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02:06We were already at military standoff.
02:10But today the benefits of peace are reflected into the beginning of cooperation.
02:18First cargo from Azerbaijan of critical products, oil products,
02:23are being transported to Armenia and in itself it brings the prices down.
02:30So it was absolutely unimaginable, maybe two or three years before,
02:36but today it is a reality.
02:39And I think nothing can interfere into this process.
02:45What we need to do more, I think both sides,
02:48is to demonstrate the results of living in peace
02:53so that we can also witness the full support of our societies to this process.
03:02I am very optimistic because really what has been achieved
03:05is a tremendous benefit to Armenia, to Azerbaijan, to Southern Caucasus,
03:12and it sets an example of how the countries which were in very deep, hostile terms
03:20now transform into a phase of cooperation.
03:25We restored justice, international law, our sovereignty, territorial integrity,
03:30and then we achieved peace.
03:33And then we stopped.
03:35And for the leader of the country which suffered for 30 years,
03:39to stop at the right time is a very responsible and very important decision.
03:46We could have continued.
03:47I want to be very open with you and with the audience.
03:51But that would lead to endless wars.
03:54That would lead to more sufferings, more victims.
03:57Then war would never end.
03:59And someone should have stopped it.
04:01And we decided to stop it.
04:04And yes, it was a joint decision by Armenian and Azerbaijani leadership
04:10to close that chapter and to see the opportunities for peace.
04:16President Khashoggi, the same question to you, please.
04:19How do you see it?
04:20How do you look in the future now with this whole new era opening?
04:25What does the future hold for Armenia?
04:26Two years ago, one year ago, it was unbelievable that we could achieve such a situation.
04:33Whereas now, we and the Republic of Armenia is able to receive cargo from Azerbaijan
04:39via the territory of Georgia.
04:42I'm sure we'll be able one day to receive this cargo directly through our own territories.
04:49Baku, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Nakhijeran, Armenia.
04:54Yeah, directly we can have transportation, I'm sure.
04:58And we'll be able to overcome the problems that were created in the 90s.
05:01But what is very important is that we are both looking forward.
05:06If we try to look backwards, if we try to look for reasons what happened and why it happened,
05:13that will deprive us of the opportunity that we have received.
05:17The willingness and readiness from the government of Azerbaijan, Mr. Aliyev, we appreciate it, we can see it.
05:26It was today or yesterday that Mr. Aliyev mentioned that we need to learn to live in peace.
05:32I can reassure you, it's not a usual situation for us.
05:38Before signing the documents, we would wake up and try to find out what's happening on the border.
05:46Shootings, death, wounded, stress for us.
05:50Now, please be reassured, we are forgetting this.
05:55Now we are more living in time, so we need to implement projects.
06:00And we will succeed.
06:01We'll succeed because our agreements are very concrete.
06:05The principles are very concrete.
06:08We do respect each other's territorial integrity, sovereignty, and the jurisdiction.
06:14We'll be guided by those principles, we'll open borders.
06:18And I'm sure that after some years, not only at the highest political level we'll have such meetings,
06:24but also it will become business as usual when our citizens from Armenia and Azerbaijan will cross the border,
06:31will do business with each other, will make use of the benefits of each other.
06:35And therefore, as a result of this cooperation, will become a very conducive region as the South Caucasus for the entire world.
06:45The discussions that we are now having about connectivity between Europe and Asia,
06:50the best way to do this is South Caucasus.
06:53This process will succeed because there is an economic interest as well, not only political.
07:00Political is very important, but also economic.
07:02And this will enhance and strengthen the agreements that we have achieved on.
07:08And I do want to thank the leadership of Azerbaijan, Mr. Aliyev.
07:13I do have the right also to say thank you to our Prime Minister as well.
07:17President Vucic, I would like to ask you, how do you see the role of Serbia as somehow this important bridge for Eurasia,
07:26that bridge between Europe and Asia, when it comes to redefining and defining this economic identity for the region?
07:35I believe that the role of our countries will become even, we all know that we belong to small countries,
07:45relatively small nations, speaking about size and numbers, not about our pride and dignity.
07:54But I believe that we'll have bigger importance in the future, and I'll tell you why.
08:01From Armenia, let's say, 3 million, 7 million, Serbia, 10 million, Azerbaijan.
08:08We'll have to get along with each other, we'll have to cooperate, we'll have to do things together.
08:14Because in today's world, where we are facing no rules, no regulations, we are big fish, eat smaller fishes,
08:26and they're saying it, they're not even wrapping it in anything, they just do it,
08:33and they're saying, doing it bluntly, and not observing, and not in accordance with you and Trotter and you and resolutions,
08:45we'll have to take care of ourselves.
08:48And now you have two different schools.
08:50One is, either to belong to those big, newly defined empires in different hemispheres,
09:02either to still protect your sovereignty and independence.
09:06And knowing Azerbaijanis people, Armenian people, and Serbian people,
09:12I know that we'll pick the option number two,
09:15which means that we'll protect our countries, our nations, our sovereignty and our independence.
09:22Wanting, of course, to cooperate with everybody,
09:25but at the end, we'll have to keep our national interests and our statecraft as well.
09:36Ebreus Demir, the president's touched upon a little bit the investment side and the business side of it,
09:41and it would be great to hear, please, from your take,
09:44what's your view regarding the policies and probably the strategies needed to strengthen Eurasian's competitiveness,
09:53as well as ultimately also the integration in the global picture and the global trade?
09:58The investments can only start when there's peace and long-term stability.
10:03I mean, if there's no stability, nobody wants to invest.
10:06So hearing the leaders here, and I'm very happy to be among these very strong leaders,
10:11that the peace and prosperity are going to be long-term, it means investors can come.
10:17And I've seen the trip agreement.
10:18It's very well defined.
10:20And it's the first start of, I think, the major investments can start from that agreement.
10:27Because currently there is CARSTEP VC project already, the BACU project.
10:33And I think with the middle corridor, then we can add more to this.
10:38So what I'm saying is the infrastructure is not only the roads, it's not only the railroads,
10:44it's the digital infrastructure, it's the energy infrastructure as well.
10:47And also it brings out many more infrastructures.
10:50I mean, the dry ports, the logistical hubs, and the people.
10:54I mean, people start to come and live around it.
10:57If I may intervene regarding some good words said by Madam Özdemir, if I pronounce that well.
11:05Perfect.
11:08We are speaking about peace, stability, tranquility.
11:13There has never been less peace, stability, and tranquility in the world.
11:17Last year was the worst year after the Second World War, with number of wars that were launched
11:23by different countries or within the countries.
11:27And this year is going to be worse than last year.
11:30And next year is going to be worse than this year.
11:34And everybody is speaking about peace, accusing someone else for not observing something,
11:43not paying respect to someone.
11:45But at the end, everybody is taking care of its own national interests.
11:50Nobody cares about multilateralism.
11:53And this is the biggest mistake that all of us made in the past.
11:58And now, no one can correct it.
12:01There are people that might say, even in our countries, in Yerevan, Baku, Belgrade,
12:07they might say, okay, it's somewhere away from us.
12:10But there is a spillover effect.
12:12And we are all going to face the consequences.
12:15And that's why I was speaking about creating better bonds between us in order to make these shocks
12:22relatively smaller to our economies and to our politics as well.
12:26And I'm not optimistic at all the world of...
12:31We have just entered the world of volatility and uncertainty.
12:35I'm not sure that we'll be able to overcome it in the years to come.
12:39President Chaturand, what's your take on this when it comes to this new approach?
12:43I'm one of the politicians who has always spoken about peace.
12:49In my political activities, I've always tried to be useful for peace.
12:55Because I understand one thing clearly.
12:57If you have neighbors, only live in peace with your neighbors, including in your daily life.
13:05There's no other way.
13:07Other way means arguing, fighting, disputes, loss of time.
13:11I am therefore optimistic that we will indeed succeed.
13:15We will indeed also have joint economic and cultural projects.
13:20We will indeed have...
13:21And we already have the precedence when the members of the civil society of our two countries meet.
13:29Business circles next will meet.
13:32In Yerevan, people can already buy Azerbaijani fuel for their cars.
13:37Years ago, if you would speak about this, there would have been hostile reaction to this.
13:44But this is the new reality we live in.
13:46And therefore, as for the problems of the world, there is a lot of volatility in the world.
13:52After COVID, a lot of things have changed.
13:55And the political map of the world is changing a lot.
13:59And the management methods are changing a lot.
14:02And therefore, especially in this situation, the small countries face challenges.
14:10But I do not want to underestimate them.
14:14Being small may also be an advantage.
14:17It allows us to act and take decisions independently ourselves and implement them independently ourselves.
14:26You may be surprised and asked, what about the big countries?
14:32Big countries have big problems.
14:34We have our countries, our interests, our action to be taken for our interests.
14:39The global geopolitical sort of picture in the landscape looks completely different.
14:43There is not strengthening, there is rather cracking and shaking.
14:46And I would like to get that as a closing remarks for all of you speakers, please.
14:50How do you see, with this challenging and shaking and rather fragile global landscape,
14:58how do you see then the place of Eurasia in that picture, President Toulib?
15:02After peace de facto is established, we started also economic cooperation, export operations.
15:11Azerbaijan lifted all the restrictions on transportation of cargos to Armenia from Kazakhstan, from Russia.
15:20And now we got a request from Armenian side to provide transit from Armenia to Russia.
15:29So we de facto unilaterally opened the corridors.
15:35Corridors, yes, the transportation goes through Georgia, but one day it will go through Armenia.
15:43One day Armenia will go directly through Azerbaijan, and that day is not too far away.
15:50We established a very close alliance relationship with Turkey, which is a brotherly country.
15:57And we have a huge investment in Turkey.
16:01Our investments in Turkey are more than 20 billion U.S. dollars.
16:06We are one of the biggest investors in Georgia.
16:11With a trip and a connectivity project, which the United States now is supervising,
16:18we will establish a new transportation corridor stretching from Asia,
16:23across the Caspian, through Azerbaijan, Armenia, part of Azerbaijan, which is Nakhchivan, Turkey,
16:31and further down to Europe, in addition to the existing corridors through Georgia.
16:37So the more routes, the better for consumers, for suppliers, for transit countries.
16:43So we as a country, we always concentrate on our regional agenda.
16:48And if we cannot achieve what we want in the region, we cannot have any aspirations for any kind of a global event.
16:59But today, especially after parallel tracks of Armenia-Azerbaijan and Turkish-Armenian rapprochement,
17:08which go in parallel and definitely will end in parallel by establishment of diplomatic relations
17:15between Turkey and Armenia, Azerbaijan and Armenia at the same time,
17:20we are changing the broad geographical area, part of Eurasia,
17:26which is very important for connectivity, for energy security, for peace, for stability.
17:32President, with your closing thoughts.
17:36The spillover effect will harm us a lot.
17:39I'll tell you why, more than Azerbaijan, of course, because we have a lot of German companies,
17:44French companies, Italian companies that are producing spare parts.
17:49If they will face bigger tariffs from the United States of America,
17:52which is the main market for those companies,
17:55it will mean that we'll have to shut down our factories, our plants in Serbia.
18:01And at the same time, there is a political issue.
18:03I see that we are coming to an end of a session.
18:05Everybody used to have its own Pandora's box.
18:09Now everybody is speaking about new Pandora's box.
18:12The real Pandora's box was open on Kosovo issue,
18:17when many countries in the world, Western world in particular,
18:22recognized and acknowledged an independence of Kosovo,
18:26saying, well, this was because of humanitarian disaster
18:30that was caused by alleged Serbian authorities action in Kosovo.
18:36And at the end, you can see the same arguments are used by all the others
18:40that are doing against the other countries.
18:43But everybody is forgetting when it started.
18:46And now why I'm afraid and why I'm saying that I'm not that optimistic
18:50is the fact that we are having more regional and local wars than ever.
18:54you have no certainty, even in the Gulf region,
19:00as it not used to be the case until the last few months.
19:07And also need to say that this divorce between the U.S. and Europe
19:14is not going to be just a temporary issue.
19:17It's going to last for quite a more time.
19:24And at the end, we'll all have to pay the price.
19:28Whether we'll be able to take care of ourselves,
19:30I hope that we'll be able to do it better than some others.
19:34But are we going to be hit?
19:36No doubt that we're going to be hit.
19:38But with the support and with the help,
19:40with the assistance of such good friends like Armenia and Azerbaijan
19:45and hopefully Turkey as well,
19:49will be able to overcome all these difficulties.
19:51Thank you very much for participating.
19:53Thank you for watching this slide.
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