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00:00So, Mina, welcome. Welcome back to Uncloaked.
00:08Lovely to have you here. You're part of the furniture now.
00:11Interesting. You're always here.
00:13We are the furniture.
00:14What parts?
00:15What parts?
00:16What furniture are we?
00:17Mmm, good question.
00:19Difficult to move away from thinking that you're a couch or a fridge.
00:23Right. And Mina?
00:25Mina, a really lovely curtain.
00:28Oh!
00:29A cursor.
00:30Just thinking of the most ornate possible thing.
00:33Just...
00:33Fair enough.
00:34Let's talk about your thoughts on the series as a whole so far.
00:37Ed.
00:38How have you enjoyed it?
00:39My adrenaline from every episode.
00:42Yeah.
00:42Like, I can't go to bed straight after watching it.
00:44I need like two hours to just like come down from the high of Traitors.
00:48Also, it finishes at 9pm, Mina.
00:50Okay, I've got a child.
00:51Okay, fine, fair enough.
00:52Can you give me that? Thank you, thank you.
00:53I mean, no one's going to bed straight after Traitors, are they?
00:56Because they all want to tune into Uncloaked.
00:57Well played.
00:59Really good.
01:00What about you, Joe?
01:01How have you found the series as a whole?
01:02Oh, I loved it.
01:04So hard.
01:05It's just...
01:06I didn't think it could get better.
01:09And it was also weird, the come down off of our series.
01:14And it's like, oh, now I get to be the fan again,
01:17rather than take part in it.
01:18And I was like, oh, is it going to be the same?
01:20Because I've actually experienced it.
01:23Is it going to be the same watching it back now?
01:25And yes.
01:26It's better almost.
01:27It's way better.
01:28Yeah.
01:28I really enjoy, even though I'm faithful through and through,
01:32I do really love Rachel and Stephen and the way they've gone about it
01:36and the way they've played.
01:38Well, we need to talk about Stephen and Rachel,
01:39because we need to talk about that cliffhanger.
01:41We're now looking at two very different possibilities
01:44for how tomorrow's final could play out.
01:46We either have Stephen as a lone traitor,
01:49battling for faithful, or we have James banished
01:52and a very fragile dynamic between Rachel and Stephen
01:55going into that final day.
01:57Were we surprised to see Rachel in so much trouble?
02:00What I think she shouldn't have done is what she said to Stephen
02:03in the turret, that if I start talking about you...
02:06Because Stephen would have never, ever said anything about her,
02:09but she said that, and then he thought, hang on,
02:12are we just solo now?
02:13What I love is that Faraz has come to the party.
02:17Yeah.
02:18I'd like to reference...
02:19Oh, sorry, we should say on Uncloats,
02:21Joe brings in his little notebook.
02:22Why do you say it like that, mate?
02:23But just in case people didn't see the first time
02:27you were on Uncloat This series...
02:29It was the emphasis you put on little.
02:31Well, it is a little notebook, Joe.
02:32Okay, back to Faraz.
02:34Yes.
02:34I love that he's just, like, bided his time.
02:37I don't think there's been any strategy in it.
02:39I think he's just bided his time by just enjoying being there.
02:43Yeah.
02:43Just, like, enjoying the ride.
02:45Yeah.
02:45And then when he's sort of looked around and gone,
02:47hang on, there's not that many people left.
02:49Yeah.
02:50Oh, I should start playing the game now.
02:52And he's really brought it out.
02:53Yeah.
02:53Now he's brought Rachel to the table.
02:55It's a really good way of playing.
02:56Very bold.
02:57And it seems like people are following him as well.
02:59Yeah, they're listening to him.
03:00They trust him.
03:00Yeah.
03:01They believe in him.
03:02And I think, obviously, Rachel has had heat on her
03:05throughout the game.
03:05She's had way more heat than you ever did, Mina.
03:07Yeah.
03:07So it's not that thing of going,
03:09we need to look at people who haven't had heat.
03:10But all of the heat was dismissed and it was mad.
03:13So it was like the Fiona explosion.
03:14Yes, and then Harriet.
03:15It was the Harriet meltdown.
03:18It was all of these things where people go,
03:19well, it can't be that, it can't be that.
03:20It must be them.
03:21Do you know what I think Rachel's really good at?
03:24Just staying composed.
03:25Like, she convinces me that she's a faithful
03:28and I know she's a traitor,
03:29but she'll be like, well, I'm not a traitor.
03:31And you're like, actually, she could be on something here.
03:34She's not a traitor.
03:35It'll be that FBI training she had.
03:38Where can you go for that training?
03:39I don't think you can.
03:40Because I should have gone for that training.
03:42I think you have to join the FBI.
03:44Or watch Men in Black loads of times.
03:46Just over and over.
03:48Yeah, I've noticed that she keeps trying to erase
03:49people's memories at the round table, doesn't she?
03:51Just a normal pen.
03:52Just Ben coming out.
03:53She's just, she's played such a phenomenal game
03:56because I feel like she had no idea
03:59that Fiona was going to do that.
04:01And I thought that was the roguest thing
04:02I've ever seen anyone do on Traitors ever.
04:04But she just adapted straight away.
04:06Nothing phases her, nothing gets her flustered.
04:08And that round table, she was just like,
04:10who was in the cages?
04:12I was like, how have you even remembered this?
04:14Do you think she could have done a better job there though?
04:17By, rather than bringing Steven up
04:20as a possibility with that,
04:22just like doubling down and going after James even harder.
04:25Do you know what I mean?
04:26Rather than actually bringing another name to the table,
04:29her Traitor mate.
04:30Yeah.
04:31I don't think she needed to at that point, to be honest.
04:33I think she had that in her back pocket.
04:36But whether she should have waited
04:38until she definitely needed to do it.
04:39I mean, speaking of Steven versus Rachel,
04:42let's just remind ourselves of this delicious bit.
04:44I was going to ask you tonight, Rachel,
04:48the one thing that was on my mind was about the Fiona situation as well.
04:52And I thought the way you took Fiona down at the following round table,
04:57Yeah.
04:58to me seemed like a real carbon copy of how Harriet took Hugo down.
05:02And we all know that that meant that Harriet was in such a kind of like,
05:05celebrated faithful amongst the group, right?
05:07And I thought, is that a Traitor that's kind of looked at what someone's done and the reaction
05:12they got? And then tried to copy that, you know, cookie cutter style.
05:18I caught her in that lie.
05:19Yeah.
05:20And you could tell by my reaction, I was like, what the hell is going on?
05:24Love it.
05:24Love it.
05:25Cookie cutter.
05:25Cookie cutter.
05:26I like that.
05:27I thought that was great, because he'd practiced that before, hadn't he?
05:30Yeah, you could tell.
05:30He'd sort of spread that around the castle a bit,
05:32and he was like, I'm going to go for it here.
05:34What I love about this is they're both prepared for it.
05:37Yes.
05:38So Rachel comes through him.
05:39He's a little bit taken about that it's happening right now,
05:41but then he's got his arguments as well.
05:43I think it might be more convincing if he wasn't sweating profusely.
05:46Oh, honestly, I love Stephen.
05:47He's so Alan, isn't he?
05:49I love Stephen so much.
05:51But even then, he just seemed so nervous.
05:54Yeah.
05:54We always say on Traitors it's about consistency of behaviour, right?
05:57Exactly.
05:57So Rachel's always been very calm and very chill,
06:00and Stephen has been red and sweaty for the whole thing.
06:02Consistently red.
06:03Yeah.
06:03If he stopped sweating, people would be like,
06:05oh boy, something's up with Stephen.
06:06Yeah.
06:07What do we think Stephen wants to happen in the Chests of Chance?
06:10I think if he's smart, he's going to want Rachel to go.
06:12Yeah.
06:13Because they need to confirm a traitor tonight.
06:15Yeah.
06:16If they don't, then I think the Faithful can't relax,
06:19and I think there's more chance that he can't win then.
06:21If Rachel goes,
06:22and obviously this is the last time anyone can reveal their role,
06:26so she will have to reveal that she's a traitor.
06:29As a Faithful, do you think they are looking at people
06:31who did vote for Rachel or didn't vote for Rachel?
06:34I think Stephen will want Rachel to go.
06:37Yeah.
06:37Because it gives the Faithfuls a traitor or anything.
06:40Yeah.
06:40And there's enough suspicion on James still.
06:43Yeah.
06:45For him to then angle with that one.
06:46Yeah.
06:46I mean, if James makes it through the Chests of Chance,
06:49bless him, he is first to go at that next round table.
06:52The final round table before the end game, he's gone.
06:54Yeah.
06:55He's wild.
06:55He's an enigma.
06:57He's been brilliant.
06:57Every episode he's been brilliant.
06:59For both traitors and Faithfuls.
07:00Yeah.
07:00Like, he is just...
07:01They're like, we can't get rid of him.
07:03Yeah.
07:04Because he causes so much chaos.
07:06We can't keep him, he causes so much chaos.
07:08Yeah.
07:08Well, he's just been brilliant the whole way through.
07:10Yeah.
07:10I think I'm the only person in the country
07:12who thinks he did quite well at this round table.
07:14Because what convinces me is his argument of, well, I'm just throwing things out
07:18because I've got nothing to hide.
07:19Yeah.
07:19I'm a faithful.
07:20They're going, but you're so confusing, James.
07:21He's like, yeah, I'm just literally having a thought and saying it out loud
07:24because I don't need to put a filter in place.
07:26Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:27I think that's a clear, obvious tell sign for me that he is,
07:31if I was in there, that he is a faithful.
07:33Yeah.
07:33Because if he was a traitor, he'd be gone when Hugo went.
07:36Because you can't be that bad as a traitor and still be in.
07:40You just can't.
07:41So at the round table, Jack and Faraz were very forthcoming
07:44with their interrogation of Rachel.
07:46Joe, as a true Hundy faithful, how do you think they did?
07:49Did they make you proud?
07:50Yeah, they did.
07:51They've come a long way from Faraz milking Jack.
07:57They've come a long way and I'm really proud.
07:59How do we rate the chances of the faithful going into the final?
08:02Because obviously we've got Jade, Jack, Faraz,
08:05and at the moment that we know of, James, right?
08:08Potentially James.
08:09Yeah.
08:09What do they need to do to win?
08:11If we go down the route of Rachel not going,
08:14and she doesn't do a good enough job to spin it on Steven.
08:17Yeah.
08:17In her attempt, they'll get rid of her,
08:20and then she'll have thrown enough evidence towards Steven
08:23to make the others feel like they can't trust him.
08:26Yeah, yeah.
08:26So then they won't end the game with Steven.
08:28Yeah.
08:28He's gone.
08:29Then it comes down to, is there still enough doubt over Jade,
08:33even if Faraz and Jack haven't been suspicious of her?
08:37I'm not gonna lie. I can see a world where Steven wins.
08:40Really?
08:40And I feel like because he's been so consistent and the library thing got squashed with Fiona going,
08:48traitor, fab. So he can always say, well, it wasn't me in the cage.
08:52I was framed, especially if Rachel goes and she brought that up.
08:56Yeah.
08:57He could be like, well, she's bringing that up again.
08:59She's the one that put me in there.
09:01There's a world where he could win. There is.
09:03OK, now time to talk to a true faithful, a certified hundi.
09:07The brilliant Roxy did so well to get so far,
09:09but tonight we saw her murdered just one day before the final.
09:14Roxy, by order of the traitors, you have been murdered.
09:18Signed, the traitors.
09:20I kind of knew it today because I went so hard at the table. I think I was going for the traitors
09:27and I think they know it, but honestly, I'm so proud of myself for getting this far.
09:31I would love for Steven or Rachel to win. I think they're both amazing people
09:38and I think they've hopefully been faithful and honest throughout the process.
09:43But yeah, it's been a ball.
09:46And Roxy's here now. Roxy.
09:52Roxy, where do we begin?
09:54Oh, no.
09:55Your last words in the game were hoping that Steven and Rachel win.
09:58Yeah.
09:59You pinpointed the two traitors.
10:00Yep.
10:01Why did you have them both pegged as definitely faithful?
10:04I trust people quite easily and I really just built friendships with those two
10:08and I just trusted them.
10:10Yeah, I had to trust them with my life like I did.
10:12Look how it turned out.
10:14In fairness to you, you didn't in that clip say,
10:18I hope the faithful Rachel and Steven win.
10:22Yeah, you see.
10:23You just said, I hope Rachel or Steven win.
10:26Yeah.
10:26So maybe you're just seeing traces.
10:28But then if you listen, Roxy did then say, and I hope they've been faithful.
10:30Yeah.
10:32Ignore that bit. I only heard that.
10:34Yeah, it's fine.
10:36Mina and Jo, you both know what it's like to be so near yet so far,
10:40you know, almost getting to the end of the game.
10:42Do you have some words of comfort for Roxy in this difficult time?
10:45I think, know that you played a really good game.
10:48Yeah.
10:48But the issue is they were limited as to who they could murder.
10:51And Faraz had actually said to Rachel, don't kill me tonight.
10:54Yeah, yeah.
10:55And I think that's just what saved it for him.
10:57I think so, yeah.
10:59The advice I can offer you is that unfortunately you'll live with that heartbreak for the rest of your life.
11:03Honestly, it really does hurt.
11:05And I'm there with you because I feel exactly the same.
11:08I don't think you could have done anything more.
11:10No.
11:10At least you can look at it going, I played it the best of my ability.
11:14Yeah.
11:14And that was it.
11:16You couldn't have done anything.
11:17Maybe get the shield at the end, but even that's out of your hands.
11:20And you tried.
11:21Yeah.
11:21What I love the most, Roxy, is that you did mention both of them.
11:25Yeah.
11:25But you, in your heart, somewhere you thought, is someone keeping me here?
11:28And you said both of their names at the end.
11:30I just asked them and I was like, okay, you're a faithful.
11:33At least I asked them.
11:34I did like that though.
11:34You were like, are you a traitor?
11:36And they said no and you went, great, okay, thanks.
11:38I just wanted to share with you my thoughts.
11:41Like, I'm just concerned and I just wanted to kind of put it to you, I guess.
11:45All I can say to you is that I'm not a traitor.
11:50You can't even say it.
11:51I'm un-sensit faithful, but I don't really have anything else to say
11:54because I'm not actually keeping you here because I'm not a traitor.
12:00I'm only asking this I've got to ask.
12:01Just my close people, I've got to do it.
12:03Just my own peace of mind.
12:04No, no.
12:05I have to, you know what I mean?
12:07I hate it.
12:07I love you to bits, but no, it's not me.
12:10It's awful.
12:11No, no, come here.
12:12I can't not ask for me.
12:13No, it's not me.
12:14I know, I know.
12:15I don't think it is.
12:16I haven't thought it is, but...
12:17I know, but you have to ask.
12:18I have to do, you have to ask.
12:20They were both very convincing.
12:21But in different ways.
12:23They honestly were, they really were.
12:24Like, Rachel more on the emotional strings.
12:26Yeah.
12:27And then, looking at Stephen now, like,
12:29he's only lying.
12:30He can barely say, I'm not traitor.
12:33He literally just done an Alan Carr and laughed.
12:35Yeah.
12:36I just love hearing him say the word traitor.
12:38Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
12:39That's why I asked him, he said...
12:42No, but I just trust them both so much.
12:43And I don't regret it because that's who I am as a person.
12:47Yeah.
12:47So, yeah, it is what it is.
12:48You're just Roxy.
12:50That's it, you see.
12:51Oh, God, don't let me steal my mum's phrase.
12:53Let me hear the end of it.
12:55Never live that down.
12:56Why do you think Stephen's not attracted more suspicion
12:59throughout the game?
13:00Because, obviously, Jessie was really hot on his tail.
13:03Queen Jessie, yeah.
13:04But people weren't really picking up what she was putting down.
13:07Do you know what he is?
13:07And, like, in life as well, he is just the loveliest person.
13:12Yeah.
13:12Like, he's just this lovely, floaty, nice character.
13:15So you just find it really hard to believe that he's got it in him.
13:18But he has, obviously.
13:19Yeah, I think even watching him knowing he's a traitor,
13:22there's a lot of warmth that really comes through the screen.
13:25I mean, you know, personality warmth and genuine warmth for that guy.
13:29Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:29Because he's sweating his butt off.
13:31Yeah, constantly.
13:32And it's always bright red.
13:33Yeah, a huge jumper.
13:34Which is nice, but it's also, like,
13:37Rachel should be getting as much plaudits or...
13:39Oh, as a traitor?
13:41Yeah, 100%.
13:42Because, as a traitor, she's been one of the best we've seen.
13:44Yeah.
13:44But when she gave you a hug and said that she wasn't a traitor,
13:46did you buy it immediately?
13:48Do you know what I did?
13:48And I actually felt bad for asking her the question,
13:52because I felt like I'd made her upset.
13:54So I was like, I feel like I didn't even need to ask the question
13:56to already think that she wasn't a traitor,
13:58but I just was like, I have to.
13:59If it was, like, a lesser traitor than Rachel,
14:01I think you could have seen a flicker of something across her face,
14:04but she is just so solid.
14:05Oh, honestly, like, nothing rocks that woman.
14:07No.
14:08She's amazing.
14:09Yeah, yeah, she is.
14:10Last night, we also saw Faraz come to you
14:12and air his suspicions of Rachel.
14:14Your response was incredible.
14:16Where, you know when you can just tell someone's done?
14:18Yeah, yeah.
14:18But you're like, oh, no, get me out of this game.
14:20Yeah.
14:20She's like, get me off this earth.
14:22But, yeah, I think Faz, unreal job.
14:25I really am rooting for him now,
14:26because I think he's just put the pieces together,
14:28whether it's too late or not.
14:29I don't know.
14:30Yeah.
14:30Can he mobilise enough people?
14:32Yeah, this is it.
14:32Is there any part of you that's a little bit annoyed at him,
14:35that goes, why didn't you come to the table earlier?
14:39Why did you let us?
14:40Like, you've been quite vocal from the off.
14:42Yeah.
14:42Since losing your mum, you've been like,
14:44right, I'm going after X, Y and Z.
14:46Yeah, yeah.
14:47You know, he hasn't really brought it to the party
14:49and it's enabled him to go under the radar a bit.
14:51It has, but I think what I love about Faz
14:54is that he didn't necessarily have the confidence at the beginning,
14:57so he really grew into himself.
14:58And I think at the time where he is in the game,
15:01he's now fully confident and comfortable to say those things.
15:04Like, he's been on quite a nice journey, if you ask me.
15:06So, I won't hold it against him,
15:08but yeah, he could have bloody spoke up earlier.
15:09So, it's going to be Rachel or James
15:13who are banished at this round table.
15:15If you were at that round table tonight,
15:17would you at all be swayed by the arguments
15:19from Faraz and Jack to vote for Rachel, do you think?
15:22No.
15:24You were pretty set on James.
15:25I'm so glad you didn't lie.
15:26Honestly, I had a bee in my bonnet about James.
15:30I think I still do.
15:31I'm like, I still think he's a traitor somehow.
15:34But yeah, we'll see, yeah.
15:36What was it about James?
15:36Because it got to the point where you were saying,
15:38I think you could have masterminded this whole thing.
15:41You could have...
15:41So, basically, you thought he was the most incredible traitor of all time
15:44and a mastermind criminal.
15:46Yeah, I guess you could say that because nobody was looking at him
15:50and I was like thinking I cracked some big mystery.
15:53I was just thinking he, because of his personality,
15:57people thought he wouldn't have the ability to do the traitor roles.
16:00So, I was like, that's the perfect guys for the traitor,
16:02just sort of hide behind the big personality.
16:04So, I was just running and running and running with that.
16:08But I think with the stealing of the shield,
16:10at that point, I was like, it's got to be him
16:12because I was just like, he wants it because he's a traitor.
16:14Oh, yeah.
16:15So, I just couldn't stop with that, unfortunately.
16:18Well, a lot of it, I think, ends up being confirmation bias, doesn't it?
16:20Where you think it's someone, so everything they do from that going on becomes proof.
16:25Which I think you and James, love it or not, have in common.
16:28Because he's the same.
16:29He's like, it's Matty.
16:31It is.
16:31The dagger pointing at him.
16:32He was nuts, yeah.
16:33The dagger pointing at him.
16:37Roxy, let's talk about what we've seen from James after you left.
16:41Would his urgency in the uphill mission have changed your mind at all?
16:44No.
16:44No, no, no.
16:46Honestly, nothing would have changed my mind, really.
16:48When he went back and he was throwing those gold things, I thought,
16:52James, if you run out of gold and you have to go back with nothing,
16:56Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:56You are done.
16:57Honestly.
16:57You're done.
16:57You're actually done.
16:58Just don't go back, James.
16:59Or if they run out of time because you've puked up and then fallen over.
17:02What have you done?
17:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:03He was always going to puke or faint after the way he sprinted off at the start.
17:08Yeah, yeah.
17:09Like, you're saying bolt, just gone.
17:10And you're like, where is he going?
17:13Yeah, literally.
17:14He doesn't even know where he's going.
17:15The rest of the crowd are like, should we change the pace?
17:18We all have to stay together at the end anyway.
17:19This is me.
17:20Yeah, no.
17:21But I understand his instinct.
17:22He was so gutted about Matty the night before.
17:24Yeah.
17:24He really wanted to prove himself.
17:26He wanted to do something for the team.
17:27Yeah.
17:28But then it was Firaz laughing on the way back from the mission that got me.
17:32Yeah, that got me.
17:33Kept laughing about it.
17:34He was just being stintious.
17:35He's all green.
17:36He's getting projectile vomited green.
17:37Yeah.
17:38It was really funny.
17:40Oh, so good.
17:41Oh, he did work hard.
17:42That was my favorite, favorite moment from a mission this year, I have to say.
17:46It was just so, it was just so chaotic.
17:48But that's like my favorite thing about James.
17:50You just don't know what you're getting from him.
17:52No, you never know.
17:53But it's going to be great, regardless what it is.
17:55Roxy, what's it like watching the game now you're out and you can see Jade navigating
17:59the game as a faithful?
18:00What do we think her chances are?
18:02Because she's had a lot of suspicion.
18:03She has, but she's so strong and she speaks so eloquently.
18:07And I think if she maintains that and puts her arguments forward, if she gets more heat,
18:13I actually think she might be an underdog to go like really far.
18:16Okay.
18:17Now there's been some great secret connections in that castle this series.
18:20Social media has been rife with speculation.
18:23So now we have a little uncloaked exclusive for you.
18:26Here's the moment our banished and murdered cast got to open that elusive second scroll.
18:30And we promise you there are no other undisclosed connections left,
18:34apart from Sam being my brother.
18:35No, just messing.
18:37He's my son.
18:38Here we go.
18:44Right, Adam.
18:44Thank you for my starter.
18:46I'm ready for my main course.
18:47Serve me up something nice.
18:49I shall try.
18:50I shall try.
18:53Secret relationships.
18:55Oh!
18:58What the hell?
19:01What is it?
19:02Ross and Ellie.
19:06Are a couple.
19:09So Ross has another rela...
19:11No!
19:11Oh my God!
19:13Shit!
19:14I can see it now.
19:15Oh, that's sweet, isn't it?
19:18They're both so tall.
19:20You and Ross are in a couple.
19:22I'm...
19:23So all of the Nettie stuff.
19:28Oh!
19:30Oh!
19:31Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
19:34Ross.
19:34And Ellie.
19:37I would never have ever put them two together.
19:39I never had that at all.
19:41All right, next one.
19:42What else?
19:46You okay?
19:46Bloody hell, I can't believe this one.
19:49You're never gonna guess this.
19:51Come on, come on, come on.
19:54What?
19:55How did we miss this?
19:56What?
19:57You know Judy?
19:58Yeah?
19:59It's Roxy's mum.
20:00No way!
20:02He hit!
20:05Oh my God!
20:07Mother and daughter.
20:09Oh, Roxy.
20:14This has shocked me.
20:17And that's why Roxy didn't vote for her.
20:20That's why Roxy voted for James.
20:22She couldn't vote for her mother.
20:24Oh my God.
20:25That is amazing.
20:26What?!
20:30Sorry!
20:31Is she adopted?
20:32Yes.
20:35Oh, goodness me.
20:37And poor Judy, she wasn't there for long.
20:40So my daughter, I'm thinking, go Roxy, go Roxy.
20:43I love that!
20:45Oh, you must be so proud.
20:46I'm so proud of her.
20:49And Roxy's mum, Judy, is with us now!
20:53Welcome back to Uncloaked, Judy.
20:56What was it like seeing the traitors murder Roxy?
20:59We actually filmed your reaction to that moment.
21:06What?!
21:06Oh!
21:06Oh!
21:07Oh, Roxy!
21:09Roxy gone.
21:10No!
21:11Oh, no.
21:13What?
21:14Ow, that's a rock.
21:15Oh, no, Roxy.
21:16It just goes to show how wrong we can all do.
21:18I've been shouting them two from the hilltops the whole game.
21:23Oh, my baby.
21:26Do you feel sad for Roxy?
21:27Yeah.
21:27Yes.
21:28You know who else will be sad for her?
21:31Her mum.
21:37Judy.
21:40No!
21:41What?!
21:42What?!
21:43What?!
21:43What?!
21:45Boom!
21:46Jesus!
21:50How did you feel in that moment, having to watch your daughter be murdered on the traitors?
21:55Oh, we're absolutely gutted.
21:56I mean, she's done so well, but we're really gutted.
21:59And I'm shouting at the television because she's saying,
22:02oh, Stephen and Rachel are so lovely, they're so lovely.
22:05I'm like, what?!
22:07What?!
22:08So, yeah, there were a bit of that.
22:10There was a, like, punching of the camera when you said that as well, Roxy,
22:13where you said, oh, I hope Stephen and Rachel were like,
22:15DOOM!
22:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:17Oh, I noticed.
22:18Really?
22:19Classic.
22:20Now, we saw your fellow players finding out about the truth,
22:24about your secret relationship.
22:25What was that like to watch for you both?
22:27Oh, hilarious.
22:29Absolutely.
22:30Especially Nettie.
22:31Yeah.
22:31She just couldn't get her head round it.
22:32Yeah, Nettie was so shocked.
22:34That's fun.
22:34And Maz and Amanda as well.
22:36So I was quite close to Amanda in there,
22:38and she did not have a clue.
22:40She spent a lot of time with both of us at the very beginning.
22:41Yeah.
22:42That whole sequence where you're walking across to the gazebo
22:45with Amanda is incredible,
22:47because we've just found out your mother and daughter.
22:49Yeah.
22:50And then you're saying,
22:50you're quite a loud lady, aren't you, Jingle?
22:52Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:53That's what you said.
22:53Would you ever say that to anyone you've just met on a train?
22:56I think you've just messed it.
22:56To be honest, I wouldn't put it past me.
22:59But I was just like,
23:00I'm just going to get a few little slice shots in while I can.
23:02Do you know what I mean?
23:03It's not every day you can't tell you off or nothing.
23:07Let's have a bit of fun with this.
23:08Yeah, you're eating with your mouth open.
23:10You're doing all this.
23:10I did tell her before we went in.
23:13Do you think if you'd have stayed in longer together,
23:15some of that would have started creeping in?
23:17Yeah, I'd have been going in.
23:17You would be telling her off.
23:18Oh, yeah.
23:19Hey, Roxy, are you eating?
23:20Yeah, I just got you banished.
23:23I can feel it.
23:23I can feel it.
23:25I mean, look, if we're outside the game,
23:27we all say we'd be good at the game,
23:28but I would have spotted this straight away.
23:30Yeah, you're telling me.
23:32You've since seen, Roxy,
23:34that your mum suspected that you might be a traitor.
23:37How did that feel?
23:38Well, actually, yeah, it did hurt.
23:40I was like, what?
23:40But then, I must say, I wrote in my journal,
23:43so I was journaling the first night,
23:44I thought mum was a traitor at the table.
23:46At the round table pick,
23:47because she had a head like this,
23:49and I was just looking at her like,
23:50look up, look up, look up,
23:51but she was looking down,
23:52I was like, oh, she's a traitor.
23:54But then I was like,
23:54I'll just keep that away for a bit
23:56and see how she gets on.
23:58I didn't have to use it,
23:59but I would have used it against her later.
24:00But you, more than anyone, should know,
24:02she's just herself, she's just Jude.
24:04Yeah, she must be just treacherous then.
24:07Yeah.
24:07That's just how I am.
24:09Just being myself.
24:11Everybody kept saying all the time,
24:13well, you're doing what game you're in, don't you?
24:15I said, yeah, I'm sure she's on her holidays.
24:19All right, Rox.
24:20Yeah, well, you will.
24:20Yeah.
24:21This is it.
24:22Oh, God.
24:23Here's the traitor's spin-off.
24:24I wish they were.
24:25This is what we've been looking for.
24:26Yeah.
24:26I'll have a run in here.
24:27I'll have a run in here.
24:28This would have proper,
24:29you would have clashed.
24:30Yeah.
24:31Throw them back in now.
24:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:34Get them back in there tonight and stir it up.
24:36Yeah, yeah.
24:38Can you tell us about the rest of your family's reactions to the show?
24:41Like, how's it been watching it with them
24:43or getting their reactions to you two being on it?
24:45Well, our brothers.
24:46Oh, God.
24:47Especially our Andrew.
24:48Yeah, my oldest one.
24:49Yeah.
24:49He's very serious, our Andrew, isn't he?
24:51Oh, no, he is.
24:52And his thing is watching it like,
24:54what are you doing, Roxy?
24:55Like, you just can't get over my ways of not catching treas.
24:59Yeah, yeah.
25:00But they all loved it.
25:01I mean, we all had a family thing together
25:03and it was really lovely, wasn't it?
25:04Yeah, yeah.
25:05But they're all like, go Roxy, go Roxy.
25:08And they're so proud of us because we've both got in together.
25:10Yeah.
25:10Which is lovely, isn't it?
25:11But yeah, I think they just can't believe that we're on telly.
25:15No, I think they're still quite shocked by it.
25:16I think next series, let's get the rest of your family.
25:19Yes.
25:22Let's get Andrew in there and see if he can do any better.
25:25Roxy, in episode nine at the dinner party,
25:28it was very touching to hear you speak about your adoption.
25:30If you don't mind, we'd just like to play that moment again.
25:34I was adopted by the most fantastic, like, wonderful woman
25:39who has shaped who I am and put her life on hold
25:44to get me to where I am now.
25:47So I would love to do something so special to thank her.
25:51Because, yeah, she's an absolute icon.
25:53You're so lovely.
25:57Judy, how does it feel watching that?
25:59I don't do crying.
25:59Oh, I can see your eyes glass.
26:01You all right?
26:02Oh, Judy!
26:03I don't do crying.
26:04I never cry.
26:05That's so crazy.
26:07Yeah.
26:07That's nice.
26:08I'll just wipe my eyes on your jacket.
26:09Get off.
26:12The most heartbreaking thing about this series is the fact that these two weren't in it for longer.
26:17I know.
26:18I know.
26:18To see this unfold for the last 11 episodes was just an attempt to conceal this.
26:24That's what I was thinking, like, I'd love, like, halfway through episode six,
26:28watching you two trying to convince everyone that you're not related.
26:32Let me wipe my snot off.
26:33You can't get it.
26:34Like, get off.
26:35I was a lovely one.
26:37I think, yeah, eventually, I think people are looking at that family tree enough.
26:40They're going, there must be a family.
26:41Oh, it's them.
26:42Yeah.
26:42Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:43That's us for part one.
26:47But, you know, we still have so much more to discuss with Roxy and Judy in your BBC Sounds
26:51bonus episode.
26:52I want to know all about the reactions they've had from the public.
26:55Plus, I'll be asking Roxy all about that breakfast clash with Harriet.
26:58And there's more from Mina and Joe, too.
27:01That's now available on BBC Sounds.
27:03Scan this QR code on your screen to hear the rest of the conversation
27:06as you get your jammies on.
27:07I'm back with the final uncloaked of the series, getting all the reactions to that end game.
27:12Who will lose out in the Chests of Chance?
27:13Will it be Rachel or James?
27:15Not long to find out.
27:17I'll be joined by all this year's players in front of a live audience.
27:21Plus, for the first time ever, we are giving you the opportunity to put your questions to
27:24the finalists and Claudia.
27:27So, if you've got something you want to ask, send your question to uncloaked at bbc.co.uk,
27:32along with your name and location, and listen out tomorrow to our BBC Sounds bonus episode
27:36to see if it gets answered.
27:38My thanks to Roxy, Judy, Mina, and Joe Mahler.
27:41I'm Ed Gamble.
27:42Stay faithful.
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