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The Traitors UK Uncloaked Season 4 Episode 12
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00:00Please open the chest, in three, two, one.
00:26Ralph Palme, are you sorry?
00:30Oh, my God!
00:34Jack, I'm in the name of Dave.
00:54Hello and welcome to the Traitor's Uncloaked grand finale.
00:57I'm Ed Gamble and I'm here at the BBC Radio Theatre with an amazing audience made up of Traitors and Faithful.
01:03So, what have we got coming up in this final episode?
01:09Claudia Winkleman can finally spill all on this incredible series of the Traitors.
01:15Chest of Chance victim James and finalist Jade reflect on going to battle at the round table, the ceremonial dagger and surviving suspicion.
01:21Finalists Faraz and Jack talk us through that nail-biting endgame.
01:25And our historic winners Rachel and Stephen will be joining us for their first ever interviews.
01:31Make sure you're sitting comfortably because this is the Traitors Uncloaked grand finale.
01:35We'll be bringing on the players shortly, but before that I'm thrilled to once again introduce the truly incredible Claudia Winkleman!
01:49Welcome.
01:51Thank you so much for having me.
01:53Welcome, Claudia.
01:54I just love seeing everybody look.
01:56No.
01:57Look how smart they look.
01:58Look how gorgeous.
01:59Very gorgeous.
02:00All alive, crucially.
02:01They're all alive.
02:02Yes, vital.
02:03Very nice.
02:04Thank you for joining us again from Uncloaked, Claudia.
02:06An amazing final episode.
02:08What was it like watching it all back?
02:10Emotional, because I was watching with the entire cast, and I believe that none of you knew the outcome.
02:19So it was really thrilling, then everyone standing up at the end.
02:23It's emotional.
02:24I mean, you can see when I do it, I get a bit too in.
02:28You are invested.
02:29I cried before Rachel and Stephen.
02:33It was weird.
02:34A lot of tears at the end there.
02:36Is that very happy to see them win, but also it's that sort of tension that's been built up across the whole game?
02:41Absolutely.
02:42And you really didn't know which way it was going to go.
02:46I mean, just listening to Stephen breathing at that endgame, I was like, oh my goodness.
02:52And so just the relief.
02:54And they were so happy.
02:55And I found their end and their love for each other incredibly moving.
03:01Why do you think they were able to make it to the end together?
03:04What do you think that was special about them?
03:06I think that, I mean, the entire cast, I'm not just saying this because you're sitting opposite me, were utterly magnificent.
03:15And what I loved about Rachel and Stephen, from the very beginning, you can almost watch it back knowing what you know now.
03:23They just looked after each other without being obvious, without going, no, no, no, they're fine.
03:27If something came into play, she was like, all right, I'm just going to do this to look after him.
03:31And he would do the same for her.
03:33And they made that alliance.
03:34And we've never seen that before.
03:35Lots of people make alliances and they last, you know, an episode, five minutes.
03:40But they decided, and not Romeo and Juliet, because that ended badly, but Bonnie and Clyde, I don't know, but they were lovers in the turret.
03:52And they stuck together.
03:54Claudia, I think they edited a lot of that out, actually.
03:58You know what I mean.
04:00I know you mean.
04:01You know, it was, it was, they were totally faithful to each other.
04:05And of course, we have to talk about the big twist for this series, the secret traitor.
04:10Yes.
04:11Why did you think Fiona would fit that role particularly?
04:13I mean, how can we not?
04:15Look at her.
04:16Well, I mean, Fiona was so convincing about how people treat women of a certain age, and she was so twinkly.
04:27I just wanted to put her in my pocket.
04:29I absolutely loved her.
04:30So, yeah, we had to give her the red cloak.
04:32So, of course, we had a lot of amazing faithfuls this series as well.
04:35Amazing.
04:36One in particular was Jessie, who was on to Stephen and would not let go of the Stephen theory.
04:42How did it feel at those round tables when Jessie was going after Stephen?
04:46Well, it's extraordinary.
04:47My, not my favourite, but always, I love a Maddie.
04:50I love a Jazz.
04:51I love a Jessie, who knew, I knew really early.
04:55And there was a brilliant moment when everybody's talking and Jessie goes off in, I think, into the dining room going,
05:02listen to them, wanging on, nobody's listening to me.
05:06Not quite like that, you use better words.
05:08Yeah.
05:09It was extraordinary.
05:11She laid it out, the Library Five.
05:13She just laid, it was all there, and everybody went, aww.
05:16And they love you.
05:17And they did love you.
05:19And you were, they adored you.
05:22And they would go, oh, thank you, Jessie.
05:24No, I think it's probably somebody else.
05:26And I was like, she's got it.
05:28You are, you are the series detective, I think.
05:31Am I?
05:32Yeah, I think so.
05:33Yay!
05:35Apologies, Amanda.
05:37I'm the new detective.
05:38Oh, no, yeah, well, you're one of the only people who's not actually a police person.
05:41Yes.
05:42Yes, no, no.
05:44We've been doing, because obviously we've had Jazz of the Christie in the past.
05:47Jazz of the Christie?
05:48So we've been trying to think of one for you.
05:49What can my name be?
05:50You're thinking Jessica Fletcher?
05:51Jessica Fletcher.
05:52Oh, okay.
05:53We're happy with that?
05:54Good.
05:55Woo!
05:56Love that.
05:57Harriet also extraordinary.
05:58Yeah.
05:59I mean, unbelievable.
06:00Yeah, I mean, yeah.
06:01Yeah, there's been, there's been people vying for that, for that title.
06:04I mean, a huge amount of drama with Harriet in the talk to the traitors.
06:08It was the greatest, I think it was my favourite moment ever.
06:12And I am in the castle and I'm lucky enough that I have a monitor, which I don't leave.
06:17I just, like, eating everything, just staring at it.
06:20And you were talking to the traitors and I had to do something early the next morning
06:25and it was quite late, as you know.
06:26And they said, Claudia, you've got to go home.
06:28And I was like, do not even say that to me.
06:31And when you used the word compunction, oh.
06:35It was almost erotic, Harriet.
06:38And just the fact that you knew, you knew with Hugo as well.
06:42You were so brilliant.
06:44And then that breakfast, yeah, you were magnificent.
06:48Well, as always, Claudia, it's been an absolute delight watching you on the show.
06:55And we know you don't like this bit.
06:57I can't bear it.
06:58But it's the unclosed finale, so we have to have a look at your best bit.
07:06Are they on their way?
07:08Good.
07:09Keep an eye on them.
07:11One thousand pounds added to the pot.
07:17And Sam might die.
07:19Harsh but true.
07:22Sorry.
07:23Don't mind my friends.
07:24They don't bite.
07:26If they're fed.
07:28Oh!
07:29No thank you.
07:30No thank you.
07:31I mean, we've all had childcare days right now.
07:33Stop the murder!
07:34They're like a police officer.
07:37I know friendships have been formed.
07:41But please remember, a friend might be lying to you.
07:45A friend might be planning to murder you.
07:50Get dry.
07:51For goodness sake, have a biscuit.
07:53Just when they think they know how to play.
07:57Bring it to me!
08:00Oh, God.
08:01Sorry.
08:03Faithful, what are you thinking?
08:06I am genuinely speechless.
08:09Oh, my God!
08:16Ha-ha!
08:18I'm going to go and chop some cheese with it.
08:23We'll be talking to our endgame players very soon,
08:28but I'm thrilled to now welcome to the stage,
08:30James and finalist, James!
08:32Yay!
08:36Welcome.
08:37Welcome to Uncloaked.
08:38Both of you are very excited to have you here with us.
08:40Uh, but James, you were particularly forthright
08:42in your suspicions throughout.
08:44So, let's have a look at the moment when you and Roxy
08:46finally found out who the traitors were.
08:49I think I might be in for a little bit of a shock,
09:04but I have to ask, what are you, James?
09:08So you're assuming I'm...
09:09A traitor.
09:10OK.
09:11Absolutely.
09:12So, I'm happy to confirm for you that I am...
09:15A...
09:17Traitful.
09:18Graceful.
09:19Grateful.
09:21Vengeful.
09:23Spiteful.
09:24Cheerful.
09:25Faithful.
09:26Oh, my gosh!
09:27I'm not faithful!
09:29I'm the worst faithful in the land at this point.
09:31Me and you were just going at that.
09:32I even said, like, there's a chunk of me
09:34that thinks me and you are just passionate faithfuls.
09:36We were!
09:37Seeing as you're not a traitor.
09:39I'm sorry.
09:40Who do you think they are?
09:41I think Rachel is.
09:42She's my number one.
09:43OK.
09:44I'm fearing there's two.
09:46I think Faraz is the other one.
09:48Ooh.
09:49And if there's a third, which would be ridiculous,
09:51Stephen.
09:53Really?
09:54So you think Jack and Jade are 100% faithful?
09:55I just can't see it.
09:56Shall we find out?
09:57Yeah, let's do it.
09:58Some blind faithfuls.
09:59I don't even want to know now.
10:01This is horrendous.
10:02Here we go.
10:03Here we go.
10:04Stephen.
10:05Oh, my goodness!
10:06The little...
10:07Honestly, that's mental!
10:08Isn't that another one?
10:09Ah!
10:10It's Rachel!
10:11Yes!
10:12Oh!
10:13Oh, wow.
10:14She's toast.
10:15She nearly went, Faraz.
10:16Wow, he wasn't.
10:17Oh, no.
10:18This is so mental.
10:19I am so sorry for coming at you so hard.
10:20Please don't be sorry.
10:21It kept me in the game and it probably kept you in the game.
10:22Incredible.
10:23And you can watch Roxy and James' reactions later in full on the BBC Sounds socials.
10:27Now, James.
10:28Hello, sir.
10:29Hello, sir.
10:30You named both of the remaining traitors there as your suspicions.
10:32Uh, at what point did you suspect Rachel?
10:33Because I think you did have some suspicions before you left as well, of course.
10:34Yeah, slightly earlier than I laid out there, to be honest.
10:35It's...
10:36Oh, I think she likes me.
10:37I think she likes me.
10:38I think she likes me.
10:39Oh, my God.
10:40Yeah.
10:41And it kept me in the game and it probably kept you in the game.
10:42Um, it kept me in the game and it probably kept you in the game.
10:43It kept me in the game and it probably kept you in the game.
10:44Incredible.
10:45And you can watch Roxy and James' reactions later in full on the BBC Sounds socials.
10:50as your suspicions.
10:51At what point did you suspect Rachel?
10:54Because I think you did have some suspicions
10:55before you left as well, of course.
10:56Yeah, slightly earlier than I laid out there, to be honest.
11:00I think she likes me.
11:01I think she gets on with me, you know, the classic,
11:03blinded by that, and I think she knows I trust her.
11:05But I don't, you know, it was just too many scrapes.
11:07I thought, if I somehow get anyone in the endgame,
11:10I can't end it with her.
11:11And it was narrowing it down who you can end it with.
11:13There weren't many.
11:15This young lady and Jack were the only two
11:16I could be as sure as I could be on
11:18from about halfway through onwards.
11:20So, I mean, you're pretty bang on the money, really.
11:23But slightly too late.
11:24I find if you name every cast member at least once.
11:28James, what?
11:30James, I think everyone would agree
11:31you were a total force of nature in there.
11:34You were incredible every episode
11:35delivering something entertaining,
11:37and obviously ended it in fittingly dramatic style
11:39with the chest of chance.
11:40The second chest of chance of the series,
11:43the third chest of chance in two series of The Traitors.
11:45Talk us through your final moments in the game
11:48with those chests.
11:49I mean, it sounds bizarre, but as a fanboy,
11:52I'm like, how have I got here?
11:53Traitor versus Faithful to get into the final.
11:56This is like the stuff of dreams.
11:57Like, how has this happened?
11:58Now, Jade, you initially voted for James
12:01in that final roundtable that he was there for,
12:04and then you switched your vote to Rachel.
12:06Why did you do that?
12:07Because she's smart.
12:08James' arguments were just not in that.
12:14It was just making me more confused.
12:16And then I was like, right, take a step back.
12:19Who should I actually be voting for here?
12:20Who did I walk into the room with?
12:22And it was Rachel.
12:23So I was like, this is an opportunity to rectify that wrong.
12:25Claudia, that's another third chest of chance,
12:27like I say, that we've had in two series.
12:29I can't.
12:29I can't even.
12:31I don't know what to say about it,
12:32because I, yeah, I come in with a tray,
12:36which, by the way, is much heavier than it looks.
12:39So I'm like, hello.
12:42Yeah, but it's incredibly dramatic for everybody.
12:45And I think the final plea is a really good opportunity.
12:50Both you and Rachel did it brilliantly.
12:52And then the idea that two of you swapped,
12:54and then there was still a deadline.
12:55Oh, it was amazing.
12:56Yeah, both me and Jack swapping,
12:58and it was like, oh, no, we've both done it.
13:00What do we do now?
13:01There have been a lot of theories going,
13:03I can tell from how they pick it up,
13:04which one's got the, you can't, you can't tell.
13:06Absolutely not.
13:08James, you were absolutely convinced throughout the series
13:10that Matthew was a traitor.
13:12I still am.
13:13Even going, he's trick production, I'm telling you.
13:16He's such a smooth operator, that guy.
13:17He tried his best.
13:18He's amazing.
13:19He really wanted to be one.
13:20What were the biggest clues for you that Matthew was a traitor?
13:23I've never played poker to an amazing level,
13:25but I used to earn a living doing it for a while.
13:26And the first few seconds, the blindfold comes off,
13:29I was a bit cheesed off.
13:30It wasn't him, but I was doing that
13:32when Claudia walked behind me the whole time.
13:33That's all right.
13:33I forgive you.
13:36And everyone else was doing that.
13:38Obviously, I know a lot of them are acting.
13:39And Matthew was just stood like that.
13:41It looked like a deer in the headlights for a few seconds.
13:44And I did ask him, I thought you looked quite stunned,
13:45and he didn't really have an answer to it.
13:47And he's a really smart guy.
13:48I thought, this guy can carry it off.
13:50He turns on the style at the round tables.
13:51He hides in the shadows a bit.
13:53I'm the only one shouting his name.
13:54I must be keeping him in.
13:55And I've solved it.
13:56No.
13:57I'll let you know.
13:58Matthew, what was it like in your final day in the castle,
14:01knowing that James had his sights set on you,
14:03and of course, he had the ceremonial dagger?
14:04Love you, mate.
14:05Yeah.
14:06You have to have hope,
14:08because anything can happen.
14:10But I did feel like the odds were stacked against me.
14:12I do regret not making it plainly obvious at that last round table
14:16that I didn't think you were a traitor.
14:19Because I didn't.
14:20I just did not believe you were a traitor.
14:21No, no.
14:21Yeah.
14:22You thought I was, though.
14:23Yeah.
14:24Right, I know.
14:25Yeah.
14:26Hi.
14:26My family are very disappointed in me.
14:31It's feeling a lot more like an American chat show this year.
14:34Oh, yeah, yeah.
14:35You guys.
14:36But I just want to say this on behalf of,
14:39it's impossible if you don't know.
14:41Of course, yeah, yeah.
14:42And it's so easy when you're watching the telly, and you do.
14:45Jade, after James' departure following the chest of chance,
14:48you were confirmed as one of the final five.
14:50However, despite battling Klayer's suspicions
14:52since the very first round table,
14:54they finally acted on them in this final episode.
14:57Let's take a look at the moment
14:58where you found out the identity of the traitors
15:00shortly after leaving the game.
15:06I did see it coming.
15:08I said I was being set up for banishment for a while now,
15:10so it did catch me off guard
15:12that it would happen so close to the final.
15:15You do start picturing who you're going to stand
15:16at that bonfire with,
15:18and I think when you start kind of picturing it in your head,
15:20you're manifesting it quite a lot.
15:22So, it was so close,
15:25and yeah, so far at the same time.
15:27I think there are two traitors left in the castle,
15:31and I think one of them is Faraz.
15:34Throughout the kind of whole of the game,
15:36I had to kind of take advantage of the situation
15:38that I was put in
15:39and see who was really pushing me for banishment.
15:42And Faraz, I feel like that round table,
15:44was kind of desperate to get me banished.
15:47Like, everything that had been worked up at this point
15:49was suddenly kind of paying off.
15:51And I feel Rachel played a really instrumental role in that,
15:55because, you know, Jack, Steve, and I are a little trio,
15:58in a sense,
15:59so they've got to be working together, I think.
16:02After everything the traitors have put me through,
16:04I cannot wait to find out who they are.
16:09OK.
16:17Rachel.
16:18Yeah.
16:19It's difficult.
16:21Yeah, that.
16:23I mean, I said it, didn't I?
16:27I'm glad I was right about one thing.
16:29That's really gratifying to be in that situation.
16:36Stephen.
16:37OK.
16:40The thing is, right,
16:41when someone's that close to you,
16:43you don't look at it for what it is,
16:45and having walked out of that round table
16:47and seeing how he voted for me,
16:49it would have been too late to recognize
16:50who that person was.
16:52Damn.
16:53Stephen's playing a phenomenal game.
16:57100%.
16:58Yeah.
17:01I've lost words, really.
17:03And Stephen,
17:04he had me in his back pocket.
17:05Stephen had you in his back pocket.
17:15Yeah.
17:15It's one of the benefits of wearing such massive trousers.
17:17I know.
17:18I'm a big person.
17:19A lot to unpack there from that reveal.
17:23Let's start with Rachel.
17:24You were suspicious of her
17:25and thought she and Faraz were playing as a traitor team.
17:28Had you had suspicions of Rachel earlier in the game
17:30or did the thoughts form a little bit later on?
17:32It was pretty early.
17:33There was a conversation that I'd had with Sam and Rachel in the kitchen
17:36where I, you know, told them about what had happened on the chariot mission.
17:40And that information got round so fast.
17:46Yeah.
17:46And I was like, well, Sam was in a unique situation like I was.
17:52Rachel was the only other person in that room.
17:54And I was like, that's a little red flag.
17:56So it started then.
17:57And then, you know, Amanda and the policing training
18:02just kept being brought up regardless.
18:04And I was like, well, you're pushing a narrative
18:06and she's banished from the cast
18:07and you're still bringing up Amanda's name.
18:10So, yeah.
18:11And the Stephen reveal,
18:13you mentioned that you, Stephen and Jack have been a bit of a trio.
18:16How did it feel seeing Stephen's name on the scroll?
18:20I think after he'd written my name down at the round table,
18:25the pin dropped.
18:26And you don't quite realise how blind you are
18:29because I felt quite vulnerable going through the game
18:32because I'd had so much heat.
18:33And it was really important for me,
18:34especially to have backing,
18:36people that I feel would have my back.
18:38And Stephen was just one of them.
18:40And then, yeah, when he put my name down,
18:41it was, oh, OK, right.
18:44You see the game in the moment, don't you?
18:45You see the game.
18:46You see literally how it's all played out.
18:48But then it's too late by then
18:50because you're going out the door.
18:51Of course.
18:51Now, one of the major theories around you being a traitor
18:54was that Amanda thought you were a traitor
18:56and Amanda was in the police force.
18:58Yeah.
18:59Amanda, how does it feel watching it back
19:02knowing that you were part of the game long after you left?
19:06I didn't realise I was going to be such a part of it
19:10when I was actually not in the castle.
19:12I just want to say, Jade, I apologise.
19:15We've apologised.
19:15I've apologised over beers.
19:17But I just want to apologise and say
19:19you played an absolute blinder all the way through
19:22and you just kept going.
19:24So, well done to you.
19:26Well done to you.
19:27Great.
19:27James and Jade,
19:33it's been an absolute pleasure speaking with you.
19:34Everyone give it up for finalist James.
19:36Yesy.
19:43James, shortly I'm going to ask you
19:45to join our front row of traitfuls
19:47as they will now be known forevermore.
19:49Good man.
19:50Now, Rachel and Stephen will be joining us very shortly
19:52for their very first post-win interview.
19:55But first, I'll be having a chat with our runners-up,
19:56Jack and Faraz.
19:58Here is the moment where they both found out
20:00the identities of the traitors
20:01just moments after leaving the endgame.
20:11Rachel!
20:12Grandma's doing me!
20:15Grandma's doing me!
20:17Oh, no!
20:18Oh, no!
20:20Here we go.
20:22Here we go.
20:23Rachel.
20:26Rachel.
20:29And Stephen.
20:31Whoa!
20:33Rachel and Stephen!
20:34I knew it!
20:36After all!
20:38Oh!
20:39At least I got one, right?
20:42I got...
20:42I got one on four.
20:44They obviously had a tactic,
20:47they had a strategy,
20:49and they executed it with perfection
20:51because they've won.
20:52Stephen definitely played a smart game.
20:54So I was on to Stephen
20:56when he came back into the Maz as well.
20:59Oh, mate,
21:00I actually am not bad at this game then,
21:02to be fair.
21:03I just need to stop changing my mind.
21:05It is nice to know
21:06I was the last remaining faithful in the game.
21:10And
21:10I can lead this game
21:13with my head held high
21:14knowing that I played with integrity,
21:18honesty,
21:19and I was just myself.
21:21Rachel and Stephen have defoed
21:22took the coin home and split it.
21:24Yeah, I feel sorry for Jack.
21:26I think he'll be absolutely gutted.
21:28But, yeah,
21:28Rachel and Stephen,
21:30to be fair to them,
21:30especially Rachel,
21:31I feel as if she deserves it,
21:32the game she's played.
21:35A huge round of applause, please,
21:38for Strixie's finalist,
21:40Faraz and Jack!
21:44Welcome.
21:45Welcome, both of you,
21:46to our own cloaks.
21:47Faraz, let's start with you.
21:49Talk us through that final day in the game.
21:51How were you feeling?
21:52The final day was honestly a blur.
21:54Like, I think I was just buzzing to be there,
21:55to be honest.
21:56And then, obviously,
21:57breakfast just stuck my face in that,
21:59ridden myself for the day.
22:00But, no, honestly,
22:02it was just an unreal feeling,
22:04just making it.
22:05There's so many shots of you
22:06just absolutely wolfing down food.
22:07I'm a growing lad, aren't I?
22:09I'm a growing lad.
22:10I need my five a day.
22:11That was my mission.
22:12That was my mission.
22:13It's not the missions in the day.
22:14It was getting the food in.
22:15You know, five a day relates to fruit and vegetables
22:16and not full meals.
22:17Yeah.
22:18Bad place.
22:20Jack, what about you?
22:21Same question.
22:21What was your plan for that final day?
22:23It's so hard, isn't it?
22:24Like, when you come into the final day,
22:25like, we're all looking forward to the mission.
22:27I was absolutely buzzing for the mission,
22:28but your head is just so mangled at that point.
22:31And I know, as the viewers,
22:32you sit there and you think,
22:33oh, it's so easy, it's so obvious,
22:34but my head was a total mess about who to vote for.
22:37You know, it's so hard coming to that last round table.
22:41But, yeah.
22:41What about you, Jade?
22:42Because, obviously,
22:43you're going into that final day.
22:44Are you worried that you're going to go before the end game?
22:46Could you see the right?
22:47I was set up for banishment.
22:48My days were so limited.
22:50I made my peace with it very early on,
22:52and I was like,
22:53I will not go gently into that night.
22:56But, yeah.
22:57I mean, I'm amazed I got as far as I did, to be honest,
23:00but I knew it was just an hour of time.
23:02Faraz, now,
23:02you've also been dubbed as a bit of a detective this series.
23:05Faraz of the Christie's been flying around.
23:07Oh, yes.
23:08Long laugh, didn't it?
23:10Well, you went for Rachel.
23:11I think we were all...
23:12It was limbs in my house.
23:13We were so excited.
23:14He's going to get Rachel.
23:15And then you sort of had a little bit of a nap
23:18and changed your mind.
23:20Yeah.
23:21What was it that made your suspicions wane?
23:24I think it was just the way she reacted.
23:26Yeah.
23:26To me, as soon as the round table,
23:28like, she was so calm,
23:29and I resonated with the fact that
23:31if you were to stand up there as a faithful,
23:33you want to just rub it in the face,
23:34sort of as a last hurrah,
23:36and that's exactly how I would have felt.
23:37So I think it was just that,
23:38and I was like,
23:39yeah, that's, like,
23:41obviously, as a faithful,
23:42knowing why I am,
23:43I thought that that's it,
23:44that it probably,
23:46she's not a traitor in that sort of respect.
23:48I guess you're,
23:49it's so difficult, isn't it?
23:50Yeah.
23:51You decide one thing
23:52and then probably so easily convinced
23:54in the other direction
23:55because you simply don't know.
23:56That's what it is.
23:56Like, when you're in the castle,
23:58when you're playing the game,
23:59things change, like,
24:00in a matter of moments,
24:00and you can't really anticipate
24:02where things are going to go.
24:03And to be fair to her,
24:04she was, like, really convincing and stuff,
24:06and she was smart,
24:07she was calculating,
24:08she knew what she was doing.
24:09Yeah.
24:10So, yeah.
24:10And she was organised.
24:11I mean, if you've now seen
24:13the Rachel and Stephen plotting pre-Endgame,
24:16they were organised,
24:17they knew what they were doing.
24:18Do you think there's anything
24:19that you two could have done
24:21to stop them pre-Endgame?
24:23I think we probably could have had
24:24a few more chats, couldn't we,
24:26and just sort of had that plan in place.
24:28Like, I said that plan to you,
24:29I didn't even follow it myself, so...
24:31LAUGHTER
24:31We've been over it 100 times, haven't we?
24:35It's endlessly frustrating.
24:36You go over and over,
24:37but I think the reality is, like,
24:39particularly in that very last round table
24:42or the Endgame,
24:43I was sort of set on Rachel,
24:44Fraz was set on Stephen,
24:45and we were both going for traitors,
24:47but just two different traitors.
24:48Yeah.
24:48I think we just weren't voting together.
24:50I think that was the thing, wasn't it?
24:51I think it's hard to accept the fact
24:52that we were both right and both wrong.
24:54I know, yes, true.
24:55Well, you were very won over by Fraz, Jack.
24:57You seemed to be siding with him.
24:59Why did you choose him over Rachel?
25:01I just...
25:02I think Fraz and I had a little, like,
25:03bro-bond on day one, like, yeah.
25:06On day one, like,
25:07we sat next to each other on the train,
25:09we just clicked straight away,
25:10and I just...
25:11He was one of those people,
25:11I had a little book,
25:12and I wrote who I thought was, like,
25:14faithful, who I thought was traitors,
25:14and I put a percentage on it,
25:15and Fraz was pretty much always
25:17100% faithful for me
25:18the whole way through.
25:19At the very end,
25:20there was that small slither of doubt,
25:22but, like, as there is for all the players,
25:24you know what I mean?
25:25But it was just...
25:26It was so hard at the end,
25:28and I think, as well,
25:29ironically, Stephen was someone I had
25:31as almost the whole way through
25:32100% faithful.
25:33It was only at the very end
25:34that I started to look at him,
25:35which is crazy,
25:36considering all the evidence
25:37that was put against him
25:37throughout the game,
25:38but it just goes to show, doesn't it?
25:40It's such a hard game.
25:41Well, look, you are all fantastic players.
25:43We loved watching you.
25:44A massive round of applause
25:45for Fraz, Jack, and Jay!
25:50Well, the time has come
25:53to finally hear from our winners,
25:55Rachel and Stephen.
25:56Here's the moment
25:57the traitors seized their historic win.
25:59I'll be honest.
26:01I had moments
26:02where I was doubting
26:03what I was going to do tonight,
26:05but I had...
26:08I couldn't go back on my word to you.
26:11It just wasn't worth the money,
26:12and I couldn't...
26:12I couldn't have walked out of here
26:14by lying to you.
26:16Two traitors,
26:17but totally faithful
26:19to each other.
26:21You did it.
26:22You absolutely did it.
26:24Congratulations.
26:25I'm so proud of you, honestly.
26:26I'm very proud of you.
26:27I'm so proud of you.
26:29Aw.
26:30Aw.
26:35Incredible.
26:37I'll be honest.
26:39Woo!
26:43Welcome.
26:43Welcome, foreign folk,
26:44both of you.
26:45Congratulations.
26:46Thank you very much.
26:46Our two traitor champions.
26:48You are both incredible
26:49throughout the game.
26:50I want a quick reflection
26:51from both of you.
26:51How does it feel
26:52watching that back,
26:53Rachel, you first of all?
26:55A lot more emotional
26:56than I remember.
26:57I don't think I was, like,
26:59letting my nerves shine through
27:00because I knew
27:01what I was going to do,
27:02but I was so nervous
27:03with Stephen,
27:04so watching it back,
27:05it kind of...
27:05It got me a little bit...
27:07Made me cry.
27:08Nervous that he was
27:08going to change his mind?
27:11Nervous that I wasn't
27:12going to change his mind.
27:13Yeah.
27:14I don't know what goes on
27:14on that little head of his.
27:16You don't want to.
27:18What about you, Stephen?
27:19How does it feel
27:19watching it back?
27:21Unlike Rachel,
27:22I didn't know
27:22what I was going to do,
27:24and watching it back,
27:26I mean,
27:27I think I can see
27:29in my face,
27:30I've got quite
27:31an expressive face,
27:33as I think...
27:33Oh, really?
27:34You might have
27:35picked up on already.
27:37You know,
27:38you're just a meme generator now.
27:39Yeah.
27:39Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:40Every emotion possible.
27:42See,
27:43I never knew
27:43I had an expressive face,
27:44so this is news to me.
27:46And what face
27:47did you make
27:47when you found out?
27:53But, yeah,
27:54I think just watching it back,
27:55you know,
27:57I'm just so proud
27:58of the decision
27:59that I made,
28:00proud of myself,
28:01and just proud of the game
28:02that Rachel played as well.
28:03I think it couldn't really
28:04go any better, so...
28:06Well, let's talk about
28:07the pact,
28:07the pact that you made
28:08by the family tree
28:09that you wouldn't write
28:10each other's names down
28:11on the slate.
28:12I will hold my hands up
28:13and apologise
28:14to every single episode
28:15of Uncloaked.
28:15When the pact comes up,
28:16I say,
28:17the pact's worth nothing.
28:18We know.
28:19We know.
28:20We were watching
28:21and I couldn't wait
28:22for this moment.
28:25To be fair to me,
28:26history told me
28:27that the pact
28:28would not stick.
28:28No one has ever
28:29stuck to a pact like that.
28:30Even the people
28:31making the pact
28:31know that they're
28:32not going to stick to it.
28:33So both of you
28:34in that moment,
28:34when you made it,
28:35you thought,
28:35we're absolutely sticking to it.
28:37I knew from the minute
28:39it came out of my mouth
28:40I wouldn't break it.
28:40I knew that
28:42and I just thought
28:42you have to think
28:43really fast in this game
28:44and you have to
28:45kind of navigate
28:46and go with the flow.
28:47And I just thought
28:48at that moment,
28:49no, this is a new game
28:49for me
28:50and I'm not breaking that.
28:52Yeah,
28:52that's not what
28:53I was thinking.
28:58It's so hard
28:59to trust someone in there
29:00whose job it is
29:02to lie,
29:03you know?
29:04And so,
29:05yeah,
29:06I was really struggling
29:07to see how Rachel
29:08could hold on
29:09to that pact
29:09for the whole game,
29:11which is why
29:12towards the end,
29:13like,
29:13I was wobbling
29:15big time.
29:17I'm just so glad
29:18that she's a woman
29:19of her word.
29:20Well,
29:20you both had a lot
29:21of stuff to deal with
29:22throughout the whole game.
29:23Obviously,
29:23the secret traitor,
29:25the dastardly Fiona.
29:26when Fiona revealed herself,
29:29did you initially
29:31trust her,
29:32Stephen?
29:32Did you think
29:32you could trust her?
29:34I did,
29:35yeah.
29:35I think myself
29:36and Fiona
29:37got on really well
29:38and if there was anyone
29:41that I wanted it to be,
29:43I wanted it to be Fiona
29:45but I didn't think
29:45it would be.
29:48I was so trapped
29:49when she walked
29:50into that turret.
29:51Yeah.
29:51We all were.
29:53Yeah.
29:53Yeah, yeah.
29:54I don't think
29:54we all were.
29:55No.
30:00We weren't, no.
30:02Well, Rachel,
30:03obviously,
30:03you came to blows
30:05with Fiona
30:05a little bit.
30:06Yeah.
30:07When she accused herself
30:09in the kitchen,
30:10talk us through
30:10that moment.
30:11What was going
30:11through your mind?
30:13I just thought,
30:14this is great crack.
30:16I was like this
30:16because I was nervous
30:17for the first part
30:18of the game
30:19and then,
30:20and I love games.
30:21I am so competitive.
30:22I love them
30:22and Fiona reminded me
30:24that this is a game.
30:26These are all adults
30:27going to play a game.
30:28It was,
30:29the laughs we had
30:30but yeah,
30:31it took me about
30:32three seconds
30:32when she dropped
30:33her cloak
30:33and I just thought,
30:34no.
30:35No.
30:36She dropped the hood
30:36and I was like,
30:37no, she's going
30:37to throw me under the bus.
30:39I just didn't think
30:40she was going to move.
30:41Was it when she said,
30:42and just straight away
30:43go for me
30:44but she's phenomenal.
30:45I mean,
30:46bringing the cloak back
30:46and saying,
30:47haven't I been wonderful
30:48was probably.
30:50She loved it
30:51and that line,
30:52I'm drunk on power,
30:53I was like,
30:53I know you are.
30:54I can see you.
30:56She made it so much fun
30:58and like that reaction
30:59in the kitchen
30:59when she says,
31:00I think you're a traitor
31:01and I burst out laughing
31:02and I thought,
31:02this is brilliant.
31:03Yeah, it was amazing.
31:04This is hilarious.
31:05How did that feel
31:05for you, Claudia?
31:06Because obviously
31:06you weren't in the kitchen
31:07when that happened.
31:08I was watching.
31:09I was watching
31:09and my mouth was,
31:11I mean,
31:11I had to hold it up
31:12with both my hands
31:13and my feet.
31:14I was like,
31:14what is going on?
31:15What's happening?
31:17What?
31:17No, Fiona,
31:18stop, stop, stop, stop.
31:20Can I just go down?
31:21No, you can't.
31:22Can I just,
31:22could I just get a message
31:24to write something
31:25in an apple?
31:26It was unbelievable.
31:27But yeah,
31:28you acted very fast.
31:29You were like,
31:30no, no,
31:30I'm not doing this.
31:31Come on, everybody.
31:31I need to tell everyone.
31:32Fiona,
31:33Fiona,
31:34were you disappointed
31:35that Stephen
31:35sided with Rachel
31:36at your final round table?
31:38No,
31:38not at all.
31:40I knew my time was up,
31:42to be honest with you.
31:44And I just loved every minute.
31:45And I've said
31:46all the way along,
31:47it was team traitor.
31:48I wanted you to be there.
31:51And I just had
31:53the best fun ever.
31:56It was wonderful.
31:58And to play with
31:59all these wonderful people,
32:01all my contestants here,
32:03was,
32:04oh,
32:04I can't begin to tell you
32:05how excited I was
32:06every single day.
32:07Rachel,
32:09you barely got a chance
32:10to relax after that.
32:12You barely got a chance
32:13to relax
32:14because then you had
32:14a showdown with Harriet.
32:16Was that something
32:17you were expecting
32:18in the talk to the traitors?
32:20No.
32:20You talk about
32:21being blindsided.
32:23And me and Harriet
32:24had a lovely relationship
32:25in the castle.
32:26And I remember
32:26sitting in the library
32:27and we were just chatting
32:28about the questions.
32:29And I thought,
32:30Harriet's knackered
32:31and she can't come up
32:32with the questions
32:33and blah, blah, blah.
32:33And I just thought,
32:34right,
32:34it's Maddie
32:36that we need to worry about.
32:37He's going to blindside us.
32:39And then when the boots
32:40come in,
32:40and the round table
32:41at Traders Pet,
32:42Claudia's boots
32:42are like clunk,
32:44clunk, clunk.
32:45Sorry.
32:45That was nothing
32:46on Harriet walking in.
32:49Because it's obviously,
32:50you know,
32:50it's very quiet.
32:51The boots come in
32:52and then she started speaking
32:53and I thought,
32:54I just want to go home.
32:57She scared the life out of me,
32:58but it was brilliant.
32:59It was absolutely brilliant.
33:00Harriet,
33:00how does it feel
33:01to see Rachel get so far
33:02and then win the game
33:03despite your best efforts?
33:05Oh, I mean,
33:05I've been beaten
33:07by the master
33:08and she is superb.
33:10She is,
33:11I think,
33:11that when you see
33:12how an alliance
33:14formed between traitors
33:15just wipes the floor
33:17with everyone,
33:18I mean,
33:18I'm so pleased
33:19that you stuck to it,
33:20both of you,
33:21to the end.
33:22And I mean,
33:22Rachel,
33:23watching you
33:23through the whole series,
33:25you've just been fantastic.
33:27So calm,
33:29collected,
33:29strategic,
33:31completely outplayed,
33:32all of us.
33:33You know,
33:33brilliant.
33:34Badass.
33:35Yeah.
33:40But of course,
33:42both of you
33:43flew perilously
33:44close to the sun
33:45on numerous occasions.
33:47I mean,
33:47there was one moment
33:48everyone was talking about
33:49when you were next
33:50to the family tree
33:51trying to work out
33:52how to mark the people
33:53on the family tree
33:54and, of course,
33:55Rhys was stood there.
33:58You were worried
33:59about that,
34:00weren't you,
34:00Stephen,
34:00that Rhys had seen you
34:01both next to the family tree
34:02and was sent away
34:04so you could have
34:05a conversation.
34:05Yeah.
34:06When Rachel asked Rhys
34:08to leave,
34:09I think you saw
34:10my world disintegrate
34:11in front of my eyes.
34:12No, hang on.
34:12He offered to leave.
34:14He offered to leave.
34:15OK, sorry.
34:16I'm rewriting history.
34:18But I was terrified.
34:22I mean,
34:22I don't know
34:23how he didn't bring it up
34:24the next day.
34:25Sorry, Rhys.
34:26Well, I mean,
34:26luckily,
34:27we've given him a microphone.
34:28So, Rhys,
34:28how did you not
34:30bring that up
34:30at the real table?
34:31I'm sweating.
34:31I'm sweating for one right now.
34:32The battering I've had,
34:34by the way,
34:34from family friends,
34:35even cast,
34:36of mental.
34:39It's hard,
34:40because, obviously,
34:40like, the next day
34:41we had the early banishment.
34:43Obviously, it was Ross.
34:43My name was already
34:44being thrown
34:45through the dirt
34:46and I was never...
34:47Stephen, fair play to him,
34:48was hard on pushing
34:50on Mazwa's
34:50at the family tree last night
34:51and I was never
34:52going to be like,
34:52so was I, by the way.
34:54I was also there,
34:55so I was just
34:55in my chair,
34:57sitting down,
34:58no one mentioned me
34:58and then I was like,
34:59I'll mention it
34:59after the table
35:00if I get through.
35:01No, you won't,
35:01you'll go in a cage
35:02and then Fiona
35:03won't bother
35:03trying to get you
35:04out of the cage
35:04so you'll stay
35:05in the cage
35:05and then it was just,
35:06one thing led to another
35:07and it just never
35:07came up for me
35:08but was I a bit naive,
35:10I'll let you answer that.
35:12But you didn't want
35:12to implicate yourself,
35:13essentially.
35:14You didn't want
35:14to put yourself
35:15next to the family tree
35:16as well as Rachel
35:16and Stephen.
35:17I was just trying
35:17to learn Latin.
35:18I don't know,
35:18what's the deal?
35:19I walked out of the kitchen,
35:21they didn't come with me.
35:22Let's go, guys.
35:23People go into the castle
35:24for different reasons
35:25and I think Latin
35:25is an admirable one.
35:27Educational purposes,
35:28I reckon.
35:29Stephen,
35:30you also had to get
35:31through the Library 5 theory.
35:32I did, yes.
35:33Which was absolutely,
35:34it's a spot on theory
35:35from Jesse,
35:36the Library 5 theory
35:37but it didn't really
35:38gain traction.
35:40How do you think
35:40you got away with that?
35:42A hope and a prayer,
35:43I think,
35:43to be honest.
35:45It is,
35:46that,
35:47I think was
35:48the first time
35:49I realised that
35:50I wasn't really cut out
35:52to play this game
35:53strategically.
35:54I just,
35:54like,
35:54I made that move
35:55and it wasn't until
35:57Jesse brought it up to me
35:58the next day
35:59and said,
35:59I think Ross has been framed.
36:01I was shocked
36:02that I had got myself
36:04into that mess
36:05and I knew then
36:07I had to play
36:08more of a social game
36:09than a strategic game
36:10because I clearly
36:11wasn't very good
36:11at, like,
36:12seeing where the lines
36:13would lead back to me.
36:14I'm amazed
36:17that,
36:18I'm amazed
36:18I'm sat here
36:19in the first place
36:20to be honest.
36:20I think Jesse
36:21is such
36:23a switched on person
36:25and every single thing
36:26she said about me
36:27obviously was 100% accurate
36:28and just a phenomenal player
36:32and I think really
36:33she'd be so proud
36:33of herself
36:34with how she came across
36:35because just
36:35an amazing person
36:36so well done.
36:37Yes.
36:38There were
36:42amongst you as Tracers
36:44there were a couple
36:45of verbal slip-ups
36:46as well.
36:47I mean,
36:47we saw in
36:47that final episode,
36:50Rachel,
36:50you saying
36:51if I was a faithful
36:52big whoopsie.
36:54I can't even remember
36:55saying that.
36:56Oh,
36:57so you didn't even
36:57register it
36:58when you said it?
36:59Did you not hear
37:00the cameras all
37:00zoom in on you?
37:01No.
37:02I watched it
37:03and then I thought
37:04oh God,
37:05I can't remember
37:05those words
37:06coming out of my mouth
37:07and then luckily
37:07nobody else really
37:09remembers it.
37:09Yeah,
37:09I was going to say
37:10neither could I.
37:11I was too focused
37:12on Jack's upset.
37:13I was too busy crying.
37:14I didn't even
37:15notice who said it.
37:16I was too busy
37:17eating blueberries.
37:20So you guys
37:21didn't notice
37:21any slip-ups
37:23from these two?
37:23There were no
37:24alarm bells going.
37:25Stephen,
37:25do you remember
37:25that time at the table
37:26I saw a TikTok
37:27of you saying
37:28when we discussed
37:29this last night
37:30instead of this morning
37:31as in last night
37:32in the turret
37:32and none of us
37:33clocked that you said it.
37:34Yeah,
37:34I did see
37:35when I thought
37:37about this last night
37:38and again
37:39like Rachel
37:39I have no recollection
37:40of saying that
37:41and when I watched
37:43that episode back
37:44I was screaming
37:44at the TV
37:45like what are you doing?
37:46You know?
37:48But I think
37:48you can also tell
37:49that I didn't quite
37:50realise the gravity
37:51of the mistake
37:52I'd made
37:52because I think
37:53if I had known
37:54that I'd slipped up
37:54so badly
37:55I would have then
37:56continued to
37:57like you know
37:58degrade from there on
37:59so I think
38:00I just didn't realise
38:02I made the mistake
38:02and that's for the best
38:04isn't it?
38:04So you're then
38:05digging a hole
38:05and next thing
38:06you're saying
38:06you am into a tracer
38:07you know
38:08Yeah I am
38:08what I am in
38:09Yeah yeah yeah
38:10exactly
38:10I think whilst you're there
38:11as well
38:12you sometimes
38:12give people
38:13benefit of the doubt
38:14because everything's
38:15happening so fast
38:16and stuff
38:16like daft little
38:17slip ups like that
38:18doesn't seem daft now
38:19there's slip ups like that
38:20like you sort of
38:21let people get away with
38:22because people can stumble
38:23over the words
38:24and stuff like that
38:25so sometimes you do
38:26let it fly under the radar
38:27it's exactly right
38:28and also not to
38:29harp back
38:29Alan Carr
38:30couldn't say the words
38:31I am a faithful
38:32that bursting out laughing
38:33and everyone else
38:34ran and went
38:35aww
38:35yeah
38:36so again
38:38when you're in there
38:39when you're in the castle
38:40somebody says something
38:41it doesn't lodge
38:42no
38:42please don't compare
38:44these people
38:44to the celebrity faithful
38:45those guys were awful
38:46you guys
38:50did you notice
38:51Rachel and Stephen
38:52being close in the castle
38:53did you see them
38:54like chatting to each other
38:55or
38:55this was the thing
38:56that really frustrated me
38:58because I had a little notebook
38:59and I wrote down
39:00everyone's names
39:01and I drew lines
39:02from who I saw
39:03would talk to each other
39:04and the only two people
39:05and I didn't realise this
39:06until way too late
39:07the only two lines
39:08I didn't draw a name between
39:09was Stephen and Rachel
39:11literally never saw them
39:12and I was literally
39:13staring at that paper
39:14like who is not connected
39:16but it was literally
39:16in front of me
39:17so it's Australian
39:18I think they'd done well
39:19to sort of hide
39:21in plain sight really
39:21because I was the same
39:23didn't really notice
39:23them speaking
39:24much at all
39:24not bad for her grandma
39:25yeah
39:26not bad for her granny
39:27like
39:27I want to get
39:30a tattoo of grandma's
39:31dummy
39:32that is so funny
39:33brilliant
39:34Rachel now
39:35the question on
39:35everyone's lips
39:36let's talk
39:38FBI training
39:39tell us more
39:41about this FBI training
39:42what did it entail
39:43is it available
39:44to the rest of us
39:45so I was very careful
39:47with my words
39:47I said I did it
39:48I was trained
39:49by a former FBI agent
39:51that's correct
39:53but a really
39:54loose interpretation
39:55of it
39:56so the four month
39:58online course
39:59was more like
40:00a one day course
40:01and an e-book
40:02but still
40:05by a former FBI agent
40:07so it was
40:07tactical skills
40:09in negotiating
40:09with difficult people
40:10and there was
40:1121 very difficult
40:11people in that castle
40:12and the art
40:15of micro expressions
40:15and stuff
40:16which
40:16you know
40:17I just thought
40:18if I have something
40:19there that I tried
40:20if I was a faithful
40:21I had skills
40:22or I prepared
40:23but that just
40:24it's taken on
40:25a life of its own
40:25and it probably
40:26put the fear of God
40:27into people as well
40:28when you're announcing
40:28that you've got
40:29FBI training
40:29did that scare you
40:32when you heard that
40:32yeah
40:33you're saying to Fraz
40:34that I had a
40:35clench my jaw
40:36and obviously
40:36you're going to believe it
40:37yeah I was like
40:38yeah I've seen that
40:38I've seen that
40:39I don't think I ever
40:40did
40:40no because I
40:42I said
40:43I said
40:43gee it had a clench
40:44on your jaw
40:44on this side
40:45and he says
40:45yeah I've seen it
40:46and he's sitting
40:46this side
40:47I don't think
40:49you ought to say that one
40:50but like
40:52it's the art of
40:53distraction
40:54it's anything but me
40:55don't speak about me
40:56and just speak about
40:57somebody else out there
40:58so it worked
40:58but that's what I love
40:59so much about you two
41:00is you did it for each other
41:01throughout
41:02when you watch it back
41:04from the moment
41:05that you decided
41:06and that was
41:07I'm not saying
41:08a casual alliance
41:08but you were in a hall
41:09where people were looking
41:11and you did it
41:11it's not like
41:12let's sit down
41:13and work this out
41:13you just decided
41:14I love the fact
41:15that anybody came
41:16for one of you
41:17the other person
41:18picked something up
41:19and just went
41:19look over there
41:20yeah
41:20yeah yeah
41:21and people didn't see
41:22that very often
41:23you know
41:23I know
41:24yeah but we did
41:25have each other's back
41:26up until the end
41:27we did
41:27well
41:28we did have each other's back
41:29and I think
41:30that was the hardest thing
41:31to have each other's backs
41:32silently
41:32you know
41:33like and
41:33obviously you saw
41:35my face drop
41:36when Rachel told me
41:37in the turret
41:37that you know
41:38if I hear
41:39that she's been saying
41:41my name
41:41not to panic
41:42and what
41:42I mean the first thing
41:43I do is panic
41:44right
41:44but I think
41:46it's just
41:47up until that point
41:48we had been really good
41:49and I think for her
41:50when she said that to me
41:52it was absolutely
41:52the right thing to do
41:53right
41:53we can't
41:54as traitors
41:55be defending each other
41:56too overtly
41:57but
41:58yeah I think
41:59up until that point
42:00I just
42:00always thought
42:01you were kind of
42:02actively defending me
42:03which obviously
42:04would have been
42:04really stupid
42:05because
42:05look at me
42:06and
42:08yeah
42:09so I think
42:09that's when I
42:09started to panic
42:10kind of towards
42:11the latter part
42:11of the game
42:12and maybe start
42:12to throw your name
42:13out a bit too much
42:14I think at the end
42:15well Rachel
42:15the big panic
42:16for you in the game
42:17was the chest of chance
42:18you came so close
42:19to being banished
42:20can you talk us
42:21through that round table
42:21do you know what
42:23myself and James
42:24have spoken about this
42:25and it was oddly
42:26amazing
42:27it was
42:28one of those ones
42:29because I'm a big believer
42:30in what's for you
42:31you know
42:31it's meant to be
42:32and I thought right
42:33chance is deciding this
42:35so
42:35if it's not in
42:36the chest
42:37so be it
42:38stand up
42:39hold your head high
42:40and walk out
42:40you know
42:41it's up to fate
42:42and then when we
42:43opened it
42:44and I seen it
42:44I thought
42:45oh my god
42:46I've just scraped
42:47by by the skin
42:48of my teeth
42:48but it was
42:49like it was a
42:49brilliant moment
42:50it was a lot of fun
42:51for you maybe
42:52until the cliffhanger
42:53at which point
42:54every living room
42:54in the country
42:55was smashed to pieces
42:56now obviously
42:58you said to Stephen
42:59I'm going to have
42:59to talk about you
43:01being a traitor
43:02but how did it feel
43:03hearing Stephen
43:04talk about you
43:05being a traitor
43:06at the round table
43:07and throwing accusations
43:08like we knew
43:09it was coming
43:10and we knew
43:10you can't hide
43:13in that game
43:14and you have to
43:14throw names out
43:15so we knew
43:15it was coming
43:16but it still
43:18takes you by surprise
43:19do you know
43:20when his face
43:22just told me
43:23he was gunning
43:23for me
43:24and I thought
43:24this is a different
43:25face to the turret
43:26face
43:26but yeah
43:28it had to be done
43:29it was slightly
43:29unnerving
43:30but we kind of
43:31did you feel
43:32the same way Stephen
43:32when the accusations
43:33were being thrown
43:34at you from Rachel
43:34at the round table
43:35yeah surprisingly
43:36like I think
43:37I think Rachel
43:39had more trust
43:40in me
43:40than I had
43:40in her
43:41and yet
43:42at the round table
43:44I think
43:44I gave her
43:45a harder time
43:45than she gave me
43:46but yeah
43:50anytime
43:50anytime I heard
43:51anyone saying
43:52my name
43:53I mean I was
43:54perspiring
43:54profusely
43:55and you know
43:57I would look
43:57the same colour
43:57as your shoes
43:58you know
43:59so yeah
44:01I was terrified
44:01never heard my name
44:02but I think
44:03knowing that
44:04knowing that Rachel
44:05could have been
44:06going behind my back
44:07and I know
44:07how influential
44:08Rachel was
44:09in that castle
44:09and I think
44:10we all
44:10kind of
44:11were in awe
44:12really of how
44:13Rachel moved
44:13around the circles
44:14and everyone
44:15and just has
44:15such a kind of
44:16gravity in her
44:18in her way
44:19of conducting herself
44:20and so I just knew
44:21that I stood
44:21no chance
44:22if I just didn't
44:23say anything
44:24about Rachel
44:25you know
44:25because
44:26she could say
44:27one line
44:27and it would
44:27just take me down
44:28so yeah
44:29I was terrified
44:29we think
44:31on Uncloats
44:31that a lot
44:32of your perspiring
44:32was down to the fact
44:33you wore
44:33really big jumpers
44:34let's talk about
44:37your fashion sense
44:37in general
44:38because it's been
44:38an absolute
44:39delight this series
44:40thank you very much
44:41thinking
44:41I hope Stephen
44:42doesn't get banished
44:43because I want to
44:43see my friend
44:44for breakfast tomorrow
44:45you know
44:45so I
44:46before going
44:48into the castle
44:49I know
44:51I've got
44:52a very red face
44:53right
44:53so this is
44:54something that
44:55you know
44:55my partner
44:56did say to me
44:57what the hell
44:58are you going to do
44:58about your face
44:59in there
44:59and well
45:01so I thought
45:02if I distract them
45:03from the neck down
45:04maybe they won't
45:07notice the neck up
45:08so I just
45:10I thought
45:10if I wear clothes
45:11that are
45:12a bit flamboyant
45:13and loud
45:13then maybe
45:14they'll just be going
45:14oh Stephen
45:15you look really great
45:16rather than
45:18looking up here
45:18and going
45:19you're a traitor
45:20you know
45:21so it was all
45:22kind of tactics
45:23and I do also
45:23just love
45:24kind of
45:24that kind of
45:25fashion as well
45:26but I do think
45:27it kind of helped
45:28distract a little bit
45:29well you look fantastic
45:30I mean I obviously
45:31get the episodes
45:31a little bit early
45:32so we can do
45:32uncloaked
45:33and I watch
45:33the first episode
45:34and everyone's going
45:35what do you think
45:36of it
45:36everyone who works
45:37on uncloaked
45:37and I said
45:37where did Stephen
45:38get his jacket from
45:39yeah you and the
45:40rest of the country
45:40are asking me
45:41the same question
45:42tailor made apparently
45:42above your station
45:44already
45:45finally what does
45:48the money mean
45:49to you both
45:50Rachel let's
45:50start with you
45:51it just means
45:52an opportunity
45:53for my family
45:54do you know
45:55a nice time
45:57nice memories
45:58and lots of fun
45:59and that's what
46:01it's all about
46:01what about you
46:02Stephen
46:03I think like I said
46:04you kind of start
46:07to realise
46:07how much
46:08your kind of
46:09family gave up
46:09for you
46:10when you were younger
46:10and I think
46:11just being able
46:11to hopefully
46:12try and give
46:12something back
46:13would just be
46:15great for me
46:16I just really hope
46:17I can do for them
46:18what they've done
46:19for me previously
46:20so
46:20well look
46:21you've all been
46:21absolutely incredible
46:22thank you so much
46:23to all five of you
46:24for coming on
46:24uncloaked
46:25and entertaining us
46:26so effortlessly
46:27throughout the whole
46:27course of the game
46:28a massive round of applause
46:30for our finalists
46:30Jack and James
46:32and our first
46:33point-taker win
46:34is Stephen and Rachel
46:35and keep the round
46:37of applause going
46:37for the one and only
46:38Claudia Winkleman
46:39the chat continues
46:43in your BBC Sounds
46:44bonus episode
46:45with more from
46:46Jack, Faraz, Jade,
46:48Stephen, Rachel
46:49and Claude
46:49we're going to get
46:50loads more reaction
46:51from our finalists
46:52to all the gameplay
46:53this series
46:53and for the first time ever
46:55we're putting questions
46:56to the players
46:56from you the listener
46:58to hear that
46:58just scan the on-screen
46:59QR code
47:00or search for us
47:01in your BBC Sounds app
47:02it really is that simple
47:03now if you've seen
47:05all the fun our players
47:06have had
47:06and all the cash
47:07our winners have won
47:08and you fancy your chances
47:09then why not apply
47:10to be on series 5
47:11just head to
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47:13forward slash
47:13take part
47:14where you'll find
47:15all the info you need
47:16and if you can't
47:17get enough traitors
47:18then the first two episodes
47:19of the Traitors Island
47:20are now available
47:21on BBC iPlayer
47:23and that's that
47:24this series had it all
47:25fake jobs
47:26hidden relationships
47:27a confessional booth
47:28a ceremonial dagger
47:29a secret traitor
47:31one enormous outburst
47:32around the kitchen island
47:33and a cat amongst
47:34the pigeons
47:34Roxy
47:35what more could you ask for
47:38thank you for watching
47:39this series of Uncloaked
47:40I'm Ed Gamble
47:41stay faithful
47:42applause
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