00:00Générique
00:05Générique
00:10First, after a weekend of time
00:15in the U.S. state of Minnesota,
00:16today a judge is considering
00:18whether to pause the...
00:20...the deployment of thousands of ICE agents in the state.
00:23These sweeping and aggressive...
00:25...immigration crackdown since the 1st of December last year
00:27has led to the fatal killing...
00:30...of two people by government officials.
00:33Most recently, Alex Pretty...
00:35...on Saturday...
00:36...who was shot several times after being forced to the ground.
00:40His killing then has only added to those tensions...
00:43...in the city of Minneapolis.
00:45...with local residents taking to the streets...
00:47...to protest the presence of ICE.
00:50Let's bring in Philip Terl now, our international...
00:55affairs editors to talk a little bit about those scenes...
00:57...in Minnesota and in Minneapolis in particular.
01:00...Philip, and something that's been striking...
01:05...since the killing of Alex Pretty over the...
01:10...weekend is the number of American...
01:15...former presidents who have now begun...
01:18...to speak out, specifically Barack Obama.
01:20Yes, and this is something that is quite unusual in...
01:25...the normal times in the United States...
01:27...outside of the situation we're seeing at the moment where...
01:30...when you are president, once you leave office...
01:32...you remain silent or you have your own...
01:35...life with your own affairs, but you don't intervene in politics...
01:38...to let your successor...
01:40...do what they have to do.
01:42This time around we have not just one, but two former presidents.
01:45Bill Clinton and Barack Obama who have spoken out against the events...
01:48...in Minnesota.
01:50...in Minnesota over the past couple of weeks.
01:52The two killings there, one of René Goode and then...
01:55...yesterday, this killing of Alex Pretty, the...
01:58...nurse who is aged...
02:00...and Barack Obama describing horrible scenes which...
02:05...he said he never thought would take place in the United States.
02:08Bill Clinton saying it was...
02:10...all unacceptable and that Americans would stand up for their values...
02:14...and speak out because...
02:15...if we give freedoms away that have been earned over 250 years...
02:19...we may never...
02:20...and get them back.
02:21So, stirring cries, I think because basically...
02:23...Donald Trump...
02:25...since he first took office a year ago has...
02:28...consistently...
02:30...talked about Joe Biden and been very rude about Joe Biden...
02:34...blaming Joe Biden for...
02:35...for all the woes in the United States.
02:37If it isn't Joe Biden, he was also critical of Barack Obama.
02:40...and also be very critical about the Democrats.
02:42I think this has irritated...
02:43...these two former presidents to such a state...
02:45...that they feel now that they have got nothing more to do...
02:48...but to stand up and to voice their...
02:50...support for the protesters there...
02:53...and for the American people to say, look...
02:55...if you don't deal with this now...
02:57...things could get even worse in the future.
02:59And look, obviously...
03:00...clinton and Obama, both Democratic presidents.
03:03What, though, about Republicans...
03:05...because most Republicans, despite the increasing authoritarianism...
03:10...under this Donald Trump administration...
03:12...have not spoken out against the U.S. president?
03:14Well, it's beginning...
03:15...and I think Donald Trump is being pushed into a corner...
03:18...we've seen Donald Trump himself...
03:20...with the Wall Street Journal...
03:21...giving way to two issues...
03:24...saying, first...
03:25...of all, that we are reviewing everything...
03:27...which is something that he wouldn't have said before...
03:28...he's been giving a hundred...
03:30...percent support to the members of ICE...
03:33...saying that they were doing a tremendous job...
03:35...and asked about what was going on in Minnesota.
03:38That's the first point.
03:40And the second point is that there are Republicans...
03:42...who are beginning to show dissatisfaction...
03:45...and basically they are pretty appalled...
03:48...by what has been going on over the last...
03:50...a few weeks with all these interventions by ICE...
03:53...and they're now calling for a...
03:55...proper investigation into the killing of Alex Priti.
03:58We've seen all these images...
04:00...of this shooting taking place...
04:02...there are certainly two completely conflicting...
04:05...reports of what happened, first of all...
04:07...from the Trump administration...
04:10...Kirstie Noem, the Secretary of the Department...
04:15...of Homeland Fair saying that this was...
04:18...someone who was opening fire...
04:20...about these officers who was trying to create trouble...
04:23...and was a menace and that's...
04:25...why they were protecting themselves...
04:26...but when you look at the video of what happened...
04:29...it's pretty obvious he...
04:30...he was just holding a mobile phone...
04:31...he didn't have a gun in his hands...
04:32...although he did have a gun on him...
04:33...that was taken away by...
04:35...these ICE officers...
04:37...and that he was shot in cold blood...
04:39...so what they're calling...
04:40...for these Republicans...
04:41...is a proper inquiry into all of this...
04:42...this has been taken out of the hands...
04:44...of the FBI...
04:45...and given to Homeland Security...
04:47...and I think many people in the United States...
04:49...will be...
04:50...are worried about the way this is going on...
04:52...and as this is happening...
04:53...there are two federal court...
04:55...hearings taking place today in the US...
04:57...the first one...
04:58...is a judge who's hearing arguments...
04:59...on whether...
05:00...to temporarily halt...
05:01...the immigration crackdown in Minnesota...
05:03...and the other one...
05:05...there is a separate hearing...
05:06...which will be held...
05:07...after a judge...
05:08...issued a temporary restraining order...
05:10...which blocks federal agents...
05:11...from destroying or altering evidence...
05:13...related to the shooting...
05:15...of Alex Pretty...
05:16...it's come to such an extent now...
05:18...that people are so worried...
05:20...that the administration will try to cover up...
05:22...destroy the evidence...
05:23...so that the truth will never be known.
05:24All right...
05:25Philip Tell...
05:26...thank you very much...
05:27...indeed...
05:28...and let's bring in...
05:29...now Kenny...
05:30...Bergos...
05:31...he's a Democrat...
05:32...he used to work...
05:33...for the New York State Assembly...
05:35...he joined...
05:35...he joins us live now then...
05:36...from New York...
05:38...hello to you...
05:39...and thanks for speaking to us.
05:40...on France 24.
05:41Hi.
05:42Hi.
05:43Thanks for having me.
05:44Look...
05:45...I want to ask you first of all...
05:46...just tell us...
05:47...look...
05:48...what went through your head...
05:50...when you saw that footage...
05:52...of the moments before Alex Preti...
05:55...was killed...
05:56...on Saturday...
05:57...and then you heard...
05:58...you know...
05:59...really not long afterwards...
06:00...don...
06:00...Donald Trump officials...
06:01...saying...
06:02...and that he had threatened...
06:03...to massacre officers...
06:05...what was going through your head...
06:06...when you heard that?
06:07Yeah...
06:08...I saw the video...
06:09...pretty...
06:10...very early morning...
06:11...on Saturday...
06:12...on Saturday...
06:13...excuse me...
06:14...and after I saw the video...
06:15...it was...
06:15...it was clear to me...
06:16...this is a watershed moment...
06:17...for American politics...
06:18...it was just clear...
06:19...from even that first video...
06:20...that came...
06:20...that this was an issue...
06:22...that Donald Trump...
06:23...was going to have on his hand...
06:24...and ICE would have on their hand...
06:25...and the American...
06:26...the American people...
06:27...would respond to swiftly...
06:28...and then to see...
06:29...Donald Trump...
06:30...and...
06:30...in Homeland Security...
06:31...reacts so quickly...
06:32...with commentary...
06:33...stating this man...
06:34...was trying to massacre ICE agents...
06:35...using really charged language...
06:37...like assassinate...
06:38...and then to see...
06:39...more and more footage...
06:40...to effectively show...
06:41...that this is an individual...
06:42...who was holding a phone...
06:43...trying to protect a woman...
06:44...who was being shoved by...
06:45...an ICE agent...
06:46...and was killed in cold blood...
06:47...I knew this was a pivotal moment...
06:48...in American politics...
06:49...and we're seeing it...
06:50...where they are right now...
06:51All right...
06:52...pivotal moment...
06:53...you say you talk about...
06:54...a watershed...
06:55...there are the...
06:55...so...
06:56...not that many Republicans...
06:57...as we were hearing...
06:58...who've spoken out...
06:59...against Donald Trump...
07:00...on this...
07:00...there are though...
07:01...a few...
07:02...who've begun to call...
07:03...for an investigation...
07:05...I...
07:05...are you surprised...
07:06...that more Republicans...
07:07...have not spoken out yet?
07:08...
07:10...I'm a bit surprised...
07:11...and only because...
07:12...anecdotally...
07:13...I've had many conversations...
07:14...with individuals...
07:15...both in my...
07:15...immediate circle...
07:16...friends and family...
07:17...who I consider...
07:18...across the...
07:19...you know...
07:20...American...
07:20...on the physical spectrum...
07:21...and we've discussed...
07:22...many past issues before...
07:23...and this...
07:24...is one of those moments...
07:25...where...
07:25...I've seen...
07:26...a near consensus...
07:27...on what has happened here...
07:28...and so I think...
07:29...this is a moment where...
07:30...Donald Trump...
07:31...and the Republicans...
07:32...are risking breaking...
07:33...with the American people...
07:34...and that includes...
07:35...members of their own...
07:35...party...
07:36...and they have to...
07:37...really analyze...
07:38...what's happening here...
07:39...the American people...
07:40...are frustrated...
07:40...with this...
07:41...across party lines...
07:42...I mean...
07:43...this is very apparent...
07:44...what's happening...
07:45...we've seen multiple angles...
07:45...and what happened to...
07:46...Alex Preti...
07:47...and more and more footage...
07:48...and more investigations...
07:49...only at the...
07:50...going to show...
07:51...that this is a man...
07:52...who was killed...
07:53...in cold blood...
07:54...by...
07:55...an American ISIS...
07:55...what about...
07:57...your own party...
07:58...what about...
07:59...the Democrats...
08:00...what about...
08:00...there have been a number...
08:01...of very vocal figures...
08:02...like...
08:03...like AOC...
08:04...Alexandria Ocasio...
08:05...Cortez...
08:06...who've...
08:07...been very explicit...
08:08...in calling out...
08:09...the ICE agents here...
08:10...there are though...
08:11...some people though...
08:12...on the left...
08:13...of American politics...
08:14...who say actually...
08:15...more...
08:15...quote-unquote...
08:16...mainstream...
08:17...Democrats...
08:18...have not done...
08:19...a good enough job...
08:20...but...
08:21...criticising...
08:22...this White House...
08:23...and it's growing...
08:24...authoritarianism...
08:25...particularly...
08:26...as exemplified...
08:27...by these ICE agents...
08:28...in Minnesota...
08:29...do you agree with that...
08:30...do you think...
08:30...mainstream...
08:31...democrats...
08:32...aren't pushing...
08:33...the White House...
08:34...hard enough here?
08:35...we've seen Democrats...
08:38...you know...
08:39...stand up against ICE...
08:40...pretty much...
08:40...since Donald Trump's...
08:41...first term...
08:42...and I think that...
08:43...course has grown...
08:44...increasingly...
08:45...especially into...
08:45...the second term...
08:46...I wouldn't say...
08:47...that this has only been...
08:48...sort of the left wing...
08:49...of Democratic Party...
08:50...we've seen mainstream...
08:51...democrats...
08:52...from state lawmakers...
08:54...up to congressional...
08:55...lawmakers...
08:56...really push back...
08:57...on the...
08:57...the tactics...
08:58...that ICE is using...
08:59...throughout the nation...
09:00...we're seeing now...
09:01...threats to ICE funding...
09:02...I mean people...
09:02...have called for...
09:03...disbandment of ICE...
09:04...pretty much...
09:05...again since...
09:06...Trump's first term...
09:07...you know...
09:07...I think there's always...
09:08...need critics and folks...
09:09...who can say...
09:10...Democrats can...
09:11...and should do more...
09:12...and it's proven...
09:13...very difficult...
09:12...when Democrats...
09:13...are not in power...
09:14...in all houses...
09:15...of the federal government...
09:16...and we're now...
09:17...testing...
09:17...what ability...
09:18...state lawmakers...
09:19...state governors...
09:20...and really just...
09:21...state law has...
09:22...against federal...
09:23...immigration tactics...
09:24...we're really...
09:25...in uncharted territory...
09:26...right now...
09:27...so I think...
09:27...it's imperative that...
09:28...democratic lawmakers...
09:29...do more at all levels...
09:30...of government...
09:31...but the reality is...
09:32...that there's no...
09:32...a playbook for this...
09:33...we have to...
09:34...you know...
09:35...continue to mount...
09:36...the pressure from...
09:37...both a...
09:37...citizen standpoint...
09:38...and certain from...
09:39...a lawmaker standpoint...
09:40...but right now...
09:41...we are all...
09:42...just...
09:42...trying to figure this out...
09:43...in real time...
09:44...and how we can push back...
09:45...against these tactics...
09:46...that in my eyes...
09:47...are just completely...
09:48...un-American...
09:49...about New York...
09:50...the...
09:51...the city that...
09:52...you used to work...
09:53...as an assembly...
09:54...person...
09:54...for...
09:55...because of course...
09:56...all the focus...
09:57...has been on Minnesota...
09:58...but we have seen...
09:59...ice raids...
09:59...in other parts...
10:00...of the country...
10:01...I mean...
10:02...there is obviously...
10:03...a significant...
10:04...immigrant community...
10:04...in New York...
10:05...give us a sense of...
10:06...what the atmosphere...
10:07...is like...
10:08...in your city...
10:09...is like...
10:10...this fear...
10:11...I mean...
10:12...you know...
10:13...I used to represent...
10:14...the Southeast Bronx...
10:14...which is...
10:15...really populated...
10:16...with a large...
10:17...amount of undocumented...
10:18...immigrants...
10:19...immigrants...
10:20...that come from Ecuador...
10:19...that come from El Salvador...
10:20...Mexico...
10:21...you name it...
10:22...and you can...
10:23...you saw a noticeable shift...
10:24...when...
10:24...and the ICE...
10:25...immigration raids...
10:26...were really heating up...
10:27...I mean...
10:28...streets are becoming...
10:29...desolate...
10:30...main thorough...
10:29...the US...
10:30...the US...
10:31...fares...
10:32...they used to have...
10:33...tons of street vendors...
10:34...people walking around...
10:35...at shops...
10:36...restaurant...
10:37...coffee...
10:38...shops...
10:39...to...
10:40...to...
10:41...to...
10:42...to...
10:43...to...
10:44...to...
10:45...to...
10:46...to...
10:47...to...
10:48...to...
10:49...is the...
10:50...comming from...
10:51...agin...
10:52...our own American...
10:53...government...
10:54...on its people...
10:55...so...
10:56...this is my...
10:58...as a great conversation...
10:59...not quite...
11:00...a great...
11:02...and...
11:03...up...
11:03...to...
11:05...a great...
11:10...a great...
11:16...a great...
11:17et proteste contre ce qui s'est passé en Minnesota
11:19parce que les Américains sont dit qu'il ne doit pas se passer en Minnesota.
11:22Et ça ne doit pas se passer en toute région dans l'Amérique du monde.
11:27Merci d'avoir regardé cette vidéo, merci d'avoir regardé cette vidéo.
11:32Merci d'avoir regardé cette vidéo !
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