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The Traitors UK Uncloaked Season 4 Episode 11
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00:00Hello and welcome to episode 11 of the Traitors Uncloaked, your official visualized companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:07The final is within touching distance. We are one day away from finding out how everything ends, and what a cliffhanger we ended on today.
00:14So, spoiler alert, make sure you've caught up with episode 11 on iPlayer, please, then come back and enjoy this edition of Uncloaked.
00:21Coming up, Roxy is here, fresh from murder, to tell us all about her castle experience.
00:26It's an Uncloaked family reunion. Roxy's mum, Judy, is back. Plus, he's a hundy.
00:32Celebrity faithful Joe Marler is here, along with devious Series 3 traitor, Mina.
00:43Joe, Mina, welcome. Welcome back to Uncloaked. Lovely to have you here. You're part of the furniture now.
00:51Interesting. You're always here.
00:52We are the furniture.
00:53What parts? What parts? What furniture are we?
00:56Mmm, good question. Difficult to move away from thinking that you're a couch or a fridge.
01:02Right. And Mina?
01:04Mina, a really lovely curtain.
01:07Oh! A curtain!
01:09Just thinking of the most ornate possible thing.
01:12Just... Fair enough.
01:13Let's talk about your thoughts on the series as a whole so far.
01:16Ed.
01:17How have you enjoyed it?
01:18My adrenaline from every episode...
01:21Yeah.
01:21Like, I can't go to bed straight after watching it. I need, like, two hours to just, like, come down from the high of Traitors.
01:27Also, it finishes at 9pm, Mina.
01:29Okay, I've got a child.
01:30Okay, fine.
01:31Can you give me that? Thank you.
01:33I mean, no one's going to bed straight after Traitors, are they? Because they all want to tune into Uncloaked.
01:37Well played. Really good.
01:39What about you, Joe? How have you found the series as a whole?
01:42Oh, I loved it. So hard. It's just... I didn't think it could get better.
01:48And it was also weird, the come down off of our series, and it's like, oh, now I get to be the fan again rather than take part in it.
01:57And I was like, oh, is it going to be the same? Because I've actually experienced it.
02:01Is it going to be the same watching it back now? And yes.
02:05It's better almost.
02:06It's way better. I really enjoy, even though I'm faithful through and through, I do really love Rachel and Stephen and the way they've gone about it and the way they've played.
02:17Well, we need to talk about Stephen and Rachel because we need to talk about that cliffhanger.
02:20We're now looking at two very different possibilities for how tomorrow's final could play out.
02:26We either have Stephen as a lone traitor battling for faithful, or we have James banished and a very fragile dynamic between Rachel and Stephen going into that final day.
02:35Were we surprised to see Rachel in so much trouble?
02:39What I think she shouldn't have done is what she said to Stephen in the turret, that if I start talking about you...
02:45Because Stephen would have never, ever said anything about her, but she said that.
02:49And then he thought, hang on, are we just solo now?
02:52What I love is that Faraz has come to the party.
02:56Yeah.
02:57I'd like to reference...
02:58Oh, sorry, we should say on Uncloat, Joe brings in his little notebook.
03:01Why do you say it like that, mate?
03:03No, no, let's break that down.
03:04Just in case people didn't see the first time you were on Uncloat, this series...
03:08It was the emphasis you put on little.
03:10Well, it is a little notebook, Joe.
03:11Okay, back to Faraz.
03:13Yes.
03:13I love that he's just, like, bided his time.
03:16I don't think there's been any strategy in it.
03:18I think he's just bided his time by just enjoying being there.
03:22Yeah.
03:22Just, like, enjoying the ride.
03:24Yeah.
03:24And then when he's sort of looked around and gone, hang on, there's not that many people
03:28left.
03:29Yeah.
03:29Oh, I should start playing the game now.
03:31And he's really brought it.
03:32Yeah.
03:32Now he's brought Rachel to the table.
03:34It's a really good way of playing.
03:35Very bold.
03:36And it seems like people are following him as well.
03:38Yeah, they're listening to him.
03:39They trust him.
03:40Yeah.
03:40They believe in him.
03:41I think, obviously, Rachel has had heat on her throughout the game.
03:44She's had way more heat than you ever did, Mina.
03:46Yeah.
03:47So it's not that thing of going, we need to look at people who haven't had heat.
03:49But all of the heat was dismissed and it was mad.
03:51And so it was like the Fiona explosion.
03:54Yes.
03:54And then Harriet.
03:54It was the Harriet meltdown.
03:57It was all of these things where people go, well, it can't be that.
03:59It can't be that.
04:00It must be them.
04:00Do you know what I think Rachel's really good at?
04:03Just staying composed.
04:04Like, she convinces me that she's a faithful and I know she's a traitor.
04:08But she'll be like, well, I'm not a traitor.
04:11And you're like, actually, she could be on something here.
04:13She's not a traitor.
04:14It'll be that FBI training she had.
04:16Where can you go for that training?
04:18I don't think you can.
04:19Because I should have gone for that training.
04:21I think you have to join the FBI.
04:23Or watch Men in Black loads of times.
04:25Just over and over.
04:27Yeah, I've noticed that she keeps trying to erase people's memories at the round table,
04:30doesn't she?
04:31Just a normal pen.
04:32Just Ben coming out.
04:32She's just, she's played such a phenomenal game because I feel like she had no idea that
04:38Fiona was going to do that.
04:40And I thought that was the roguest thing I've ever seen anyone do on Traitors ever.
04:43But she just adapted straight away, nothing phases her, nothing gets her flustered.
04:47And that round table, she was just like, who was in the cages?
04:51I was like, how have you even remembered this?
04:54Do you think she could have done a better job there, though, by, rather than bringing
04:58Steven up as a possibility with that, just like doubling down and going after James even
05:04harder?
05:04Do you know what I mean?
05:05Rather than actually bringing another name to the table, her traitor mate.
05:09Yeah.
05:10I don't think she needed to at that point, to be honest.
05:12I think she had that in her back pocket, but whether she should have waited until she
05:17definitely needed to do it.
05:19I mean, speaking of Steven versus Rachel, let's just remind ourselves of this delicious
05:22bit.
05:23I was going to ask you tonight, Rachel, the one thing that was on my mind was about the
05:30Fiona situation as well.
05:31And I thought the way you took Fiona down at the following round table to me seemed like
05:38a real carbon copy of how Harriet took Hugo down.
05:41And we all know that that meant that Harriet was in such a kind of like celebrated faithful
05:45amongst the group, right?
05:46And I thought, is that a traitor that's kind of looked at what someone's done and the reaction
05:52they got?
05:52And then tried to copy that, you know, cookie cutter style.
05:56I caught her in that lie.
05:58Yeah.
05:59And you could tell by my reaction.
06:01I was like, what the hell is going on?
06:03Love it.
06:04Love it.
06:04Cookie cutter.
06:04Cookie cutter.
06:05I like that.
06:06I thought that was great because he'd practiced that before, hadn't he?
06:09He'd sort of spread that around the castle a bit and he was like, I'm going to go for
06:13it here.
06:14What I love about this is they're both prepared for it.
06:17Yes.
06:17So Rachel comes for him.
06:18He's a little bit taken about that it's happening right now, but then he's got his arguments
06:21as well.
06:22I think it might be more convincing if he wasn't sweating profusely.
06:25Oh, honestly, I love Stephen.
06:27He's so Alan, isn't he?
06:28I love Stephen so much.
06:30But even then, he just seems so nervous.
06:33We always say on Traitors it's about consistency of behaviour, right?
06:36So Rachel's always been very calm and very chill.
06:39And Stephen has been red and sweaty for the whole thing.
06:41Consistently.
06:42Yeah.
06:42If he stopped sweating, people would be like, oh boy, something's up with Stephen.
06:46Yeah.
06:46What do we think Stephen wants to happen in the Chests of Chance?
06:49I think if he's smart, he's going to want Rachel to go.
06:51Yeah.
06:52Because they need to confirm a traitor tonight.
06:54Yeah.
06:55If they don't, then I think the faithful can't relax and I think there's more chance that
06:59he can't win then.
07:00If Rachel goes, and obviously this is the last time anyone can reveal their role, so she
07:05will have to reveal that she's a traitor.
07:07As a faithful, do you think they are looking at people who did vote for Rachel or didn't
07:12vote for Rachel?
07:13I think Stephen will want Rachel to go.
07:16Yeah.
07:16Because it gives the faithfuls a traitor and I think.
07:19And there's enough suspicion on James still.
07:22Yeah.
07:23For him to then angle with that one.
07:25Yeah.
07:26I mean, if James makes it through the Chests of Chance, bless him, he is first to go at
07:30that next round table.
07:31The final round table before the end game, he's gone.
07:33Yeah.
07:34He's wild.
07:35He's an enigma.
07:36He's been brilliant.
07:37Every episode he's been brilliant.
07:38For both traitors and faithfuls.
07:39Yeah.
07:39Like, he is just, they're like, we can't get rid of him because he causes so much chaos.
07:45We can't keep him, he causes so much chaos.
07:47Yeah.
07:47He's just been brilliant the whole way through.
07:49I think I'm the only person in the country who thinks he did quite well at this round
07:53table.
07:53Because what convinces me is his argument of, well, I'm just throwing things out because
07:58I've got nothing to hide.
07:58I'm a faithful.
07:59They're going, but you're so confusing, James.
08:01He's like, yeah, I'm just literally having a thought and saying it out loud because I don't
08:04need to put a filter in place.
08:05I think that's a clear, obvious sign for me that he is, if I was in there, that he
08:11is a faithful.
08:12Yeah.
08:12Because if he was a traitor, he'd be gone when Hugo went.
08:15Because you can't be that bad as a traitor and still be in.
08:19You just can't.
08:20So at the round table, Jack and Faraz were very forthcoming with their interrogation of
08:24Rachel.
08:25Joe, as a true Hundy faithful, how do you think they did?
08:28Did they make you proud?
08:29Yeah, they did.
08:30They've come a long way from Faraz milking Jack.
08:35They've come a long way and I'm really proud.
08:38How do we rate the chances of the faithful going into the final?
08:41Because obviously we've got Jade, Jack, Faraz and at the moment that we know of, James,
08:47right?
08:47Potentially James.
08:48What do they need to do to win?
08:50If we go down the route of Rachel not going and she doesn't do a good enough job to spin
08:55it on Stephen, in her attempt, they'll get rid of her and then she'll have thrown enough
09:01evidence towards Stephen to make the others feel like they can't trust him.
09:05Yeah, yeah.
09:05So then they won't end the game with Stephen.
09:07Yeah.
09:07He's gone.
09:08Then it comes down to, is there still enough doubt over Jade, even if Faraz and Jack haven't
09:15been suspicious of her?
09:16I'm not going to lie.
09:17I can see a world where Stephen wins.
09:19And I feel like because he's been so consistent and the library thing got squashed with Fiona
09:26going, traitor, fab.
09:28So he can always say, well, it wasn't me in the cage.
09:31I was framed, especially if Rachel goes and she brought that up.
09:35Yeah.
09:36He could be like, well, she's bringing that up again.
09:38She's the one that put me in there.
09:40There's a world where he could win.
09:41There is.
09:42OK, now time to talk to a true faithful, a certified hundi.
09:46The brilliant Roxy did so well to get so far, but tonight we saw her murdered just one
09:50day before the final.
09:53Roxy, by order of the traitors, you have been murdered.
09:58Signed, the traitors.
10:02I kind of knew it today because I went so hard at the table.
10:05I think I was going for the traitors and I think they know it.
10:07But honestly, I'm so proud of myself for getting this far.
10:10I would love for Stephen or Rachel to win.
10:14I think they're both amazing people and I think they've hopefully been faithful and
10:20honest throughout the process.
10:22But yeah, it's been a ball.
10:25And Roxy's here now.
10:29Roxy.
10:31Roxy, where do we begin?
10:33Oh, no.
10:34Your last words in the game were hoping that Stephen and Rachel win.
10:37You pinpointed the two traitors.
10:40Why did you have them both pegged as definitely faithful?
10:43I trust people quite easily and I really just built friendships with those two and I just
10:48trusted them.
10:49Yeah, I had to trust them with my life like I did.
10:51Look how it turned out.
10:53In fairness to you, you didn't in that clip say, I hope the faithful Rachel and Stephen win.
11:01Yeah, you see.
11:02You just said, I hope Rachel or Stephen win.
11:05So maybe you're just team traitors.
11:07But then if you listen, Roxy did then say, and I hope they've been faithful.
11:09Yeah.
11:11Ignore that bit.
11:12I only heard that.
11:13Yeah.
11:13That's fine.
11:15Mina and Joe, you both know what it's like to be so near yet so far, you know, almost getting
11:20to the end of the game.
11:21Do you have some words of comfort for Roxy in this difficult time?
11:24I think, know that you played a really good game.
11:27Yeah.
11:27But the issue is they were limited as to who they could murder and Faraz had actually
11:31said to Rachel, don't kill me tonight.
11:34Yeah.
11:34Yeah.
11:34And I think that's just what saved it for him.
11:36I think so.
11:37Yeah.
11:38The advice I can offer you is that unfortunately you'll live with that heartbreak for the rest
11:42of your life.
11:42Honestly, it really does hurt.
11:44And I'm there with you because I feel exactly the same.
11:47I don't think you could have done anything more.
11:49No.
11:49At least you can look at it going, I played it the best of my ability.
11:53Yeah.
11:54And that was it.
11:54You couldn't have done anything.
11:56Maybe get the shield at the end, but even that's out of your hands.
11:59And you tried.
12:00Yeah.
12:00What I love the most, Roxy, is that you did mention both of them.
12:04Yeah.
12:04But you, in your heart, somewhere you thought, is someone keeping me here?
12:07And you said both of their names at the end.
12:09I just asked them and I was like, okay, you're a faithful.
12:12At least I asked them.
12:13I did like that though.
12:14You were like, are you a traitor?
12:15And they said no.
12:15And you went, great, okay, thanks.
12:17I just wanted to share with you my thoughts.
12:20Like, I'm just concerned and I just wanted to kind of put it to you, I guess.
12:26All I can say to you is that I'm not a traitor.
12:29You can't even say it.
12:30I'm so faithful.
12:31But I don't really have anything else to say because I'm not actually keeping you here because
12:35I'm not a traitor.
12:36I'm not only asking myself, I've got to ask.
12:40Just my close people, I've got to do it.
12:42Just my own peace of mind.
12:43No.
12:44No.
12:44I have to.
12:45I love it.
12:46Yeah.
12:46I hate it.
12:46I love you to bits.
12:48But no, it's not me.
12:49It's awful.
12:50No, no.
12:50Come here.
12:51But I can't not ask.
12:52No, it's not me.
12:53I know.
12:54No, it's not.
12:54I don't think it is.
12:55I haven't thought it is.
12:56I know.
12:57But you have to ask.
12:57I'm not sure you have to ask.
12:59They were both very convincing.
13:01But in different ways.
13:02Yeah.
13:02They really were.
13:03Like Rachel more on the emotional strings.
13:05Yeah.
13:06And then looking at Stephen now, like, he's only lying.
13:09He could barely say, I'm not traitor.
13:12He literally just done an Alan Carr and laughed.
13:15Yeah.
13:15I just love hearing him say the word traitor.
13:17Yeah.
13:17Yeah.
13:18Yeah.
13:18Traitor.
13:18That's why I asked him.
13:19Yeah.
13:21No, but I just trust them both so much.
13:22And I don't regret it because that's who I am as a person.
13:26Yeah.
13:26So, yeah, it is what it is.
13:28You're just Roxy.
13:29That's it, you see.
13:30Oh, God, don't let me steal my mum's phrase.
13:32Let me hear the end of it.
13:34Never live that down.
13:36Why do you think Stephen's not attracted more suspicion throughout the game?
13:39Because obviously Jesse was really hot on his tail.
13:42Green Jesse, yeah.
13:43But people weren't really picking up what she was putting down.
13:46Do you know what he is?
13:47And, like, in life as well, he is just the loveliest person.
13:51Yeah.
13:51Like, he's just this lovely, floaty, nice character.
13:54So, you just find it really hard to believe that he's got it in him.
13:57But he has, obviously.
13:58Yeah, I think even watching him knowing he's a traitor,
14:01there's a lot of warmth that really comes through the screen.
14:04I mean, you know, personality warmth and genuine warmth for that guy.
14:08Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:09Because he's sweating his butt off.
14:10Yeah, constantly.
14:11And it's always bright red.
14:12Yeah, huge jumper.
14:14Which is nice.
14:14But it's also, like, Rachel should be getting as much plaudits or...
14:19Oh, as a traitor?
14:20Yeah.
14:20Because, as a traitor, she's been one of the best we've seen.
14:23Yeah.
14:23But when she gave you a hug and said that she wasn't a traitor,
14:26did you buy it immediately?
14:27Do you know what I did?
14:28And I actually felt bad for asking her the question,
14:31because I felt like I'd made her upset.
14:33So I was like, I feel like I didn't even need to ask the question
14:35to already think that she wasn't a traitor,
14:37but I just was like, I have to.
14:38If it was, like, a lesser traitor than Rachel,
14:40I think you could have seen a flicker of something across her face,
14:43but she is just so solid.
14:44Oh, honestly, like, nothing rocks that woman.
14:46No.
14:47She's amazing.
14:48Yeah, yeah, she is.
14:49Last night, we also saw Faraz come to you
14:51and air his suspicions of Rachel.
14:53Your response was incredible,
14:55where, you know when you can just tell someone's done?
14:57Yeah, yeah.
14:57But you're like, oh, no, get me out of this game.
15:00Yeah.
15:00She's like, get me off this earth.
15:01But, yeah, I think Faraz, unreal job.
15:04I really am rooting for him now,
15:06because I think he's just put the pieces together,
15:07whether it's too late or not, I don't know.
15:09Yeah.
15:09Can he mobilise enough people?
15:11Is there any part of you that's a little bit annoyed at him,
15:14that goes, why didn't you come to the table earlier?
15:18Why did you let us...
15:19Like, you've been quite vocal from the off.
15:21Yeah.
15:22Since losing your mum, you've been like,
15:23right, I'm going after X, Y and Z.
15:25Yeah, yeah.
15:26You know, he hasn't really brought it to the party
15:28and it's enabled him to go under the radar a bit.
15:30It has, but I think what I love about Faraz
15:33is that he didn't necessarily have the confidence
15:35at the beginning, so he really grew into himself.
15:37And I think at the time where he is in the game,
15:40he's now fully confident and comfortable
15:42to say those things.
15:43Like, he's been on quite a nice journey, if you ask me.
15:45So I won't hold it against him,
15:47but yeah, he could have bloody spoke up earlier.
15:50So it's going to be Rachel or James
15:52who are banished at this round table.
15:54If you were at that round table tonight,
15:56would you at all be swayed by the arguments
15:58from Faraz and Jack to vote for Rachel, do you think?
16:01No.
16:03You were pretty set on James.
16:04I'm so glad you didn't lie.
16:05Honestly, I had a bee in my bonnet about James.
16:09I think I still do.
16:10I'm like, I still think he's a traitor somehow.
16:13But yeah, we'll see.
16:15What was it about James?
16:16Because it got to the point where you were saying,
16:18I think you could have masterminded this whole thing.
16:20You could have...
16:21So basically you thought he was
16:22the most incredible traitor of all time
16:23and a mastermind criminal.
16:25Yeah, I guess you could say that.
16:27Because nobody was looking at him
16:29and I was like thinking I cracked some big mystery.
16:32I was just thinking he...
16:34Because of his personality,
16:36people thought he wouldn't have the ability
16:37to do the traitor role.
16:39So I was like, that's the perfect guys
16:40for the traitor,
16:41just sort of hide behind the big personality.
16:43So I was just running and running
16:45and running with that.
16:47But I think with the stealing of the shield,
16:49at that point I was like,
16:50it's got to be him because I was just like,
16:52he wants it because he's a traitor.
16:53Oh, yeah.
16:54So I just couldn't stop with that, unfortunately.
16:57Well, a lot of it I think ends up
16:58being confirmation biased, doesn't it?
17:00Where you think it's someone
17:01so everything they do from that going on...
17:02You think everything they can do becomes proof.
17:05Which I think you and James,
17:06love it or not, have in common.
17:08Because he's the same.
17:08He's like, it's Matty.
17:10It is.
17:10The dagger points at him.
17:11He was nuts, yeah.
17:12The dagger's pointing at him.
17:13Full Matt.
17:16Roxy, let's talk about
17:17what we've seen from James after you left.
17:20Would his urgency in the uphill mission
17:21have changed your mind at all?
17:23No.
17:23No.
17:25Honestly, nothing would have changed my mind, really.
17:27When he went back
17:28and he was throwing those gold things,
17:31I thought, James,
17:32if you run out of gold
17:33and you have to go back with nothing,
17:35you are done.
17:36You're actually done.
17:37Just don't go back, James.
17:38Or if they run out of time
17:39because you've puked up
17:40and then fallen over him.
17:42What have you done?
17:42He was always going to puke
17:44or faint
17:44after the way he sprinted off
17:47at the start.
17:48Like you're saying bolt,
17:49just gone.
17:50And you're like,
17:50where is he going?
17:52Yeah, literally.
17:53He doesn't even know
17:54where he's going.
17:55The rest of the crowd
17:55are like,
17:56should we change the pace?
17:57We all have to stay together
17:57at the end anyway.
17:59Yeah.
17:59Yeah, no.
18:00But I understand his instinct.
18:01He was so gutted
18:02about Matty the night before.
18:03Yeah.
18:04He really wanted to prove himself.
18:05He wanted to do something
18:06for the team.
18:06Yeah.
18:07But then it was
18:09Faraz laughing
18:10on the way back
18:11from the mission
18:11that got me.
18:12Yeah, that got me.
18:12Kept laughing about it.
18:13He's all green.
18:15He's getting projectile vomited green.
18:16Yeah.
18:17It was really funny.
18:19Oh, so good.
18:20That was my favourite moment
18:23from a mission this year,
18:24I have to say.
18:25It was just so chaotic,
18:27but that's my favourite thing
18:29about James.
18:29You just don't know
18:30what you're getting from him.
18:31But it's going to be great,
18:33regardless what it is.
18:34Roxy, what's it like
18:35watching the game
18:36now you're out
18:37and you can see Jade
18:38navigating the game
18:39as a faithful?
18:39What do we think
18:40her chances are?
18:41She's had a lot of suspicion.
18:42She has,
18:43but she's so strong
18:45and she speaks so eloquently.
18:46And I think
18:47if she maintains that
18:50and puts her arguments forward
18:51if she gets more heat,
18:52I actually think
18:53she might be an underdog
18:54to go, like, really far.
18:56Now, there's been
18:57some great secret connections
18:58in that castle this series.
18:59Social media has been
19:00rife with speculation.
19:02So now we have
19:03a little uncloaked
19:03exclusive for you.
19:05Here's the moment
19:05our banished and murdered cast
19:07got to open
19:07that elusive second scroll.
19:09And we promise you
19:10there are no other
19:11undisclosed connections left,
19:13apart from Sam
19:14being my brother.
19:15No, just messing.
19:16He's my son.
19:17Here we go.
19:17Here we go.
19:17Here we go.
19:20Right, Adam,
19:24thank you for my starter.
19:25I'm ready for my main course.
19:26Serve me up something nice.
19:29I shall try.
19:30I shall try.
19:32Secret relationships.
19:34Oh!
19:37What the hell?
19:39What is it?
19:41Ross
19:41and Ellie
19:44are a couple.
19:46So, Ross has another
19:49rela...
19:50No!
19:50Oh, my God!
19:52Shit.
19:53I can see it now.
19:54Oh, that's sweet, isn't it?
19:57They're both so tall.
19:59You and Ross are in a couple.
20:04So, all of the Nettie stuff...
20:07Ross...
20:08Oh!
20:13Ross.
20:15And Ellie!
20:16I would never have ever put them two together.
20:18I never had that at all.
20:21Right, next one.
20:21What else?
20:25You okay?
20:27Bloody hell,
20:27I can't believe this one.
20:28You're never gonna guess this.
20:30Go on, go on, go on.
20:31what how did we miss this what you know judy yeah it's roxy's mum no way
20:41oh my god mother and daughter oh roxy
20:50this has shocked me and that's why roxy didn't vote for her that's why roxy voted for james
21:01she couldn't vote for her mother oh my god that is amazing what
21:06sorry is she adopted yes oh my god oh goodness me and poor judy she wasn't there for long
21:19so my daughter i'm thinking go roxy go roxy i love that oh you must be so proud i'm so proud of her
21:26and roxy's mum judy is with us now
21:31welcome back to uncloak judy what was it like seeing the seeing the traitors murder
21:37roxy we actually filmed your reaction to that moment
21:40what oh oh oh roxy gone no oh no what how much a rock
21:54oh no rox it just goes to shower wrong with you i've been shouting them to you from the hilltops the
21:58whole game oh my baby do you feel sad for roxy yeah yes you know who else will be sad for her
22:09her mum
22:11judy
22:17no
22:19what
22:21how did you feel in that moment having to having to watch your daughter be be murdered on the traitors
22:34oh we're absolutely gutted i mean she's done so well but i were really gutted uh and i'm shouting
22:39at the the television because she's saying oh steven and rachel are so lovely they're so lovely i'm like
22:45what what so yeah there were a bit of that there was a like punching of the camera when you said that
22:51as well roxy where where he said i was i hope steven and rachel were you like
22:54now we saw your fellow players finding out about the truth about your secret relationship what was
23:05that like to watch for you both oh hilarious absolutely especially netty yeah you just couldn't
23:10get her head around it yeah netty was so shocked that's fun and maz and amanda as well so i was
23:15quite close to amanda in there and she did not have a clue she spent a lot of time with both of us
23:20at the very beginning that whole sequence where you're walking across to the gazebo yeah with
23:25amanda is incredible because we've we've just found out your mother and daughter yeah and then
23:29you're saying you're quite a loud lady aren't you yeah yeah that's what you said would you ever say
23:33that to anyone you've just met on a train to be honest i wouldn't put it past me but i was just
23:39like i'm just getting a few little slice shots in while i can do you know what i mean it's not
23:42every day you can't like tell you off or nothing yeah let's have a bit of fun with it yeah you're
23:48eating with your mouth open you're doing all this i did tell her or went in do you think if you'd have
23:52stayed in longer together some of that would have start creeping in oh yeah i'd have been going
23:56you would be telling her oh yeah roxy are you eating yeah i just got you banished i can feel it
24:03i mean look we all if we're outside the game we all say we'd be good at the game but i would have
24:08spotted this straight away yeah you're telling me you've since seen roxy that your mum suspected
24:14that you might be a traitor how did that feel well actually yeah it did hurt i was like what but then
24:20i must say i wrote in my journals i was journaling the first night i thought mum was a traitor at the
24:25table and the round table pick because she had a head like this and i was just looking at like
24:29look up look up look up but she's looking down i was like oh she's a traitor but then i was like
24:33i'll just keep that away for a bit and see how she gets on i didn't have to use it but i would have
24:38used it against her you more than anyone should know she's just herself she's just jude
24:42yeah she must be just straight treacherous then yeah that's just how i am just being myself
24:49yeah everybody kept saying all the time what you're doing what game you're in don't you i said yeah i'm
24:54i'm sure she was on her holidays
24:56all right yeah but you were yes this is it oh god here's the traitor's spin-off
25:03oh this is what we're looking for
25:05this would have proper you would have clashed heads
25:10throw them back in now yeah yeah yeah get them back in there tonight and stir it up
25:15yeah yeah could you tell us about the rest of your family's reactions to
25:19to the show how's it been watching it with them or getting their reactions to you two being on it
25:24well our brothers oh god especially our andrew yeah my oldest one yeah he's very serious our andrew
25:29isn't he oh no he is and his thing is watching it like what are you doing roxy like you just can't
25:35get over my uh my ways of not catching traitors yeah yeah yeah but they all loved it i mean we all
25:40had a family thing together and it would really lovely want it yeah yeah nice they're like they're
25:46all like go roxy go roxy and they're so proud of us because we've both got in together
25:49yeah yeah she's lovely isn't it uh but yeah i think they just can't believe that we're on telly
25:54no i think they're still quite shocked by it yeah i think next next series let's get the rest of your
25:58family let's get andrew in there and see if he can do any better roxy in episode nine at the dinner
26:06party it was very touching to hear you speak about your adoption if you don't mind we'd just like to play
26:11that moment again i was adopted by the most fantastic like wonderful woman who has shaped
26:20who i am and put her life on hold to get me to where i am now so i would love to do something
26:27so special to thank her um because yeah she's an absolute icon
26:32guys you're so lovely oh judy how did how did you feel watching that i don't do crying
26:38oh i can see your eyes glass you all right oh judy i don't do crying i never cry
26:44crazy yeah that's nice i just wiped my eyes on your jacket the most heartbreaking thing about this
26:54series is the fact that these two weren't in it for longer i know to see this unfold for the last
27:0011 episodes was just an attempt to conceal this that's what i was thinking like i'd love like
27:05halfway through episode six watching you two trying to convince everyone that you're not related
27:09i think yeah eventually i think people are looking at that family tree enough again there
27:20must be a family can oh it's them yeah yeah come on that's us for part one but you know we still have
27:27so much more to discuss with roxy and judy in your bbc sounds bonus episode i want to know all about
27:32the reactions they've had from the public plus i'll be asking roxy all about that breakfast clash with
27:37harriet and there's more from mina and joe too that's now available on bbc sounds scan this qr
27:42code on your screen to hear the rest of the conversation as you get your jammies on i'm
27:46back with the final uncloaked of the series getting all the reactions to that end game who will lose out
27:51in the chests of chance will it be rachel or james not long to find out i'll be joined by all this year's
27:57players in front of a live audience plus for the first time ever we are giving you the opportunity to
28:03put your questions to the finalists and claudia so if you've got something you want to ask send
28:08your question to uncloaked at bbc.co.uk along with your name and location and listen out tomorrow to
28:14our bbc sounds bonus episode to see if it gets answered my thanks to roxy judy mina and joe marler
28:20i'm ed gamble stay faithful
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