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01:29The Italian government said they can join as it stands.
01:33What's that concern?
01:34I think that the same, Dadasz.
01:37That this goes beyond Gaza
01:40that there can be a clash with some principles
01:43of international law.
01:45Because it started as Gaza.
01:46Now it seems it's a private U.N.
01:47It should be Gaza because
01:49the Security Council resolution
01:52creates the Board of Peace for Gaza.
01:55That's the only task for which it's mandated
01:58i tak jest jak powinno być.
02:01So, we are all Europy,
02:02we are looking at that,
02:03and the legal and the political implications
02:06of this board of peace.
02:07And you prefer a joint position,
02:09an EU joint position,
02:10that would be the ideal?
02:10I would prefer.
02:12There are some countries
02:13that have already announced their choice,
02:15but we are still discussing among ourselves.
02:17So, some would say this Davos
02:19shows that it really is the force
02:20and the survival of the Fed
02:21and really the racketeering of the world.
02:24Everything now is a competition
02:25or competition for global resources and power.
02:28Is that the impression that you get?
02:30Not at all.
02:30Not at all.
02:31There are some countries
02:32that might like a world like this.
02:36But once again,
02:36we are more the ones
02:38that we stand for our principles
02:39and we are going to continue doing it.
02:42But when you see this whole context
02:43of a global race for resources,
02:46for rare earth,
02:48when you see President Trump saying
02:49we are the strength of the world,
02:51does that not tell you
02:52the world is changing now
02:53in a way that perhaps
02:54is not compatible with those values?
02:55Certainly, there are countries
02:57that think that war
02:59or the threat of the use of force,
03:01it's another tool of foreign policy.
03:03But once again,
03:05us Europeans,
03:06our responsibility,
03:08it's even greater than before.
03:10We have to stand strong
03:12on our values.
03:14And our values are those of democracy,
03:16of international law
03:17and defending peace.
03:19But values is not a strategy.
03:20So what is a strategy
03:21for Spain and for Europe?
03:23If you say we are the alternative
03:24and we can present
03:25a better alternative,
03:26what is it?
03:28Values are the core
03:30of what we are as Europeans.
03:31If we lose our values,
03:32we renounce to be ourselves.
03:34Now it's more important than ever
03:36that our security,
03:39our well-being,
03:40remains in our hands.
03:41We have to remove
03:42the last obstacles
03:43of the single market
03:44to be even stronger economically.
03:47We have to tell everyone
03:49that we have the instruments
03:51to deter any coercion,
03:53whether it comes from trade
03:54or from the economy.
03:56And we need enterprises
03:58that can be in competition
04:00everywhere in the world,
04:01including in the digital world.
04:03And finally,
04:04we need the security,
04:05the European security,
04:06the deterrence in our hands.
04:08So we have to start to move
04:10towards a European army.
04:11Towards a European army?
04:13Absolutely.
04:13And what would that look like?
04:14Because it's been pitched in the past
04:16and rejected every time.
04:17Why is this time
04:17going to be different?
04:18It was at the very beginning
04:19of our founding fathers.
04:20It was rejected.
04:21In the 50s,
04:22we were very, very close to doing it.
04:23Europeans were willing
04:24to die for Europe?
04:25Certainly.
04:26If we want to continue
04:27being a soil of peace
04:29in which no one can bring war
04:31or no one can use coercion on us,
04:34either the threat of the use of force
04:37or trade coercion,
04:39we need to have the deterrence
04:41in our hands.
04:42And we need also
04:43a first coalition of the willings
04:46on European security.
04:49Secondly,
04:49an integration
04:50of our industries of defense
04:52and, at the end,
04:53a European army.
04:54The United States
04:55has really bullied,
04:56now that you obviously
04:57talk about solidarity,
04:59it has really bullied
04:59the Danish government
05:00over Greenland
05:01to the extent that they said
05:02if you don't sell it,
05:03we're going to put tariffs.
05:04It seems he's now walking away
05:05from the tariffs,
05:06but how is that acceptable?
05:08The scenes that we've seen
05:09over the past two weeks,
05:10is that an acceptable way
05:11of doing things?
05:12Certainly not.
05:13Certainly the first...
05:14Still, there's a deal by NATO.
05:15He won.
05:16The pressure,
05:17the pressure on Denmark
05:19and on Greenland
05:20must stop.
05:21Spain has been very clear
05:22since the very beginning.
05:23The future of Greenland
05:25belongs to the people
05:26of Greenland
05:27and to the Danish people.
05:29And the people of Greenland
05:30have said it very clearly.
05:31They want to remain
05:32as a part of Denmark.
05:34They want to remain
05:35as a part of an EU member state.
05:37And have you heard
05:38any information, Minister,
05:39about what this deal entails
05:41over NATO?
05:42You are an ally of NATO.
05:43Denmark is too.
05:44I suppose you would want to know
05:46what is it that NATO
05:47has worked at
05:48with the U.S. president.
05:49Do you know anything about this?
05:50Well, it's not NATO.
05:51It's the Secretary General of NATO.
05:53But he is NATO.
05:53Talking to one of the allies.
05:55We are all NATO.
05:56Of course they are NATO.
05:57Of course.
05:57And it's normal
05:58that the president of a country
06:00talks to the Secretary General of NATO.
06:02The president of Spain
06:02has talked on bilateral.
06:04We all do it.
06:05But on this announcement,
06:08the only thing I know
06:09is the announcement
06:10that was made yesterday.
06:11I talked to the ministers
06:12of foreign affairs
06:13of other allied countries.
06:15They have the same information
06:16than me.
06:17Just the announcement.
06:18And I'm sure
06:18that whatever has been discussed
06:20will be brought
06:21to the Council of NATO.
06:24And just finally,
06:25Spain is a big player
06:26in Latin America.
06:27You pushed very hard
06:28for the trade deal
06:28of Mercosur,
06:29which is now finally
06:30through the finish line.
06:31You said geopolitically
06:32it was very, very important
06:33to get it done.
06:34But of course,
06:34the continent is also
06:35in a moment of transition
06:36because of the dramatic
06:38arrest and capture
06:40of Nicolás Maduro
06:41in Venezuela.
06:42How do you see
06:43this relationship
06:44going forward?
06:44And you've always talked
06:45about a democratic transition.
06:46That's not happening.
06:48Certainly,
06:49Latin America
06:50is the closest region
06:52to the European Union.
06:53and we have all to win
06:55to be together.
06:56Mercosur,
06:57it's really,
06:58really good news.
07:00As for Venezuela,
07:01what we want for Venezuela
07:03is a wide dialogue
07:04among the government
07:06and the opposition
07:07that will bring
07:08a peaceful
07:09and democratic solution
07:11from within
07:13the Venezuelan people,
07:14not from the outside.
07:15Are you concerned
07:16that President Trump
07:16seems to really care
07:17about the oil first?
07:19The oil
07:20and the natural resources
07:21of Venezuela
07:22belong to the Venezuelan
07:23people
07:24and it's a part
07:25of their sovereignty.
07:26That must be part
07:27of this broad dialogue
07:28among Venezuelans as well.
07:30And just lastly,
07:31Spain was very outspoken
07:32when it comes to Gaza
07:33and you were very outspoken
07:34about the idea
07:35of the two states' solution.
07:37Is there any hope
07:38that we are going to see
07:40that manifest
07:40in the next year?
07:41Because it seems to me
07:42this conversation
07:43has now really stalled.
07:44If we want peace,
07:46stability and security
07:47for everyone
07:48in the Middle East,
07:49including for Israel
07:51and Israeli people,
07:53we have to put
07:53in place
07:54the two states' solution.
07:55And that means
07:55also a viable
07:57and realistic
07:58Palestinian state
07:59living next to Israel.
08:00And in 2026,
08:02it seems to me
08:02it's lost momentum.
08:03I hope so.
08:04It's high time.
08:06Too much innocent blood
08:08has been there
08:10for decades.
08:12It's high time
08:12that we put in place
08:14the two states' solution.
08:15Well, Minister,
08:15thank you very much
08:16for joining us.
08:17Thank you.
08:17Thank you.
08:17Thank you.
08:17Thank you.
08:17Thank you.
08:19Thank you.
08:20Thank you.
08:20Thank you.
08:21Thank you.
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