and you're saying that's not
25:06Yeah
25:06Fine
25:07We're going to go ahead on a provisional
25:08I want to continue quizzing you
25:09We're going to have two years to go ahead
25:10So haven't we
25:11I don't think so
25:11haven't we the EU deforestation
25:13So that's the view from
25:14You didn't read the agreement
25:15That is the view from Kieran Malouly
25:16and Jorgen Varburn
25:17Now it is time though
25:18to move on to our fifth and final
25:21Reigns
25:22Are you ready?
25:26So I'm going to ask our MEPs a set of questions
25:29and you only can answer with a yes or no
25:31Is that doable?
25:33Debatable
25:34Debatable
25:35Not easy at all
25:36Is Ursula von der Leyen a good leader?
25:38Kieran
25:39No
25:40Yes
25:41Do you like the
25:41Brussels trades on behalf of the 27?
25:43Kieran
25:44Yes in key areas
25:45Yes
25:46Is globalisation a good thing Jorgen?
25:49Yes
25:50Yes
25:51Yes in control and regulated
25:53Kieran
25:54Is the EU relevant on the world stage now?
25:562026
25:57Yes is the answer and I'm a big believer in that
25:58But we have to be even more relevant
26:00and not reacting to
26:01To the US and other parties
26:02Other world powers
26:03Yes
26:04Yes
26:05And with the Mercosur agreement even more so
26:06Was it a mistake to sign the EU-US trade deal back in Scotland?
26:11No
26:12Yes
26:13Yes because we were bullied on that Sunday in July
26:16We were our president of the commission was bullied into submission
26:19Not the circumstance
26:20Could I maybe call it
26:21Sir?
26:21Should that deal be ratified yes or no?
26:22I think it should stay suspended until we clarify exactly
26:26what's going on in the United States
26:27We need that deal
26:28We need it concrete
26:29And we thought we had it
26:30Struggling there with the
26:31Yes or no
26:32Mr. Mululi
26:33We need more predictability
26:34I say more
26:35We cannot create a lot of
26:36We cannot create absolutely stable situation for businesses
26:39At the moment
26:40So should the deal be ratified?
26:41It should because it creates more predictability than today
26:44Final question Mr. Mululi
26:45Did you agree with any
26:46Anything that Jorgen Warbon said today?
26:48Oh I certainly did
26:49The overall trade deal
26:50Jorgen Warbon said
26:51Is right
26:52We need to do the big deals
26:53That's why I'm happy with India
26:54But it all comes down at the end of the day
26:56From me to a personal choice
26:58Jorgen would you be happy with your family eating Brazilian meat tomorrow?
27:01Yes
27:02Yes
27:03Absolutely
27:04I do eat Brazilian meat
27:05And
27:06I
27:06Even though
27:07You have no idea where it came from?
27:08I have no problems with that
27:09And just a final point with you
27:10Did you agree with anything
27:11Kira?
27:11Yes
27:12Yes
27:13I think it is very good that Kira is supportive of the
27:16Indian
27:17Degree
27:18The agreement with India
27:19We need that
27:20We need more trade
27:21Agreements in general
27:22What a lively debate
27:23I think we've given our viewers a real glimpse of what it's like inside
27:26The heated hemicycle
27:27Thank you so much Jorgen Warbon and Kieran Malooly for being our guests
27:30It was great
27:31Great to hear your views
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