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00:00Arminia e Azerbaijão surpreendeu o mundo com um histórico de uma guerra histórica
00:06depois de décadas de guerra.
00:09Mas os ingredientes secretos para o que foi chamado de impossível,
00:13nunca foi publicado.
00:14Mas agora, Euronews tem a oportunidade de se sentar com os dois dos key actors
00:19para discutir isso mais.
00:20Em esta edição do Eurasia Talks,
00:23nós estamos juntando por Armin Gregorian,
00:25o secretário do Security Council da Armenia,
00:28e Hikmet Hadjeev, o Assistant Presidente de Azerbaijão.
00:35Alegre, thank you for joining us on this episode of Eurasia Talks.
00:39I wanted to begin by asking you,
00:41how did your first contacts happen
00:44and what made it possible to unblock the standoff that we've been seeing?
00:49Hikmet.
00:50Thank you, Jane, for the opportunity to talk.
00:53And I remember our first good days when we come together
00:56and discussing our agenda of the peace.
00:58It was right after the 2020 military engagement.
01:01We in Brussels had a good chance to meet
01:03and with the support and facilitation of our EU friends.
01:07But since that time, up in the instruction of our leaders,
01:10we had one concrete agenda, how we can advance the peace,
01:13and also how we can put aside the disagreements that we had together.
01:17And Azerbaijan at that time, we over again demonstrated our good willingness
01:22and also initiative about a peace agenda.
01:25And with our Mayamanian colleagues,
01:27also through other channels as well,
01:29we were discussing advancement of the peace agenda together.
01:32Armen, obviously with those discussions, you know, what was it that your leadership and yourselves,
01:39you know, how did you come to the conclusion that peace was possible?
01:44Both in Yerevan and in Baku, I'm sure the leadership have been thinking
01:49how to bring peace and stability to the region.
01:52My prime minister have been publicly very intensively talking how much our society needs peace.
02:00And we have been seeing that there is the same will in Baku.
02:05And we have been intensively working to that direction.
02:09And here, I think the first meeting was 21-22 between me and Tikmet.
02:16And now we are sitting here and discussing how to institutionalize the peace,
02:22how to move forward in that context.
02:25So the success is great.
02:27And we are also celebrating that.
02:29We're here at the Doha Forum.
02:31And obviously, I heard you talking earlier.
02:33And I think, Hikmet, you refer to each other as colleagues.
02:36That's a bold step forward and a real positive thing to use that terminology with each other
02:41in this journey together.
02:43Indeed, within the Armenian side and the Azerbaijan system of Washington,
02:48we are working on the concrete elements of the peace agenda that we have agreed in Washington.
02:53And Azerbaijan demonstrates this in a full commitment to the agenda that we have agreed.
02:58One of the important topics on our agenda is about the corridor.
03:01And again, we do hope that within the corridor from the Azerbaijan side,
03:05it's considered in a Zenggazur corridor and also in a Trump corridor
03:08where we are working together for its implementation.
03:11We think that it will change completely the transport map of the Eurasian continent.
03:17And also in Armenia, Azerbaijan bring us together and working together.
03:21And we'll also contribute to building a mutual economic dependence.
03:24And in a broader sense, it will also create the economic benefits of the peace agenda
03:30for both of our countries, for our broader region.
03:33But we also what we understood that peace is like a strategic commodity that we are delivering to the international community.
03:39But in the meantime, we cannot render ourselves to the comfort zone.
03:43And we know where to institutionalize and solidify the peace on the ground and to maintain it.
03:48And also to bring it to the future generations.
03:51It requires a lot of hard work from both countries and also both societies.
03:55But in the meantime, what we see is a full commitment from our countries to work on that dimension.
04:01What is the realistic timeline for finalizing this peace deal?
04:05The peace deal in Abu Dhabi discussions this year in Samma,
04:09we had an open and broad discussion with the Armenian side and my president
04:13and Armenian prime minister and also delegations that we are attending.
04:17We discussed an important competence, including the elements that are still on our agenda, outstanding issues.
04:24I think that we are on the right track towards a complete signing of the peace agreement.
04:30But more than that, what I would like to highlight that we have a real peace on the ground.
04:35What is an experience of international community shows that on many post-conflict situations and conflict situations,
04:40there are agreements and arrangements on the paper, but there is no real peace on the ground.
04:44But we have a real peace on the ground, de facto peace on the ground.
04:47We should solidify it and we should strengthen it and also bring it to the future generations.
04:51Armin, how would you describe the political relationship and atmosphere between the two countries?
04:57All the agreements that we had anywhere, all of them are in public.
05:02And the peace process that have been in a process for a long time.
05:11I mean, bilaterally, we have been working towards the peace and actually we will continue working on that direction with Azerbaijan.
05:20First of all, to sign the peace agreement and ratify it.
05:24At the same time, we consider unblocking very much important.
05:28The big beautiful deal that we reached in Washington and now we are trying to implement is very much important.
05:37And part of that deal is Trump's route for international peace and prosperity.
05:43The connectivity project that will bring economic benefit to the region.
05:49We are working on that direction.
05:50I hope we are now intensively discussing with Americans the project implementation of the trip.
05:59As soon as we finalize, we will start implementation project.
06:04I hope it will be very soon.
06:07And after that, the whole technical process will start.
06:13And we will work on that direction to unblock the region to open the trip,
06:18which is a very huge and very important historical project in our region.
06:23So we continue to work on that direction.
06:26The Armenian-Azerbaijan peace agenda, we are also not acting in a diplomatic limbo.
06:30We are also looking at the international experience and international precedent
06:34and Good Friday Agreement between the 1998 United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland.
06:39It also paved the way with the current status of the good relations between the two countries.
06:44We are also making certain precedent from that arrangements as well
06:48and looking forward for the resolution of one outstanding issue
06:51that's still a matter of the concern of the Azerbaijanis side.
06:54I think that once it's resolved, we will not have any longer any stumbling block
06:58on our agenda of the peace.
07:00But nevertheless, let me repeat it over the game that we have a real peace on the ground
07:04and currently working through the parameters of the strengthening of the peace.
07:08With world powers competing for massive regional economic opportunities,
07:14what are your strategies for each of your countries, Hikmet?
07:18Well, our strategy is not to make the region of the South Caucasus as an arena of the competition
07:23or the confrontation.
07:24Our agenda is to make the region of the South Caucasus as an arena of the cooperation,
07:28an engagement and a partnership.
07:30Think about Armenia-Azerbaijan peace agenda in the global context of the conflicts and wars,
07:35at least one success story.
07:36One chapter of the conflict is closed.
07:38There is a real peace on the ground.
07:40And we are also inviting all our international partners, including the global powers,
07:44to support our peace agenda on the ground, whether it's in a connectivity project,
07:48whether it's in a normalization between the two countries, and also new economic partnerships.
07:53And as Armenia and Azerbaijan, we are working on the fundamental concept of the economic benefit of the peace.
07:59I think that our international partners can also contribute to that.
08:03Look, it's very much important that the peace project is an inclusive process.
08:11We don't try to exclude anyone in order to let them to fight it.
08:15So this is very inclusive process.
08:18In the context of the peace, we have suggested the peace crossroad project,
08:22which is about connectivity in the region.
08:26And within that context, by the way, TRIP is part for that project.
08:31And in that context, we are working to implement the project and see the regional partners engaging in that
08:40and seeing the unblocking of the region as an inclusive process.
08:45That's very much important.
08:47And I am sure that will bring more stability in the region.
08:51And we don't see our region as a competing place,
08:57because competition in a good sense of that economic from economic perspective.
09:02It's good.
09:03But from other perspectives, sometimes it can very firstly damage to the countries that are living in the region.
09:11So historically speaking, the region of the South Caucasus historically and unfortunately,
09:15it was in a battle space of the big empires and big powers.
09:19Now, it's not related to the current state of the region, but now Azerbaijan at least from his side.
09:25And I see the same willingness from the Armenian side as well to transform the region
09:29and to make it marketplace, investment place for the cooperation of everybody.
09:33What guarantees can you give the people of your country that this peace is going to last and their safety?
09:39I think that our signature, it matters a lot.
09:44And it was in front of the international community in all of this, my president.
09:48And he declared Azerbaijan's and over declared and Azerbaijan's full commitment to the peace agenda.
09:53For us, wars and a conflict is over.
09:55And sovereignty and territorial integrity was a must for Azerbaijan.
09:58It has been restored.
09:59And therefore, such a full commitment to the Washington agenda that we have agreed,
10:05as a demonstration of our important political will.
10:08And it's also a message to our society.
10:10And also, we have received a message from our society as well.
10:15Right after the Washington, there was a huge jubilation and also positive reverberation
10:19in Azerbaijan's society about peace.
10:22And people also supporting that.
10:24The political establishment, both in Yerevan and Baku, they have strong will for the peace.
10:31That was demonstrated before Washington, but also reconfirming once more in Washington,
10:38showing that there is a political will.
10:40We also see, as my colleague Hikmet mentioned, both in the society in Armenia and in Azerbaijan,
10:48there is support to the peace.
10:51We are sure that implementation of the regional projects like TRIP and other ones will increase interdependency
11:00and strengthen the peace and also economic benefits that both societies will have.
11:07It will have an input in the long run to sustain the peace and strengthen the peace.
11:13We are seeing that we are moving towards that direction.
11:16And the proof of that is also that me and Hikmet in Doha Forum also sitting in your...
11:23Studio.
11:24Yes, sitting in your studio, speaking about the economic benefits of the peace signals that we will have long-term.
11:38Well, you have both discussed the importance of that trip to Washington.
11:42And there's a very famous handshake in front of President Trump.
11:46What was the atmosphere like in that room? Could you have heard a pin drop? You know, what was the feeling?
11:52It was really, as far as I can remember, it was really a jubileous atmosphere.
11:56And for the last 30 years, both of our countries suffered from the conflict and the war.
12:02And our peoples also suffered. And finally, we put a final nail to the coffin of this conflict.
12:08This is now over. And it was also, once again, a demonstration of a stronger political will and firm will.
12:13And in this case, we also highly appreciate the role of the President Trump and American administration.
12:18They also put a political weight of the American government on their peace agenda.
12:23In the same manner, it also had a huge reverberation.
12:26And the spirit of Washington has a huge reverberation in the Azerbaijan society.
12:30Nevertheless, there wasn't a time difference between the Baku and Washington.
12:34This is that time. But entire Azerbaijan society was waiting for that.
12:38And they were celebrating in the social media, in the media in Azerbaijan.
12:41In a sense, it's coincided with a public jubilation and also official full commitment of the Azerbaijanic government to the peace agenda.
12:51I think that one chapter of the conflict on the international stage is over.
12:54Amen, was it the same for Armenia?
12:56It was a celebration day. And, you know, it's a big, beautiful deal because everyone benefited from that.
13:04Armenia benefited. Azerbaijan benefited. United States benefited.
13:08And the international community, I'm sure, in the long run will benefit.
13:12That's why it's a deal, because all sides benefited. And it was a celebration.
13:17As Sigmund mentioned, the time difference between Yerevan and Washington is similar as in Baku.
13:26And people were staying late night in order to watch that.
13:29And I would be very frank, I have received so many messages in my WhatsApp and other application.
13:36People saying me thank you and celebrating that.
13:40It was very much obvious also in social media.
13:43You can see that people are celebrating.
13:46Yes, there are people who have been also skeptic.
13:49Yeah.
13:50But the most important thing is that most of them, most of the public have been celebrating.
13:57And after that, we are seeing that the continuation of the dialogue, the continuation of the positive messages.
14:06For example, after the Washington meeting, both vice prime minister of Armenia and Azerbaijan visited both Armenia to Azerbaijan.
14:16Lately, our vice prime minister, Grigoyan, visited to Gabala region and had a meeting there.
14:23So all of these are signals and public are receiving it also positively and moving towards the peace.
14:30And I'm sure in the long run, people will also see the benefits that economic benefits of the peace.
14:37We're here, as we mentioned, in Doha and the Qatari governments have been very heavily involved in negotiations and mediations internationally.
14:46You know, how important and where do you see the future of that international involvement going in terms of, you know, the Qataris, the EU and the US?
14:58Well, we appreciate all international efforts that contribute to the peace agenda.
15:02But what was the beauty of Armenia-Azerbaijan agenda is that it was a bilateral process.
15:07There was a complete belief in the two capitals that first, Baku and Yerevan, we need a peace.
15:13And we need a peace for our future generations, for our peoples.
15:17And we started our active bilateral diplomatic engagement.
15:20It also brought us to the Washington discussions and some other agendas that we have.
15:25Again, we can highly appreciate the role of the international community, all of our partners.
15:29But Armenia-Azerbaijan, I'm sure that based on the confidence that we are trying to build and based on the mechanisms of the interaction we built,
15:36we will continue to advance on our bilateral peace building agenda.
15:40We very much appreciate international community support, but without that bilateral thing, that was very strong.
15:48And I'm sure that Abu Dhabi leaders meeting paved way for the Washington meeting.
15:55And that was a very great success in that context.
15:59And we very much appreciate also international communities engagement.
16:03We are here in Doha forum meeting with having panel and also sitting down in this studio, speaking to the public and sending positive messages.
16:15In overall, that's also an effort coming from the Qataris and they are very much helpful.
16:20And we very much I'm sure I'm speaking on both of us that we very much appreciate that Qataris gave this platform to us to speak also publicly.
16:31And that's very much important.
16:34It's been a real symbolism of hope.
16:36What message do you think what you have achieved is giving to those around the world who are at war with each other?
16:45Well, it's always difficult to provide your own advice, but we can provide our own example.
16:52And here, I think that also in other countries, we demonstrated leading by example.
16:56Yeah.
16:57And there was a really difficult and bloody war between the two countries.
17:00And last 30 years, two countries suffered from the deficit of the security and the deficit of the peace.
17:05But with a political will and demonstration of the firm and stronger political will, peace is achievable.
17:12And as a result of just peace has been ensured between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
17:17Now is enough time and also work of the two governments and two peoples to make a long lasting and irreversible peace on the agenda.
17:24On the global agenda and also regional agenda.
17:27Therefore, peace is doable, peace is achievable.
17:29And it also requires full commitment to the norms and principles of international law and providing legality and legitimacy between the countries.
17:38Yeah, it's very difficult to find two conflicts that are totally similar, but you can find always some similarities.
17:46And one of the important thing was that strong will both in Yerevan and in Baku was very much helpful in moving towards the peace.
17:55The leadership in both countries have been intensively working, even though a lot of difficulties you can imagine.
18:02And in all conflicts, it's very difficult to move forward because of the problem also of trust.
18:09In all conflicts, sides don't trust each other.
18:12But we have been working towards this as in famous music.
18:18It's said another brick to the wall in positive sense of that quote.
18:25We have been working towards that, trying to build that wall of trust, trying to work to move in that direction.
18:33And it was very much helpful, bilaterally creating that trust and then also international community support.
18:41If you could send one message to the people of your neighbouring country, what would that be?
18:47To continue working on strengthening the peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
18:54Yes, we went through the conflict. We went through the pain, both of us.
19:01And we need to understand also that there is a chance of peace.
19:07We have both to work on this direction, institutionalise the peace and work on that direction and also see the benefits of the peace.
19:21Hikmet, what would you send as your message to your neighbouring people in Armenia?
19:26For Azerbaijan, war and conflict is over.
19:29Currently, Azerbaijan works on the peace.
19:32And we are sure and hopeful that there will be irreversible peace between the two countries
19:38and it will be eternal for the future generations of the both countries.
19:42And still, we have a certain balance.
19:44We understand that and we are at the end of the fact, but we should look into the future.
19:48Hikmet Arman, thank you so much for joining us on Eurasia Talks on Euru News.
19:52What a pleasure to see you both here today. Thank you so much.
19:54Thank you so much.
19:55Thanks for having us.
19:56You're very welcome.
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