00:00Mr. Smith, is Cassidy Hutchinson a liar? That is the point. The fact that they used her in a
00:06primetime hearing and you won't rule out using her, didn't rule out using her, putting her on
00:11the witness stand when everybody knows she wasn't telling the truth, that says it all.
00:16Mr. Smith, is Cassidy Hutchinson a liar? She was their star witness, January 6th committee,
00:24their star witness in one of those staged and choreographed hearings they paid the
00:29former president of ABC News to put together. She was, in fact, the only witness at this special
00:35primetime hearing Tuesday, June 28th, 2022, 8 o'clock in the evening, and she told some
00:43stories. I mean, these were some stories. She talked about the president lunged across the
00:50back seat, grabbed the steering wheel, tried to drive the car to the Capitol. And I just
00:57want to know, you think she was lying?
01:03Chairman Jordan, my assessment of that particular issue is that, with respect to the testimony
01:11about someone lunging, the president lunging towards the driver, my recollection of her testimony
01:18about that is that it was secondhand. She said she'd heard that from somebody.
01:22You familiar with the name Tony Ornato? I'm sorry? You familiar with the name Tony Ornato?
01:27Yes. White House deputy chief of operations, deputy chief of staff for operations, right?
01:33You remember what he said about it? As I sit here right now, I do not.
01:38Yeah, he said it didn't happen. How about Bobby Ingle? You familiar with that name?
01:43Yes, I am. Secret service agent who was actually in the car
01:47that day? You know what he said? He said it didn't happen. And they both said the first time
01:54they ever heard this story was when Ms. Hutchinson testified in the primetime hearing as their star
02:01witness of the January 6th committee. By the way, did you ever confirm her testimony about this
02:07particular incident? We conducted, as I said before, our own independent investigation
02:17of all aspects of the case that we thought was relevant. We, attorneys from my office...
02:22Did you ever confirm it? That's a simple question.
02:25Well, we interviewed her, I should say, attorneys in my office before...
02:29Did you ever confirm the president leaping across the seat, grabbing the steering wheel,
02:34this whole concoction she brought up in the January 6th hearing? Did you ever confirm that?
02:38Right. We interviewed another first-hand witness who was in the car who did not confirm
02:46that that had happened, but also... In your deposition to the committee last month,
02:51Mr. Smith, you said this. My recollection with Ms. Hutchinson was a number of the things
02:56that she gave evidence on were second-hand hearsay. You remember making that statement to us
03:00last month in the deposition? I did, and I was referring particularly
03:04to what we're talking about now. Yeah, and you also said Ms. Hutchinson,
03:07regarding this particular claim, was a second or even third-hand witness. We ask you,
03:11if you were a defense attorney, how would you handle cross-examining her if she was on the
03:15witness stand? And you said, if I were a defense attorney and Ms. Hutchinson were a witness,
03:18the first thing I would do was seek to preclude her testimony because it was hearsay. You remember
03:23saying all that? Yes, that's correct, sir. That's correct, right? Were you going to put her
03:28on the witness stand if you ever got to trial? We had not made final determinations as to who we
03:35were going to call as a witness. We had a large... You were still considering her? We had a large
03:41choice of witnesses in this case. Are you familiar what Washington Post reporters Carol Lenning
03:46and Aaron Davis said in their book? They did his book, 300-some pages book on Chronicle and the
03:51whole investigation of the Justice Department. And here's what they said on page 310. They said,
03:56Jack Smith had wondered whether some of Hutchinson's claims might be relied upon at trial.
04:01Still, at one point, Smith told the elections team he wasn't ready to give up on Hutchinson's
04:05account. Ultimately, however, Trump administration officials uniformly, fiercely disputed her accounts
04:12under oath. Prosecutors on your team told Smith they wouldn't want to use Hutchinson as a witness in
04:17court. And Smith agreed. Are Carol Lenning and Aaron Davis, who wrote this, are they lying?
04:26My recollection is that I certainly had not made any final determinations about who we were going to
04:33call as a witness. And that's the point. That is the point. The fact that they used her in a prime
04:38time hearing and you won't rule out using her, didn't rule out using her, putting her on the witness
04:42stand, when everybody knows she wasn't telling the truth, that says it all. That's the degree
04:49the left and Democrats were willing to go to get President Trump, putting on the witness stand
04:53someone everybody knows is making it up. Everybody knows that. And you were willing to do it. By the
04:59way, you know how many times Cassie Hutchinson was mentioned in their report, the January 6th report?
05:03Any idea, Mr. Smith? I do not. A hundred and eighty five times. Someone that the whole country knows
05:12wasn't telling the truth. And you were still considering putting her on the witness stand
05:16because you had to get President Trump. And everybody can see that.
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