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Ação militar dos EUA pode ter "efeito decisivo" no Irão, diz Bolton

John Bolton, antigo conselheiro de segurança nacional de Donald Trump, diz acreditar que os EUA vão optar por "ataques direcionados" contra o Irão, numa altura em que a região se prepara para uma intervenção militar. Trump disse que a ajuda americana estava "a caminho".

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00:56O que é o que é o que é o que é o que é?
01:26game here is to finally topple the Ayatollah's regime. Is that enough? Well, I think the targets
01:32to look at, obviously taking out whatever air defences remained for Iran or new ones the
01:38Russians may have supplied, but then I would look at striking the headquarters of the Revolutionary
01:44Guard, military bases of the Guard, the Basisi militia that has been instrumental in repressing
01:51the population, the Iranian Navy, the nuclear program, the ballistic missile program. And I think
01:57that would further debilitate the regime and it would show to the opposition, we're not trying to
02:02harm Iran itself. It's the regime that's the target. It would give the opposition clear indication that
02:08the U.S. and the rest of the outside world are watching. So you think, Mr. Bolton, that we could
02:13be looking at the start of the end of the regime? Is that the end game for the U.S.? Well, I hope so.
02:19I mean, we've been close to this point before. There's been enormous discontent in Iran for a
02:25variety of reasons, ethnic clashes. The young people are unhappy. Women are unhappy since the
02:33murder of Masyamini over two years ago. The economic situation is obviously extremely bad. But the outside
02:40world has basically sat back and done nothing now and permitted the regime to suppress the opposition.
02:47I think if we show that we are very much interested in what happens and favor the fall of the government,
02:57that that could have a very positive effect inside the country.
03:00And you mentioned the outside world. Do you think Europe also needs to step in here? What can it do?
03:06Well, Europe hasn't done much of anything, unfortunately. I think they should be working
03:10with the United States. We should all be working more with the opposition to provide resources,
03:14communications, for example, to help them coordinate better inside Iran. I think the situation is
03:20different now for a couple of reasons. Number one, the protest after the murder of Masyamini
03:26for neglecting to wear the hijab that the Ayatollahs prescribed was not just an issue about the dress code.
03:35The regime's basis of legitimacy is that it speaks the will of God.
03:39And when people say, well, we don't think wearing the hijab comes from God, it comes from the Ayatollahs,
03:46you're just not attacking that issue. You're attacking the very legitimacy of the Ayatollahs
03:51themselves. And that influence is still there. Plus, this time, the economic circumstances in Iran
03:57are really bad, worse than ever. And that's why the protests are so widespread, countrywide at this point.
04:05We hear Trump talking about coming to the aid of the Iranian people. We heard similar language when
04:11it came to Venezuela. Yet, Mr. Trump seems to be completely comfortable at the moment with having
04:17Nicolás Maduro sit in a New York prison while his vice president, Delsi Rodríguez, is at the helm in
04:25Caracas. She is a key figurehead of the Maduro regime. So, when you look at Venezuela, do you think
04:32Trump is really interested in changing autocracies into democracies? Or is it really at the end all
04:38about oil and the strength of the dollar and so on? Well, it's not really clear what Trump is
04:44interested in. I think we're on the verge of squandering an opportunity in Venezuela. I'm glad
04:49Maduro has been captured. But the regime in power in Caracas is the Maduro regime without Maduro. And if
04:56we're not careful, that regime will entrench itself. And the people will still not be able to take
05:02control of the government. And it will also mean that there's not going to be any substantial external
05:07investment in Venezuela in the oil industry. So, the poverty there will continue. Trump himself
05:12tweeted to the Iranian opposition, take control of your institutions. Well, that's what he should be
05:18saying in Venezuela as well. That is how you help overthrow the repressive regime.
05:24He is due to meet the opposition leader, Maria Corina Machado, very soon. Do you think that
05:31could change anything? Or is Trump really not interested in a proper democratic transition in
05:36Venezuela? Well, I think this is a good opportunity for Machado to say, look, if you don't have
05:41representative government in Venezuela, you're never going to have a rule of law society. You're going
05:46to be subject to the arbitrary will of the Maduro regime. And those circumstances mean foreign
05:52investors are not going to come in. They're not going to risk, especially in the oil sector,
05:57billions of dollars of investment that some dictator can just grab away from them. So, for Trump's own
06:03purposes, putting the opposition in Venezuela in power is important. And perhaps she can persuade or
06:09explain to him why that's important. If he fails to do that, is that a strategic failure for the U.S.,
06:15do you feel? I think it could well be. I think what the regime in Caracas is doing now is shoring up
06:21its support from the from the military, the police, the colectivos, the motorcycle gangs that they use
06:27to intimidate the population and strengthening their position, talking to China about China
06:33exploiting Venezuela's oil. So the moment's not lost yet, but it's just a clear mistake to stop with
06:40Maduro. And on Greenland, Trump has recently said that anything less than U.S. control of that
06:47territory, which belongs to the Kingdom of Denmark, is unacceptable to him. Do you think he's willing
06:54to use force, military force, to seize that territory? Ultimately, I don't think he will. I think
07:02just the talk, though, of using military forces costing the U.S. in terms you can't even calculate,
07:08in terms of trust and good faith and our reputation. And if we can say there, there's a new poll out
07:15today that shows exactly eight percent of the American people favor the use of force to take
07:20Greenland. I'd like to ask that eight percent if they even know where Greenland is. Yet he seems to be
07:25doubling down, Mr. Bolton. He seems to be turning his back on diplomacy. His language is very clear. What
07:30could this mean for the U.S. reputation if he does move ahead with a seizure? And what could it mean for
07:36the NATO alliance? Well, I think it's a disaster for the United States, as I say, that we're even
07:41talking about this. And it would be infinitely worse if he did try and use military force. I think
07:47there'd be a political earthquake in this country. There is essentially zero support. And certainly
07:54in Congress, it would be a matter of grave concern. And I think many people believe that if it happened,
08:00it would be the end of the NATO alliance and a grave, a grave, doing grave damage to U.S. national
08:06security, not to mention the other NATO allies. In the end, will we just see something more
08:11transactional? Do you think he'll opt for a deal, for example, by paying a lump sum to Greenlanders or
08:17striking some kind of agreement with the Danish government? Is he pushing here for a sale? Well, he will
08:22want to be able to declare victory on something because after all, the world is divided into winners and
08:28losers and he always wins. But it doesn't make it any easier to get to an agreement, which legitimately
08:36does concern U.S. national security, Canadian security, Danish security, the security of the
08:42entire NATO alliance against the growing Russian and Chinese threats in the Arctic Ocean. So a quiet
08:49approach to this, I think, could really move fairly rapidly based on the 1951 Danish-U.S.
08:56defensive Greenland treaty. I'd like to ask you about Ukraine. Trump has been pushing for a very
09:02rapid deal to end Russia's war. It doesn't seem to be coming. Europeans have pledged to very specific
09:09security guarantees by now. Do you think Trump is willing to do the same? Well, Trump may be willing
09:16to give security guarantees, but since it's still not clear he would even uphold Article 5 of the NATO
09:22treaty, words on a piece of paper are not the real answer here. The only way you can have
09:28a guarantee of Ukrainian security is if Russian troops are moving backward rather than moving
09:34forward. So I'm worried about the whole ceasefire approach. I'm afraid it may give Russia an advantage
09:41and that in Europe, people think if we can get a ceasefire, that's a real answer. It's not. It just
09:48gives Russia a pause to regroup, rebuild its army, refurbish its economy. Putin wants a Russian
09:54empire. He's told us this for 20 years. And in that kind of nationalist thinking, there's no Russian
09:59empire without the whole of Ukraine. That's what Putin wants. Do you think there's a risk here that
10:04Trump is losing patience and will sell out the Ukrainians? Well, I think he's losing patience
10:08because it's not getting him the Nobel Peace Prize that's really the end objective for him on almost
10:14everything we've been talking about. I don't know that it would necessarily mean he would sell out
10:19Ukraine. He might just withdraw from the issue because it's not making him a winner. And if
10:24if the U.S. continued to supply intelligence to Ukraine, if we continued to sell weapons and
10:32ammunition to our European NATO allies who could pass it on to Ukraine, that that I think might be
10:38sufficient to keep keep Ukraine going. That's not an ideal outcome from my point of view. But I think
10:44if we could get that minimum, then let let Trump walk away. Final question, Mr. Bolton, you know,
10:49Trump promised to pursue an America first policy, a less interventionist approach. Some would say
10:57he's doing the complete opposite. How would you rate his foreign policy so far in his second term,
11:05from one second term, excuse me, from one to 10? How would you grade it? Well, around a two or three,
11:11I think a lot's incomplete. One thing we haven't talked about is his tariff policy, trade issues,
11:17which I do think are important for national security. They've been a complete disaster
11:21and harmed the United States in many ways, not just economic, but in reputational and political terms
11:28as well. So I don't think Trump really understands what what he's doing. He doesn't have a national
11:34security grand strategy. Everything is transactional, episodic, ad hoc. And that's why he can completely
11:41reverse what he said during the campaign and not even see that he's contradicting himself. I think
11:47he's causing himself political difficulties with his own base for what he's doing. But that that's
11:52his problem. Mr. Bolton, thank you so much for your time. Well, thanks for having me.
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