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Britain's Most Evil Killers S07E03 (Sep 27 2022)
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00:002013, Crown Hill, Bristol.
00:04It was Angie and Darren's big day.
00:07After four years together, they were making it official,
00:11celebrating with their newly blended family.
00:14The most chilling picture of this wedding
00:18is forever imprinted on my mind.
00:21There is Nathan Matthews, dressed up for the wedding.
00:25The bridesmaids were Matthews' girlfriend, Shauna Hoare,
00:29and his stepsister, Becky Watts.
00:32The stepsister that he's had an obsession with
00:35but also hates is now 16.
00:38Matthews controlled his girlfriend, Shauna,
00:41and together they wanted to control Becky.
00:44I knew they didn't particularly like each other.
00:47I wouldn't say they hated each other.
00:49Matthews wanted to teach Becky a lesson.
00:52Obviously, I don't want that to be read to someone.
00:58That lesson led to murder and much worse.
01:05Matthews quite coolly and calmly purchases a circular saw,
01:10which he then uses to dismember his stepsister's body.
01:13He cuts it into eight pieces.
01:15Nathan Matthews was a callous, cruel man
01:19with a deviant fascination for teenage girls.
01:22Consumed with jealousy and lust,
01:25he brutally took Becky's life and destroyed his family,
01:29making Nathan Matthews one of Britain's most evil killers.
01:34On the morning of Thursday the 19th of February 2015,
01:5016-year-old Becky Watts was home alone.
02:06Her step-mum, Angie, had gone to a hospital appointment.
02:10It wasn't unusual for her step-brother, Nathan Matthews,
02:15and his girlfriend, Shauna Hall,
02:17to drop in with their young child,
02:19even though Becky and Nathan weren't always the best of friends.
02:24I don't know if Nathan hated Becky,
02:27but I know he had resentment towards her and jealousy,
02:31and particularly I feel like he must have been jealous
02:36of Becky's relationship with his mother
02:39because they were very close.
02:41Matthews and Hoare had carefully planned for this day.
02:45Matthews went upstairs to Becky's room
02:48and she was never seen alive again.
02:51For 12 long days, only the couple knew what they'd done to Becky.
02:56Her family and the community believed she was missing
02:59and clung to the hope that she was still alive.
03:02Obviously all of these people searching for Becky didn't know her,
03:07but they knew lots of teenagers like her.
03:10She was someone they were so desperately hoping would return home
03:14and this girl they knew as the angel of Bristol.
03:17Everybody was praying for a positive outcome to this story.
03:22We're not giving up hope anyway.
03:24This family won't ever, ever do that.
03:27We'll bring this to a conclusion whatever way the ball bounces, you know?
03:31So we have to just continue now strengthening each other.
03:36Becky was just 16 years of age.
03:38It doesn't bear thinking about what actually happened to Becky Watts.
03:43We can't be sure, but we do know that Becky was killed.
03:48This killer story begins on the 9th of January, 1987.
03:57Nathan Charles Matthews was born to his mother, Angie,
04:00and an unknown father.
04:02Not having his father in his life at all,
04:05and no mention about his father,
04:07he wasn't even on his birth certificate.
04:09So he would have had a sense of, you know,
04:11what's my identity? Who am I?
04:13As a child, Matthews lived with his grandmother
04:17only a few miles away from his mum's home.
04:20The fact that he lived so close to his mum
04:23but didn't live with his mum would have had an additional impact of rejection.
04:28Yes, they were close, but a young child would be confused
04:32as to why he didn't live with his mum,
04:35like his friends in school would have lived with their parents.
04:38From an early age, Matthews was diagnosed with fibromyalgia,
04:44a chronic condition which causes pain all over the body.
04:49His friends report that he was in pain,
04:52and as a consequence of that, he suffered with depression and anxiety,
04:56and it had a profound impact on how he saw himself, apparently.
05:00It didn't make for a comfortable, happy, settled,
05:07settled child.
05:10He was a troubled boy.
05:13He felt almost useless and weak
05:16and not as strong as his friends,
05:19so that definitely would have had an impact
05:21on how he saw himself as a young man growing up.
05:24By 1999, Matthews' mum, Angie, was in a new relationship
05:31with a man called Darren Goldsworthy.
05:34Darren had two young children, one-year-old Becky
05:38and her four-year-old brother.
05:40Nathan grew closer and closer to Darren.
05:43They did things together.
05:46It was, you know, the father that Nathan had never really had.
05:49Darren's children lived with their mother during the week,
05:53and 12-year-old Nathan stayed at his grandmother's,
05:56but the new blended family spent every weekend together.
06:01Darren would spend time with Matthews,
06:05and they would, you know, they'd fix cars together,
06:07they'd do things, and there was, like, lots of bonding between them.
06:10So maybe this was something, a positive, you know, change in his life.
06:14This could have been something that he'd always been searching for.
06:17In January 2002, when Darren was awarded custody of his children,
06:23Becky and her brother moved in with their dad and Angie.
06:27Suddenly, two children arrive and move in with his mum,
06:31and move in with his mum that he hasn't lived with.
06:34So that must feel really confusing and difficult for a teenager to accept
06:41that, hang on, Mum, I've never lived with you,
06:45but now two other children move into your house?
06:48That could have generated some anger inside him.
06:51And, yes, it seems like they got on quite well initially,
06:54but I think there could have been underneath some resentment there.
07:01Nathan joined the Army Training Corps.
07:03where he learned some more skills,
07:06and he also trained to become an electrician.
07:10So you have a young man apparently growing up in a conventional way.
07:16Darren, his stepfather, paid for his driving lessons
07:20because he thought his sons should be able to drive,
07:23and, indeed, eventually bought him a car.
07:26It was an act of remarkable generosity
07:30and indicative of the closeness of their relationship.
07:35But what Darren didn't reckon with
07:37was that there was a completely separate side to Nathan.
07:42We know that Nathan Matthews had an unhealthy interest
07:49in their most extreme types of pornography,
07:52kidnappings and rapes,
07:55and really, really graphic material that he would look at
07:59on an almost daily basis.
08:01The effects of extreme pornography is really quite damaging.
08:06What it does is it desensitises the young male brain.
08:11When they are watching such extreme sexual content,
08:16it makes them fantasise about extreme sexual content,
08:21and it makes them seek out sexual behaviour that isn't normal.
08:26And we can see that the things that he was addicted to
08:30wasn't what the average teenage boy is addicted to.
08:33It wasn't just pornography.
08:35It was borderline legal.
08:38He was looking at teen sex, very young teen sex,
08:42girls dressed in school uniform.
08:45There was explicit and worrying sexual content
08:49in the things that he was looking at.
08:51He had his first serious girlfriend at the age of 18.
08:58After a couple of months, she ended their relationship
09:02claiming Matthews was abusive and controlling.
09:08We see that he has a lot of difficulty
09:10when relationships come to an end.
09:12He doesn't want to accept it.
09:14His ex-girlfriend reports some quite troubling behaviour
09:18from him after that relationship broke down.
09:20He would show up at her house.
09:23He wasn't prepared to let her go.
09:25So we've got some really significant issues here.
09:29Not that long afterwards, at the age of 19,
09:33Nathan turned up at the family house in his car
09:36with four young girls, all aged about 12.
09:41Here's that fantasy playing out again.
09:43Young girls.
09:44Darren, the stepfather, sees Nathan arrive with the girls,
09:51goes out the house and says,
09:53take them back home wherever you found them.
09:55He won't let them in the door.
09:59In 2008, at the age of 21,
10:02Matthews met 14-year-old Shauna Hoare.
10:06She was technically still a child when she started her relationship with him.
10:11And she does have quite a troubled background.
10:14She was moved from foster care to foster care, different families.
10:18She never had a real sense of stability and security and continuity.
10:23And I think when she meets Matthews, that opportunity is there.
10:29So he is going to be attracted to the power, the control.
10:33It makes him feel like a man when he hasn't felt like a man in his childhood.
10:38So that would have been really intoxicating for him,
10:42that he had this young girl looking up to him.
10:44A few years after the start of their relationship,
10:47Shauna was living in a hostel.
10:49She broke the rules there by allowing Nathan Matthews to come and live with her.
10:53And that's what they did for some time.
10:55But Nathan Matthews had caused a rift between Shauna and her mother.
11:00And in fact, he told her mother that she wouldn't see her daughter anymore.
11:04Shauna was later to maintain that he totally took over her life.
11:08He dominated her, told her what she could do, when she could do it,
11:11whether she could have a cigarette or not.
11:14But nevertheless, she was to bear him a child.
11:17The relationship wasn't enough for Matthews.
11:20He still harbored dark sexual desires and he lured Shauna into them.
11:26The relationship between them became more and more sexual.
11:29And they would fantasize together and they would text each other.
11:32They would watch porn together.
11:35And Nathan would urge her to find young girls for him.
11:40On his own, Matthews' obsessions were an indulgence.
11:46With an impressionable partner like Paul, his desires would become deadly.
11:52Bristol, 2011.
12:0424-year-old Nathan Matthews, his girlfriend Shauna Hoare, aged 17, and their young baby had moved into their own house in Barton Hill.
12:16Not far from where his mother Angie was living with Darren, step-sister Becky and her brother in Crown Hill.
12:25The relationship between Matthews and Hoare was turbulent.
12:29There were reports from her that he was often violent towards her, but this was an often stormy relationship that they had.
12:39Nathan Matthews had instinctively found the ideal apprentice.
12:46The person that would help him live out his own fantasies.
12:51And they were extremely explicit sexual fantasies.
12:55Haw and Matthews both had an interest in teenage girls or girls younger than that.
13:01They would message each other if they'd seen a girl who they found attractive.
13:05We've seen texts where she messaged him saying she'd seen a girl in the supermarket and they joked about kidnapping her and bringing her home.
13:14So this was often the subject of their conversations.
13:18This is yet more evidence of her wanting to be accepted by him.
13:25She is prepared to say anything, to do anything that will give her that acceptance.
13:30She doesn't want to let go of this relationship, no matter how dysfunctional it is,
13:35because it gives her a sense of belonging, it gives her a sense of identity,
13:39and that's something she hasn't had before.
13:41Being young parents didn't get in the way of their lifestyle.
13:46This baby seems to have absolutely no impact on their lives.
13:51It doesn't, you know, create a positive change in him.
13:54And it doesn't create a change in Haw's behavior in terms of protecting her baby.
14:01And not being involved in the behavior that he wants her to.
14:05So they have a threesome, you know, they have these very extreme fantasies.
14:10And then they start to put those fantasies into reality by, you know,
14:13sending explicit messages to each other about kidnap, about having sex with young girls,
14:18at the time that they've had a child together.
14:20Matthews and Haw were always welcomed into Angie and Darren's home.
14:26Along with Matthews' step-siblings, Becky and her brother, they appeared to be a normal, loving family.
14:34So to all intents and purposes, Nathan Matthews and Becky were brother and sister.
14:39That is how they saw their relationship.
14:41Her first word was Nathan.
14:44So even though they weren't living together, they were extremely close.
14:47It was only as they became older that this relationship became more strained.
14:52Matthews' family was a blended family, which is nothing out of the ordinary.
14:57And also Becky is part of this family unit.
15:01So there is a sense in which they do feel like a family.
15:05They do things together. They go on holiday together.
15:08But I do feel that there is that underlying sense of envy towards her.
15:13Because she is part of this family unit that he's always felt a little bit separate from.
15:18There were times where they would seemingly get along.
15:22And I think she kind of did want to get along with him,
15:25because that was somebody who she'd known since she was about two,
15:28that she saw as a brother despite their relationship issues.
15:33But she always felt like he disliked her.
15:36At the age of 12, Becky began to struggle with severe anxiety,
15:41which led to her becoming anorexic.
15:44Becky almost certainly drew the attention of Darren and Angie away from Nathan.
15:50And she occupied a lot of their mind. She was ill.
15:53And at the same time, she was developing into an adolescent.
15:59Becky is starting to present as a troubled young girl.
16:03She was anxious. She didn't like to go out.
16:06There was lots of social anxiety.
16:08And eventually that developed into an eating disorder.
16:11But from Matthew's perspective,
16:14here's the little girl that walked into his mom's house.
16:18And now here's this 12-year-old yet again getting all the attention.
16:23And I think that potentially could have just further angered him
16:27and added to his resentment of Becky.
16:31I stayed around Becky's one night and we were...
16:35We were in the kitchen making a pizza.
16:38And he was just stood there staring at us like he wouldn't smile,
16:41he wouldn't make conversation, he would just stare at me.
16:45Made me feel really uncomfortable.
16:47We've got a man here that is already fixated not just with Becky,
16:53but young girls generally.
16:55So he spends his time obsessively watching extreme pornography
17:02involving girls of a similar age.
17:05And then there's his stepsister of that age group,
17:10the same age of girls that he's sexually attracted to
17:13and obsessed with,
17:14and there's a girl right in front of him.
17:17But he also hates this girl because she took his mom.
17:22Two years later, in 2013, things were looking up for the family.
17:2814-year-old Becky was in a much better place
17:31and everyone was looking forward to a much-needed
17:35and long-awaited celebration.
17:37Angie and Darren were getting married.
17:40In August, the blended family became official.
17:44There is Nathan Matthews, dressed up for the wedding.
17:48There's Darren as the groom.
17:50There's his mother, Angie, wearing a white wedding dress,
17:53carrying a bouquet.
17:55Becky and Matthew's 19-year-old girlfriend, Shauna,
17:59were both bridesmaids.
18:01The day looked picture perfect.
18:03Even Nathan was beaming.
18:06It's interesting when we look at his behaviour with his family
18:10and that actually on the day that his mum marries Darren,
18:13it looks like a happy blended family.
18:16And everybody else would assume that they, you know,
18:19they'd managed to successfully blend this family together.
18:22So this was a young man that was able to put on that presentation
18:26that everything is okay,
18:28when actually within him something very different was going on.
18:32At the wedding, he was getting really angry about the shirt he had to wear
18:37for the wedding and he didn't want to wear it
18:39and he got into a massive argument about it with the family,
18:43and that was just over a shirt.
18:46Sadly, the honeymoon period didn't last long.
18:51Angie's health deteriorated and in March 2014,
18:5620-year-old Shauna Hoare became Angie's registered carer.
19:01Hoare and Matthew spent even more time at the house in Crown Hill.
19:06I would say Becky did like Shauna because she would always let Shauna
19:11get some of her clothing when she didn't want it anymore
19:14because she used to get a lot of new clothes.
19:16So Shauna would get her pick of her older clothes and she would always come round
19:21and she was, whenever she was round and Nathan wasn't there,
19:26they would talk and they would have conversations because it was kind of nice.
19:30It was almost like when Nathan was there, they didn't talk as much.
19:34It was more like a nice breath of fresh air kind of conversation
19:38to not have him there because it was almost like he had a problem
19:42with them two even talking.
19:44When I look at the dynamic between Matthews and Hoare,
19:47I think what we've got going on here is coercive control.
19:50I think there is a sense in which Matthews very slowly chipped away
19:55at Hoare's sense of identity.
19:57When he met her, she was a child.
19:59She hadn't known stability or security or continuity
20:03in any relationship before and he offered her that.
20:06Matthews didn't want Shauna and Becky to be friends.
20:11I think Matthews had a simmering, building rage inside him.
20:18And I think that came from feelings of jealousy, resentment, rejection.
20:27And he looked at this young girl and he put all of that rage onto her.
20:34How dare you take the attention of my mum?
20:37How dare you live in my family when I didn't have that?
20:41And he might not have actually been able to think clearly like I'm explaining it.
20:49He would have just experienced these feelings.
20:52The last time I saw Becky was the Sunday.
20:58I walked her home and I said,
21:00Bye, mate.
21:01And she went, Bye.
21:02And she gave me a hug.
21:03And we did a fist bump.
21:04And then I walked home.
21:05So as the sun was setting.
21:07And that was the last time I actually saw her in person alive.
21:11On Thursday, the 19th of February, 2015, Angie returned from a hospital appointment
21:22to find that 16-year-old Becky was not at home.
21:26Nathan Matthews and Shauna Hoare explained that they had heard her leave the house.
21:32I think it must have been like 11 in the morning.
21:35I sent her a message on WhatsApp and it went through with two ticks,
21:39but it wasn't read.
21:41And then I sent her another message about 15 minutes later,
21:44just to see if she got the first one.
21:46And it came back with one tick, meaning undelivered.
21:49Meaning her phone was switched off between that period of time.
21:52It wasn't unusual for her phone to be off.
21:57And then I just didn't think much of it.
22:00Just stayed at home for that day.
22:02And then later that day, I was still sending her messages
22:06and they weren't going through.
22:07So I kind of just thought, oh, maybe she's gone to bed early.
22:09Maybe she was too busy to reply.
22:11I did find it strange that she wasn't texting back.
22:14Um, because she would always text back straight away.
22:17Um, I didn't get too worried because I know sometimes, like,
22:21people just get distracted doing other things.
22:24It wasn't out of the ordinary for Becky to stay over at a friend's house.
22:29So her family weren't concerned when she didn't return that night.
22:33The following morning, however, there was still no word from Becky
22:37and that wasn't normal.
22:39When I called around all the other friends that we had, um...
22:43They hadn't heard from her, hadn't seen her.
22:46And that's when I rang her house phone and her family, like...
22:49Angie picked up, her step-mom, and they said...
22:53She said that she hadn't heard from her either
22:56and I was then, like, very concerned.
22:59And that's when I just kept ringing the house phone every now and then saying,
23:03is she back home yet? Where is she?
23:05And that's when everyone kind of realised something really bad was going on.
23:10Her friends and family were asking the question, where was Becky Watts?
23:17No-one had heard from the 16-year-old in over 24 hours,
23:22and their worst fears were about to be realised.
23:25By Friday the 20th of February 2015,
23:39family and friends of 16-year-old Becky Watts
23:42were becoming increasingly worried.
23:45Messages sent to the teenager went unanswered,
23:48and she hadn't been seen since the previous morning.
23:51It was completely out of character.
23:55I just remember all of us being so worried about Becky.
23:59Um...
24:00I think we were just, like, so upset and stuff
24:04that she had gone missing.
24:06It just didn't really make sense to us.
24:08With no news, her dad, Darren, decided to call the police.
24:14PHONE RINGS
24:16I'm sorry, sir. Can I help?
24:17Um...
24:18It appears my daughter's gone missing.
24:20No-one has seen her, no?
24:22No.
24:23We phoned round the family.
24:24All her friends have contacted us and asked them where it is,
24:27and none of them know.
24:28What do you think?
24:29Uh, Rebecca Watts.
24:32As the police began their investigation,
24:35Becky's family set about spreading word of her disappearance.
24:40They were looking for any way possible for people
24:43to, uh, be contacted about where Becky might be.
24:48They chose to go on Facebook.
24:49They put out an appeal.
24:51Becky's dad needed help to do that,
24:53so enlisted Nathan Matthews to put that message online.
24:59The community joined forces to search for the missing 16-year-old.
25:04Our whole family came out, and everyone from our school was there.
25:08We were just trying to find her because, at this point,
25:10there was no updates.
25:11We didn't have a clue what was going on.
25:13And it's like, you just didn't want to sit there and twiddle your thumbs.
25:16You wanted to do something.
25:18Even though it might not amount to anything,
25:20it was better than doing nothing.
25:23Days went by with still no sign of Becky.
25:27The search became more and more extensive.
25:30This big pond in the area was dredged by police.
25:34Scores of officers were involved by this point,
25:36a huge operation for the force in this area.
25:40Plus, you had the social media presence as well.
25:43This find Becky hashtag was being spoken about all across the country,
25:47and by this point,
25:48millions would have known that she had gone missing.
25:51My worst fear was maybe just thinking
25:53that something seriously bad had happened to her,
25:56like she had been killed or raped or something,
25:59and she was just in a ditch somewhere, anywhere.
26:03I did think that sometimes.
26:05The police turned their attention to the two people
26:11who'd heard Becky leaving the house on the day she disappeared.
26:15Her stepbrother, Nathan Matthews, and his girlfriend, Shauna Hall.
26:20The questioning of Nathan Matthews was a really slow process.
26:24There was not much information coming from him for many, many hours.
26:28Unlike Matthews, Hall was only too willing to talk through the last time
26:34they'd heard from Becky.
26:36I think we got there about 11ish.
26:39Um, the door was locked,
26:40so obviously we used a key from underneath the recycling bin.
26:43Got in.
26:45Um, heard music upstairs.
26:48She and Becky had been in then.
26:50Um, I went into the kitchen to get a cigarette,
26:56and went to go outside and have a cigarette.
26:59And probably it was about 15, 20 minutes.
27:04Um, then we came back up.
27:07I went into the kitchen to get a drink.
27:11I think I was washing my hands.
27:13Mm-hm.
27:14Then I heard the front door slam.
27:16Although Matthews hadn't said much,
27:18he did corroborate Hall's version of events.
27:22When you heard that, it's your thought.
27:24Are you thinking that's the front door that slammed?
27:26Yeah.
27:27Yeah, okay.
27:28Um, and who did you think that was then?
27:32Well, Becky.
27:33Okay.
27:34Immediately before this sound of the door slamming,
27:38what could you hear then?
27:40That was kind of more, you know,
27:42kind of make sure I'll get a bit of men's back and get in my drink.
27:45Yeah.
27:46Um, no, I heard stomping down the stairs.
27:51That's what made me think that Becky left in a mood.
27:53If I said to Angie, because the door slammed,
27:55I wasn't sure if that was the wind.
27:56Mm.
27:57I took it because there was, like,
27:58quite stomp, stomp, stomp down the stairs.
28:01I assumed, you know, she was in a bit of one of her tantrums.
28:05Yeah.
28:07There was no evidence to connect them
28:09to Becky's disappearance,
28:11but the police were left with an uneasy feeling about the couple.
28:16Something was off.
28:18The following day, they were brought in for further questioning.
28:24Has Nathan had any sort of concerns about speaking to us?
28:28Not that you told me now?
28:30No.
28:34If he does, I wouldn't know then.
28:36Yeah.
28:37How is he finding it?
28:39Um, he's found it quite hard, actually.
28:41Again, he's kind of more thinking,
28:43my God, if it were...
28:44Yeah.
28:45Or, again, knowing how hard it would be for his mum at the moment.
28:47Mm.
28:48You know, because Becky was almost like her daughter to her.
28:51Yeah.
28:52You know, when it is...
28:53Um...
28:54And then over the weekend,
28:55have either you or Nathan been involved in searching for Becky
28:58or doing any...
28:59No, I wasn't aware they were doing a search.
29:00I didn't realise until, um...
29:02Yeah.
29:03I think it was yesterday.
29:04Yeah.
29:05I went on my Facebook and, obviously,
29:06there was news articles and pictures popped up about
29:08that they did the search.
29:09Mm.
29:10But we weren't told about it at all.
29:13While the police continued their questioning,
29:16the forensics team made a breakthrough.
29:19There's a point in any missing person's investigation
29:23where close family members of the person who's gone missing
29:26have to be looked at by police, unfortunately,
29:29and this was the case here.
29:32They did a search of Becky's home,
29:35and it was during that that they found an absolutely key detail.
29:40They found her blood in the doorframe of her bedroom,
29:44and they found a fingerprint within that.
29:46The bloody print was sent for analysis.
29:51And the thumbprint belonged to Nathan Matthews.
29:55It was a huge piece of evidence
29:58which placed Matthews in the house with Becky
30:01at some point when she'd been bleeding.
30:04That pointed to him being the prime suspect in her disappearance.
30:08On the 28th of February 2015, Nathan Matthews and Shauna Hall
30:15were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping Becky Watts.
30:19Four days later, on the 2nd of March,
30:22Matthews submitted a written statement through his legal team
30:26in which he confessed to killing his own stepsister.
30:29Can you tell me then, Nathan,
30:31cos if we work through what you told us in this written statement,
30:34this, erm, idea that you had...
30:38Obviously, you... I think you wanted more detail, was it?
30:40Yeah. Yeah, I do.
30:50Obviously, I should be able to go into more detail.
30:53Mm-hm.
30:58I just... I don't know.
31:04There are a couple of ways...
31:05Are you gonna have to...
31:06Are you gonna have to read that statement?
31:08No.
31:09There are a couple of ways we could get around this.
31:11Cos...
31:12Obviously...
31:14I don't want that to be read...
31:17to someone.
31:19Nathan Matthews eventually admitted to killing Becky Watts,
31:32and he told police that his plan had gone wrong,
31:35but Shauna Hall had nothing to do with it.
31:38In fact, she was downstairs at the time that all this happened,
31:41and she was having a cigarette in the kitchen.
31:43Matthews seemed unwilling to talk about his girlfriend
31:48in connection to the events.
31:51Obviously, she said something about, erm...
31:53Something about Shauna. Can you rephrase that?
31:56Mm-hm.
31:57So...
32:00You can include, basically, everybody in it and not use her name.
32:06Like...
32:09Do you want me to say...
32:10Do you want me to say...
32:11I think...
32:12Like...
32:13The other person?
32:14Is it just saying your name?
32:18Just include everybody.
32:20And, like...
32:22Obviously, she's in it.
32:23Obviously, we'll be included in it, but...
32:25Include everybody.
32:26Don't say her name.
32:27OK.
32:30OK.
32:33I think what he's doing here is trying to...
32:35to keep the police away from Hall.
32:38Not because he wants to protect her.
32:39He's trying to maintain control here.
32:41He's pleading with the police to leave her name out of this.
32:45Because the information that she knows is dynamite.
32:49Hall, too, claims she played no part in Becky's death.
32:53How do I know that you weren't involved?
32:57Again, I shouldn't have any...
33:00DNA reason to be involved.
33:01And, again...
33:03Especially...
33:06With my past.
33:08To think that I could...
33:10Allow harm to come to somebody else like that...
33:13Is highly unlikely.
33:15And, again, the fact that, as far as I knew...
33:17He was, you know, changing.
33:19He wasn't as violent anymore.
33:21But Matthews was violent.
33:24And to prove it, he told police exactly where they would find Becky's body.
33:29Detectives also discovered CCTV taken the day after her disappearance.
33:35And it pointed towards a heartbreaking end.
33:38Nathan Matthews and his girlfriend, Shauna Hoare, were in custody on suspicion of the kidnap of Becky Watts.
33:54Investigators were tracing their movements since the teenager was last seen alive.
34:01They discovered CCTV footage from the day after Becky disappeared,
34:06which showed Nathan Matthews visiting a DIY store.
34:11Matthews quite coolly and calmly purchases a circular saw,
34:15which he then uses to dismember his stepsister's body.
34:19He cuts it into eight pieces.
34:21So the idea that he can do this without completely breaking down
34:26tells us a lot about the kind of person he is.
34:30I don't think anybody can even begin to imagine what that would have been like.
34:35It is not easy to cut up a body.
34:40It would have taken great force.
34:43The amount of blood would have been horrific.
34:46And he was able to do that to his stepsister.
34:49So where do you hide body parts?
34:52Well, Hoare and Matthews went to a friend in Barton Court.
34:58They offered them £10,000 to store these packages inside a shed.
35:03But they told them not in any way to look inside them.
35:06The friends agreed to take a suitcase from Matthews.
35:11Following his confession, the police recovered Becky's remains
35:15from their garden shed.
35:17I suppose the question, um, is why Becky?
35:24I don't know.
35:25Again, I knew they didn't particularly like each other.
35:28I wouldn't say they hated each other.
35:30I'd never seen him have an argument.
35:32As the questioning went on, Matthews claimed that he'd never intended to hurt Becky.
35:40She'd leave things out on the floor of my mum to trip over her.
35:45And, obviously, would talk to her, um, like, say, nasty comments
35:52and talk to her like dirt on the floor.
35:57And, obviously, I thought if I was, you know, able to scare her,
36:03and, obviously, her not be harmed and, obviously, be released.
36:07Obviously, when she got back...
36:09..she obviously would have been scared and more appreciative of things,
36:16as people are.
36:20Even when he's confessed to her murder,
36:23he is painting her as the aggressor.
36:26He's saying she was the one who was badly behaved,
36:28she was treating my mother horrendously.
36:31So he's trying to, basically, say she deserved it, essentially.
36:35So, when did you think all of this up?
36:43I can't be certain. I'm no good with dates.
36:47I've said this repeatedly in days, muddling into other days.
36:51If it was a plan to just kidnap her and scare her,
36:55how did he possibly think he was going to get away with that?
36:59What was the purpose?
37:01I think there was more behind that plan.
37:05I think he planned to do harm to Becky.
37:09Matthews and Hoare were brought to court together to face charges.
37:14I felt sick looking at him, knowing what he did.
37:20And, yeah, I didn't always like Becky, but she was a nice enough girl.
37:24She was so young.
37:25I can't understand how we could have done it to us.
37:42Gradually, from Matthews' accounts and the evidence they'd gathered,
37:46investigators were able to piece together what happened on that fateful day.
37:51When they arrived on the morning of the 19th of February 2015 at Angie's house,
37:58it was that they were also carrying, among the many other things, two stun guns.
38:02Now, what was that about?
38:04Was it to take Becky prisoner and whisk her back to their own house?
38:10Was it to subdue her while they did whatever they wanted to do?
38:15What it does is precisely underline the premeditation that Matthews brought to the killing of Becky Watts.
38:24It was just after 11 o'clock. It's not entirely clear what happened, but Matthews went upstairs.
38:33He was wearing a mask. He went into Becky's room.
38:37Some sort of fight ensued. His mask slipped, but ultimately, Becky ended up being murdered.
38:43At any point within this altercation, he could have chosen to stop.
38:48He could have chosen to step back, to walk away, and to leave Becky with her life.
38:54But that was not what he wanted here. He wanted to destroy her.
38:59Becky had suffered. I mean, she had cuts and bruises on her face.
39:04She had 15 stab wounds inflicted after she died. It is horrifying.
39:14What happened, happened fairly quickly, but Becky was put into a suitcase.
39:20Becky's step-mum arrived home around an hour or so later, walking past the car that Becky was in the boot of at this point.
39:29She found Haw and Matthews acting normally. They're actually watching TV when she returned home.
39:36The couple remained at the family home, keeping up the pretense of normality until 7pm that evening,
39:45around eight hours after Becky had been killed.
39:48During this time, the 16-year-old's body lay hidden just metres away.
39:53They take their child back home. They leave Becky in the boot of the car.
40:01They order a takeaway and they act as though nothing has happened at all.
40:06It was so matter-of-fact that it defies belief.
40:10We don't see this in the majority of murder cases.
40:15Generally, especially this is the first time they've taken a life.
40:18You know, they're not, they're not serial murderers here.
40:22That's, it's shocking to take the life of another person.
40:26So most people, even if they've taken a life, will have some element of, of a shock response.
40:33But that's not here.
40:35On the 4th of March 2015, Nathan Matthews was charged with the murder of Becky Watts.
40:41Hoare, who, along with Matthews, claimed she'd been completely unaware of Becky's death,
40:48was charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice.
40:52But that was before CCTV began to emerge of the couple buying the bags and the things to dispose of the body,
41:04plus the discovery of Hoare's DNA.
41:07So in June 2015, Hoare 2 is charged with murder.
41:15And I think that's where any empathy that we have for Hoare,
41:23in that she was this abused, vulnerable girl who was controlled by him.
41:29And yes, I absolutely, uh, agreed that she was.
41:34But her actions now, post-murder, are just unforgivable.
41:41The fact that she goes along with the way that he treats Becky's body.
41:46On the 6th of October 2015, Nathan Matthews and Shauna Hoare stood trial.
41:56Although Matthews admitted killing Becky, he and Hoare both denied murder and conspiracy to kidnap.
42:04The prosecution presented their case as a sexually motivated murder based on Matthews and Hoare's joint fixation on teenage girls.
42:13There was definitely elements of a sexually motivated murder.
42:18However, I think it's a factor, and I think it is quite simplistic to just look at that.
42:26And I think the hatred that he had, the love-hate obsession that he had with Becky, is absolutely crucial.
42:33And that's why it was Becky, and not a random teenage girl that he killed.
42:40Hoare's defense claimed that she'd been subjected to years of physical and emotional abuse at the hands of Matthews.
42:49I think many people have quite a difficulty in making sense of Hoare, because looking at this from the outside,
42:55how on earth could you go along with this kind of thing? How on earth could you tolerate the kind of behavior that Matthews was engaged in?
43:03But that kind of judgment is made without an awareness of what coercive control actually is.
43:10It's taking away someone's identity. It's taking away their capacity for independent thought.
43:15Everything that Hoare was, she was for Matthews. She was enmeshed with him. She was embedded with him.
43:22And by the time that she extracted herself from that, Becky had already been killed.
43:27On the 11th of November 2015, Nathan Matthews was found guilty of the murder of Becky Watts.
43:35He was sentenced to a minimum of 33 years in prison.
43:38Shawna Hoare was found guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter and sentenced to 17 years.
43:47I've covered lots of murders in Britain, unfortunately, but this case really stands out because of that family relationship.
43:55It is so unusual for someone to kill someone who's essentially a sibling and for them to dismember them as well.
44:02Absolutely horrific, but almost exceptional, really, that someone would do that to someone so close in their family.
44:13It's also hard because sometimes I think about her and I'm like, oh, Becky would have liked to do this.
44:20Like, if I go to the beach or I go to a theme park, I'm like, she would have loved this.
44:24And she really wanted to go on holiday for her 18th birthday, go to somewhere like Magaluf or something.
44:31And so whenever I, when I went to Spain myself, it was kind of bittersweet because like, I'm doing this for you, but also you don't get to experience this.
44:40Nathan Matthews sadistically killed his little stepsister in the cruelest way possible.
44:49Then he sat back and watched as an entire community desperately search for the missing teenager.
44:56He brutalized Becky in life and death, condemning his whole family to a lifetime of pain, making Nathan Matthews one of Britain's most evil killers.
45:07He brutalized Becky in life and death, remains more the people who died.
45:13He was not a huge slave to the dead in the sanctuary, but he's not a long-time living.
45:24He died at the end of the sanctuary and death, even though he suffered from the dead in the painful time.
45:28He died at the end of the sanctuary.
45:30He died at the end of the sanctuary.
45:33He died at the end of the sanctuary.
45:35You