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00:00Welcome, welcome to all of you, Alex, Tom, Joe.
00:02Hello.
00:02Hello, Joe.
00:04Hello, Joe.
00:04Thanks for having us back.
00:06Of course, you're most welcome.
00:07We're very excited to have you here.
00:08We've got to talk about the secret traitor.
00:10Love it.
00:10In this series.
00:11This is mega.
00:12It's huge, isn't it?
00:13Oh, it's so cool.
00:15A few levels to the game now.
00:16I feel like I'm back in the game.
00:18Yeah.
00:19And now I've just started making notes.
00:20I saw that.
00:21Now, because of this secret traitor,
00:24I can play, I can actually play,
00:27rather than just watch it and just pause it,
00:29I can actually play now.
00:30So I'm really excited,
00:32but also really bemused by it all.
00:34Yeah, it's definitely, it's perplexing for sure.
00:36I mean, we do have some clues, obviously,
00:39and us watching at home,
00:40we do get more clues than they do.
00:42We've got the shortlists for a start
00:44because we know anyone who's been put on the shortlist for murder
00:46is not the secret traitor.
00:48So, so far, we know that James, Ben,
00:51Rhys and Maz are faithful.
00:53Can I just corroborate that with my...
00:55Yeah, open your notes.
00:56With my notes, whether you've done that or not.
00:58I've been trying to read his notes
01:00because he's clearly good at finding...
01:01Yeah, let Joe consult his very small book
01:03for such a big man.
01:06So we've got James, Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:09We know they're faithful.
01:10Faithful, Hundys.
01:11Hundys, they're Hundys.
01:13I actually, in my notes,
01:15wrote down that Maz could be the secret traitor,
01:21even though he can't, actually.
01:23He couldn't be, yeah, yeah.
01:23But that's only because he had red trainers on.
01:26Oh.
01:27I love that we're looking at hair and clothes.
01:29Good spot.
01:29Could be Sam,
01:30because he's got the same amount of letters as red.
01:35In his name.
01:37Is that actually true?
01:39Joe, you have a reputation for being a really good traitor hunter.
01:42Yeah.
01:42I feel like some of this stuff...
01:44Potluck.
01:45...is maybe a little bit spurious, maybe.
01:47Do you?
01:47Well, maybe the Sam Red thing.
01:50Obviously, our shortlist to murder in this episode
01:52is Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:54Does this shortlist tell us anything, Joe,
01:56about who the secret traitor might be?
01:58Obviously, they seem to think it's a woman
02:00based on the fact that it's three men on the shortlist.
02:01Yeah, I'm inclined to go, it's feminine.
02:03Like, there's a lot of male-heavy shortlist on the murder.
02:06I mean, my speculation is that it could be Amanda.
02:10She was an ex-police detective.
02:12If she is a faithful,
02:14in my opinion, I think she's not playing a very good game.
02:16Okay.
02:16Because she's putting herself out there too much
02:18that the other traitors would want to murder her.
02:20Yeah.
02:21But if she is a secret traitor,
02:23then maybe she's actually playing a really good game
02:25because she's putting herself out there so much
02:26that no one would think that she's the traitor.
02:28So, we do have another pretty big clue, I think.
02:31Let's have a look at the handwriting
02:32on the murder shortlist from the previous episode.
02:35There it is.
02:36We can obviously look at the handwriting
02:38and perhaps compare that to some votes
02:40that have been on the chalkboards at the round table.
02:43It's quite small and neat handwriting.
02:45Yeah, I think it's really quite feminine.
02:47Yeah.
02:48And in my notebook,
02:50I made that Jade, Fiona and Roxy
02:53had quite similar writing.
02:55So, what about you, Tom and Alex?
02:56What does that handwriting tell you?
02:58And remember, there's a potential
03:00that the secret traitor could be disguising their handwriting
03:03at the round table
03:04or, indeed, when they're writing the shortlist.
03:06I would definitely be disguising my handwriting, for sure.
03:10It's quite old-fashioned writing.
03:11I don't think anyone really writes like that anymore.
03:13Like, you look at the Zed, it's very...
03:15I mean, I haven't seen a Zed like that in a very, very long time.
03:17Yeah.
03:18I like the curve at the top.
03:19It's really good.
03:20It's really good writing.
03:21So, are you thinking older, then?
03:23I would lean towards someone maybe a bit more mature, yeah.
03:26Yeah.
03:27Who do we think it definitely is?
03:29And who are your Hundys, Joe?
03:30I want to say Faraz.
03:32Okay.
03:32I want him to be a Hundy.
03:34Yeah.
03:34Because he just seems like,
03:36oh, I'm having a good time.
03:37Yeah, yeah.
03:37And that would be a mega twist if he's not.
03:41But, yeah, I'm going to stick with it.
03:43Faraz is a Hundy.
03:44Faraz is a Hundy.
03:45Tom?
03:46I think Sam.
03:47Okay.
03:48I think Sam.
03:48He was very loud, and I was very loud,
03:51and I was not a traitor.
03:52I think it would be crazy to be loud and traitor-y.
03:57If it is Sam, he's playing a very risky, I must say.
04:01A hugely risky game, I would say.
04:03Because he's a real voice at the round table.
04:05Strong.
04:05He's going round, he's sowing seeds.
04:07No matter what he says,
04:08he was sowing seeds about Judy, I think.
04:10And if you're the secret traitor,
04:11you've got no heat on you.
04:12Yeah.
04:12Just be quiet.
04:13Sit back, relax.
04:14Yeah, yeah.
04:14Enjoy the game.
04:15What about you, Alex?
04:16I also think Sam is a Hundy,
04:18because he did make a bit of a fool of himself
04:21at the round table.
04:21Yeah.
04:22It was a lot.
04:23And if you were a secret traitor,
04:25and you've got that power,
04:26you would have zero need to do any of that.
04:28Yeah.
04:29And if he was, then it was a bit foolish.
04:31If you guys were the secret traitor,
04:33how do you think you would have played it?
04:35What do you think, Joe?
04:38Because I've no experience of being a traitor,
04:41I'd go berserk.
04:44I'd just start planting seeds and being like,
04:47right, it's Rachel.
04:49Yeah.
04:49Why?
04:50I just know.
04:51I just reckon so.
04:51I'd just say it all,
04:52to get them all out early doors
04:54and then see what happens.
04:55I'd love to see that.
04:55But before I got there,
04:56I'd get a little bit closer to Hugo,
04:59because he's quite a character.
05:00Yeah, yeah.
05:01And I'd have a little bit of fun with him.
05:03Yeah.
05:03Maybe the odd wink and stuff like that.
05:05And then he's gone.
05:07So you'd give yourself away immediately
05:09as the secret traitor to the other traitors
05:10by winking.
05:11Yeah, yeah.
05:12And finally,
05:13how do we think the traitors are doing so far?
05:15This is the traitors
05:16that we know the identity of.
05:18Joe, what do you reckon?
05:19I think Rachel's probably
05:21the one
05:22that's thinking more
05:24about how to strategise
05:26with the game and that lot.
05:27Hugo's being a bit more of the
05:29jolly, friendly,
05:30I'm a faithful,
05:31let's have a good laugh together.
05:33And Stephen,
05:33well, he's just immaculate.
05:35Yeah.
05:36Like, can we talk about
05:37how incredible he looks?
05:39Yes.
05:39Yeah, he's so cool.
05:40That blue jacket
05:40in the first episode.
05:42He looks great.
05:43But it's so nice to see them
05:45under as much pressure
05:47as the faithful.
05:48Yeah.
05:48Because they're all scrambling
05:50a little bit.
05:51Yeah.
05:52They're doing all right.
05:53Yeah, I'm enjoying them
05:55as a crew.
05:56I think they've been
05:56very, very well selected.
05:58And like you say,
05:58you've got the immaculate Stephen,
06:00you've got the savvy Rachel,
06:01and then Hugo is like
06:03from a Dickens book.
06:04So we had our first round table
06:08of the series,
06:09and after coming under
06:10a lot of suspicion,
06:12Faithful Judy was voted out.
06:14I'd just like to say,
06:16you've been absolutely amazing.
06:17I've had an absolute blast.
06:21And I'm just me.
06:27I am.
06:34The Faithful.
06:41Very sad to lose Judy this early.
06:43Yeah.
06:44Quite a character
06:45and clearly a lovely person as well.
06:48But obviously,
06:49the secret relationship,
06:50she is Roxy's mum.
06:51Does the secret relationship
06:52help in there?
06:54I mean, I'm obviously
06:54going to ask you to.
06:55No.
06:55I'm going to jump straight in.
06:57No.
06:57I mean,
06:58I shouted about it
07:00and we died
07:00and then obviously,
07:02you keep it.
07:03We've not seen a couple do well yet.
07:05It's incredibly hard
07:06when you're in there as a pair.
07:07What do you think would have happened
07:08had you not shouted about it?
07:09Oh, we've been rich right now.
07:10We'd be on holiday.
07:12A great time.
07:14No,
07:14I think
07:15having a secret relationship
07:17just adds to the stress.
07:19Yeah.
07:19Because you've not only
07:20got yourself to worry about,
07:21you're then worrying about
07:22that other person,
07:23which presumably
07:23you care about that person
07:25otherwise you wouldn't
07:25have brought them in with you.
07:27But like the whole time
07:28that you were in there with me,
07:29I was thinking,
07:30oh God,
07:31is he going to make it
07:31in the next day?
07:32Like, is he making a fool of himself?
07:33What the hell is he wearing today?
07:35Honestly,
07:36she would do little lines like,
07:37oh, nice shirt
07:37and in my head,
07:38oh, you bought it for me.
07:38Very good.
07:39Very good.
07:39Like that.
07:40Right.
07:41It's almost time to invite
07:42our banished and murdered players
07:44into the studio.
07:45But before I chat to them,
07:46here's the moment
07:47they both found out
07:48who the traitors are
07:49shortly after leaving the game.
07:53Oh my God!
07:55Are you okay?
07:55Oh my God!
07:56Oh my gosh!
07:58Oh my God!
08:02The fact that I'm seeing you here now,
08:04I feel like I probably
08:05did play a part in that
08:06and I am sorry for that.
08:08That's fine.
08:08It's killing me
08:09because I've either got
08:11regret in my heart
08:12for putting your name out there
08:13or I'm going to be really excited.
08:16What are you?
08:17What were you?
08:19Well,
08:20to be honest,
08:22I'm...
08:23a faithful!
08:27Oh, do you do?
08:29Do you like that?
08:30I'm so sorry.
08:31I'm so sorry.
08:32It's okay.
08:33I feel like that's on me.
08:35No.
08:35And I'm sorry.
08:36We're in a game.
08:37Who are your definite traitors?
08:39I think one could be Roxy.
08:41Oh, why?
08:43Because she's quite bubbly
08:45and out there
08:46and she's too much
08:48running around everybody
08:49and lively.
08:50So, yeah,
08:51Roxy's one of them.
08:52Mm-hmm.
08:53Two is also Stephen.
08:55Oh.
08:56Because Stephen is...
08:58I mean, he's loving,
08:59he's very caring,
09:00you can see,
09:01and he always gives you a hug,
09:02makes sure you're all right.
09:03But, you see,
09:04for me,
09:05I just think
09:06it doesn't seem sincere
09:08when he gives me a hug
09:09and things like that.
09:10Okay.
09:11And the third one
09:13would be Sam.
09:15Oh!
09:16Because half the time
09:17he spends smiling
09:19and very quiet,
09:20keeps himself in the background.
09:21Okay.
09:22Trying to be Mr Smooth.
09:23So, yeah,
09:25I think it's Sam.
09:26Okay.
09:27Who do you think
09:28the traitors are, Nettie?
09:30Well, like,
09:31I do think you are a traitor.
09:33I can't lie.
09:34Okay.
09:34But then having time to reflect.
09:36Yeah.
09:37And you can tell me
09:37what you think about this.
09:38Okay.
09:39Rachel.
09:40Well,
09:41no, that's not...
09:42Okay.
09:43I don't think that with Rachel
09:45because she tried to out Ross.
09:48She never voted for me.
09:50She voted for Ross.
09:51Okay.
09:52So she could have jumped
09:53on the bandwagon,
09:53but she didn't.
09:55Right.
09:55She'll find out.
09:56Let's go.
09:56Let's do it.
09:57Okay.
09:58Oh, my God.
09:58Oh, God.
09:59I feel a bit sick.
10:01I can see who
10:02decided to kill me.
10:03Right.
10:04Right.
10:04Okay.
10:07Oh!
10:08Right.
10:09First traitor name
10:10is Hugo.
10:13No way!
10:15Hugo.
10:17Jesus.
10:17He's using his barrister skills
10:19very well.
10:20Before I got
10:21through the round table,
10:22I was going to pick you,
10:23girl.
10:23What made you not?
10:25Sam.
10:25His whisperings.
10:26Yeah.
10:27Right, you ready
10:27for the next one?
10:28God.
10:29Rachel.
10:36Rachel.
10:41No!
10:42Rachel.
10:43No!
10:44I'm glad at least
10:45I got one right.
10:47Oh, my goodness.
10:47She's playing a good game.
10:49That is very good.
10:51Okay.
10:51Ready for the next one?
10:52Yeah.
10:52You were right.
11:01Who?
11:02Stephen.
11:03I told you!
11:04I told you!
11:05If we'd actually put our heads together,
11:07we would have had
11:08like two of the three.
11:09I knew that there was
11:11something there.
11:12Oh!
11:12I knew!
11:14I'm hoping people
11:14have got eyes on him.
11:15On both of them.
11:17I tell you what,
11:18I'm not being funny,
11:19but they're all playing
11:20a very good game.
11:21Yeah.
11:22Yeah.
11:22Just a minute,
11:23Nettie.
11:24There's another one,
11:24isn't there?
11:26There is.
11:27What is that one?
11:28Shall we find out?
11:30I don't know if I can
11:31check any more.
11:32Go on.
11:33Well, I'm kind of loving this.
11:34Yes, I am as well.
11:35Okay, let's go.
11:36Oh, see,
11:40I was thinking about this.
11:42There's a secret relationship.
11:44No.
11:47Jude...
11:48What?
11:51You!
11:52Judy Roxy,
11:54a mother and daughter!
11:56What?
11:59Sorry!
12:00Is she adopted?
12:02Yes.
12:02Oh, my God!
12:03That's like half of that.
12:09Wow.
12:09Wedding from that one!
12:11Wow.
12:11I love that.
12:13So my daughter,
12:14I'm thinking,
12:15go Roxy,
12:15go Roxy.
12:16I love that.
12:17Oh, you must be so proud.
12:18I'm so proud of her.
12:21And Judy and Nettie
12:23are with us now.
12:23Woo!
12:26Welcome to Uncloaks.
12:28We're obviously very sad
12:29to see you go so early,
12:30but we're glad
12:31we get to chat with you now.
12:32First things first,
12:34Judy,
12:35in that tape,
12:35you said that you thought
12:37your own daughter
12:37was a traitor.
12:38Oh!
12:39Is that something
12:40you genuinely think,
12:41or were you just
12:42keeping up the pretense
12:43as long as you possibly could?
12:44To be fair,
12:45we did a mission together
12:46and she gave me a look
12:48and I thought,
12:49ooh,
12:49she must be a traitor
12:50and she must be saving me.
12:52And that's what I thought.
12:53Oh.
12:54Obviously,
12:54not.
12:55Well,
12:55she was definitely
12:56trying to save you,
12:57I think.
12:57She was definitely trying.
12:58Yeah, she was.
12:58But was that a traitorous thing?
13:00We don't know yet,
13:01but potentially,
13:02but I love that you allowed
13:03yourself to suspect
13:04your own daughter.
13:05We've got to.
13:06I mean,
13:06we've been discussing it already,
13:07but we thought
13:08as soon as you went in there,
13:10Roxy was basically
13:11treating you openly
13:12like you were her mum anyway.
13:14We saw her going,
13:16the problem is,
13:17Judy,
13:17you're a very loud lady.
13:17Yes.
13:18A bit forward for a stranger.
13:22I am.
13:23Netta,
13:23your reaction
13:24to finding out
13:25that Judy is Roxy's mum
13:27was absolutely priceless.
13:28I was shook.
13:29Yeah,
13:29talk us through that reaction.
13:30Well, I,
13:31so I,
13:31of the evening
13:32that I did have,
13:33I was sort of
13:34putting all these
13:35sort of little links together.
13:36She'd obviously said
13:37on the train
13:38she was adopted.
13:40So I took that on board.
13:42But I'm going down
13:42the route of Harriet,
13:44you know,
13:45Fiona,
13:45anyone else.
13:46Didn't look at this one here.
13:48Yeah.
13:48So that,
13:48yeah,
13:49that did throw me slightly.
13:51It must have been nice
13:51to see Roxy defend you
13:53so much though,
13:54Judy at the round table.
13:55Go on, Roxy.
13:56I know what my daughter's like.
13:58She's very,
13:58she's very out there
13:59and if she's got
14:01some of the be in a bonnet,
14:02she will grab onto it
14:03and run with it.
14:04Yeah.
14:04So I knew she was
14:05sort of trying to stick up for me.
14:06You've only just seen
14:07her reaction
14:08after you left
14:09the round table.
14:11She was,
14:11she was pretty cross
14:12with everyone.
14:13Oh yeah.
14:13That's Roxy to a T.
14:15Yeah.
14:15It looks like
14:16she's on a bit
14:17of a revenge mission now though.
14:18Oh, she will be.
14:19Oh, she will be.
14:20I mean,
14:20for me,
14:21obviously,
14:22I came out
14:23and I just thought,
14:24go and shine.
14:25Go and be the Roxy
14:26I know and love.
14:27Did you at any moment
14:28plan to reveal
14:29your relationship?
14:30No.
14:30Keep it secret to the end?
14:31Oh,
14:31we had a full mission
14:32and everything.
14:33Oh,
14:33we don't know each other
14:34and she just kept gravitating to me.
14:37Let's talk about
14:37your predictions in that tape
14:38about who the traitors were.
14:40Nettie,
14:40what made you suspicious
14:42of Rachel?
14:43I didn't get much time
14:44to sort of talk
14:45with her in the castle
14:46but I do remember
14:46on the night
14:48that I was murdered,
14:49she was in the kitchen.
14:51She was very good
14:51at kind of just listening
14:52to people.
14:53She didn't say too much.
14:55I was going at it
14:56with Ross
14:56and saying,
14:57you know,
14:58all these sorts of things,
14:59just watch out
15:00and,
15:00you know,
15:01she's just over there
15:01in the corner quietly
15:02soaking it all in.
15:04Yeah.
15:04So I think she maybe
15:05used that against me.
15:07Jo,
15:07what did we think
15:08of their traitors predictions?
15:09Because there were
15:09two out of three
15:10between the two of them.
15:12Not bad.
15:13It's spot on,
15:13isn't it?
15:14Yeah,
15:14we did all right.
15:14It's just a shame
15:15that everyone else
15:16wanted to get rid of you.
15:18If you stayed in there longer,
15:20you'd have hunted them down.
15:21I think we would have had them.
15:22I think we'd have been on it.
15:23But maybe we were the threat
15:24that they didn't want in there.
15:26Got a bit scared of us.
15:27Too strong ladies.
15:28I think so.
15:28Uh-huh.
15:29Oh,
15:29you're now friends now,
15:30even?
15:31She's forgiving me.
15:32Best friends.
15:34I think it's fair to say
15:35there were some prior relationships
15:37in there for both of you,
15:38actually,
15:39but some more unexpected
15:40than others.
15:42I know how it looks.
15:44I'll be really honest
15:45and say,
15:46when I'd initially
15:46come out of the cars,
15:47I was obviously
15:48saying hello to everybody.
15:49And I'd initially,
15:50honestly,
15:50just planned to go
15:51recognise her
15:53and not say anything.
15:57But one thing
15:57I want to assure you,
15:58I had genuinely no idea.
16:01I'm still sitting on the fence.
16:02I don't necessarily
16:04know whether you're
16:04traitors or not,
16:06but the connection for me
16:07is just a little bit like,
16:09it's a huge coincidence.
16:11Yeah,
16:11yeah,
16:11that's fair.
16:12It's just got to be questioned,
16:13but that's just me
16:14being honest with you.
16:16Aw!
16:18Judy,
16:18that was like
16:19the popcorn meme
16:20of just you sitting back
16:22with a,
16:22just enjoying it all unfold.
16:25Nettia,
16:26talk us through
16:26how you felt
16:27when you saw Russ
16:28when you arrived
16:29at the castle.
16:29I mean,
16:30my mind was blown
16:30and I think you saw
16:31from my reaction,
16:32it was just sheer,
16:34what is this?
16:36To the point where
16:37I mounted him
16:37in excitement.
16:38Wow.
16:40I was not expecting it
16:42at all.
16:43In my mind's eye,
16:44I've come to this castle,
16:46I'm not going to know anyone,
16:47and then this big beast
16:49of a man
16:49that,
16:50you know,
16:50has got quite a presence.
16:52I'm like,
16:52I know you.
16:53Did you recognise him
16:54straight away?
16:54Yes,
16:55albeit I couldn't remember
16:56his name
16:56in the first,
16:57second,
16:58because it has been
16:59such a long time
17:00since we saw each other.
17:02But you know,
17:02you're not going to forget
17:03that face and body.
17:04Not if that sounds wrong.
17:07It sounds how it sounds.
17:09It sounds exactly how it sounds.
17:10But he's a presence.
17:11He's a presence.
17:12How do you know each other?
17:14Just years and years ago,
17:15we had a mutual friend.
17:16I played basketball
17:17and he's obviously
17:19into fitness
17:19and it was just sort of
17:20a connection through that.
17:22But what a mad coincidence.
17:26And I just,
17:26I couldn't stop
17:27my brain ticking over
17:28like how,
17:29I just didn't understand.
17:30Was it planned?
17:31Did they know?
17:32Were you secretly gutted though?
17:34I know you had that moment
17:35where you mounted him
17:36and you were like,
17:37great to see you.
17:39Great to see you,
17:40Ryan.
17:41Who are you?
17:42But then were you like,
17:44oh,
17:44maybe this is going to work
17:45against me.
17:46No,
17:46see,
17:47I'm not as smart as,
17:48like he obviously said
17:48he didn't plan to.
17:50And he didn't know
17:51I was going to be there either.
17:52It was genuine shock
17:54for both of us.
17:55But in my,
17:56I'm an excitable puppy.
17:57So I hadn't sort of thought
17:59a few steps ahead
18:00in terms of,
18:01okay,
18:01I can't play into this
18:02because clearly
18:02I just reacted.
18:04Well,
18:04you can see that
18:05when you see each other
18:06that he has that split second
18:07of like,
18:08should I say,
18:09should I not?
18:09And by that point,
18:10I didn't give him a chance.
18:12You're absolutely on him.
18:13You have no chance in this.
18:15What would have happened
18:16if you just,
18:16he turned around and went,
18:17I've no idea of you.
18:19Who are you?
18:19Why are you?
18:21This is weird.
18:22Did you want to push me away
18:23by the head?
18:25Judy,
18:25did you suspect
18:26anything of their relationship?
18:28How did you feel
18:28when you found out
18:29that they knew each other
18:30in the past?
18:30Well,
18:30the first thing you think,
18:31oh,
18:31why are they together?
18:32Are they a couple?
18:33Yeah.
18:34Of course you're going
18:34to go down that road.
18:35I mean,
18:36imagine,
18:36imagine if they were
18:37a secret couple
18:38and then Nettie blew it,
18:39that early.
18:41She's like,
18:41oh,
18:42I said,
18:42God,
18:42I've bloody mounted him now.
18:45There's nothing I can do.
18:48But then if you,
18:49like,
18:50if you had thought that
18:50knowing that you
18:51and Roxy had your
18:52secret relationship,
18:54would you have thought,
18:55you didn't obviously
18:55think any different of it.
18:57Obviously.
18:57Everyone was like,
18:58ooh,
18:58ooh,
18:58ooh.
18:59So obviously it got people
19:00talking,
19:00so there's something else
19:01to talk about.
19:02That's a really good point.
19:02That very much takes
19:03the heat off you
19:04and Roxy initially
19:05that they're all talking
19:06about that relationship
19:07rather than any potential
19:08other ones.
19:09Who made the decision
19:10to go on the show,
19:11Judy?
19:11Was it you or Roxy?
19:12Me?
19:13Roxy got me into the game,
19:15obviously,
19:15to watch it.
19:16And she says,
19:17there's a great thing on,
19:18you need to watch this mum
19:19and da-da-da-da,
19:19whatever.
19:20And then when it finished,
19:21I thought,
19:22I could do that.
19:23I could do that.
19:24I was going on my own
19:25and I thought,
19:26you know what?
19:27I rocks.
19:28She lives in Amsterdam,
19:29she's a recruitment officer
19:30and I adopted her.
19:32Why not?
19:32So you only adopted her
19:33after you'd applied for traitors?
19:34No.
19:36No.
19:36I need a daughter
19:38to go on traitors with.
19:44So, of course,
19:45the huge thing in this series,
19:47right at the top of the series,
19:48the secret traitor.
19:50Are there any inklings
19:51from you guys
19:52as to who the secret traitor
19:54could be?
19:54Let's start with you,
19:55Nettie.
19:56It baffled the hell out of me
19:57because just no expectation.
20:00Obviously, you know
20:00that something's going
20:01to be different.
20:02Even when we're on the train,
20:03we're like,
20:03something's going to happen
20:04and it was all a bit too easy.
20:06So this bombshell was fabulous.
20:08I love it.
20:09I want to think of Fiona
20:10as I watch her
20:12and thinking about
20:13how she was in the castle,
20:15like very bubbly
20:16and sort of silly,
20:18but then watching her
20:19when she's in
20:20sort of the private chats,
20:22she just had this like
20:22air of calm and cool
20:24about her.
20:25So I think
20:26she's got my eye on her.
20:28What about you, Judy?
20:30I think Jade.
20:31Jade could be a good shout
20:32because she's being
20:34a little bit quiet
20:34but she's still involved
20:36in the game.
20:36She can hold her own, Jade.
20:37Yeah.
20:37She can definitely hold her own.
20:38Did you pick up
20:39on the hand rising as well?
20:40Around the round table.
20:41I think Judy had enough
20:42to deal with at the round table.
20:44Judy, Judy.
20:44No, never.
20:45Oh, that was going down.
20:47What's it like in that moment
20:48when you're at the round table
20:49and you can feel
20:50a lot of suspicion
20:52coming at you?
20:52How does that feel?
20:53Well, obviously I was warm
20:54because Roxy had said,
20:55Judy, your name's been
20:57out there a lot.
20:57I thought,
20:58oh, is it now?
20:59And obviously there's a little bit
21:00where you see me
21:01talk to somebody
21:03in the kitchen.
21:03Yes.
21:04So I was ready.
21:05I thought, bring it on.
21:06You went down
21:07with your head held high.
21:08Absolutely.
21:08I loved that moment
21:10where you'd got wind of,
21:11who's been saying my name?
21:13Yeah.
21:14And then it was like,
21:15oh, Sam's been saying it a lot.
21:16He's like, where is he?
21:17Yeah.
21:17Where is he?
21:18There's no moment
21:20to be like,
21:21oh, I wonder
21:22what's going to happen.
21:23Let's collect ourselves
21:24and see what's going to happen.
21:25It is, where is he?
21:26Find him now.
21:27Are you avoiding me today,
21:28Sam?
21:29No.
21:31Aren't you?
21:33Why?
21:34Why'd you say that?
21:34I've not spoke to you much today.
21:35I think you're avoiding me.
21:36You were carrying me on the throne.
21:38I think you're avoiding me
21:40for some reason,
21:40but I'm ready for you.
21:41What made you go,
21:43right, I'm just going to go
21:43confront him straight away?
21:45Because that's what kind of person
21:46I am.
21:47I can't have anything to fester.
21:49I have to confront it,
21:50say it,
21:51get it off my chest.
21:52Was it awkward,
21:53the fact that you were sat
21:54next to each other
21:55at the round table?
21:56Yeah, that was so good.
21:57I've never seen someone
21:58so loud go so quiet
21:59so quickly
21:59and then have to sit
22:00next to that person.
22:01Because he's playing
22:02a completely different
22:04game of traitors
22:04to the one you were playing
22:06because he was not
22:07expecting anyone
22:08to call him out on it.
22:09He was like,
22:09well, that'll come up
22:10at the round table,
22:10but this game's all
22:11about subterfuge.
22:12It's about being quiet.
22:14It's about not revealing
22:14your true intentions.
22:16Next thing you know,
22:16kitchen door flies off the throne.
22:18In comes Judy.
22:20You've been avoiding me today.
22:22I can't believe I said that.
22:24Oh, it's great.
22:25It's so good.
22:26So good.
22:26Tom and Alex,
22:28how do you think
22:29Roxy should play the game
22:30now that Judy's out?
22:32Do you think
22:32keep the relationship
22:33absolutely quiet?
22:34Put it in the bin.
22:35Act like it never existed.
22:36Yeah.
22:37There's literally
22:38zero reason
22:40or benefit to her
22:41to mention it.
22:42I think she should get
22:42the revenge mission done.
22:44Yes.
22:45Yeah, just for a month.
22:46Against Sam.
22:47Get Sam gone
22:47and then just forget about it.
22:49Yeah.
22:49Like withdraw,
22:50just so that you still love her.
22:52And she probably will.
22:52You don't want your mum
22:54on holiday with you
22:55for the whole thing
22:55anyway, do you?
22:56No.
22:57No, not at all.
22:58I feel like you wouldn't
22:59cramp her style.
23:00I feel like you would elevate it.
23:01Yeah, we've got a great relationship
23:03and she can hold her own.
23:05Yeah.
23:05I don't need to hold her hand.
23:07I like the way
23:07how much you defended yourself.
23:09I would love to have seen you
23:10if someone was accusing
23:11Roxy in front of you.
23:11Oh, yeah.
23:12That would have been great.
23:13Yeah, how would that have gone down?
23:14There's not enough words on you.
23:15Yeah.
23:16Before we go,
23:18Joe, I think we have to talk
23:19about your trainers
23:20because they're absolutely incredible.
23:22Thanks.
23:22Yours are nice too.
23:23Thank you so much.
23:23But mine aren't sort of
23:24custom traitors trainers.
23:27Yes.
23:27The celebrity trainers,
23:28of course.
23:29Yeah, I got these done.
23:30They're amazing.
23:31Yeah, I did send it
23:32to the rest of the cast
23:34to get their thoughts
23:36and they were fucking livid.
23:38Sorry.
23:40They were livid.
23:41They were like,
23:42what have you done
23:43to our faces and that lot?
23:44I was like, well,
23:45it was based around
23:46the laser mission that we had.
23:50Yes.
23:50Where the heads
23:51that we had made of us
23:53were slightly suspect as well.
23:55They're really cool.
23:56I thought they're nice
23:57and this is the opportunity
23:59to wear them.
24:00Yeah, they're perfect.
24:01I love them.
24:02The chat continues over
24:03on BBC Sounds
24:04where Joe, Tom, Alex, Nettie
24:06and Judy
24:06will be sticking around
24:07to do a tactical deep dive
24:09on the series so far
24:10and we'll also be discussing
24:11post-traitor's life.
24:13It's all in your bonus episode
24:14of Uncloaked
24:15which you can listen to right now.
24:16It's quite simple, really.
24:18All you need to do
24:18is scan the QR code
24:19on the screen
24:20or search for us
24:21on your BBC Sounds app.
24:23We'll be back tomorrow night
24:24where I'll be joined
24:25by celebrity traitor
24:26Kat Burns
24:27and Faithful Turn Traitor
24:28from Series 3 Charlotte
24:29for more fun
24:30and treachery
24:31on BBC One.
24:32A huge thanks to Joe, Tom,
24:34Alex, Judy and Nettie
24:35for joining me.
24:35I'm Ed Gamble.
24:37Stay faithful.
24:38Woo-hoo!
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