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00:00:00Hey, what's going on y'all? Welcome in Tuesday, Wake Up Barso. We got to recap a little Monday

00:00:06Night Football Playoff edition and we'll get to playoff takeaways as a whole. Have some

00:00:12Cancun conversations about what teams whose seasons are done should be doing. We got Supreme

00:00:17Debate. We got a lot going down and it all starts now on FS1.

00:00:30Good morning world. Hope you're all having a wonderful morning. Hope you got a great cup of

00:00:47coffee. Hope you're ready to have some fun over the next couple hours here on Wake Up Barso. T-Bob

00:00:52Hebert, Big Cat Eddie, Nicky, and Steven Che with you today. Big day, a lot to get to. I didn't even

00:00:58talk about the Bears there, boys. We got to celebrate them, but let's start with Monday

00:01:04Night Football. The Texans last night. Hey guys, turns out the Texans defense really just is that

00:01:11good. I mean, it was, that was, that was like hard to watch at times. The Steelers are the

00:01:18same team every single year for the last 10 years. Rewatch everything I've ever said. Yes,

00:01:23I know. You started to believe. I nipped it in the bud. I said, don't do it. You started to

00:01:28believe, and I said, you're crazy. It is the same thing every year. Every year. Every year. Every

00:01:32year. Exactly the same. Nothing has changed. It's made time stagnant, which I'm kind of thankful for.

00:01:38Yeah, that's true. You can't actually remember what year it is or like, you know, that you're

00:01:43getting older because you're like, oh, the Steelers are going to go nine and eight and their

00:01:46offense is going to throw a bunch of screen passes and dump offs and they're going to lose by

00:01:50double digits. They're going to be embarrassed in the wild. But there was no black magic feeling

00:01:54after the big win over the Ravens. No. That was where I was like, I feel a little life

00:01:58out of you. I thought last year. I did that for the camera. I did it for the bright lights.

00:02:03Because Jerry started to believe a little bit. Of course. Deep down, he didn't.

00:02:07No, but hold on. Let's just say this. They almost did exactly what we were saying, like take

00:02:14them into deep water. This was a seven, six game into the third quarter. I have one question

00:02:20and this might sound ridiculous, but am I stupid for saying that if DK Metcalf catches

00:02:26that pass in the first quarter, the Steelers might win that game? Because that's how Steelers

00:02:31football is. If they have games where they like get that first explosive play and get

00:02:36out 10-0, that drop was egregious. He has to catch that ball. If they get up 10-0 and then

00:02:43everyone's like, oh man, how is this happening? Instead, it just stays the seven, six, you

00:02:48know, slog of a game. And then the Texans slowly wear them down and you get this.

00:02:53So are you stupid? It is the Steelers coached by Mike Tomlin in a wild card game. Yeah.

00:03:01Barely getting into the playoffs. This is fourth quarter. It's 10-6.

00:03:04And the interception. It's a game. The interception in the red zone when it was 7-6.

00:03:07The Texans were averaging seven yards a carry.

00:03:10The Steelers were in this game. They were fully in this game. The Steelers lost by double

00:03:16digits after two fumbles and an interception. Listen, how it ended, it looked bad, but they

00:03:20were. The Texans defense deserves all the credit. I'm just saying the Steelers, from

00:03:25a Steelers game plan, which is not really a game plan, it's just keep the game close

00:03:29enough that a weird mistake will get us to win this game. They were doing it effectively.

00:03:36I think this is one of the most embarrassing Steelers losses ever. Really?

00:03:41In my lifetime. I think the one you had against the Chiefs in 2020 or 2019, where it was not

00:03:48even, remember T.J. Watt scored the first touchdown and he lost like 42-7? Yeah.

00:03:52That was bad, but this one was winnable going into the fourth. Yeah. And the turnover differential

00:04:00was plus three. I know. I mean, that's maybe my kind of feeling on it. It's like, yes, the

00:04:05score was always close and is the NFL. Technically, they were in the game, but to Nikki's point,

00:04:10maybe it's so embarrassing because they never felt like they were in the game. No, they

00:04:15were in the game. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that that game...

00:04:18When they got the interception in the red zone, I was convinced. Yes. The offense looked

00:04:22hapless. Completely. Now, we should say that Eddie and I need to probably... Our new normal

00:04:30is not normal, where I watch a football game and if you're down like 14 in the fourth, I'm

00:04:36like, we'll just do the Caleb Williams play. That's true. So, that has skewed my game

00:04:41watching. But yeah, you guys were in this game. It was the perfect Steelers' plan of

00:04:47making it as ugly as possible. It was unwatchable slot. I tweeted it halfway through the first

00:04:53quarter or something. I was like, I think the Steelers, if they get five C.J. Stroud

00:04:57fumbles and five field goals, they can win this game. And that looked like that game plan

00:05:01was well on the way to happen. They got five fumbles. Yeah. No, you're right. It was like

00:05:06the third quarter and I looked at Jerry on stream and I was like, imagine if this was somebody's

00:05:09first football game they ever watched. Yeah. They're going right to soccer. No, the actual

00:05:13watching of it, I'm just saying the Steelers were in this game. Now, the question obviously

00:05:16coming out of this is, I mean, is that it for Aaron Rodgers? Yes. But if he wants to come

00:05:24back... The way that the commentators were speaking, it was like they knew something. Because

00:05:28they waxed poetic about this guy for five minutes in the end of the game instead of giving the

00:05:32flowers to the Texans. Yeah. Are you more intrigued by the end of Rodgers or possibly the end of

00:05:37Tomlin? I'm more intrigued by the Tomlin part because Rodgers to me is very simple. He could

00:05:43play one more year or not. The Steelers would be kind of foolish not to bring him back if he

00:05:48decided he wanted to play one more year. And like, you know, they could get, use him as

00:05:52a bridge quarterback, maybe draft someone. Like he wasn't the biggest problem the Steelers

00:05:56had this year. No. So I would, like you could, I could see a world where he comes back. Tomlin,

00:06:02I don't know how you just keep doing this. It's just ramming your head against the wall

00:06:06over and over and over. So I was kind of saying the same thing this morning and I got a little

00:06:11bit of pushback. I guess the idea would be though, is when you look at the roster, it's

00:06:16very old. They don't have a quarterback. They have some draft capital to maybe go get one.

00:06:20Do you get better if you get rid of Mike Tomlin? Like I know you're in purgatory. It's seven

00:06:27playoff losses in a row. Last five by double ditch. You've tied Marvin Lewis for the largest

00:06:32head coaching playoff losing. You never want to be in the conversation with Marvin Lewis.

00:06:38But I didn't know that. Yeah, I know. But do the Steelers get, how do they get better if

00:06:44they get rid of Tomlin? I mean, can they get one of the best guys? They're the best available

00:06:48job if it opens up. Yeah, because you don't get fired. You get a decade of leash. Yeah.

00:06:53They've had three coaches in the last 50 years. That's fair. I hadn't considered the job security.

00:06:58Yeah, no, they're doing like Supreme Court justice. You basically have to be of ill health to lose

00:07:04your job with the Steelers. But I think you got to just clean house and start fresh because that's

00:07:10the problem with the Steelers is they're a very proud organization. They obviously are a premier

00:07:14organization in the NFL. They're consistently in the playoffs, but they're never competing anymore

00:07:20for a Super Bowl. And they have not had a two, three year stretch of bottoming out, so to speak,

00:07:29to get those shots at a premier quarterback. Yeah. And obviously, bottoming out doesn't guarantee

00:07:34you anything. There are certainly a lot of teams that are stuck forever. I mean, the Bears went through

00:07:41three first round picks to get to this though. Jets, the Browns, you see all these teams,

00:07:46but you have to at least have a shot. You know, you can't, you're not going to have a shot if you

00:07:51never are picking in the top five. Pride, I said before, I think on this show is their biggest

00:07:56downfall. Yeah. Win three games, try to take a quarterback. Yeah. If it misses, try again. Look

00:08:01at what the Patriots did. Okay. If it's on Mac Jones. Yeah. Try again. Here's, here's, here's what I would say

00:08:07that the Steelers need to do. Okay. I'm thinking about it more right now. They are very proud.

00:08:13They are a team that doesn't want to like actively lose in a season. Bring back Big Ben for one season.

00:08:21Yeah. Let him play. Tell him, be like, Ben, we're not going to let you look at the, the,

00:08:27the standings. We're not going to let you look at where we are. Be like, Ben, we're actually not

00:08:31even going to let you look at the scoreboard. And we're just going to have you play. You win two games

00:08:35and you tell Ben at the end of the year, it's like, Ben, you're incredible. We're 12 and five.

00:08:41And then you just put them down. Yeah. He just said, you walk them out in the woods and let them

00:08:45go. I think that would work perfectly fine. But here's what you're missing. It doesn't matter who

00:08:49they have. They'll go, they'll win nine to 10. That's why you got to get rid of Tomlin. That's my

00:08:53point. Right. That's the Tomlin part of it. Tomlin is good enough. He would win nine games with

00:08:57Big Ben. He would. Absolutely. He's found a way to do it every single year. And it's maddening to watch.

00:09:03So does anybody push back on getting rid of Tomlin? Because that's where I hold it to

00:09:06be self-evident. No, like people will call the Steelers fans spoiled for being in a position

00:09:11where they're not. No, I think we're past that. Yeah. You can't watch that. 2009? Yeah.

00:09:15Yeah. I used to say that. And then like probably three or four years ago, I was like, okay,

00:09:20this is not, no, no fan wants what the Steelers are producing. Yeah. Like watching from my perspective

00:09:25and watching these guys on the couch, him, Jerry, and K-Dick, like bear through that. I was

00:09:30like, that just can't be fun. That's been the past seven years. Yeah. Same thing with

00:09:35different players. Well, and they're not even competitive playoff losses. I mean, it's five

00:09:39in a row of double digits. So it's like you go through the entire year to get here and

00:09:42just fall flat on you. And it all starts with how they managed the end of Big Ben, where

00:09:46Big Ben was clearly not a Super Bowl quarterback at the end of his career, but he was good enough

00:09:51to keep them hanging around in a lot of these games. And that started the path of we're letting

00:09:57Big Ben play another year, another year, another year, and he's going to get us to

00:10:01that nine wins and we're not going to bottom out. Cause like, that's what you got to do

00:10:05when you have a Hall of Fame quarterback and Big Ben, when he leaves, you're just going

00:10:08to be like, all right. And now they're in this revolving door of guys that are, are stop

00:10:13gaps. They won't fix anything. It's brutal. I think you have to get rid of Mike Tomlin.

00:10:18It's crazy cause they did kind of like, they not, I don't know if going all in is completely

00:10:23accurate, but like they invested pretty heavily in this season. Well, they've invested heavily

00:10:28in the defense every single year and the defense is not elite. It's good, but it's not elite.

00:10:33And I think that's their, that's where their plan is kind of falling apart. Invest in the

00:10:37defense, you know, get a quarterback that knows what he's doing. The defense is not elite.

00:10:43You got to have it. You have to have the Texans defense. If you're going to do like

00:10:47that would help. I'm sure. If Aaron Rodgers was on the Texans right now, he might win a

00:10:51Superbowl. So let's, let's, and let's, let's get to the Texans then because we should be

00:10:55celebrating them, man. That, that defense. So a lot of people, you're kind of talking

00:10:59about last night's game, maybe a rock fight, maybe boring. And in some ways that's true,

00:11:03certainly, but my God, just the sheer physical intimidation of the Texans was pretty

00:11:10badass to watch. Yeah. Like that was just, that was, that was a bully beat down that

00:11:16felt like Debo from Friday. That was one of the most intimidating. Like I thought Aaron

00:11:20Rodgers multiple times was not getting up. Yeah. How sore I am after doing like a light

00:11:26jog. How is this 42 year old man taking the abuse that he did last night and surviving?

00:11:31Well, he's a professional athlete and you're not. Um, that would maybe be it. No, but you're

00:11:35right. You're right. Come on, Dan. You wouldn't, I mean, it's insane at our age to think about

00:11:39being hit by Will Anderson and Daniil Hunter. Yeah. No, it's the Texans defense. I think

00:11:45their entire mantra is swarm and that's what they do. They just swarm. I thought it was

00:11:49going to be an Obi-Wan Kenobi situation. He was going to get hit and just his jersey

00:11:52smile over to the sideline. You see the, the force ghost Aaron Rodgers above the stadium

00:11:59smiling down. No, it, um, that's from Star Wars. Okay. I zoned out on that. The Texas defense

00:12:05is obviously Superbowl worthy. They're, they're maybe the best. Bro, the defense is sure. It's a

00:12:11unit. Yeah. Yeah. But like CJ Stroud is, he doesn't, the best thing CJ Stroud ever did. And

00:12:17I actually am not a CJ Stroud hater, but I'll just say this. The best thing he ever did was

00:12:21have an incredible first year, because I think that we've spent a couple of years saying that's

00:12:27going to be the standard. And he hasn't really played to that standard. He's been okay at times.

00:12:32He's had, you know, his offensive line isn't great. So it's not, it's not all perfect,

00:12:36but we've, I think we've all elevated him last night. He, he tried to give that game away.

00:12:43That's kind of my point. Why I think they're super real good at it is because if you're going

00:12:46to fumble five times, lose two of them, throw a pick, look completely helpless and your,

00:12:51your team still dominant, like, like Stroud will play better. I'm not saying he's going to play

00:12:55good even, but I think he will be better than he was last night. Yeah. But if he has a repeat

00:13:01of that against any other team, I think they lose because the Steelers were not able to

00:13:05capitalize on any of the mistakes that CJ Stroud has made. I agree. But then again, I mean,

00:13:08you look forward to the Patriots. We know they're scheduled merchants. Uh, Drake May didn't look

00:13:13great against the Chargers pass. Like the Chargers overall defense is pretty good. Yeah.

00:13:16Minners done a good job of the pass rushes and anything like that. No. Like Drake May could

00:13:20be in some serious trouble. Yeah, but they still feel like a fun fling. Like I don't see the longevity.

00:13:25Nico Collins probably not going to play next week. Yeah. There was nothing fun about what Kirk did last night.

00:13:30He had more than, he had 60% of his year's yards yesterday. Yeah. He was, he was really good. I

00:13:36just, I, I think CJ Stroud, like he's struggling. I really do. I think he's been struggling for

00:13:41two years now and I don't, it's just, it's a smart thing to do. Just be really good.

00:13:46Although at what point are we going to say, Hey, where, where's the first year guy? Cause

00:13:50remember the conversations and I was guilty of it. The conversations after the first year of like,

00:13:55who would you take given contract and everything? And CJ, CJ Stroud was getting up to like two,

00:14:00three in the conversation. Well, it's going to happen once they get knocked out of the playoffs.

00:14:04Yeah. Like that's when that conversation happened. He's so good at being under the radar though. I

00:14:08don't know what his voice sounds like. Yeah. He doesn't show emotion. He's very mild mannered.

00:14:11It seems, uh, he's doing a good job of not bringing attention to himself. I think I've seen more

00:14:15pictures of the fake CJ Stroud, like the junkyard CJ Stroud online than I have of CJ Stroud. Yeah.

00:14:21What were you going to say? Did you, did you see Chad Forbes is a draft guy, NFL guy who bring up

00:14:25the S2 cognition tests? Cause CJ Stroud famously got a very poor score in that. He's like, now you're

00:14:31seeing, uh, the slow processing that I was talking about years ago. I thought that was a very funny

00:14:36victory lap. One, uh, yeah, I mean, that's wild. One, one interesting note going into break here

00:14:41is when you watch the Seahawks, right? Seahawks Texans, clearly the best two defenses. They're doing it

00:14:47completely different ways. Seahawks doing it with scheme. The Texans just doing it with straight

00:14:52dudes. All right. Those two teams, the last thing, those two teams, why aren't we talking? We talk

00:14:57about Sam Darnold one way and I think CJ Stroud gets a pass. Those are very similar teams to me.

00:15:02Elite defenses and question marks at quarterback. All right. We'll get to all of that and more

00:15:07and bears on Wake Up Barstool.

00:15:09What's going on? Welcome back to Wake Up Barstool here on FS1 and, uh, boys, Sunday morning,

00:15:20wake up, I'm at church, you know, vibes are good. Everybody's happy. And the, uh, the pastor has

00:15:25like a camo jacket on like, man, what's going on? And then right at the beginning of the Sherman,

00:15:30she rips it off to reveal her Khalil Mack bears Jersey whole place goes insane. But that's the type

00:15:37of experience that the city of Chicago had over the weekend, man. One of those nights, one of those

00:15:43days, one of those games that like, I, I know I'm not, I'm not exaggerating. I think that just makes

00:15:48you happy to be alive. It was, it really was. I mean, Eddie and I were at the game. We floated out

00:15:53of the, uh, stadium. Like there's a few times where I've had that as a sports fan being able to leave

00:15:59a stadium and you feel like you're floating. I don't, I can't really just describe it better than

00:16:04that. Well, cause it's all, every stadium is a zombie walk, right? Everyone's just going through,

00:16:08you know, all the ramps and everything. This was, it was the happiest zombie walk ever. Like everyone

00:16:13was like in disbelief, people hugging, people smoking cigars, people, you know, stopping,

00:16:19chanting. The game was incredible. And Caleb Williams is, um, he's special. He's a special player.

00:16:25And it's great to continue to watch the haters and losers like Steven Shea do completion percentage

00:16:31when they don't, they have still yet to realize that Ben Johnson is a masterful, uh, coach,

00:16:37offensive coordinator. He has realized that, Hey, if he's doesn't have the short game stuff

00:16:42in his arsenal yet, we are going to do shot plays. Caleb Williams had, what do you have?

00:16:47Seven big time throws. Yeah. I mean that fourth and eight, like that's the throw of the weekend.

00:16:51What's maybe the year. Yeah. So who cares if he hits, you know, if he misses a guy in the flat,

00:16:57when he's, when he's throwing 25 yards down the field, seven or eight times a game.

00:17:00Well, we said it Monday too. Like if you're telling me, if you're giving me the choice

00:17:03to any guy who does like the fundamental flat stuff, he's great at that. But when the pressure

00:17:09gets high, that's what he has to work on. No, you want the opposite. Like, like Williams

00:17:12is at his best when adversity is the highest, that is so much more desirable. And then you

00:17:17figure out some of the more fundamental stuff. It's three point shooting in the NBA.

00:17:21Yeah. That's kind of what the bears have, have, have unlocked a little bit where it's

00:17:25like, Hey, what if we, if we are 40% or 35% from, from three, that is better than being

00:17:32whatever. I can't do math. You know what I'm saying? Like you, you take those big shots

00:17:36over and over. And if you hit a few of them, that is a sustainable offense. So it's been

00:17:41incredible. Ben Johnson, Dennis Allen. I mean, the whole team, it was, and I know Eddie and

00:17:47I were there. Like we, we really didn't think they were dead, which is crazy to say down 21,

00:17:51three. We were, we thought it was bad. Yeah. We thought it was, you know, our defense is

00:17:56not great, but they played a hell of a second half. It was just one of those feelings like,

00:18:01Hey, give Caleb Williams a shot. And, and the team just does not quit. They, they, you cannot

00:18:06kill this team. Yeah. It was a special night. I mean, everyone sees the records and everyone

00:18:11knows that we've lost 50 times in the last 35 years, but to feel them is different. Like

00:18:17we felt all those 35 losses. That's not just a footnote. That's not just something we

00:18:21read on a paper that most NFL fans would see. So to finally be on the other end of one,

00:18:25it was surreal. Yeah. Best live sporting event you've ever been to. Easily. I did that. Easily.

00:18:30It was that, I think it's one for me, but the Miguel Cabrera, uh, grand slam in NLCS was the

00:18:36loudest, or Miguel Montero. Uh, I was in the bleachers for that. And then I also was in,

00:18:42I was at a Blackhawks Red Wings game seven Seabrooks overtime game seven goal, which game seven

00:18:49goal. But this is one, this is one. And Ed, did you well up in a video? Did you, I swear

00:18:55it wasn't, it just fell out. Like it's just like, water just fell out. It's like a mini

00:19:02Christmas. I mean, you just feel so connected, so alive, so much joy. And, but again, but

00:19:08it has to come with the risk, right? You needed to have all of that on the line. It needed to

00:19:13be the Packers. It needed to be so close to death. Yeah. To then emerge on the other side.

00:19:18Again, you'll, you will die remembering this day. Yeah. Because the first half I was, you

00:19:23know, I don't know if you do this, Eddie, but I, when I'm watching a game and it's going

00:19:27like that, I start thinking about what I'm going to say, you know, formulating my thoughts

00:19:31of what I'm going to say on the podcast and show. And the thoughts were not good. It was

00:19:36just like, oh man, I can't believe this happened again. The Packers are not, I don't think

00:19:40the Packers are that good and they still did it. And then to have it all flip, it's

00:19:45just, it's special. Because it goes, yeah, it goes back to that boiler room week two where

00:19:49you're like, I don't know if this is ever going to happen. Gateway game. Yeah. You

00:19:52don't know if you're like, you truly don't know if it's ever going to happen. Then it

00:19:56finally did. There was a very funny, like Instagram popped up some memory or something

00:19:59for me. It was a Megan making money story from after week two. And it was asking everybody

00:20:05around the office, who's going to lose the most games in the NFL? And there were probably

00:20:08like seven or eight Bears answers. And to go from that to where they are now, playoff

00:20:14win, division champs, another home game this week. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's the

00:20:20rise. And it's great. The great experiences you can have as a fan. And it's crazy because

00:20:24I, I, I still don't know how good, like, I don't know if they're good. They are. They're

00:20:30obviously good, but do you know what I mean? There's. Yes. Absolutely. They didn't even play

00:20:33that well against the Packer. Right. So funny because there will be extended stretches where

00:20:39you'd be like, that's the worst team in football. Yeah. But is this the year where it's kind

00:20:43of fine to not be that good? Yeah. I mean, I still, I still would like to, I do think

00:20:49that maybe playing four quarters would be more, more sound in the playoffs, but. Then

00:20:53you just dominate every game. That's no fun. Yeah. They're just, they'll go stretches where

00:20:58it'd be like, what are we watching? And then they'll turn it on and go nuclear. And you could

00:21:03feel the shift in the crowd. You can feel, I mean, this all goes, like I said, to Caleb

00:21:07Williams. I think Caleb Williams is a special, not only. Iceman. Talent, but I think he's

00:21:11a special personality and the leader and the way, I mean, he's a year two guy and the way

00:21:16he was yelling at his teammates. That's, that was a little rare. And you don't see that

00:21:21very often in a year two guy in his first playoff game. And he demands a lot of these

00:21:25guys. He was getting killed on every play. He was taking hits left and right. He just gets

00:21:30off the mat, makes the next play. If it doesn't work, makes the next play. And it's just,

00:21:35I think the entire team, stadium, city, all build off of that.

00:21:40And you know, it's kind of crazy to you. I don't think y'all could see this because you

00:21:44were at the game. Maybe you could, but LaFleur's body language became panicking.

00:21:49Oh, they tightened up. Yeah.

00:21:50He was panicking at the end of that game, like visibly frustrated, kind of like, ah, ah,

00:21:57like he, you could feel Caleb and the bears kind of exerting that fourth quarter voodoo

00:22:02into his brain. And yeah, it was a bad look. It was a bad look. Uh, he's on the hot seat,

00:22:07which, which is crazy. I mean, imagine that you knock out LaFleur and the GM on top of

00:22:13everything else. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a crazy world that we look at. Like you said,

00:22:18I don't know how good we are, but I'm telling you what, like Sunday looking ahead. Oh yeah.

00:22:21I want to, I want to, I want to get to that. I want to get to that in a second, but first

00:22:25we have to address the telefit in the room. I mean, I thought Saturday was the quintessential

00:22:30Caleb and he's done it the past four games. Very interesting. In the past four games, he's

00:22:36in on average 10 for 18 in the first three quarters, 184 yards, averaging half a touchdown

00:22:42pass. The fourth quarter, I know, I know you, you made a lot of this points. I want to put

00:22:46some context behind it. The fourth quarter averaging last four games, 12 for 21, 161

00:22:51yards, two touchdown passes. It's just a flip get switch. And I do think that there is a

00:22:56belief with, like you said, with the city, with the team that they know they don't have

00:22:59to panic because there is a giant avalanche coming.

00:23:04Steven Chase said, I am out on Caleb Williams. That was two months ago. Stay out.

00:23:10I can't, I can't, I can't stay out. I can't notice the trends. Yeah. Even in your joy,

00:23:14Dan, you can't find in your heart to forgive Steven and let him back in. I mean, you obviously

00:23:19were at the game, you didn't see the TV broadcast was crushing him for three quarters. Who cares?

00:23:24Everyone crushes him. I'm telling you that I'm not alone on this island. They all love the completion

00:23:28percentage. It's not just completion. He was bad for three quarters. He was incredible for

00:23:34the fourth quarter. I'm just saying that's the Caleb Williams experience. It is a very funny

00:23:39direct troll that he completes 50% of his passes. I love it. I love it. Be honest.

00:23:44with me at the pinnacle of your sports fandom happening. How soon after did you think of

00:23:49Steven Chase? I actually didn't at all. I'm not doing that for one second.

00:23:53No, I saw him on Sunday. Oh, no, no. We didn't see him. He was here. So I guess 25 minutes

00:23:59after the game. Okay. But that's not my fault. He was sitting in the kitchen and I saw him

00:24:04and I obviously immediately was like, yeah, what are you going to say now, buddy?

00:24:08Just shout out to my work ethic. Just an absolute grinder here at midnight.

00:24:12That's right. True. I guess so. What's the point of a work ethic if you get the takes

00:24:17wrong all the time? Right? Is that a good thing? He leaves it all on the field.

00:24:23It's like being like I work really hard, you know, asphalting, you know, the streets and

00:24:29then you go on the streets and they're all bumpy and there's just, you know.

00:24:32Well, let's revisit and I know you're not going to watch the video. The take was I don't

00:24:38know if he can win a Super Bowl playing like he plays. The way he's playing right now, that

00:24:41cannot win. You can't win a Super Bowl being bad for three quarters. I don't care how good

00:24:45you are in the fourth quarter. Okay. Well, we'll find out. See that we move the goalposts

00:24:48every time. We need to find a way to calculate Steven Chase completion percentage.

00:24:51Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely under 50. Okay. Let's let's. So one of the other storylines emerging

00:24:58out of this game, Ben Johnson after the game, F the Packers, which I mean, in my mind, I

00:25:03don't either. I hear that. I'm like, yeah, hell yeah. I don't think twice about it. It

00:25:07seemed to cause a bit of a stir. Ben Johnson was asked about it. And here's what he had

00:25:12to say. People have talked about like between you and LaFleur, you know, the two wins things,

00:25:18the handshakes beyond, you know, getting this important playoff win. Why is this important

00:25:25to you? Or is there something personal beyond that? This is a rivalry and city of Chicago,

00:25:32Green Bay, it needs to be a rivalry. I mean, yes. Standing by his comments, of course, like,

00:25:38like, I mean, this is not need to be, this is of course, cause the Iberflus and LaFleur pictures

00:25:43to pop up of them being all chummy at the game together. No, the tone needs to be set top down.

00:25:49And I love the fact that in almost Kurt Signetti-esque fashion, he gets the second win against LaFleur

00:25:56to justify his opening press conference statement about beating Matt LaFleur twice a year.

00:26:01This makes rivalries great. Yeah, like people who like don't like this kind of stuff are

00:26:06like AI robots. Yeah. Like there's no way you, he watches to be entertained. There's no way

00:26:11you don't like to be more entertained by people hating each other. Well, it's AI robots or it's

00:26:16Packers fans that only want a rivalry on their terms, which doesn't make it a rivalry. That's

00:26:21not, that's the thing is like, if you don't, if you're a Packers fan, you're genuinely upset

00:26:25that he said that in the locker room and then doubled down the next day, you just have to

00:26:30admit that you do not want a rivalry. You want a team that you can punch down on every

00:26:34single year and win no matter what. That does not make a rivalry. You want a rivalry with

00:26:38no stakes. That's not how it works in sports. Boys, as the Bears prepare to potentially move

00:26:44out of Soldier Field, I think it's worth celebrating the old girl for a minute here because the

00:26:50Packers missed kicks were a, you know, it was a part of the game, right? I found a pretty

00:26:54wild stat. Since 2016, opposing kickers in Soldier Field, if you look at 40, 45 yards,

00:27:01right, they're making 50% of their kicks. The league average is 81%. And coming up this

00:27:08week, you look at the Rams game. The Rams have not played a game that'll kick off under freezing

00:27:13since night in the playoffs, excuse me, since 1983. So like the bear weather coming through

00:27:20when it's needed most, it could potentially play another role this weekend. Yeah. And

00:27:24the home crowd was amazing. I mean, we were in the 300s and it was moving. Yeah. Like

00:27:28it was bouncing up and down. Yeah. Stafford isn't used to playing in Soldier Field. See,

00:27:32I'm going to agree with Nicky here. I don't, you can't, we can't, like I joke about bear weather

00:27:39all the time because I think it's funny. You got to play a good football game. Yeah. Weather

00:27:43really does not, like it matters a little bit. Well, I'm saying the kicking, I mean,

00:27:47that, that had a direct impact. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But I see this stack going around

00:27:51that everyone's sharing right now. That's like a dome teams or warm weather teams going to cold

00:27:56under 40 degrees. There are like one in 15 in the playoffs. And what, I don't know what the

00:28:01timeframe is. It's one of those stats that everyone has now just co-opted and passed around.

00:28:04You also have to look at the context of it is what, like if they're going on the road in the

00:28:10playoff, the home team is probably the better team, right? Yeah. This is a situation where the

00:28:16Rams are the better team. So like how many of those times has the better team won or is it just

00:28:21the cold team won? So I, I just, I get scared when we all, I like to have fun with the cold weather

00:28:28and stuff. You got to play football and Stafford's not going to be scared. I mean, Devontae Adams played

00:28:33in Green Bay. Like all these guys are going to be fine. It's just, you got to, you got

00:28:37to play football and, and we got to play four quarters. Cause I do think the Rams are a team

00:28:41that you cannot, they could bury us. Well, what's, what's kind of fun to say is, and you

00:28:46can say this legitimately is you're talking about two of the most clutch quarterbacks in

00:28:51the entire NFL matchup. I mean, look what Stafford just did against the Panthers. I think that's

00:28:55his fourth playoff or a game winning drive. He's, he's only second in my homes there.

00:29:01Yeah. Of course, Caleb set the record seven wins this year where they've been at a deficit

00:29:04under two minutes. I mean, these are two, these are the two Icemen going toe to toe

00:29:09here. It's pretty insane, but they, they do have, it does feel like the Rams have that

00:29:13gear where getting that, you know, I don't, I don't expect them to go a quarter and a half

00:29:18or a half of football without having their offense move the ball where the Packers were

00:29:23able to Packers let the bears back in the game because they went a quarter and a half there

00:29:26in the third and fourth quarter where they did nothing. Does it three and out every time?

00:29:30Does it scare you more or less that they struggle with the Panthers?

00:29:33Uh, I don't know. That was a weird game. It's a, I honestly, I owe, I truly do owe the division

00:29:39an apology because you guys put up a way better fight than the AFC. No, no, no, no, no.

00:29:45Look at that. Whoa, whoa. Yeah, no, he apologized to us, to the division South. No. The NFC

00:29:50South can hang with anybody. That's been true. Stephen Shea does not get to accept that apology.

00:29:53He said, on behalf of the NFC South. He said, he bitterly after the Falcons beat the Saints

00:29:57on Sunday last, two weeks ago, he bitterly tweeted, the Panthers are going to lose by

00:30:0120 plus. And we bet it. He said Finna, actually. Finna, yeah. So you don't get to take any crap.

00:30:07Was that your first, you know? Well, I tweeted right after the game. I said, hand up. I was

00:30:13wrong. This proves the NFC South can hang with anybody. Yeah, no.

00:30:16Now, I was game in two minutes left. Right. Like we said, you're a little AFC North. I said

00:30:22it. The North was the true. Yeah, get out of here. Also, the NFC East sucked. Sucks. They

00:30:27got away with two. Well, the Bears did. The Bears won the NFC North. They won the NFC East

00:30:33because we went 4-0 against the NFC East. Now we have to find a way to win the NFC West

00:30:38because we're basically in the NFC West. Yeah, I mean, not the NFC West. That's a different

00:30:42wagon. It's just us versus the NFC West. Yeah. All right. Coming up next,

00:30:46guys, we're going to play a fun game. Earlier this year, we made a wager. We drafted teams

00:30:50that we thought were in the Super Bowl in the middle of the season. Let's revisit it,

00:30:54see who's in the lead. Comes up next here at Wake Up Barstool.

00:31:01Welcome back to Wake Up Barstool on FS1. Okay, so earlier this year, halfway through the NFL

00:31:06season, we played a game where we looked at a lot of the potential playoff teams. We did

00:31:12a snake draft. We drafted them. It involved trades for future picks in Nicky's part. But

00:31:19we all now have teams that if they win the Super Bowl, everybody else in the show has

00:31:24to treat that person to a nice dinner at, is it Gale Street Inn or Gale Street Table?

00:31:29Gale Street Inn. Gale Street Inn. Just reopened.

00:31:30You've been since it's reopened? Not yet.

00:31:32Okay, we got a, that's a scary moment.

00:31:33It's a suburb place, right? No? Did I make that up?

00:31:35No, it's in Jefferson Park.

00:31:36Okay, yeah. It reopened new ownership, so we haven't tried it yet, but we do love it.

00:31:41So, let's do a little check-in now that we're through a round of the playoffs and see where

00:31:47everybody remains. Okay, let's see here. So, start with Che. I like this.

00:31:52Oh. Steve, what happened?

00:31:56Let's not pretend that when I drafted the Chiefs at number one, everyone was not upset.

00:32:00They couldn't get the Chiefs at number one. So, yes. Sorry I missed on the Chiefs. Patrick

00:32:05Mahomes got hurt. Lamar Jackson also missed some games. Daniel Jones got hurt. All my

00:32:09quarterbacks got hurt.

00:32:09Did you actually curse every team on here, Steve?

00:32:12Che, you didn't get in the playoffs?

00:32:14Not a single team in the playoffs.

00:32:16Wow.

00:32:16They all got injured. All my quarterbacks got injured.

00:32:18Well, you should have seen that coming.

00:32:19And Baker Mayfield. So, what's the common denominator here?

00:32:23Wow.

00:32:24Damn.

00:32:25Good job, Che.

00:32:25Not great curse.

00:32:26If you're wondering why Eddie has four teams, Nicky, would you like to explain yourself?

00:32:31Do you remember?

00:32:32Not at all.

00:32:33You had the Broncos and you traded the Broncos for a future pick in next year's midseason

00:32:41NFL team.

00:32:41Oh, yeah. That's right. That's right. I'm happy about it.

00:32:43So, Ed made a short-term. Oh, yeah. And you got the Lions.

00:32:46It was a rebuild year for Terraney, man.

00:32:48You got the Lions in return.

00:32:50Yeah. Okay. So, okay. I traded. Yeah.

00:32:53Eddie, you're looking pretty good.

00:32:55Pretty good.

00:32:55You fleeced me, Ed.

00:32:56That was a great trade.

00:32:57Yeah.

00:32:57So, wait. No one has the Texans?

00:33:00No.

00:33:00No, they were terrible at the time.

00:33:02So, I don't know what happens then.

00:33:03Big Cat, give them to Che.

00:33:06Yeah, I'll give them to Che. I'll give... No.

00:33:09You have too much to lose with the Texans.

00:33:10Yeah, I have too much to lose. I nailed this draft. I mean, Rams and Seahawks.

00:33:14Yeah, I know.

00:33:15You got to feel pretty confident.

00:33:16I know. I know. It's sad.

00:33:17Like, that's a good likelihood that that could be the NFC Championship.

00:33:21You had three playoff teams.

00:33:23You did, too.

00:33:23I had three playoff teams, but look at pick 15, guys.

00:33:27Five and three at the time.

00:33:29Nobody wanted to believe.

00:33:30Come on, Bears.

00:33:31Yeah.

00:33:32I need this Gale Street and meal, dude.

00:33:34I should have taken the Bears with pick 14.

00:33:37I think I was probably saying that I can't go so heavy on the three NFC teams.

00:33:42No, we scoffed at him when he took the Bears.

00:33:44We're like, oh, come on, dude.

00:33:45Well, so we were just going to the touchstones where he came back on air.

00:33:48We had 0-2, Eddie's in the boiler room, life's a disaster.

00:33:53Including, like, getting dominated by the Lions, all that, right?

00:33:55Then there was the Gateway game where Dan set it up, which is insane how far the Gateway has come.

00:34:01Oh, my God.

00:34:02It opened everything.

00:34:03Then it was...

00:34:04Changed our lives.

00:34:05Thinking about thinking about the playoffs, which I think is when we did this.

00:34:08Yeah.

00:34:09Five and three, we were still thinking about thinking about...

00:34:11We were like, we just, like, Flacco just dropped 50 on us or something.

00:34:15Yeah, so it was right...

00:34:17Crazy.

00:34:17The Black Friday game was when it kind of changed in our mind.

00:34:21So that's where it started to shift.

00:34:24This is good.

00:34:25And then, Nick, you still have the Bills.

00:34:26I think I'm still very alive.

00:34:28I think the Bills, by the way, we can talk about that game.

00:34:32The Bills winning on the road, first time since 1992.

00:34:37Yep.

00:34:37First time in the McDermott era as well.

00:34:39First time in the McDermott era.

00:34:40I think that takes a little bit of pressure off them.

00:34:43I think they can start to play a little bit freer.

00:34:45Because that did feel like it was a first...

00:34:48Even as...

00:34:49It's weird to say, but they're the sixth seed.

00:34:52But they have what seems like the most pressure on them in the AFC playoffs.

00:34:56Totally.

00:34:56And I think they might have gotten...

00:34:59Not their monkey off their back.

00:35:00But at least, like, hey, we did it once.

00:35:03We didn't get eliminated in the first round.

00:35:04There's all this talk about McDermott.

00:35:07You know, potentially being on the hot seat.

00:35:09Now they can go out there, play some ball.

00:35:12I saw that, like, Ed Oliver might be back.

00:35:14Yeah.

00:35:14He's returning to practice.

00:35:16Right.

00:35:16They've gotten a couple guys that look like they might be coming back, which would be incredible

00:35:20for them.

00:35:21Yeah.

00:35:21The Bills, I don't think they're that great.

00:35:24I mean, no one's really great.

00:35:25That's the thing.

00:35:26Yeah.

00:35:26I don't think they're that great.

00:35:27But they still have Josh Allen.

00:35:29That was my entire take going into that game.

00:35:31The Jaguars were the better team overall.

00:35:33But when you have Josh Allen, that's the greatest, you know, equalizer.

00:35:37And that's how it played out.

00:35:38And that's exactly how it played out.

00:35:39I do fear every piece of his body is hurt.

00:35:42Yes.

00:35:43Absolutely.

00:35:43Every inch.

00:35:44That knee injury should have been, like, it was crazy.

00:35:47That looked bad.

00:35:47It was backwards.

00:35:48He also does feel, though, like he can take unending damage.

00:35:52Yeah.

00:35:52Like, he's a true tank.

00:35:54Yeah, but the way the Jags lost that game kind of makes you scratch your head.

00:35:57Like, he threw that pass, didn't have to do it.

00:35:59They just needed to get arranged for a little.

00:36:01It was weird, right?

00:36:03Like, there was a debate.

00:36:05Che was all over it.

00:36:07Like, they shouldn't.

00:36:07They left too much time on the clock.

00:36:10And then the Jags just kind of bundled it.

00:36:11That was weird.

00:36:12Because watching in real time, we all thought that they let them score.

00:36:16But it turns out, like, on the replay, that they just had a great push in the offensive line.

00:36:20Wait, they didn't let them score?

00:36:21No, they let them score on the final touch pitch.

00:36:23Yeah, on the final touch pitch.

00:36:24The one before Che's.

00:36:25Correct, correct, correct.

00:36:26The ones that get to, like, the one.

00:36:28No, no, yeah.

00:36:28From the six-inch line, though, yes.

00:36:30They absolutely were like, come on in.

00:36:31Che, I've been thinking about it more because Stephen, when we're watching the game, he's

00:36:34like, you know, Stephen was a very accomplished Madden player.

00:36:39No big deal.

00:36:39Facts.

00:36:40Won how many Super Bowls?

00:36:44Honestly, countless.

00:36:45Countless Super Bowls.

00:36:46Infinite Super Bowls.

00:36:48And he said that the Bills in this situation on the goal line, with a minute and five seconds

00:36:53left, the Jaguars have no timeouts.

00:36:55The Bills have all three of their timeouts.

00:36:57They should kneel it one time, get it down to 30 seconds.

00:37:01Yeah.

00:37:01Let's call a timeout, then get in there.

00:37:03And I was thinking about it more, Chase, because I agreed with you.

00:37:06I think that if Sean McDermott was a little more safe in his job, he would have done that.

00:37:11Yeah, that's fair.

00:37:12That's fair.

00:37:12Because if they don't get in, dude.

00:37:14Sean McDermott, I do not think, will be fired.

00:37:16But if you kneel the ball on first down and then do not get in there and lose the game,

00:37:23I think it's instant fired.

00:37:25Yeah, I think that's fair.

00:37:26Also, you can't, and would you, I wonder if you even practice this, because I don't

00:37:30remember, I was definitely never part of a team that did, but the NFL's different.

00:37:34But like, you shouldn't kneel it either, right?

00:37:37You should almost just fall like straight down.

00:37:39Yeah, I mean, you take a short kneel, like right now they give you a loss of one, because

00:37:42you're on the like one foot line pretty much.

00:37:45If you can get that back to five feet, I was thinking, is probably the safe distance.

00:37:50I mean, you got the number one rushing offense in the NFL.

00:37:52You have Josh Allen.

00:37:53You should, given three chances, you should do it.

00:37:55That's fair.

00:37:56And the biggest reason to do this, you know, Jacksonville had one timeout, or no timeout

00:38:00of the time, but you're going against Cam Little, who's a guy who can kick it from 70

00:38:05yards, and they just need that to tie.

00:38:07Obviously, it didn't work out with Trevor Lawrence on the pick on the first or second

00:38:10play, but that is a scary proposition.

00:38:13I wonder if teams practice that play, because it is a very difficult play, and you don't want

00:38:17to, T-Bob's right, you don't want to lose yards.

00:38:20Sure.

00:38:21You also don't really want to have your quarterback, like Josh Allen, dive and become a pile.

00:38:25Right, yeah.

00:38:26So maybe that's the other part of this, is do they have a specific play where it's like

00:38:30you cannot lose any yards, but you have to stop the...

00:38:33I've never heard of it.

00:38:34You're going to lose a little bit.

00:38:34I can imagine just like falling.

00:38:35Like, you did it, and just instead of kneeling, he's just falling.

00:38:37But then you're putting Josh Allen in harm's way.

00:38:40Well, the O-line has to fire out.

00:38:42Yeah.

00:38:42Like, they got to protect him, and he has to fall.

00:38:44But whatever, look, they end up betting on their defense.

00:38:47Defense comes through, and I guess what I don't want to get lost here is, or maybe I want

00:38:53to see if you all agree with this.

00:38:54Like, that's a very quality Jags team.

00:38:57Yeah.

00:38:57Like, that is one of the best teams in the NFL that they beat on the road in the playoffs.

00:39:02It is not like Rams-Panthers.

00:39:04That was a good game.

00:39:05Don't get me wrong.

00:39:05The Panthers acquitted themselves well.

00:39:07But, like, that was a very good win.

00:39:08If that team's in any other uniform with any other logo, I think that's a bigger win.

00:39:12Yes.

00:39:13For the public eye.

00:39:14I agree.

00:39:15I agree.

00:39:16All right.

00:39:16Coming up next, let's shift our perspective away from the playoffs a little bit.

00:39:20We're going to do some Cancun conversations.

00:39:23Talking about what the main goal should be for some of these off-season teams.

00:39:26More Wake Up Arsenal on the other side.

00:39:28So, in every football game, there's a winner, there's a loser.

00:39:35In the playoffs, it means more, because one team's season comes to an end, meaning they

00:39:40can go to Disney with the fam, Cancun, wherever.

00:39:43The point of this segment is, we're going to look at the losers from this first round

00:39:46of the playoffs, and we're going to kind of ask the major questions about each team.

00:39:50And let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles.

00:39:54Obviously, coming off of a Super Bowl, this season was frustrating.

00:39:58For many of the fans, and I think the question kind of begins, what's the solution here?

00:40:04Do you get rid of Sirianni?

00:40:06I mean, A.J. Brown's probably got to go, but then again, he's got a crazy cap hit.

00:40:10If you're the Eagles, what do you do in this off-season?

00:40:13I'll let you guys start.

00:40:15I have the extremes.

00:40:16I have both extremes.

00:40:17I mean, they can't do the A.J. Brown thing again.

00:40:18No.

00:40:20You can't go through another season of that.

00:40:22No.

00:40:22It's too much.

00:40:23It's too much back and forth.

00:40:24A lot of drama.

00:40:25Yeah, it's too much.

00:40:26Unending.

00:40:26It's much dissension, yes.

00:40:27The only problem is, and I don't even know how you could change this.

00:40:31To Dan's point, I mean, the cap is fake.

00:40:32We all know that.

00:40:33But right now, if you traded him, he would carry a $66 million debt cap hit.

00:40:40That's a lot of money.

00:40:41Yeah, that is a lot of money.

00:40:42The simple fix is Kevin Petulo's got to go.

00:40:46Yeah, well, that's obvious.

00:40:47That's obvious.

00:40:48The extreme one is Jalen Hurts got to go.

00:40:51Whoa.

00:40:52Whoa.

00:40:52I'm just saying extreme.

00:40:53I don't believe this.

00:40:54I think Jalen Hurts is very good.

00:40:56But that's, we're talking extreme changes.

00:41:00Just be like, hey, is the offense limited because of the offensive coordinator, because

00:41:04of the quarterback?

00:41:05I don't know.

00:41:05I think that's the only change they need to make.

00:41:07Yeah.

00:41:07Very winnable division.

00:41:09I think they have to do the least out of anybody.

00:41:11But you've got to keep one.

00:41:12Yeah, it's very level-headed and probably correct, Nicky.

00:41:15You've got to keep one.

00:41:15It's good for TV, I'm sure.

00:41:17Well, I'm keeping Sirianni, right?

00:41:18I mean, like you said, the A.J. Brown thing, I'm with you.

00:41:21Like, dead money, it's untenable.

00:41:25The situation is.

00:41:26It's too much drama.

00:41:27It's every single week.

00:41:28It's too many headlines.

00:41:29It's, it's, ah, but I, now that we're talking about it out loud, they're like, but what if

00:41:34the new OC comes in?

00:41:35It's like, no, we can make it work.

00:41:36We need it, yeah.

00:41:37Like, no, we can do this.

00:41:38But you're not, like, screwed.

00:41:39Like, you've still got Devonta Smith.

00:41:40Like, there's still guys there.

00:41:42I know.

00:41:42Who do you replace A.J. Brown with?

00:41:44Like, George Pickens?

00:41:46Is that going to be less of a headache?

00:41:47I mean, listen, it was still a net win that won a Super Bowl.

00:41:50It was a good trade.

00:41:51Yeah.

00:41:51Yeah, so, absolutely.

00:41:53And Howie's the best in the business, so he'll figure it out.

00:41:55But I think it is probably as simple as getting, I mean, you can see the Steelers have, when

00:41:59they have a serious offensive coordinator, they go to the Super Bowl.

00:42:01When they have one of Nick Sirianni's friends, they don't.

00:42:04And that's been every other year for the last four years, and this was a non-serious one.

00:42:10So, you know, they had the Shane Steichen, Kellen Moore years where they went to a Super Bowl.

00:42:14Then they had the Kevin Petullo, and I can't even remember the other guy's name, where

00:42:17they didn't.

00:42:18So, they just got to fix that, and they'll probably be fine.

00:42:20Okay, Packers.

00:42:21Do they do anything?

00:42:23Do they move on from LeFleur?

00:42:25I hope so, for the Bears' sake.

00:42:27Right, like, I don't think, I think they'd be a little, I think this would be a little

00:42:31wild for them to move on from LeFleur.

00:42:33Do you think he deserves to get fired for how he coached that game, though?

00:42:36I don't know if it's how he coached the game, but here's the thing.

00:42:38The Packers, it does feel like there's maybe an identity loss with the Packers right now,

00:42:45where if you get them on the ropes, like, adversity-wise, they don't feel like the toughest team.

00:42:51Is that right to say?

00:42:51No, like I said, LeFleur's body language was terrible.

00:42:54And I think LeFleur's a very good coach, but I do think there's something that needs

00:42:58to be fixed there for them, identity-wise.

00:43:01They have really good players, and they got, I think the Packers can probably run it back

00:43:06and be like, hey, you got Micah Parsons, you have Tucker Craft, you got, you know, Zach

00:43:10Tom, all these guys that are really, really good players, you're not going to have that

00:43:13injury luck, or bad luck, but I do think that, identity-wise, they have missed something.

00:43:21The toughness to it.

00:43:22Is it, I don't think this is a strong cycle of, like, coaching.

00:43:25Yeah, that's the other thing.

00:43:26So, like, would you rather, if you were getting rid of your head coach, gamble on somebody

00:43:30or wait a year?

00:43:31I don't know what you'd rather do.

00:43:33I'm kind of with you.

00:43:34I would almost hold Pat, just because I don't, there's no, like, surefire candidate out there

00:43:39right now.

00:43:39I mean, the obvious thing is they got to get a new kicker.

00:43:42Brandon McMahon has seven missed points left out there on Saturn.

00:43:46Soldier Field.

00:43:47Yeah.

00:43:48Soldier Field, baby.

00:43:49Bearweather.

00:43:50Wind and whatnot.

00:43:51Shout out Cairo Santa.

00:43:53Always getting it.

00:43:53Is Harbaugh an upgrade?

00:43:57No.

00:43:58It feels neutral.

00:43:59I say no.

00:44:00It does feel neutral.

00:44:01But I guess it's kind of, a lot of the whole, like, Harbaugh's to fancy, like, all those

00:44:05overlapping circles feel, like, neutral in some way, where maybe the value just comes

00:44:09from a new voice.

00:44:11All right, coming up next, let's gauge in some supreme debate.

00:44:14We've got more off-season conversations we'll continue to get throughout the entire week as

00:44:17well.

00:44:18This is Chicago, here at Barstool Sports HQ.

00:44:22More on FS1.

00:44:27What's going on, y'all?

00:44:28Welcome back to Wake of Barstool on FS1.

00:44:31Hour 2.

00:44:31We kick it off every single Tuesday with Supreme Debate.

00:44:35We have the conversations no one else is willing to have on television.

00:44:40Eddie, you're going to kick us off today.

00:44:42What do we got?

00:44:42Listen, I don't know how much of a debate this is, but the wild card weekend reminded me how

00:44:47much I missed the chain gang.

00:44:49Yes.

00:44:49It really did, right?

00:44:51Like, there was something, it's, the drama means more.

00:44:54I agree.

00:44:54Not only do I miss the chain gang, we were talking about this on Pardon My Take, and the graphic

00:45:02that they use, the virtual measurement, is one of the dumbest things possible, because

00:45:08it's the refs spotting the ball.

00:45:11Yeah.

00:45:12So it's not, so you see the, you see the, um, when they go and they show the, the virtual

00:45:18measurement, and you think it's something official, and you forget the refs, the human

00:45:23element, has already still been involved here.

00:45:25They put the ball where they think it is.

00:45:27They just eyeballed.

00:45:28They just eyeballed.

00:45:28It is no different than Stephen Shea putting all of his thoughts about what the season

00:45:34is going to have in the NFL, and then calling it data.

00:45:36You're obsessed with this, man.

00:45:37I am obsessed with it.

00:45:38But don't you think it's ridiculous that they make it look like this official computer

00:45:42model?

00:45:43You know how in the, in tennis, uh, in tennis, they'll do, uh, yeah, that's, that's sick,

00:45:50the hot guy.

00:45:51Because they actually can, like, track where the ball is.

00:45:54This is just a ref sticking the ball down, and then them being like, look, put it on a

00:45:58computer screen for you.

00:45:59So we're kind of doing, like, a mixed media thing.

00:46:02Are you saying we need to have it all one way or another?

00:46:04Yes.

00:46:04It's fake.

00:46:05All human or all computer?

00:46:06It's got to be a chip in the ball or bring back the chain game.

00:46:09If a chip in the ball, I'd be fine.

00:46:10Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:11It's like, you know you got it right every time.

00:46:12Yes.

00:46:13We said it when the chain game news broke, though.

00:46:15It's, you know, our kids are never going to know the joy of the extension, and then watching

00:46:20it slowly come down to the ground, it's just, it's a bummer.

00:46:23Yeah, the Jadavian Clowney play does not mean the same.

00:46:26No, without a doubt.

00:46:27There's no chain game.

00:46:28And you're right, the graphic makes it worse.

00:46:29Yeah.

00:46:30Yeah.

00:46:30Uh, all right, let's go to Nicky.

00:46:33Yeah, we were watching the Steeler game last night, and I'm sure we all have the same

00:46:36thought.

00:46:37Is Mike Tomlin Harry Truman?

00:46:41Mm.

00:46:41We all, I think you said it, T-Bob.

00:46:43I think you texted me.

00:46:43You said, I think this guy might be Harry Truman.

00:46:45Oh, here we go.

00:46:47Tomlin was born the year Harry Truman died.

00:46:49Okay.

00:46:50They both inherited a strong team.

00:46:52Right off the bat, a huge win over the red and white.

00:46:55Mm.

00:46:55Tomlin over the Cardinals.

00:46:57Harry over Japan.

00:46:59Mm-hmm.

00:46:59Uh, they rebuilt around Big Ben after, uh, you know, got taken down.

00:47:03Uh, they're cocky to the media, and then an army leader outspoken against him, uh, Jerry

00:47:07and Dwight D. Uh, I think...

00:47:11He might be.

00:47:12Mike Tomlin is Harry Truman reborn.

00:47:15Mike Truman?

00:47:16I never, I mean, I texted you...

00:47:17Oh, Mike Tomlin.

00:47:18I, I, I, I texted you, but I, I had no idea that it went this way.

00:47:21I, I had people blowing up my phone.

00:47:23They were like, is Tomlin Harry Truman?

00:47:24Harry Truman?

00:47:25Yeah.

00:47:26And, uh, I think, I think it might be the case.

00:47:29Where was Harry Truman in the, in, like, President's, was he a good one?

00:47:34He was after FDR.

00:47:35No, I know that, but, like, was he...

00:47:37He dropped the bomb.

00:47:38Yeah, he's kind of, he says the buck stops here, that's what he's known for.

00:47:40The buck stops, they're quote guys.

00:47:42Yeah.

00:47:42They are quote guys.

00:47:44So does that mean that, is Cowher FDR then?

00:47:46Cowher's FDR.

00:47:47Okay.

00:47:48They look alike, too.

00:47:49Yeah.

00:47:50Um, I, I don't, I don't think Truman is especially well thought of.

00:47:54Okay.

00:47:55I'm not, I'm not a hundred percent.

00:47:56I have no idea.

00:47:57He is just, he's passable.

00:47:59He's passable.

00:48:01I'm at the point, I'm at the point in my life where, like, I couldn't pass a third grade

00:48:04history test.

00:48:05So.

00:48:06Yeah.

00:48:06I'll just admit that.

00:48:08Yeah.

00:48:08Does he do anything mediocre?

00:48:10Truman?

00:48:10Yeah.

00:48:10Almost everything.

00:48:11Yeah.

00:48:11I think that was kind of his deal, is that he was like, he was thrust into FDR's shoes,

00:48:17who's like one of the most, you know, just one of the biggest characters we've ever seen

00:48:21walk the earth.

00:48:22And then he was just more of like a guy.

00:48:24He didn't see China coming.

00:48:26Blindsided him.

00:48:26He didn't know, he didn't see the uprising of China.

00:48:28He was thrust into FDR's shoes.

00:48:30Uh-huh.

00:48:31Yeah, because those are.

00:48:32Probably pretty wonky.

00:48:33Yeah.

00:48:34No one was going to say, they haven't been used.

00:48:35Not a lot of wear and tear.

00:48:36Yeah, right.

00:48:37Brand new kicks.

00:48:38Not a lot of wear and tear on those shoes.

00:48:41He wasn't fit for the chair.

00:48:42Yeah.

00:48:43All right.

00:48:43Okay.

00:48:44My supreme debate.

00:48:46He didn't see China coming?

00:48:47Nah, blindsided him.

00:48:48I did not see China coming.

00:48:49Yeah, I know.

00:48:50It's right there.

00:48:51It's right there, man.

00:48:53Supreme debate.

00:48:54Should Harry Truman have seen China?

00:48:56No.

00:48:56So, Mike McDaniel will be a great, would be a great head coach for the Atlanta Falcons.

00:49:05I agree.

00:49:06I thought about it last night, and I know there's supposed to be like absurd debates, and a lot of people would laugh at this, but no, I think this would be really good.

00:49:13I totally agree.

00:49:14The idea that you get fired, and then you immediately, obviously, you know, John Harbaugh, he's going to get hired.

00:49:21Stefanski might get hired.

00:49:23But Mike McDaniel didn't accomplish anything.

00:49:25He didn't win a playoff game.

00:49:27So, everyone in their head says, well, he's going to be an offensive coordinator.

00:49:30Why?

00:49:31He wasn't that bad of a head coach.

00:49:33I agree.

00:49:34And the two of us went sideways.

00:49:35Tyreek Hill went super sideways on him.

00:49:38I'm kind of like, man, you give McDaniel like Bijan and Hicks and London.

00:49:43Like, I feel like maybe get Penix going.

00:49:46Jay, I see you don't agree?

00:49:49I do.

00:49:49He's the guy I want for our offensive coordinator to eventually succeed Todd Bowles, and he just interviewed with the Falcons,

00:49:54and so I'm hoping that that does not go through.

00:49:55And his best year in Miami was, what, 2023 when he had Vic Fangio on staff?

00:50:00Like, if he can get a good defensive coordinator, I agree with you.

00:50:06Now, the question for Mike McDaniel is, do you think that you need a little time to learn about what went wrong?

00:50:14Because I do believe that the second chance guys, there is a chance to hit on them,

00:50:19but they do have to do a little bit of soul searching, understanding what went wrong.

00:50:24I saw Matt Nagy, our old friend, get an anonymous 45-page report written about him from his, like, coaching staff and everyone in the building.

00:50:33He, like, commissioned.

00:50:34Oh, he, like, commissioned.

00:50:35Oh, wow.

00:50:35Interesting.

00:50:36About what he got wrong.

00:50:38He's doing the kind of tour right now, being like, I know that I meddled too much.

00:50:42I got to let people do their thing more often.

00:50:45But there is something that they probably, it takes some time to learn what you got wrong the first time.

00:50:51I mean, Coach O did that, I know a lot of people, because of how it ended the second time around.

00:50:55A lot of people dismiss a lot of what O did, but after his old miss debacle, he was very, very forward about that.

00:51:01Same type deal.

00:51:02And I think it's a certain skill set with head coaching where you, if you are a coordinator, most of these head coaches were a coordinator beforehand,

00:51:11you're only, you're obsessed, you're maniacally obsessed with your side of the ball and what goes on and teaching it and calling plays.

00:51:18Because when you now have to be the head coach and have to deal with everyone's issues, it's a totally different ball game.

00:51:23What a strange year when three guys who got fired were probably instantly getting other jobs.

00:51:27Yeah.

00:51:28Yeah.

00:51:28Right?

00:51:28Stefanski, Harbaugh, he's probably the most of a long shot.

00:51:32He has a chance to.

00:51:33There's a couple teams I think that have been interesting.

00:51:34Crazy.

00:51:34It is crazy.

00:51:35When has that happened?

00:51:36Yeah.

00:51:37Yeah, usually, I mean, like, Mike McCarthy had to sit out a year.

00:51:39Yeah.

00:51:40Most of these guys, Grable had to sit out a year.

00:51:42Uh-huh.

00:51:42Yeah.

00:51:43It is true.

00:51:43If this second head coaching stint doesn't work, he's going to be doomed to a decade plus of being a quarterback.

00:51:49Well, I don't think you ever, do you ever get a third?

00:51:51I think you do if you do the time.

00:51:53Well, you get a third if you were also really good.

00:51:55Yeah.

00:51:56Okay, that's true.

00:51:56You know what I mean?

00:51:57Because, like, a Dennis Allen, he's never getting a third.

00:51:59No.

00:51:59Like, both.

00:52:00But Mike McCarthy could potentially get a third.

00:52:02John Fox got a third.

00:52:03Yep, John Fox got a third.

00:52:05Okay.

00:52:05So, yeah, there's definitely some guys out there who have gotten a third shot at it.

00:52:10But, yeah, we were saying during break, Matt LaFleur was the oldest coach in the NFC playoffs.

00:52:16That's so wild to me, dude.

00:52:17That's shocking.

00:52:1846 years old.

00:52:18He's a month older than Kyle Shanahan.

00:52:20And you look at the NFC, and it's pretty crazy.

00:52:22Because I have now, this year more than any year, and it's a large part because of the Bears,

00:52:28has crystallized that this is a coaching league.

00:52:30That's it.

00:52:31Like, this is, I know the players matter.

00:52:32I know the quarterback matters.

00:52:33But coaching, if you have the right coach, above all else, that can get you places.

00:52:39And then look at what we have in the Final Four in the NFC with Ben Johnson, Sean McVay,

00:52:44Kyle Shanahan, and Mike McDonald.

00:52:45Like, all these guys are young and really, really good.

00:52:48Che, you got one?

00:52:50Yes.

00:52:51The Jags reporter.

00:52:52Is she an industry plant?

00:52:54Let's play the sound real quick from this question.

00:52:57How you doing today?

00:52:58Lynn Jones, Jacksonville Free Press News.

00:53:00I just want to tell you congratulations on your success, young man.

00:53:03You hold your head up, all right?

00:53:04You guys have had a most magnificent season.

00:53:07And you did a great job out there today.

00:53:09Appreciate it.

00:53:09So you just hold your head up, okay?

00:53:11Thank you, man.

00:53:11And ladies and gentlemen, Duval, you the one, all right?

00:53:13Thank you, man.

00:53:14You keep it going.

00:53:14We got another season, okay?

00:53:15I appreciate it.

00:53:16Take care, and much continued success to you and the entire team.

00:53:19Thank you, man.

00:53:20So first off, I loved this question, which was pretty polarizing.

00:53:24Schefter tweeting out that it was an awesome moment, and then some guy from the AP and a

00:53:27bunch of legacy media people saying this is the most unprofessional thing ever.

00:53:32What I wanted to know was, what was her history, and had she done this before?

00:53:36She has been working as a journalist with the Jaguars since their inception in 1995.

00:53:43So I wanted to see what happened after the 2017, or I guess the 2017 season, the AFC Championship

00:53:48game where they lost to the Pats.

00:53:50Yeah.

00:53:51Did Doug Marone get a good job?

00:53:53Nice season, keep your head up?

00:53:54Nowhere to be found.

00:53:56Also, she doesn't have a Twitter.

00:53:58She's a journalist.

00:53:59She's a journalist without a Twitter?

00:53:59She's a journalist, no Twitter.

00:54:01So I want to see Lynn Jones Turpin.

00:54:03Where are you at?

00:54:04I saw her do some news hits.

00:54:05I'm actually a big fan, but where are you at?

00:54:07So I'm a little shocked.

00:54:10That might be its own news set.

00:54:11Yeah.

00:54:12Where are you at?

00:54:13Where are you at?

00:54:14And wait, you said you were a big fan of her?

00:54:17I loved the question.

00:54:17I thought it was very cool.

00:54:19All of the people getting their panties in a bunch about this, like, relax.

00:54:22It was 27 seconds or something like that.

00:54:25I thought it was a very cool moment.

00:54:27And I saw her do a news hit yesterday saying that Liam Cohen was kind of emotional, and I thought

00:54:33it was appropriate, and I watched the full press conference, and she was right.

00:54:36Liam Cohen looked like on the verge of tears and had been emotional, which, understandably,

00:54:40the season came to a crashing halt.

00:54:42But I thought it was a very cool moment.

00:54:44Were you guys in favor of this question?

00:54:45It makes me think that Liam Cohen's a good guy, and anyone who was mean to him should feel

00:54:49bad.

00:54:49Yeah.

00:54:50On record, Liam Cohen, top five NFL head coach.

00:54:52I'm absolutely in favor of it.

00:54:54I mean, I know a lot of people have had the take where it's like, it's sports.

00:54:59We cover sports.

00:55:00You know, the journalists, they hold themselves to a standard that I don't know how relevant

00:55:05it is always.

00:55:06What I was a bit surprised with, though, is like, I heard that question, and I worked

00:55:10in local media for a long time.

00:55:12You could immediately tell, like, that woman is a kind of, like, has to be like a local

00:55:17legend, right?

00:55:18Yeah.

00:55:18Like, somebody who's, like, been in the game forever.

00:55:20Everybody kind of knows, she's your beloved local newswoman.

00:55:24Like, it felt obvious to me.

00:55:25I don't know why all these other media types got so upset about it.

00:55:28I also think it's very important in today's day and age when, you know, social media,

00:55:33everyone has social media, everyone has a take.

00:55:34I think it's very important that we have to still reserve the right to say, I don't care.

00:55:39Yeah.

00:55:40Yeah, you don't care.

00:55:40This didn't matter to me one way or the other.

00:55:43Like, I scrolled right past it.

00:55:44I saw a lot of people upset about it.

00:55:46I saw a lot of people, like, this is the sweetest thing ever.

00:55:48I was like, okay, there's football on.

00:55:50This was a 17-second thing in a press conference.

00:55:52This should be the standard.

00:55:54The price of asking me a question is one compliment.

00:55:58Every press conference, give me one quick, then ask your question.

00:56:01There's some guy in the back who's just so mad because he couldn't ask Liam Cohn to walk

00:56:06him through his decision on that.

00:56:08Yes, that's what this is.

00:56:10But yeah, this is a very big red blinking sign saying, I don't care.

00:56:17But that's okay.

00:56:18You can say, I don't care.

00:56:19I think we should bring back, I don't care.

00:56:22And if she's been with him since 95, like, listen, let her do her thing.

00:56:25Yeah, like, tapping out of things is because everyone just immediately needs the most aggressive

00:56:29opinion.

00:56:30I think it's okay to just, and it's probably not great TV right now to say it, but I don't

00:56:34care.

00:56:35Okay, I was told we have another one.

00:56:37Is this from the production room here?

00:56:40Should athletes...

00:56:41Oh, yeah, LeBron.

00:56:44This is real?

00:56:46Yeah, it started last night.

00:56:48So explain it to us, Steven.

00:56:50So he's played 23 seasons.

00:56:52The only player to have ever done that.

00:56:54He made his debut in Sacramento.

00:56:56So they were playing the Kings last night.

00:56:57So they are going to do this for the rest of the season.

00:57:00Every one of his jerseys is going to have this 23 seasons patch on it.

00:57:04Now, the rub of it is that Topps, the card company, is going to cut out all of those

00:57:12patches from each game and then put it on a card, which I think is really cool.

00:57:17That's the only reason they're doing it.

00:57:18Yeah, but that's...

00:57:19I would imagine so.

00:57:20But LeBron is wearing a patch for himself that only he has.

00:57:24Correct.

00:57:25That's insane.

00:57:26I don't know.

00:57:26It's like a general wearing, like, medals, isn't it?

00:57:29I mean, he's been in for 23 years.

00:57:30Yeah, but that one is the military.

00:57:33Yeah, but so what?

00:57:34We usually do the patches for when people die.

00:57:37It's a tough thing.

00:57:38This is crazy.

00:57:39I don't know.

00:57:40I...

00:57:41You know what?

00:57:42I don't think I care.

00:57:44Okay.

00:57:46Actually, now that we're talking it out, I don't know.

00:57:48See, this is going to become a habit because we're about to become so indifferent on it.

00:57:52No, but that's what it is.

00:57:53It's another money-making thing, right?

00:57:55Yeah.

00:57:55It's for cards.

00:57:56Well, if you like cards, that's cool, right?

00:57:58Or no, are the card guys not...

00:57:59But how many cards are there going to be sold?

00:58:01There's 80-something or 60-something?

00:58:02There'll probably be about 50-ish.

00:58:04It just started last night.

00:58:05I think that one-of-one Paul Skeen's card where the Pirates were offering season tickets,

00:58:10a game with Livy.

00:58:12Yeah.

00:58:12I think that was, like, kind of a downward slide with all these stunts.

00:58:17Well, congrats, man.

00:58:20No!

00:58:20What?

00:58:21What?

00:58:21He got a patch for himself?

00:58:23Okay, no congrats.

00:58:25I thought this was fake.

00:58:26I thought it was getting sensual.

00:58:28We got to get one made for you.

00:58:30How many years?

00:58:30A patch?

00:58:31Yeah.

00:58:32Every podcast.

00:58:33You wear the patch.

00:58:34Nobody's done it this long, man.

00:58:35Oh, man.

00:58:36There we go.

00:58:36And next year when you sell the YAC cards, you could have the big patch.

00:58:40Oh, no.

00:58:40We have to do it.

00:58:43All right.

00:58:44We got plenty more of Wake Up Barstool.

00:58:46When we get back, we continue some of our Cancun conversations.

00:58:48Look forward to the next round of the playoffs.

00:58:51Try to parse who will win, who will fall.

00:58:53Maybe a little college football on the docket as well.

00:58:56This is FS1, and this is Wake Up Barstool.

00:59:03Welcome back to Wake Up Barstool on FS1.

00:59:05Let's talk some NFL playoffs.

00:59:08Guys, I have a question that I think is actually kind of tough.

00:59:11I'm not – I want to say everybody answers it.

00:59:14Most impressive team from wild card weekend?

00:59:17Oh, that is tough.

00:59:19Like, at first I was like, okay, but is it the – well, Josh Allen, I mean, the Jags,

00:59:24like we said, that might be the best win, but –

00:59:26Oh, man.

00:59:26They do kind of appear flawed.

00:59:29Texans' defense, incredible.

00:59:31CJ Stroud, terrible.

00:59:32Actually, I have the answer.

00:59:33Bears in consistent –

00:59:34Most impressive team from wild card weekend?

00:59:37Yes.

00:59:37I think it's the San Francisco 49ers.

00:59:39Yeah.

00:59:39That was an impressive, impressive win on the road.

00:59:42Windy conditions.

00:59:43George Kittle goes out.

00:59:45Their defense has no one left.

00:59:46Brock Purdy, Kyle Shanahan, Christian McCaffrey, they found a way.

00:59:50Kyle Ushek, what he became when George Kittle goes out to basically be a mini Kittle,

00:59:56the Juwan Jennings pass, that was a master class in we have to empty this playbook,

01:00:04we have to do everything we can knowing the situation, where we're at.

01:00:09Like, we're not going to score in a normal way even though we've been moving the ball.

01:00:12I think the Niners had the most impressive win.

01:00:14I'm going to go Bills.

01:00:15Like I said, the Jags are way better than people think.

01:00:19Yeah.

01:00:19Like, they ignore their record.

01:00:21They ignore how good Trevor Lawrence has been.

01:00:24I think it's Bills.

01:00:25A banged up Bills team.

01:00:26And I think the – if you talk about the other two – or the other matchup in the AFC,

01:00:31I think the Texans and Patriots both had impressive defensive performances.

01:00:34I think their offense did not look good.

01:00:36Yeah.

01:00:37I would agree with that.

01:00:38Now, let's zero in on the Niners real quick.

01:00:40So, I do want to talk some Niners-Seahawks.

01:00:42What a crazy year for these two teams.

01:00:46They opened up week one against each other.

01:00:49Niners take them down 17-13.

01:00:51Then you jump all the way to week 18.

01:00:54So, you have four months in between.

01:00:57They square up again.

01:00:58This time, it's a Seahawks 13-3.

01:01:00And now we arrive at a rubber match with everything on the line.

01:01:05The Seahawks look like the better team.

01:01:07One thing that I'm very interested to see, though, Trent Williams will play in this game.

01:01:11He did not play in the week 18 game.

01:01:13And you think about a team like the Chargers, where the numbers with the Chargers on what

01:01:19that offense was when Joe Walt was healthy versus when Joe Walt was out.

01:01:23It's like, it's insane.

01:01:24You're talking about like a top five offense in the NFL to like a bottom five offense.

01:01:29I wonder what impact Trent Williams is going to have this weekend.

01:01:32Yeah.

01:01:32I think the Seahawks are going to win just because I think that if you even look at that

01:01:36week 18 game, the Seahawks left some points on the board.

01:01:38And they kind of dominated.

01:01:40Like, Sam Darnold, this is why I think Seahawks are a scary team is that he has not played

01:01:45perfect for a while and they still keep winning.

01:01:49Yeah.

01:01:49You know?

01:01:49I mean, everything was so hard for the Niners.

01:01:52Right.

01:01:53Like, every yard, every play.

01:01:55It was just, it wasn't easy.

01:01:57And the Seahawks do that to you.

01:01:58And the Seahawks have gotten a run game going.

01:02:00And I think the Niners defense is struggling there.

01:02:03Like, they, you know, Saquon kind of popped off on them in the first half.

01:02:07Yeah, I, unless.

01:02:09The Seahawks should win this game.

01:02:10Unless you have a Sam Darnold situation where, but again, I keep going back to this stat.

01:02:15The Seahawks are 5-1 when Sam Darnold has two turnovers or more.

01:02:19He's the only player ever, they could date this back to 78, but as far as we know, the

01:02:23only player ever to lead the league in turnovers and be the one seed.

01:02:28Right.

01:02:28So I think what people are seeing this year, and I get it, there's, you know, the way last

01:02:34year ended, there's been moments where you can't trust Sam Darnold.

01:02:39I don't know if it's a situation where you have to trust Sam Darnold.

01:02:42The Seahawks will not be asking Sam Darnold to go out and win a game.

01:02:46They're asking him to go out and not lose a game.

01:02:49It's funny, that's how I feel about C.J. Stroud as well.

01:02:51Yeah.

01:02:52Does it have to backfire eventually?

01:02:54What do you mean?

01:02:54Like, the turnovers.

01:02:56You have to have turnovers.

01:02:57Like on this stage in like a one-game sample size.

01:02:59Yeah, against a team that has experience in the playoffs.

01:03:02That's how good their defense is.

01:03:03And I guess that game did calm down to like a couple plays.

01:03:06Yeah.

01:03:06Like the third and 18 run, the McCaffrey bobble was picked off.

01:03:10So, there were plays there that that game, the 49ers couldn't win that game.

01:03:13Yeah.

01:03:14Is that Niners entrance with the boom box a little intimidating?

01:03:18Yeah.

01:03:19I, that scares the bejesus out of me.

01:03:21Anything Trent Williams does is intimidating.

01:03:23He's a large man that is incredible at his job.

01:03:25Yeah, he could be licking a lollipop with a propeller hat on.

01:03:30Oh my God.

01:03:31If you've heard any stories about Trent Williams and his strength,

01:03:34it's, he's an intimidating guy all the time.

01:03:37Now, also intimidating Seattle.

01:03:39I mean, that's a home field advantage in the playoffs.

01:03:41That stadium's going to be absolutely insane, especially against the Niners.

01:03:44There's going to be real hatred on display there.

01:03:46Another Sam Darnold set that I thought was pretty shocking to me,

01:03:50through week 11.

01:03:51So, a large sample size, he was, he had the number one QBR in the NFL.

01:03:55Like, he like, was playing as good as he might.

01:03:57Since week 11, he's 27th.

01:03:59So, it's, it's an odd thing where it's not,

01:04:01that's kind of an inexplicable disparity to me.

01:04:04Like, if he had dropped to like 13, 14, I'm like, okay, whatever.

01:04:07But, no, he went from being the best to now the bottom.

01:04:11I still think it's just too much for the Niners to overcome.

01:04:14And just watch this, guys.

01:04:15When you watch this game, again, the Seahawks and Texans,

01:04:18in so many ways they mirror one another.

01:04:20And what's so great about it, it just proves there's no one path to success in the NFL.

01:04:25The Texans, they blitz the least amount in the NFL,

01:04:29the least amount of simulated pressures, but they just have dudes.

01:04:31They play simple, fundamental, we're going to kill you football.

01:04:33The Seahawks are the opposite.

01:04:35They have this uber-complicated scheme.

01:04:38McDonald's like the McVay of defense.

01:04:40And yet, they're just as deadly effective.

01:04:43This is the matchup that I'm most looking forward to in round number two.

01:04:47Yeah, this is going to be a great game.

01:04:48Great, great game.

01:04:49I think all the games are going to be great.

01:04:50I'm very, very excited.

01:04:53I mean, the Bills, the Bills Broncos.

01:04:54Like, Broncos have not been talked about.

01:04:56Yeah.

01:04:56Yeah, they kind of forgot about them.

01:04:57Forget about the one seed.

01:04:58Yes.

01:04:59It's shocking how little people have been giving them attention.

01:05:02I know.

01:05:03And I don't know how they're going to do.

01:05:05Yeah, I don't either.

01:05:06I don't have a clue.

01:05:07I think they can go to the Super Bowl because I think it's hard to win in Denver,

01:05:10especially this time of year.

01:05:11I think the NFL kind of screwed the Niners with the scheduling here.

01:05:15Like, they're playing on Saturday.

01:05:17They played on Sunday.

01:05:18The Bears and Rams both played.

01:05:20They always do the one seeds on Saturday.

01:05:23The NFL, here's a quick fix.

01:05:25And this will never happen because they don't like this type of change.

01:05:29But here's a very quick fix for the NFL.

01:05:31Wild card weekend should be Saturday should be AFC.

01:05:35Sunday should be NFC.

01:05:36It should be 3-3.

01:05:38And then it should be Saturday, Sunday all the way through the playoffs.

01:05:41So you never have any rest disadvantages.

01:05:44Yeah.

01:05:45And then championship Sunday is championship Saturday and Sunday.

01:05:49Why wouldn't we?

01:05:49I mean, we'd watch that.

01:05:51Yeah, no, I agree.

01:05:52Yeah.

01:05:53And it just doesn't screw up any of the rules.

01:05:55You don't like the Monday night game?

01:05:56I kind of don't.

01:05:57No.

01:05:57I did it first.

01:05:58I think I won't.

01:05:59Is it because of what we got yesterday, though?

01:06:01Yeah, it might be.

01:06:02It also just, like, I kind of forgot that it existed for half the day.

01:06:06It was annoying, too.

01:06:07This is our first time we were in it to wait for the rest.

01:06:09Yeah, I know.

01:06:10It was killing me waiting for the time.

01:06:12And times.

01:06:12Yeah.

01:06:13Yeah.

01:06:13And so, yeah, technically, if you were to do it that way,

01:06:16like, come Super Bowl time, one conference would have one more day of rest.

01:06:20But it doesn't matter because it's two weeks.

01:06:21Yeah, it's two weeks, but also then you could do that in the Pro Bowl.

01:06:25Whoever wins the skills competition, you get Sunday or you get Saturday.

01:06:29But it also would be a fun viewing experience to be like,

01:06:32all right, today's the AFC day, then there's the NFC day.

01:06:34Well, it's very simple, which I would like.

01:06:36Like, let's just keep our head on straight.

01:06:37Right.

01:06:38Which lowest seed do you all think has the biggest chance of creating an upset this weekend?

01:06:43Sorry, guys.

01:06:44It's the Rams.

01:06:47Yeah.

01:06:47That's not an upset.

01:06:48Yeah.

01:06:49Damn, yeah.

01:06:49But if we're talking about lowest seeding.

01:06:52Just going on seeding, it's the Rams.

01:06:54Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:55Going true upset.

01:06:57Well, I mean, the lines came out.

01:06:59The 49ers are over a touchdown.

01:07:03I think the 49ers, just the familiarity between the Seahawks and the 49ers,

01:07:08you always have to give, like.

01:07:10I'm feeling Texans, dude.

01:07:13I'm going Texans over the Rams, dude.

01:07:15Texans are two and a half point underdogs.

01:07:17Oh, okay.

01:07:18So they would be an upset.

01:07:20I'm going Texans over the Patriots.

01:07:21I think that defense is going to put May in a blender.

01:07:25And again, I'm staying on this take that I don't think C.J. Stroud is going to be as bad as he was.

01:07:30It's almost impossible to be as bad.

01:07:31Yeah, that's not really a take.

01:07:33I feel like I said it earlier and you shot it down.

01:07:36No, but if I was like, well, I thought you meant for the rest of the, like, he can't be that bad for the rest of the playoffs.

01:07:42He could be that bad eventually.

01:07:45Like, if he plays four more games, three more games.

01:07:47But like, one thing he's always done this year, even when he's not been impressive, he has taken care of the ball.

01:07:53So like, last night was an outlier in that regard.

01:07:55He just went lost.

01:07:57So Matt in my ear was like, what, nobody's saying Bills?

01:08:00My only problem with the Bills are, I mean.

01:08:01Those are favorites.

01:08:02No, point and a half underdog.

01:08:03Just checked.

01:08:04The just changed?

01:08:05It's point and a half right now for the Broncos favored.

01:08:08Okay.

01:08:08That's interesting to me, man.

01:08:09I mean, no Gabe Davis.

01:08:10Jordan Poyer's going to be out as well.

01:08:12Like you said, Ed Oliver returning to practice.

01:08:14But how effective will he be?

01:08:17I, mile high, I think it's too much.

01:08:20It wouldn't be crazy to me if every lower seed won.

01:08:23Yeah, I mean, you look at this too.

01:08:25And I know we knew coming in, the division winners weren't some of the best ones.

01:08:28But it was a tough week for the division winners for most of them, right?

01:08:32Yeah.

01:08:33Look at that.

01:08:34Yeah, you're right, Nick.

01:08:36This could be a, the road teams could be in some good spots this weekend.

01:08:41Because it doesn't, it's not the, this is why the wide openness of this playoffs.

01:08:46The, I mean, the 49ers are going to be, again, they're over a touchdown underdogs.

01:08:51But they play against the Seahawks twice.

01:08:53They know this team.

01:08:54It's hard to go up in a third game when you know everything the other team's going to be doing.

01:08:59Josh Allen and mile high is going to be awesome.

01:09:01Yeah.

01:09:02Yeah.

01:09:02That's going to be a battlefield.

01:09:03Against that defense too, dude.

01:09:06And especially because the Bills' style is so like O-line base and just pound it, which probably helps.

01:09:13Gladiator type stuff.

01:09:14They got to go against Sertain and company.

01:09:16I guess one name that we haven't mentioned on the show today that's going to be in that game, like Bo Nix.

01:09:21Yeah.

01:09:21For all the Sam Darnold talk and everything else, we talk about quarterbacks so much.

01:09:25Bo Nix kind of seems to exist in a space where we're all not quite sure what to make of him right now.

01:09:30He's the most confusing guy in my mind because I will watch him sometimes and say, man, that guy looks awesome.

01:09:37And then there will be stretches where it's like, how is this not working?

01:09:42And there's limitations there.

01:09:43So I don't know.

01:09:44I honestly don't know what to make of Bo Nix.

01:09:46I know that he has something in him that he can reach a spot.

01:09:50I've seen him in this season play games where you're like, wow, that guy's really good.

01:09:55So that's just what he's got to tap into.

01:09:57He's got a little bit of Caleb in him, too, where he'll struggle early on.

01:10:01And then he's turned it on in the fourth quarter a lot this year.

01:10:03Yep.

01:10:04Like, he's been fantastic in that final.

01:10:06But then, man, actually, that's so true.

01:10:08A lot of parallels between Nix versus Allen and Williams versus Stafford.

01:10:13Kind of the established old guard, some of the most clutch players that we know going against these new young upstarts,

01:10:19trying to make a name for themselves.

01:10:22Definitely.

01:10:23Excited.

01:10:2324 draft is crazy.

01:10:2524 draft is insane.

01:10:27And it's crazy the swings that have happened.

01:10:30Yeah, it's got to feel kind of good.

01:10:32Oh, it feels great.

01:10:33Because we didn't, like.

01:10:34I think we, did we redraft them on one of the early episodes?

01:10:37And it probably wasn't kind to.

01:10:39No.

01:10:40No, like after we do, yeah, we redrafted.

01:10:42And we were all talking trash about Caleb and whatnot.

01:10:45You should have taken panics.

01:10:49So, look, that's going to be very exciting.

01:10:52Cannot wait for the playoffs this weekend.

01:10:54Let's get back to a little Cancun conversation real quick for another one of these offseason teams.

01:11:00We mentioned Eagles.

01:11:01We mentioned Packers.

01:11:03Let's have the Justin Herbert conversation with the Chargers.

01:11:07So, obviously, there's a real tough look what happened against the Patriots.

01:11:11I'm not sure that, hmm.

01:11:14So, I've been a big Herbert excuse maker all year long.

01:11:19And I'll continue to be.

01:11:21But the offensive line wasn't god-awful until the end the other night.

01:11:27And it does feel like on a weekend where we had Caleb making the throw.

01:11:31Josh Allen had the throw.

01:11:33Matt Stafford's game-winning touchdown.

01:11:34Like, he couldn't find one of those moments that his peers were able to.

01:11:39Justin Herbert wasn't good.

01:11:40Yeah.

01:11:41He wasn't good in the playoffs.

01:11:42And he has not won a playoff game yet.

01:11:44That does not mean that he's not a good quarterback.

01:11:46But if you are one of the best quarterbacks or deemed one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL

01:11:51and you have gone six years in the NFL and not won a playoff game, you are going to get criticized.

01:11:56I think that's completely fair to do.

01:11:59I think the Chargers are more interesting in the fact that this is, if you want to feel good if you're a Chargers fan,

01:12:07I would say this.

01:12:08Jim Harbaugh was in a similar situation with Michigan, three, four years into his time with Michigan,

01:12:14where he was hitting his head into a wall.

01:12:17He was losing to Ohio State.

01:12:18Remember, he had the, I think it was 2016, where they had that fourth down.

01:12:22The Michigan State.

01:12:23Yeah, yeah, yeah, the conversion.

01:12:25He was very close.

01:12:27It was very close.

01:12:28Ten win teams, all that stuff.

01:12:30He kind of reinvented himself, got new coaching staff in, and was able to then ascend to a new heights

01:12:35and get to the national championship, win the national championship.

01:12:38It was a process.

01:12:39He is at that point right now where he has done the same thing over and over,

01:12:42and I think he has to reinvent himself, find a new offensive coordinator, find a new plan for this team,

01:12:50and then hopefully that's where Justin Herbert takes that next step.

01:12:53Also, like, a little bit of, they're kind of like maybe the Packers.

01:12:56We talked about, you know, running back, you're going to get Tucker Craft back, you'll get Micah Parsons back.

01:13:00Like, in the same way, getting Slater and Alt back is going to be just massive for that team.

01:13:04I don't know, though.

01:13:06Slater may not, the patellar injury that he has is a drastically bad injury.

01:13:12That's fair.

01:13:13But Alt will be back.

01:13:15But that's the thing is, like, you can't say, well, we're going to get our tackles back, we're good.

01:13:18They have been bad up front in the middle for a while now.

01:13:22I don't know, is Ladd McConkie your answer?

01:13:26Like, Ladd McConkie was not great this year.

01:13:29Keenan Allen is very old.

01:13:30I don't think Johnston is.

01:13:31Quinn Johnson is a very nice, like, three.

01:13:34So, I think they have to, as much as Harbaugh wants to run, run, run, and then pass off the run,

01:13:40like, they have to kind of look in the mirror and figure out what they're going to be offensively.

01:13:44I have a little bit.

01:13:45Oh, go ahead.

01:13:46I think Harbaugh needs to get his guy.

01:13:47Send Herbert up to Minnesota and get nine.

01:13:50Ooh.

01:13:52But it's like we just said in the last segment, like, there's a lot of new kids on the block

01:13:55who are catching up already to Herbert, right?

01:13:57Yeah, isn't it crazy that in the offseason, we remember going into the draft, there was

01:14:04that, like, oh, should the Bears trade for Justin Herbert?

01:14:08Mm-hmm.

01:14:10This is before we draft, you have Caleb.

01:14:12This is the trade, the one pick for Justin Herbert.

01:14:15Now, I'm good now.

01:14:17I got a little bit of hope for Justin Herbert.

01:14:20I was looking up other quarterbacks that started 0-3, and probably the best name that he'd

01:14:25want to look on there.

01:14:26Now, Peyton Manning was one of them as well.

01:14:27It's always Peyton Manning.

01:14:27No, no, no.

01:14:29It's Matt Stafford.

01:14:30Oh.

01:14:30And you can see a lot of parallels between what happened in Detroit with Stafford and

01:14:35what's happened with the Chargers with Herbert.

01:14:38Stafford started 0-3, then he got out of there.

01:14:40He's now 6-5 in the playoffs, completely turned all around.

01:14:43I guess the question is, though, can Herbert do the same thing while staying in the same

01:14:48place?

01:14:48Do you think he went out of there?

01:14:48Or does he have to get out of there?

01:14:50You don't think so?

01:14:51No, I think it comes down to Jim Harbaugh, and I think Jim Harbaugh is a fantastic coach.

01:14:55I'm a huge fan of his.

01:14:56He's got it.

01:14:57They're at a crossroads.

01:14:58You cannot go into next season doing the exact same thing and saying the exact same thing

01:15:03and being like, we're going to try to run the football and not get Justin Herbert some

01:15:08help on the outside and not get him some help in the middle of the interior of the offensive

01:15:13line.

01:15:14They have to figure that out.

01:15:16But what's the haul you could get for Herbert?

01:15:18I don't know.

01:15:19I wouldn't try.

01:15:19There's no way.

01:15:20There's no way Jim Harbaugh's going to trade him.

01:15:23No, they can't.

01:15:24Yeah, no.

01:15:24Harbaugh loves him.

01:15:25Harbaugh's a quarterback.

01:15:26Harbaugh loves him.

01:15:27He loves him.

01:15:28He loves him.

01:15:29The way the head coach talks about his own play.

01:15:31Well, no, no, no, no, it's different, though.

01:15:33No, no, it's different.

01:15:34And also, like, Herbert, if you're a coach, you love him because he's tough, man.

01:15:40Like, you know what I'm saying?

01:15:41He gets a crappie at him.

01:15:42He never blames anybody.

01:15:44He's playing with a fractured left hand.

01:15:45Like, if I'm a coach, I'm riding with Herbert.

01:15:47We've got to figure everything else out.

01:15:49But Jim Harbaugh's obsessed with Justin Harbaugh.

01:15:51Yeah.

01:15:51His quotes are.

01:15:53It might weird out Justin.

01:15:54Yeah.

01:15:54He wants him to.

01:15:56You're weird me out.

01:15:57Marry his hypothetical daughter.

01:15:59Does he have a daughter?

01:16:00Real quick, I want to touch on one more.

01:16:02Panthers.

01:16:02And I just want to talk about where everybody's at with Bryce Young.

01:16:06They picked up his fifth year option, but everybody does that with the number one overall pick.

01:16:10I don't think anybody is.

01:16:11Well, not everyone.

01:16:11We literally didn't with Justin Fields.

01:16:16Number one overall pick.

01:16:16I'm saying.

01:16:17Oh, number one overall.

01:16:18Sorry.

01:16:19My bad.

01:16:19Damn.

01:16:20We did with the number two overall.

01:16:21Yeah, we did with number two.

01:16:22Fair.

01:16:24Is anybody super enthusiastic about Bryce Young?

01:16:27I think last year you could at least see some end-of-season momentum with him.

01:16:30This season it all kind of fell flat.

01:16:32Like, he was a very inefficient quarterback or inconsistent quarterback, I should say.

01:16:37He had a game or two that was very exciting.

01:16:39But overall, I don't think Bryce Young inspires hope in anybody.

01:16:42Kind of the worst position to be in, right?

01:16:44Just gives you enough hope to be like, all right, should we, should we?

01:16:48And then just leaves you with a lot to be desired.

01:16:51Phil, I actually don't hate the position because I feel like you feel confident enough to know,

01:16:55okay, we don't have to give this guy like a Tua extension or like a Trevor Lawrence extension.

01:17:01And you can kind of let it play out.

01:17:03Like, you can let him be a lame duck guy.

01:17:05Let him play the fifth year, see how it goes, and then make your decisions then.

01:17:09The best way I'd put it is, he's not the guy, he's the Panthers guy.

01:17:14Like, you know what I mean?

01:17:15He could be your guy, but he's not the guy.

01:17:17I don't, at least he hasn't been yet.

01:17:19I guess it's just a question of like, do you give him the big second contract right now?

01:17:22No, I mean, definitely not right now.

01:17:24Yeah, you don't, yeah, you don't.

01:17:25And that's not a bad, that's not an awful play.

01:17:27No, he might take a leap next year again.

01:17:29I mean, I think he played better than what Steven just said.

01:17:32Yeah, I agree.

01:17:32Steven's jaded, and he, yeah, he, I mean, he made, he won some big games.

01:17:37He made some big plays.

01:17:39Even that Rams game, that throw to Conker was a beautiful throw.

01:17:44You know, figuring out that he has the ability to run and make plays with his feet as well.

01:17:49So, I thought it was positive for Bryce Young this year.

01:17:52If you can get one more positive in the right direction year, then maybe you got something.

01:17:56All right, coming up next, guys, more Wake Up Barstool.

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01:18:02Rico.

01:18:09What's happening, y'all?

01:18:09Wake Up Barstool and FS1 every single Tuesday.

01:18:12It's college hoops season, and we talk to our college hoops go-to expert.

01:18:17That is Rico Bosco.

01:18:20Nobody is as plugged into all of college basketball as is Rico.

01:18:23Can I ask a question first?

01:18:25Yes, go ahead.

01:18:25Rico.

01:18:26What's up?

01:18:27Great to see you.

01:18:27You're a college basketball expert.

01:18:29What's been the biggest story from the weekend?

01:18:35Wisconsin had a pretty big win.

01:18:37Oh, thank you.

01:18:38I didn't know if you'd mention it.

01:18:39Yeah, they beat Michigan.

01:18:40I texted you.

01:18:41Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:18:41I texted you immediately when it happened.

01:18:44Yeah.

01:18:44Greg Gard and the boys.

01:18:46It was an incredible game.

01:18:47They take down Michigan.

01:18:48How many undefeated teams are left?

01:18:51I mean, Michigan was-

01:18:52Four.

01:18:52Yeah.

01:18:52So Michigan looked like the best team in the country.

01:18:55Take them down in their house.

01:18:56Yeah, they did.

01:18:57I mean, that's kind of, yeah.

01:18:58I mean, that's the kind of big story, so to speak, in terms of the unbeatens, obviously.

01:19:03Like, listen, Arizona looks unbelievable.

01:19:04They beat UConn.

01:19:05They beat Alabama.

01:19:06But their Big 12 schedule and their run comes late into February with Kansas and BYU and Houston.

01:19:13You look at Iowa State, beat Purdue, beat Iowa, Big 12 late in the year.

01:19:18Vanderbilt, obviously, beat Alabama.

01:19:21SEC gets a little tougher as they go.

01:19:23Nebraska beat Illinois and Michigan State, but still has Michigan, Illinois, Iowa twice, and Purdue.

01:19:31So, like, these unbeatens, nobody's immortal, I would say.

01:19:34You could say right now, oh, Arizona looks immortal, so to speak, given all their wins.

01:19:40But, again, that Big 12 is a hell of a league.

01:19:42We'll see how it goes late into the season.

01:19:44So, yeah, Michigan, I think Michigan kind of needed that a little bit, if it makes sense.

01:19:49You know, like, you never want to go in undefeated.

01:19:51You take the loss, bring you back down to earth, get a little bit hungrier.

01:19:54But great win by Wisconsin.

01:19:56Unbelievable.

01:19:56And played their game.

01:19:57It wasn't the beat Michigan at their game.

01:20:00It wasn't a 47-45, like, fluky-type thing.

01:20:03Went out, scored 91, and got it done.

01:20:05So, great win by Wisconsin.

01:20:07Well, Wisconsin's not a 47-45 type of team.

01:20:10Not anymore.

01:20:10No, no, no.

01:20:11I'm giving the example of a fluky type of thing.

01:20:14That's all.

01:20:14They went and beat Michigan in and up and down.

01:20:16That's what they did.

01:20:17So, big win for Wisconsin.

01:20:18Michigan's still very good.

01:20:20Titus was in here the other day, America's team's power rankings, talking about Nebraska ball.

01:20:25The Cornhuskers, dude, hot right now.

01:20:28One of the unbeatens.

01:20:29Where do they fall into the Big Ten hierarchy, in your opinion?

01:20:32Are they a bit puffed up right now?

01:20:33Yeah, so pretty high.

01:20:34I mean, I've always been a Hoiberg guy.

01:20:36He was with the Bulls, obviously, for a little while.

01:20:38But those Iowa State teams, I think if George Yang doesn't break his foot, that Iowa State team was as good as winning the national title in 2014.

01:20:45I really do.

01:20:46This kid, Mast, I watched in person out at Kansas State.

01:20:49Lit them up two years ago, I want to say.

01:20:52And he's really good.

01:20:53He's got 16-6.

01:20:55Hoiberg runs great stuff.

01:20:56They got a lot of guys who can shoot it.

01:20:58The kid's Sanford.

01:20:59His brother played at Iowa.

01:21:01This kid can play as well.

01:21:03He's got Hoiberg's kid.

01:21:04They're obviously going to run good stuff.

01:21:06Nebraska's pretty high in the Big Ten.

01:21:07But like I said, tougher schedule as it gets down the stretch here.

01:21:10But I think Nebraska's in the mix to kind of stick around.

01:21:14Speaking of a couple traditional powers that are maybe not so high right now, what is going on with Kansas and Kentucky?

01:21:20So the big thing with Kansas is when Peterson plays, he's unbelievable.

01:21:25He's just been hurt.

01:21:27He's been banged up.

01:21:28You watch Bill Self get really frustrated in the sense of like there was a little bit of a rumor or a little bit of like his camp was telling him not to play.

01:21:36I hope that's not true.

01:21:38You obviously want the kid to compete, especially with this freshman class, which has been unbelievable.

01:21:43But also Kentucky's been struggling as well.

01:21:46Kansas is unranked, by the way, for now.

01:21:50So it's a three-year run since they won that title.

01:21:53Up and down in terms of not being fantastic for the last couple of years.

01:21:57But Kentucky, yeah, Jalen Lowe is now out for the year.

01:22:00There was a clip I was watching, just their motion offense.

01:22:03Just absolutely no creativity.

01:22:05Nobody moving.

01:22:06It looks like a bad men's league team.

01:22:08So Pope's pretty frustrated.

01:22:10You wonder how long that leash.

01:22:11I know he's a Kentucky guy.

01:22:12Obviously, they were really excited to get him back.

01:22:15But how warm does that – how quickly does that seat get warm is the question I would ask.

01:22:19Rico, so we – earlier in the show, we looked at our old – half of the NFL season, we drafted our teams that we thought could win the Super Bowl.

01:22:29If I was to ask you now that we're halfway through the college basketball season, which sounds crazy already, but give me a little mid-season Final Four predict.

01:22:37If you had to pick who you think could make it, where's your head at?

01:22:41Wait, let me predict his prediction.

01:22:44Okay.

01:22:44Sure.

01:22:45Alabama, Gonzaga, Michigan.

01:22:50I don't know who his fourth is.

01:22:51Arizona.

01:22:52Houston.

01:22:53No, never Arizona.

01:22:54Never Arizona.

01:22:55Houston.

01:22:55Houston, right there.

01:22:57Houston was a hard decision for me.

01:22:58Listen, I –

01:22:59Oh, we were three out of four.

01:23:01Okay.

01:23:01Oh, no, you didn't go to Alabama.

01:23:02You didn't go to Alabama.

01:23:03I didn't – the way Alabama's playing defense right now and being banged up, even they would

01:23:08say right now it's going to be an uphill battle to get to the Final Four.

01:23:11They?

01:23:11They have the talent.

01:23:12Yeah.

01:23:13Whoa, whoa.

01:23:13When things are going bad, it can't be they.

01:23:15You got to say we.

01:23:16When things are going bad, it's still got to be we.

01:23:17Try to keep journalistic integrity.

01:23:20Yeah, so we, they, you know, whatever.

01:23:22I didn't – yeah, I didn't know it was a big pronoun show, but yeah, we, they.

01:23:26You know what we want to do.

01:23:27So, whatever you want to do.

01:23:29But yeah, so like they would say, need the toughness, need the health.

01:23:32They have the ability to go shoot it.

01:23:34You saw it a couple years ago when people wrote them off in 2024.

01:23:38And then last year, again, like, oh, they're bad, they're bad.

01:23:41Stay the course.

01:23:42Get to the lead.

01:23:42They have the talent to go do that.

01:23:44Got to fix it on defense.

01:23:45Got to get healthy.

01:23:46But yeah, right now I still believe in Michigan.

01:23:47I just think the size and what Dusty does and the depth in terms of that.

01:23:52I think UConn, we talked about it with Braylon Mullins, one of my favorite players to

01:23:56now watch a freshman.

01:23:57This whole freshman class, I feel like everybody knew about DeBanca and Caleb Wilson and Boozer.

01:24:03Mullins was like, you know, it felt like he was sliding under the radar.

01:24:06He's unbelievable.

01:24:07And Hurley was riding him early in the year.

01:24:09He's giving him a little more freedom now and knows he's the guy they need to make this

01:24:13March run.

01:24:14I do believe in Gonzaga.

01:24:16I really do.

01:24:16It'd be nice if they can avoid Arizona out west and kind of have those home games in

01:24:21that region.

01:24:22And then I just think DeBanca's the best player in the country.

01:24:25I think he's got a mellow type run in him for a final four.

01:24:29I believe in them.

01:24:30I liked what they did last year.

01:24:31Obviously, getting to the Sweet 16, a little bit of experience.

01:24:33The kid Saunders.

01:24:34Kevin Young runs a pro-type system.

01:24:36I like BYU.

01:24:37So those would be the four.

01:24:38Houston right there in terms of the fifth.

01:24:40He's got a chill run in him?

01:24:42What did I say?

01:24:43Mellow run in him?

01:24:45A mellow championship.

01:24:46Sometimes I speak a little too fast.

01:24:48Did I meant to say mellow title run or mellow championship run?

01:24:51He's going to chill out all the way to the title run?

01:24:53No, no, mellow championship run.

01:24:55No, Carmelo.

01:24:56Carmelo Anderson.

01:24:56Oh, let's just use his whole name then.

01:24:58No, no, that's confusing.

01:25:00Yeah, he's mellow.

01:25:01Yeah.

01:25:01Jay, what do you got?

01:25:03You're a bad guy.

01:25:07Rico, I'm sure you know what I'm about to ask you.

01:25:10The Oklahoma Lady Sooners, I mean, dropping two in a row to ranked opponents.

01:25:16I mean, LSU, South Carolina, both in the next 10 days, they got their freshman guard,

01:25:21Aaliyah Chavez, shooting under 35% the past three games.

01:25:26Can they turn around for these big ranked matchups coming up?

01:25:30Yeah, I think they'll be okay.

01:25:32I actually prepared for this one today, Jay.

01:25:34There was a clip I saw on my timeline yesterday, but I sent it to the producers.

01:25:39I'm like, I want to have this video to go back and share.

01:25:41I think the girl's name is like Brenda Freeze at Maryland.

01:25:44It's an old clip, as it turns out, but the girl just tweeted it yesterday.

01:25:49She is cooking her lineup.

01:25:51She's like, it's 28 to 18.

01:25:53We need some effort.

01:25:54She's cooking her lineup.

01:25:55So the coach at Maryland is now a, I'm a big fan favorite of that.

01:25:59A lot of firepower.

01:26:00I like that.

01:26:01Send a sweatsuit.

01:26:01Lady Terps.

01:26:02We like that.

01:26:04Rico, thank you so much, man.

01:26:06Great job, Bosco.

01:26:08Rico Bosco.

01:26:09Call it to you.

01:26:09Give us a pick.

01:26:12What about the mid-major minute?

01:26:13Yeah, give it to us.

01:26:14Mid-major minute.

01:26:15Go.

01:26:15I don't know who this could be.

01:26:17All right.

01:26:17We got to go fast.

01:26:18UConn minus five and a half tonight.

01:26:20Hurley's lost the last four at Seton Hall.

01:26:21I don't think you could do it.

01:26:23High point.

01:26:2316 and three.

01:26:24Made the tournament last year.

01:26:25Complete rebuild.

01:26:26Best player.

01:26:27Cameron Fletcher.

01:26:2816 and seven.

01:26:29What do you say about a kid named Cameron Fletcher?

01:26:32I would be saying that he's dip-setting his team up for success.

01:26:37When you say he can play, oh boy, I really mean it.

01:26:40And hey, Ma, you got to watch this kid.

01:26:43And when you got four guys on this team at high point who shoot over 40 from deep, what

01:26:47does the defense say, Nick?

01:26:49You mad.

01:26:50You mad.

01:26:51You mad.

01:26:52So high point's got it rolling.

01:26:54We like them.

01:26:56All right.

01:26:56Great job, Bosco.

01:26:57That was awesome.

01:26:58That's part of my morning.

01:26:59That's part of my morning.

01:27:00All right.

01:27:00When we get back, let's close out today's show.

01:27:06You're right.

01:27:09Wake up, Arsenal, here on FS1.

01:27:12Steven Che, give us some NBA.

01:27:15Two very big things from the NBA last night.

01:27:17One of them, very funny after the game.

01:27:20Pacers were the worst team in the Eastern Conference, surprisingly.

01:27:23Tyrese Halliburton, obviously, after the year.

01:27:25Joe Mazzula in a press conference.

01:27:26The Pacers, one by two, Pascal Siakam hit a game-winning shot, responded to every question

01:27:34that the media asked with illegal screen.

01:27:36They asked him about eight or nine questions, and every response, he just said illegal screen.

01:27:41If you actually watch the play, I can understand that if there's a wide-open shooter, it was

01:27:47just a screen to get a switch.

01:27:48On Derek White, who is a good defender, there's no...

01:27:52I can understand being upset about it.

01:27:54The way that this game ended, it shouldn't have mattered at all.

01:27:58So, I'm sorry.

01:27:58Joe Mazzula, terrible look.

01:28:01Also, very cool moment from last night.

01:28:02Kyle Lowry, who was a Raptor for a very long time, won a championship with them, came back

01:28:07to Toronto.

01:28:08He's with the Sixers now.

01:28:09He is a benchwarmer.

01:28:10But, with just under two minutes left, the game's somewhat out of hand.

01:28:14It's like a 15, 16-point game.

01:28:16The whole crowd is chanting for Kyle Lowry to come in.

01:28:19He's in his full warm-ups.

01:28:20Hell yeah, dude.

01:28:21And then he does come in for Tyrese Maxey, and the whole crowd goes crazy.

01:28:24Very, very cool moment in the NBA last night.

01:28:27Awesome.

01:28:28I love Kyle Lowry's body.

01:28:30What part?

01:28:31He's got a squatty body.

01:28:32He's just, it's just, it's one of the more, you know, NBA bodies are the least relatable.

01:28:38And, and, and Lowry at least feels like somewhat achievable.

01:28:42The Kyra Lowry build does.

01:28:43That's cool.

01:28:44They're still doing the NBA.

01:28:46I didn't know.

01:28:47Hey, no, Dan, we got wake up, we got highlights.

01:28:50We got NBA highlights on Wake Up.

01:28:51Yeah, we're going to do it.

01:28:52Hell yeah.

01:28:53All right, guys.

01:28:54We love you.

01:28:54We'll see you tomorrow.

01:28:55More Wake Up.

01:28:55Have a great day, guys.

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