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00:00:00On the side, please. What's the emergency?
00:00:05Someone's been murdered down the alleyway with a hammer.
00:00:08I think it's a nightclub, but one quick.
00:00:11When a killer strikes...
00:00:12He died at 8.50 this morning.
00:00:16So we've now got a murder investigation.
00:00:19Catching the suspect falls to a specialist team of detectives.
00:00:24Wow, it's quite shocking.
00:00:26His last moment, we're in the street.
00:00:28First, they must hunt for clues.
00:00:31What was that? Could be the murder weapon.
00:00:33There are messages of interest.
00:00:35I've killed someone.
00:00:37He was just possessed. He was a man on a mission.
00:00:40Then...
00:00:40Ah, there we go.
00:00:42...identify a suspect.
00:00:43That is spot on.
00:00:45And bring them in.
00:00:49Oh, please!
00:00:50There you are.
00:00:52What do you want to look at?
00:00:53Get on the floor, Dan.
00:00:56There's no handcuffs on it, please.
00:00:58You're under arrest for murder, OK?
00:01:00No.
00:01:02Next, they must question the suspect to build the case.
00:01:06Explain to me what's going on.
00:01:08You're in truth!
00:01:09I can't!
00:01:10Separate the truth from the lies.
00:01:13You said there wasn't a plan.
00:01:15Where were you heading then?
00:01:16Out of the way, I don't know.
00:01:16And deliver justice for the victims and their families.
00:01:21They are two really dangerous people.
00:01:24The streets will be a much safer place without them.
00:01:28This time...
00:01:34This patient is fully unresponsive, active procedure.
00:01:38A brutal attack on a man in his own home...
00:01:41...turns into a murder investigation.
00:01:47It's quiet, like a frenzied attack.
00:01:49He's clearly doing a kicking motion.
00:01:51There's no disproving that.
00:01:53It's evidence.
00:01:54And sees detectives having to investigate multiple suspects.
00:01:59I've lost a friend.
00:02:00Now getting accused of being murdered is disgusting.
00:02:03Under the service.
00:02:18Is the patient breathing?
00:02:20He's breathing, yes.
00:02:21He's taking away.
00:02:24Keep your thoughts, mate.
00:02:27He's not going to care, though.
00:02:29He's not moving.
00:02:30And he's bleeding, is he?
00:02:32I think he's being looked up.
00:02:34He's sitting with a knuckle duster.
00:02:37Is the attack still nearby?
00:02:39I don't know.
00:02:40Please, can we just get an ambulance?
00:02:41We are arranging help.
00:02:43OK, don't worry.
00:02:45With reports of a knuckle duster involved...
00:02:48...and a suspect at large...
00:02:50...police are deployed, as well as paramedics.
00:02:52529, what do you want back to the...
00:02:54...for a requirement of something to pull?
00:02:57So where is he bleeding seriously from?
00:02:59Everywhere.
00:03:00Yeah, his head, his eyes, he's bleeding all of that.
00:03:04What are you, Marie?
00:03:06Can we get you up, please?
00:03:07What are you, Marie?
00:03:08Oh, please?
00:03:10Oh, please, stop it, please, please, stop it, please.
00:03:13I'll pick up the glass on your own, mate.
00:03:15Listen carefully.
00:03:16I need to make sure we do chest compressions...
00:03:18...so we can help them before the ambulance gets there.
00:03:20What?
00:03:20What are you telling me about this?
00:03:22One, two, three, four.
00:03:25One, two, three, four.
00:03:27That's really good.
00:03:28Good job of that, Dave.
00:03:31Oh, wait.
00:03:34That's one, two, four.
00:03:46One, two, three, four.
00:03:48A 49-year-old man has serious head injuries.
00:03:56It's really pretty.
00:03:58It's just truly unconscious that he's breathing.
00:04:01There's blood all over the flat and there's a female inside.
00:04:05Trying to help you, fella.
00:04:06All right.
00:04:06As responders battle to stabilise the patient...
00:04:10I've just got in here.
00:04:12I don't know what's happened.
00:04:14Police focus on the woman who made the 999 call to the ambulance service.
00:04:18Who is it?
00:04:19That's John Huttig.
00:04:20John Huttig.
00:04:21Is anyone else in the address apart from you?
00:04:23No, just me.
00:04:24Do you live here?
00:04:25No, no, no, just a friend.
00:04:27Are you aware of what's happened?
00:04:29No, no, not aware at all.
00:04:30How happened as you came round?
00:04:32Because I always come round.
00:04:34Just off chance, you just came round.
00:04:35But no, I've already been in here and then I popped out here and come back.
00:04:38Okay.
00:04:39Who else is being here?
00:04:40I don't know.
00:04:41I'm not too sure.
00:04:42Just put your shorts a bit.
00:04:43Is that his fault?
00:04:44Not certain.
00:04:44I don't know.
00:04:48Let me talk now.
00:04:49I'm going to stop this patient.
00:04:51I'm fully in response to the aptitude of the season.
00:04:55It looks like he's probably got an injury to the back of his head.
00:04:57It looks like there's a bit of blood pouring round the back on the floor.
00:05:01Not anything obvious I've ever seen.
00:05:05A sergeant has arrived to manage the active crime scene on the first floor of the tower block.
00:05:12Just until I get upstairs and find out what's going on, I'll be like just to stand by.
00:05:16I just don't want everyone up there contaminating the scene if we need to keep it sterile.
00:05:21Officers need to establish if there's anyone else involved.
00:05:25What we've got now, there's a male and a female that are present in now.
00:05:29A female has said that she's been here early on, she's gone out for an hour, she's come back.
00:05:33She's found him, done some marks and found him unconscious on the floor.
00:05:37It's looking like he's been hit on the head.
00:05:41Would you be willing to provide a statement for him?
00:05:44I don't know, I found him like that, I hadn't seen nothing there, I don't know.
00:05:49Could she give any indication who would have done that?
00:05:51She's just, she's no idea.
00:05:53She's just, no, could she have anybody else?
00:05:55So, yeah, I could ask her, it's just about time, it's like it was interesting, yeah.
00:06:01Is it going to be alright or what?
00:06:04I don't know, I'm not sure.
00:06:06Yeah.
00:06:07Can you just give us a little bit of the time again, okay?
00:06:10Why?
00:06:11Just while we're talking.
00:06:13So, yeah, establishes exactly what's going on alright.
00:06:15Well, I don't know what's going on.
00:06:17Can I go again please?
00:06:24Yeah.
00:06:25Yeah.
00:06:29This is horrible.
00:06:30So you were there earlier once in the room?
00:06:31Yeah.
00:06:32Yeah.
00:06:33Why was you here?
00:06:34Tom?
00:06:35Yeah.
00:06:36Which one of you was at this?
00:06:37It's a friend.
00:06:38We've got a man.
00:06:39This is a lamb.
00:06:40What was our?
00:06:41How about?
00:06:42So, did you want to wear online?
00:06:44That way?
00:06:45No.
00:06:49Who is she to this person?
00:06:52Just a friend.
00:06:55I think, let's, let's bring her in.
00:06:58We need to find out who she is, and if nothing we can treat her as a significant person.
00:07:02We've got to make this character.
00:07:03Hello.
00:07:04Alright.
00:07:05It's a moment in time you're under arrest and suspicion of section 18 assault.
00:07:09I've not done nothing.
00:07:10Do you not have to say the team may have a defence if you're not mentioning one question
00:07:12something which you're later aligned in court?
00:07:14Why am I getting arrested for this?
00:07:15I haven't done it.
00:07:16The officer's just told you.
00:07:17You're at this scene where Neil's being serious.
00:07:18Yes, I know, but I found him like that and I'll find the ambulance straight away.
00:07:23It's not me.
00:07:24Just search it, mate.
00:07:25Why would I do that?
00:07:26I don't know.
00:07:27We weren't here.
00:07:28No, I know, but I wouldn't hear either.
00:07:29I'd find the ambulance, you know.
00:07:30I know, but we need to be certain of that, don't we?
00:07:31Yeah, but no, because I've not done something.
00:07:33That's what it is.
00:07:34That's his?
00:07:35Yeah, it is.
00:07:36We're going to want that then, aren't we?
00:07:37Yeah.
00:07:38With the victim's wallet found on the woman, she's taken into custody.
00:07:48Can we speak to you?
00:07:50Can we speak to you?
00:07:51Can we speak to you?
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00:07:53Can we speak to you?
00:07:58Absolute takes of history.
00:08:03Officers are now following the mail to the hospital.
00:08:06We've got this one for your mail for our GBH.
00:08:08Can you make the CSI aware?
00:08:10We've got the scene secure until they arrive.
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00:08:38The cross keptis key.
00:08:39The�preually protected by the child.
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00:08:41Are you clothed all over the flat and there's a female inside here.
00:08:43Are you under arrest, a suspicion of, a full section 18 assault?
00:08:45I've not done that.
00:08:46A 27-year-old woman who called the ambulance has been arrested on suspicion of GBH.
00:08:50edge now police are in a race against the clock to establish what happened in the flat
00:09:09the case has been escalated to the major crime team
00:09:12what everyone heading the investigation is detective chief inspector ben robinson so
00:09:22victim is jonathan hutty call comes in from our suspect uh lauren roundhill she's reporting that
00:09:31she's been out come back to the flat and found jonathan face down it looks like he's been
00:09:37assaulted please turn up she gives a strange account and is trying to get away so she's
00:09:44arrested for assault at this moment in time our victim is still alive and it's been described as
00:09:54an irreversible brain injury and it's anticipated that he's not going to recover we're just making
00:10:01phone call to the hospital now so imminently we'll get an update on his condition in the background
00:10:06of the call to the ambulance someone a male voice says he's been hit with a knuckle duster
00:10:13the hospital may comment on any other injuries it's visible i'm just thinking about the knuckle
00:10:19duster as a weapon no but he's been photographed and you can see he's got a cut to his head here
00:10:26it sounds very much like we'll have the post-mortem to come
00:10:33there's an update come through literally just come through he died at 8 50 this morning family
00:10:38have just arrived it's literally just happened yeah 8 50. 8 50. okay so we've now got a murder
00:10:50we've just had the news literally just at the back end of that meeting with the forensics
00:10:56that our victims passed away now
00:11:00hi there it's ben robinson from humberside police i need to speak to a coroner's office to discuss a
00:11:07home office post-mortem the investigation changes now it was an investigation into assault it's now
00:11:15a murder investigation cheers bye i can't imagine how it feels the family
00:11:21i'm more determined than ever to get the evidence to convict those that have done this
00:11:31detective constables simon holmes and shelly fuller are en route to interview the suspect
00:11:37we are going to interview lauren roundhill at clough road police station when she's been booked into
00:11:46custody at clough road she stated that at this stage she doesn't want a solicitor
00:11:50she may realize the gravity of this and decide that she does want a solicitor but our strategy really is
00:11:56to get there as soon as possible to um get in to interview and see what she wants to tell us
00:12:01let's go around here let's go around here and i've got three writing entitlements
00:12:08get this officer down here
00:12:10do you like soliciting no
00:12:11do you have any particular reason why you don't want soliciting
00:12:13this side long for you if that's all right
00:12:24so to summarize we're investigating the uh murder of mr john hutty at that time you're under arrest for
00:12:32an offensive assault serious assault section 18 against john hutty yeah recently john has passed away
00:12:38so heads it's now what made it inquiry tell me everything you can well i was i was with hutty
00:12:47i was with hutty and right was at hutty's and was having a drink and smoking crap and then
00:12:56his girlfriend and small smally come right after they'd been to the pub okay so quite a lot there so
00:13:04i'll probably need to go back how do you know this life and smally and how long have you known him
00:13:10um i've only ever known of him ian smarley like from bronzer where he's a well-known kid in him
00:13:16right okay ian smarley and girlfriend yeah i don't even know her first name which last time i've met her
00:13:25right so you was with hutty at hutty's having red wine and crack then you said his girlfriend and
00:13:33smally and gav came after the pub yep gab leaning were talking about that way yeah smally and gav went
00:13:44because i was going to score so that left me john and girlfriend in the park it was taking ages so me
00:13:51and girlfriend went to go find them that's just living up there giving the fat on his own
00:13:57um did john have any injuries at that point no tell me what he was doing when you left
00:14:03it's on the city right until he had the musical i've gone to the lift the list was on the eye
00:14:10floors both of them so i said i would walk upstairs you know so i've walked upstairs i've gone into gav's
00:14:16nobody was in gav's but as i was coming out with gav's gav's run past me and said i've hit oh he's been
00:14:21knocked out he's been knocked out and you best go downstairs i've hit i think oh he's been knocked
00:14:27out he's been knocked out right so i've ran literally ran down the stairs so when i've walked in
00:14:33there's hutty laid on the floor face down and was still in the flat okay so this bit's important
00:14:41i've run it and hutty was laid face down on the floor because his face was just covered in blood
00:14:45i don't know he's still coming across as being aggressive aggressive
00:15:13right okay did say anything don't ring an ambulance i put his head don't ring an ambulance
00:15:19yeah did he say it'll be all right to you yeah once i had i rang an ambulance and then mentally
00:15:26did you see anybody assault john while you were there no no i wouldn't let that happen okay did
00:15:34anybody else say who'd assaulted john did anybody say what happened no did you ask
00:15:40what happened no tried panicking so much at any point in the flat did you see any of these people
00:15:46with a knuckle duster no do you know if any of them ever carry a knuckle duster no have you ever seen
00:15:52any of them with a knuckle duster before like i said i'm not that thingy with them i'm not involved
00:15:58of them and i'm not usually involved in any of this kind of stuff i made it to 26 about getting
00:16:05arrested okay and now i'm involved in this so you was not in the flight when hutty was assaulted 100
00:16:12percent 100 after you found him with the injuries did you leave him at any point no i didn't leave him
00:16:17not once okay i stayed on the phone to an ambulance all right and we appreciate that you've done the right
00:16:22thing i have no one who helped him yeah god i'm upset i've lost a friend and all and now getting
00:16:27accused of his murder it's disgusting i can see you're upset but yeah i'm upset because i feel like
00:16:33you are actually accusing me we're not we're not we're not accusing you at all our job lauren to
00:16:39yeah i want you to get justice i want you to get justice for what you don't deserve this nobody deserves
00:16:45it it's disgusting as soon as we've told our bosses what you've said then they'll make a decision
00:16:51and we'll come back and tell you as soon as we know anything more okay all right all right before
00:16:56we take the recording line is there anything else you want to tell us no i've told you the
00:17:00fault you feel something nothing but the truth okay all right okay the detectives feedback lauren
00:17:08roundell's account naming three alternative suspects hello ben robinson speaking we have just
00:17:14interviewed lauren for the last hour and a quarter and she spoke at length without a solicitor boss
00:17:20okay she said she was with hutty the day it happened some people she says ian smalley gavin leaning
00:17:30and his girlfriend whose name she does not know come back to hutty's flat after the pub
00:17:36she said smaller gav went to score her and girlfriend left to go look for the others
00:17:44leaving hutty on his own in the flat she walks up the stairs to gav's flat on the 12th floor as she
00:17:52comes out of gav's flat gav runs past her towards his flat saying you best go downstairs i've hit
00:18:02hutty he's been knocked out she runs downstairs she then sees hutty laid face down on the floor in the
00:18:12living room hutty is unconscious not moving and his face was covered in blood ian smalley stood over
00:18:21hutty and is sat on the sofa like nothing's happened small he said he's nicked my bank card she then says
00:18:30as soon as she puts the ambulance on speakerphone and smalley leave she says i did not see any assault at
00:18:39all i wouldn't have let this happen i can't tell you who assaulted him because i didn't see it and
00:18:46that's it brilliant in my humble opinion she's given us a full account we just need to do some work
00:18:56to confirm or deny that right okay cheers for the update cheers bye bye bye
00:19:01so we know we've now got ian smalley gavin leaning in the flat in the address one of them is potentially
00:19:12then the one in the background of the 999 call so that'd be some actions to go and speak to them
00:19:17no second interview then though and we'll bail it lauren you're getting bailed now do you want to grab
00:19:28your stuff having provided three names for detectives to investigate this way and a possible motive
00:19:35regarding a bank card lauren is released on bail lauren is adamant that she wasn't there when he was
00:19:42assaulted but is she telling us the truth thank you this way lauren it would be a bit naive just to
00:19:48take her word for the fact that she wasn't there at the time of the assault we need to be absolutely
00:19:52sure of that so you've been bailed we need to check what you're telling us is the truth yeah okay the
00:19:58cynic would say that why at the material time why is she saying she was somewhere else so we're gonna
00:20:04need to try and bottom that as best we can take care cheers
00:20:21in hall the major crime team are investigating the murder of jonathan hutty
00:20:26and named three other suspects
00:20:57ian smallley gavin in the flat in the address and that would be some actions to go and speak to them
00:21:07detective chief inspector ben robinson and detective inspector sarah petro
00:21:12are focusing on the suspect reported to have been stood over jonathan hutty after being attacked
00:21:1853 year old ian smallley was arrested 18 hours after the assault for an unrelated incident
00:21:30so this is the incident that was reported and then he was arrested at this address
00:21:40he's been called to the stress of the service you're passed out on the floor he's crying
00:21:47seems like very intoxicated he does yeah you can see how aggressive he is in here
00:21:51no no yeah
00:22:01no no
00:22:02what was that alphabet
00:22:02Was that a knuckle duster?
00:22:04It was just one knuckle duster.
00:22:06It could be the murder weapon because there's been some mention
00:22:09on the 999 call of he's been hit with a knuckle duster.
00:22:12I can't see any traces of blood or anything, I don't know.
00:22:16The knuckle duster will need to get sent off
00:22:19for forensic testing to see if there's any DNA blood on it.
00:22:23Yeah.
00:22:24You're under arrest for assault, criminal damage,
00:22:26possession of offensive weapon, all right?
00:22:28Me? Yeah.
00:22:30Ian Smalley has a total of 32 convictions for 96 offences.
00:22:43They include theft, assault, drugs,
00:22:46and a few offensive weapon convictions as well.
00:22:49Are you going to be all right in our car?
00:22:50Yeah.
00:22:51Yeah?
00:22:52It's assault, violence offences.
00:22:55So it shows who that person is, really.
00:22:58So this is Leaning being booked into custody.
00:22:59Yeah.
00:23:00Since the assault, detectives have learned 51-year-old Gavin Leaning
00:23:01has also been detained.
00:23:05At this time, Gavin Leaning's in custody for burglar offences,
00:23:08which are not connected with the investigation that we have ongoing.
00:23:1030 points of frequency.
00:23:11It's called Leaning.
00:23:12Sorry.
00:23:13That is Leaning.
00:23:14That is Leaning.
00:23:15L-E-A-N-I-E-A.
00:23:16At this time, Gavin Leaning is in custody for burglar offences, which are not connected
00:23:17with the investigation that we have ongoing.
00:23:1830 points of the arrest.
00:23:19At this time, Gavin Leaning is in custody for burglary offences which are not connected
00:23:28with the investigation that we have ongoing.
00:23:40Gavin Leaning has a total of 26 previous convictions for a total of 57 offences and
00:23:48they include theft offences, assaults, and one for drugs.
00:24:01See his hand? I couldn't look at it compared to...
00:24:05That is really swollen.
00:24:13If he's just been involved in an assault, that's pretty damning.
00:24:16Yeah. And for it to look that swollen, it looks like it would be a significant punch with it, wouldn't it?
00:24:23Yeah.
00:24:25Having broken their licence conditions, both Gavin Leaning and Ian Smalley have been recalled to prison.
00:24:31Two of the prime suspects at this moment in time are actually in prison for other offences.
00:24:40So that means the consideration of the threat they pose to the public isn't there for me at that moment in time.
00:24:46A third male suspect has also been arrested and questioned.
00:24:50A third male suspect has also been arrested and questioned.
00:24:54Tell me what you know about Jonathan Hutter.
00:24:56No comment.
00:24:57Have you met him before?
00:24:58No comment.
00:24:59Is it a friend of yours?
00:25:00No comment.
00:25:01Is it a friend of a friend?
00:25:03No comment.
00:25:04OK.
00:25:05Has no previous convictions.
00:25:08He has been found not guilty of a serious assault previously.
00:25:11Has there been some kind of argument?
00:25:13No comment.
00:25:14Has he been hit with something?
00:25:15No comment.
00:25:16Doesn't mean someone's not offended in the past.
00:25:19That can potentially mean either we've been unsuccessful in our investigations or people haven't come forward.
00:25:25So this is Ian Smalley.
00:25:27What can you tell me about him?
00:25:28No comment.
00:25:29And the other chap is Gavin Leaning.
00:25:31What can you tell me about him?
00:25:32No comment.
00:25:33I just want to go home.
00:25:34Yeah.
00:25:35With no new information provided by the third suspect, he's been bailed pending further enquiries.
00:25:43So what my strategy is for this investigation is now building up all that evidence against the individuals.
00:25:51When we are over the threshold for charge, we will arrest those people, bring them back into custody,
00:25:57put the wealth of evidence to them and then hopefully look for a charging decision against them.
00:26:03To build a case against the three suspects, detectives must link them to the crime scene.
00:26:11We're going to the scene of where the incident took place now.
00:26:18We're going to review what the blood looks like, see if we need to get a scientist down to interpret.
00:26:25The way the blood's maybe distributed in the scene can tell you about something that's happened and why the victims died.
00:26:33Are we putting suits on?
00:26:42We'll put one inside.
00:26:43OK.
00:26:44Just looking to see whether there's any forensic opportunities that we can get from here that
00:26:51can put the suspects in the flat and whether there's anything there that we can potentially
00:26:56bring any specialists in to assist us in the investigation.
00:26:58That looks bloody to me.
00:27:06Yeah.
00:27:07That could be footwear marks.
00:27:09So it looks like whatever's happened has probably happened in the lounge and then they've trailed blood out,
00:27:14potentially on the shoes.
00:27:16There's like flicks there.
00:27:18Yeah.
00:27:19He's cast off there as well, isn't he?
00:27:21He's cast off here with his tails.
00:27:23Does that mean he's maybe been in one position assaulted and then he's moved?
00:27:27We're probably better off getting a biologist to comment on that.
00:27:29Yeah.
00:27:30We'll photograph it as best as we can now and then after the post-mortem we might have
00:27:34an idea if there's a recommendation he might have been hit with something or weapons been used.
00:27:38Well, the suggestion is the knuckle dust stuff.
00:27:41Right.
00:27:42Let's get out of the way so we can take some pictures.
00:27:44Right.
00:27:45The left-hand side is a small patch of blood with what it looks like a little bit of cast-off
00:27:57from.
00:27:58Then in the middle of the room is the main one with the cast-off coming across there.
00:28:07And then down the chair there's some blood and then there's some cooling blood on the floor as well.
00:28:17There's a lot of information contained within that front room of the flat.
00:28:22We need to now get a specialist to tell us what it means.
00:28:27The team must also look for other sources of evidence that can support the investigation.
00:28:32When this left door opens, there's a camera in the far right corner.
00:28:36Literally, if someone comes out of the lift...
00:28:38Straight into here.
00:28:39Straight into here.
00:28:40Straight in there.
00:28:41There's some key footage that's going to come from that camera.
00:28:46Hopefully, we've struck lucky and we will see them or somebody getting out and going there.
00:28:51As well as securing CCTV footage...
00:28:59Padster close.
00:29:00I'm presuming that's here.
00:29:02...detectives conduct door-to-door enquiries to explore potential leads.
00:29:07So, are you aware of the incident that happened at Padster House?
00:29:10I'm just aware there was an incident, but I don't know any details.
00:29:15I've heard of somebody who was either seriously injured or killed.
00:29:19Has anybody spoken to you directly from the flats at all that would know?
00:29:23No.
00:29:24Yeah.
00:29:25OK.
00:29:26I mean, I know, you know, I've worked here 30 years.
00:29:28The flats have always been a place where there's been a certain element of drug dealing.
00:29:32Yeah.
00:29:33Unfortunately, the people that we have spoken to, they've been lovely, but they don't know
00:29:38anything about the incident.
00:29:40One of the chaps I spoke to said he'd heard a female screaming on the night, but he presumed
00:29:46that was when the police came and arrested her.
00:29:50Said nothing to do with the actual incident, unfortunately.
00:29:53I don't think you can be disheartened by that.
00:29:56There are a couple of people that can tell us an awful lot.
00:29:59Right, we'll just get suited up.
00:30:02Forensic work is continuing at the crime scene.
00:30:05Marks have been photographed by the CSI.
00:30:08What we'll attempt to do with the chemical treatment is to get more definition.
00:30:14Just be careful on the stepping plates.
00:30:17They're tasked with identifying and enhancing footprints that could be linked to the suspects.
00:30:23Basically, we've got this area here.
00:30:25And then on the way out, it looks, you know, potentially like a heel or a circular pattern.
00:30:30Well, hopefully we can enhance that.
00:30:35The acid chemistry clearly defines the structure and the pattern of the very, very fine particles
00:30:42of blood, which would be potentially on a suspect shoe.
00:30:45Sometimes in an area you think there isn't a mark there, you suddenly get a mark.
00:30:51Oh, yeah.
00:30:52There you go.
00:30:53So that's good enhancement.
00:30:55In fact, there's even a little bit in there as well.
00:30:58Oh, look at that.
00:30:59It's a whole foot.
00:31:00There's clearly at least three types of footwear marks.
00:31:11The block patterns could be medical boots, but there's certainly a possible trainer.
00:31:18There will be a footwear expert who will be able to identify those.
00:31:24With the crime scene work continuing, the team assess progress on the investigation's witnesses.
00:31:32So we'll have this sort of catch-up briefing where we are, any developments that have taken place.
00:31:37If I go across to you, Steph.
00:31:39Lauren Randall, as you know, was interviewed by Simon and Shelley.
00:31:43She gave a full account.
00:31:45A barmaid at the pub, she's confirmed that Gav's girlfriend were in the pub
00:31:52and they came in around 10.45 to 11 o'clock.
00:31:56So that corroborates what Lauren Randall is saying, that a group of them did go to the pub.
00:32:02Excellent.
00:32:04We're sort of, we're bringing together their sort of timeline in relation to those
00:32:08and nailing them down to positions, aren't we, now, so that's good.
00:32:12In her custody interview, Lauren Randall stated Ian Smalley's missing bank card
00:32:18could be a motive for the assault.
00:32:20Eleanor and Emma have been doing a real good job with the house-to-house.
00:32:24Yeah, so we've done all of the flaps.
00:32:27The general thing is that a lot of people in there are saying we keep ourselves to ourselves.
00:32:31They have heard rumours about things that have been going on.
00:32:35Apparently, Gav Leaning told Smalley that it was John that pinched the bank card.
00:32:40Three went in and attacked him with knuckle dusters.
00:32:43I've been in touch with HMP Lincoln.
00:32:46Today, where Smalley is, I've got a definitive list
00:32:49from what property they've got in safe storage for him,
00:32:52that does include a mobile phone.
00:32:55That's really, really good.
00:32:57Just while we're on the subject of prisons,
00:32:59this morning, I got an email leaning.
00:33:01He's coming out in the 17 days' time.
00:33:05Ideally, we don't want him walking out of prison, do we?
00:33:07No, we don't, because then we lose complete control of him
00:33:10and the threats he may pose.
00:33:12Yeah.
00:33:13There's no doubt they'll be going round.
00:33:14He'll go round and speak to people.
00:33:16Have that date as a point to bring them in,
00:33:20to try and nail down undeniable evidence,
00:33:24i.e. CCTV showing them going in and around the flat
00:33:28and then, hopefully, the forensics.
00:33:30Yeah.
00:33:31The other significant event yesterday was obviously
00:33:34the personal item of Mr. Butty, which Sarah went to.
00:33:39In relation to the injuries, he had bilateral black eyes.
00:33:43His nose was broken on arrival at the hospital.
00:33:45The lower left lung was collapsed on admission.
00:33:48The MRI showed lots of small bleeds
00:33:51and there was severe brain injury,
00:33:53most likely due to an assault.
00:33:55He said that those small bleeds would be consistent
00:33:59with an excessive fast, probably from the foot.
00:34:04So, nothing really that we was not expecting.
00:34:07Yeah.
00:34:10So, we've just had the update from the post-mortem.
00:34:14The injuries that the victim received
00:34:17have resulted in a catastrophic brain injury,
00:34:21which has then caused him to die.
00:34:23No comment was made on if the injuries were consistent
00:34:27with a knuckle duster, kicks and punches were mentioned.
00:34:31His brain will have to be sent away,
00:34:34so a specialist in that area can then provide that finding.
00:34:39Hopefully, that's not going to delay a charging decision,
00:34:43because that just means it's longer for the family.
00:34:46With an expected delay on more medical evidence
00:34:49and crime scene forensics yet to be confirmed.
00:34:52So far, only Lauren Roundhill's account
00:34:55places the suspects at the crime scene.
00:35:00The team must now focus on possible digital evidence.
00:35:04My role is an Exhibits and Disclosure Officer.
00:35:07When any investigation happens,
00:35:09we retrieve the exhibits to build up the case.
00:35:12Ian Smalley's phone was seized when he was recalled to prison.
00:35:16The suspect's telephones needs to be sent off for DFU,
00:35:21which is a digital examination of the phone.
00:35:24So this is a key piece of evidence.
00:35:38This will be sent to DFU.
00:35:39And what we will hopefully get back from that
00:35:42is any admissions, telephone conversations
00:35:46and text messages
00:35:47and anything that could link these people towards the crime.
00:35:52At the digital media unit...
00:35:54Oh, get in!
00:35:55..investigators are trawling through hours of CCTV
00:35:59from the block of flats where the attack took place.
00:36:01It's probably got back to about 2.8.
00:36:05Is it time right?
00:36:06No, it's out.
00:36:07OK.
00:36:08Adding to the challenge,
00:36:10the CCTV timing appears inaccurate.
00:36:13It's a work in progress.
00:36:15So he's being small and...
00:36:19..and the guy with the grey hair is dabbing, leaning.
00:36:22Being small and he's really wound up about something.
00:36:25Yeah.
00:36:26We don't know what floor it is.
00:36:28Because it's definitely not cut his floor
00:36:30because that's not his flat.
00:36:31No.
00:36:32When he's small, he's going like that outside.
00:36:34I know.
00:36:35He's clearly doing a kicking motion.
00:36:37And when he comes into the lifts,
00:36:39he's sort of giving it, like, a bit of, like...
00:36:41Yeah.
00:36:42..head, like, movement,
00:36:43like he's been doing something.
00:36:53Could this footage show the three suspects
00:36:55immediately after the attack?
00:36:58This is the first bit I've seen.
00:36:59This is just as far as you've got, isn't it?
00:37:01We have got all the cameras.
00:37:02I just haven't processed them properly yet.
00:37:05Thank you for showing that.
00:37:07Examination of the crucial footage will continue.
00:37:11Progress has jumped.
00:37:12There is a piece of CCTV.
00:37:14Ian Smallley's doing a kicking motion as part of that.
00:37:17Our pathologist has said our victim has been kicked
00:37:22during this assault.
00:37:24So that's really good evidence.
00:37:26We can see Ian Smallley and Gavin Leaning
00:37:30moving around at the same time.
00:37:32So it starts to go towards corroborating the account
00:37:35that's been given to us by Lauren Roundhill.
00:37:37With every day I think we're getting closer,
00:37:41we've still got a journey to go,
00:37:43we've still got lines of inquiry
00:37:45to get more and more evidence against these people.
00:37:48Right, back to the day I feel with it.
00:37:50The aim is to get the justice for Jonathan
00:37:53and we'll continue to do that over the weeks.
00:37:56In Hull, police are investigating the murder
00:38:09of Jonathan Hutty.
00:38:12There's like flicks there.
00:38:14It's cast off there as well.
00:38:15It's cast off here.
00:38:16Does that mean he's been in one position assaulted
00:38:18and then he's moved?
00:38:20Lauren Roundhill, arrested at the scene,
00:38:22has denied she was present during the attack
00:38:25and has named three suspects.
00:38:27Dad ran past me and said,
00:38:29Jimmy's going down and said,
00:38:30I'm a bit awake.
00:38:32But he was late first down on the floor.
00:38:34He was one who stood over him
00:38:36and sat on the three-seater.
00:38:38Tell me what Ian Smallley said.
00:38:40Because it's my bad.
00:38:42Detectives have started to examine CCTV
00:38:46of what they believe are the suspects
00:38:48just after the attack.
00:38:50Being Smallley, he's really wound up,
00:38:52sort of giving it a bit of head movement,
00:38:54like he's been doing something.
00:38:56Now, they must work to corroborate
00:38:58Lauren Roundhill's account.
00:39:00Just need a bit more before we can turn her
00:39:02into a witness, potentially.
00:39:04A bit more proof.
00:39:06I don't want to give you information
00:39:08to get you excited,
00:39:10the caretaker has seen a bank card in a dream.
00:39:13I asked him.
00:39:15Oh, yes.
00:39:16I said, get the FBI down there,
00:39:18and we'll recover it properly.
00:39:20Ian Smallley's bank card
00:39:22has been found right outside the flats
00:39:24where the assault took place.
00:39:26From what we're being told by Lauren Roundhill,
00:39:29the motive is that Ian Smallley's bank card was stolen
00:39:33and that he then puts the blame onto our victim, Jonathan.
00:39:38We found out he reported his bank card stolen
00:39:41and we found his bank card near to the scene
00:39:44where this has happened.
00:39:46It all lines up, doesn't it?
00:39:48Today's a good day.
00:39:50Lovely.
00:39:51As the card is sent off for forensics to examine further,
00:39:55DCI Ben Robinson is heading to meet Jonathan Hutties
00:39:58next of kin.
00:40:00We're off to meet the victim's family.
00:40:02One of the main reasons for me going
00:40:04is to offer my condolences
00:40:06and to explain how the investigation will progress
00:40:09from now onwards.
00:40:10And we had that full focus that this isn't just a job,
00:40:13this isn't just a name.
00:40:15This was a human being who was loved by his family.
00:40:18We knew Jonathan had a drug habit,
00:40:30started early on in life,
00:40:32but he was always in denial.
00:40:36We were always there for support if he needed it,
00:40:39he would never admit to his lifestyle.
00:40:44When we used to go visit Jonathan,
00:40:46if he had friends in his flat, they vacated.
00:40:51It's just a sad affair.
00:40:53Everybody's involved in this mad world of drugs and...
00:40:58I think when you're in that lifestyle,
00:41:00people feed off each other for their habits.
00:41:04The sad thing is, I mean,
00:41:05we've lost Jonathan over something that was trivial.
00:41:09As far as we know, it was over a bank card.
00:41:12It's an end of a life and a lovely person,
00:41:16but I also, at the same time, feel for the families
00:41:20of the people that have been accused.
00:41:22It affects everyone.
00:41:24One of the suspects, Gavin Leaning,
00:41:28lives in the same tower block as the victim,
00:41:30Jonathan Huttie.
00:41:31We're taking a search team to Gavin Leaning's home address,
00:41:35Padstow House.
00:41:37So we know that we've recovered trainers and joggers,
00:41:40similar to what's in the CCTV,
00:41:42but the T-shirt's still outstanding.
00:41:45As well as further clothes,
00:41:47they're also looking for other potential weapons.
00:41:50We recovered the knuckle-duster from Ian Smarley
00:41:53and forensically it's been examined
00:41:55and it's a neutral finding,
00:41:57which basically means they've not found anything to link it
00:42:00to the assault.
00:42:02It might be that it's not the knuckle-duster,
00:42:04so the best outcome from today for the investigation
00:42:07would be to find a knuckle-duster
00:42:09with blood on it in that address.
00:42:11Conducting the inspection
00:42:13is the specialist search team, Operation Kinetic.
00:42:17It kind of matches what we know about the fact that
00:42:33they live a chaotic lifestyle.
00:42:35We've had people kind of squatting homeless people here,
00:42:37so I think it's going to take some time.
00:42:44No, no.
00:42:45The irony of a murder investigation
00:42:48with children's lullabies in the background.
00:42:53When you have drug users,
00:42:54their days are never really the same.
00:42:56They associate it with people
00:42:57who live that same sort of lifestyle.
00:42:59It is an addiction
00:43:00and sadly quite often ends up with somebody losing their life.
00:43:03Close to finishing one room.
00:43:05Yeah.
00:43:07So the markings on the wall are quite interesting
00:43:09because that ties in with a lot of the names
00:43:11that we've got during the investigations.
00:43:13We've also got Gavlinian,
00:43:14Lauren Roundhill
00:43:15and shows they were associated with each other,
00:43:21which ties in with the information we know so far.
00:43:25It's made a little easier knowing
00:43:27that you can quickly feel the weight of an item
00:43:29and know that the knuckle dust is not in there.
00:43:31And likewise, with the clothing,
00:43:34it's quite distinctive.
00:43:35This is all dark patterned
00:43:37where we're looking for something that's white-ish.
00:43:39Are you happy with how we're doing it?
00:43:41Yeah.
00:43:42If you're happy, I'll keep you posted.
00:43:47I think we have to be realistic
00:43:48about what we expected to come from this search.
00:43:51We don't know the true story behind the knuckle duster.
00:43:52We don't know if the one we come with from Smarley
00:43:55was the knuckle duster that was used
00:43:56and it's just been cleaned.
00:43:57And the fact that we did find a knuckle duster,
00:43:59it doesn't take us further,
00:44:00but it doesn't set us back.
00:44:05Sarah King?
00:44:05Hi, Sarah. It's Ben Robinson.
00:44:07DCI Ben Robinson is getting an update
00:44:10on the blood pattern specialist's findings
00:44:13from his crime scene manager.
00:44:14Basically, what she said, the leather armchair,
00:44:18the left arm of that chair is heavily coated in blood.
00:44:20And the blood on the floor,
00:44:22it's got movement in it and then there's a void in it.
00:44:25Right.
00:44:26So he's maybe been slumped in the chair
00:44:27and he's put his hand down into that wet blood
00:44:29which has made that void in the middle.
00:44:31And then he's come to maybe move himself down to bean bag
00:44:35before he's come to be where he is on the floor.
00:44:39So maybe there's been like a first blow that's caused him to bleed
00:44:42and he's sat down in the chair.
00:44:44Yeah, potentially.
00:44:46With a patch of blood in front of the chair,
00:44:48he's probably been laid down on his front
00:44:51with the right side of his face down
00:44:53and that blood's come from the injuries
00:44:55that he's standing on the right side of his face.
00:44:57OK.
00:44:57The job's been made somewhat harder
00:44:59by the fact that so many people have been in
00:45:02while the blood's been wet.
00:45:03The blood near the skirting board,
00:45:04it's very multidirectional.
00:45:06So she can't really say what that tells us.
00:45:09The long cast-off blood that goes up to the table,
00:45:13the only explanation she can come up with
00:45:15is that the paramedics have caused all of that
00:45:17in the course of medical treatment activity transfer.
00:45:21There's a bit of me that's a bit disappointed.
00:45:24Like, we know there's quite a lot of blood in the scene,
00:45:27so we've just got to hope now that some of that
00:45:29has made its way onto the suspect's clothing.
00:45:33Detectives have seized items from both Gavin Leaning
00:45:36and Ian Smalley when they were remanded for other offences
00:45:39and taken the third suspect's clothing when he was interviewed.
00:45:45This is the clothing from Leaning that we've retrieved.
00:45:48Adele Robbins-Glinton is collating the evidence
00:45:52to be forensically tested.
00:45:54These are jogging bottoms.
00:45:56As you can see, these have got markings on them,
00:45:58but we need to establish have they got the victim's blood
00:46:01or any of the victim's bodily fluids on it.
00:46:04These are the shoes that belong to him.
00:46:08It's good when you've got a print like that
00:46:10because if we've got footprints within the scene,
00:46:14then they would take pictures of those
00:46:16and cross-match them with the shoe that you have.
00:46:22These are the smallest shoes
00:46:24and these will be sent off to be tested
00:46:26to see if there's any splatters of blood from the victim.
00:46:29So that's to establish if he was actually wearing these shoes
00:46:32at the time of the incident.
00:46:34And as you can see on here,
00:46:36we actually do have markings.
00:46:39But what we have to establish is, is it bodily fluids?
00:46:42Is it blood?
00:46:43And that's what we need to be sending it off for.
00:46:45So this is from...
00:46:47It's a blue T-shirt
00:46:49and the grey tracksuit bottoms.
00:46:52Unfortunately on these ones,
00:46:54you can't visually see any blood at the moment,
00:46:56so that's why they have to have an in-depth testing done.
00:46:58These are the victim's items
00:47:00that I'm going to be sending off today.
00:47:02We've got his trousers that he had on.
00:47:05We've got his shoes.
00:47:07And these are really key
00:47:08because we can already determine the fact
00:47:10that he's got blood on there.
00:47:12Is it his or is it that he was fighting back
00:47:15and that he's then been able to get the DNA or blood
00:47:18from one of the suspects?
00:47:22We've got every single item of clothing that he had on
00:47:26or was near the actual area as to where he was attacked.
00:47:31If we can find any of the suspects' DNA on there,
00:47:35what is it doing on there and why?
00:47:37This is how we then determine
00:47:39that those people are there.
00:47:41And it isn't just about the CCTV.
00:47:43It isn't just about people having an interview
00:47:45or witnesses coming forward.
00:47:47This is to establish exactly that they were there.
00:47:52There's no disproving that.
00:47:54It's evidence.
00:47:55With the detectives dispatching the shoes and clothes
00:47:59for forensic testing,
00:48:01the focus turns to digital evidence
00:48:03and there's been progress on Ian Smalley's phone.
00:48:06We're looking at specific dates
00:48:08around the time of the incident.
00:48:09There are some messages of interest.
00:48:13He pinched my bank card, took £500 out.
00:48:17He deserved it.
00:48:18So, fuck him, mate.
00:48:19No one does that to me.
00:48:20There's another one that says,
00:48:21I'm in shit, found out who pinched my bank card.
00:48:23Ring me, please.
00:48:24Need to talk to you.
00:48:26And then there's another one that said,
00:48:30he ain't dead, you idiot.
00:48:31I just smashed him, ha.
00:48:33There's also other messages that indicate,
00:48:36why are you blanking me?
00:48:37I need you.
00:48:38I've killed someone.
00:48:39It's key evidence because it's so relevant to the offence,
00:48:45saying that he's killed somebody.
00:48:47So, yeah, it's really important to our investigation,
00:48:49these messages.
00:48:51The phone data provides another level of support.
00:48:54Why would you say I've killed someone
00:48:56if you are not responsible for that?
00:48:58Especially when we've got other witnesses,
00:48:59which will put him stood over our victim, Jonathan.
00:49:04I feel a lot more comfortable about the case that we're building.
00:49:07The next CCTV results will be crucial
00:49:10because they can provide us with so much evidence
00:49:13and so much for the suspects to have to account for.
00:49:17There's a lot of layers to it now,
00:49:19a lot of questions that these people have got to answer.
00:49:32In Hull, the major crime team are investigating
00:49:35the brutal murder of 49-year-old Jonathan Hutte.
00:49:39The MRI showed lots of small bleeds
00:49:42and there was severe brain injury,
00:49:44most likely due to an assault.
00:49:46Lauren Roundell, arrested at the crime scene,
00:49:49maintains she is innocent.
00:49:51So you was not in the flat when he thought he was assaulted?
00:49:53No.
00:49:55To check her account,
00:49:56police have been trawling through hours of CCTV footage.
00:50:00We have got all the cameras,
00:50:01we just haven't got a system yet.
00:50:03It shows suspects Ian Smalley, Gavin Leaning,
00:50:07and a third man in what police believe to be
00:50:10the moments after the attack.
00:50:12Oh, it's small, he's doing a kicking motion.
00:50:15There's even a bit of head movement,
00:50:17like he's been doing something.
00:50:19Detectives have now completed their assembly
00:50:22of the CCTV timeline,
00:50:24allowing them to accurately track
00:50:26the victim and suspect's movements.
00:50:29Cheers, Paul.
00:50:30Hello.
00:50:31I think you've got something for me.
00:50:32Yes, I've trawled through the cameras,
00:50:34looking for the victim and see which is the last time
00:50:37you can actually see him alive and well.
00:50:40So I've got here 2245.
00:50:44He's walking downstairs from the first floor
00:50:47to the ground floor.
00:50:50Camera 16 shows him leaving the front entrance.
00:50:54OK.
00:50:56There's 2248,
00:50:58comes back in through the front entrance.
00:51:00No signs of any injuries.
00:51:01There's no sign of any blood on the clothes,
00:51:04footwear or anything like that.
00:51:05And after this sighting at 2248,
00:51:08that's the last time we see him.
00:51:12That's the last time,
00:51:13I suppose, anyone outside of the group
00:51:15that we know are connected to this
00:51:17will see him alive.
00:51:19For the investigation,
00:51:21it's really important
00:51:22because it can rule out anything
00:51:24that the suspects may say
00:51:25that they were nothing to do with it.
00:51:27He was already injured.
00:51:29We can put a time on when he wasn't.
00:51:31Lauren Roundhill,
00:51:33she's saying he had no injuries
00:51:34when she left him as well.
00:51:36And that matches up,
00:51:37which all helps build the picture.
00:51:40The CCTV timeline
00:51:43has also prompted D.I. Sarah Petro
00:51:46to form a new theory.
00:51:51You know when they was in the lift
00:51:53with the bottle
00:51:54and they were doing the kick-in,
00:51:55that we thought that was after the incident.
00:51:57I think that that conversation in the lift
00:52:01is before the incident.
00:52:03I think they're like egging each other up.
00:52:05So this is 205 on the system time.
00:52:09Real time it is 2.16.26.
00:52:13The actual time and the camera time
00:52:15they're not always the same.
00:52:17So I wonder if this was them discussing
00:52:20what they're going to do.
00:52:22He's obviously like getting himself psyched.
00:52:25Yeah.
00:52:26Lauren's account is that
00:52:27she's gone to go find where they are.
00:52:29And we have a round of them
00:52:30coming down from Hotties.
00:52:34They're trying to call the lift
00:52:35but we know that it's in use by these three.
00:52:38And then it looks like they then
00:52:41take the stairs.
00:52:42The hypothesis was this
00:52:44is they're then on their way
00:52:45to Gav Leaning's flat.
00:52:47Well, it's Gav Leaning in this morning
00:52:49and making their way down
00:52:50to Hotties' flat.
00:52:51So it's just two minutes until we see
00:52:55Gavin Leaning goes back up to his flat.
00:52:57Jonathan Hotties' flat is just opposite.
00:53:00He just looks like he's quite sombre
00:53:04at that moment,
00:53:05like his arms are folded,
00:53:06his body language is quite closed
00:53:07which would tie in
00:53:08if that assault has just taken place.
00:53:13So he gets off
00:53:14and if we believe Lauren Roundhill
00:53:16that's when he says to her
00:53:17what he's just been knocked out.
00:53:18And then what's quite interesting here
00:53:20is that the lift just stays
00:53:21on the first floor
00:53:22so obviously outside Hotties.
00:53:23But when it closes
00:53:24you can see kind of movement
00:53:25if anybody comes in or out
00:53:26in this little window.
00:53:28So there's like a bit of movement
00:53:29that went past there
00:53:30which could tie with Roundhill going.
00:53:32Roundhill's told us
00:53:33that she's gone into the address
00:53:35and she's found Somalian
00:53:47still present
00:53:48and then they leave
00:53:50and you get to go past there.
00:53:52Yeah.
00:53:53Yeah.
00:53:54And then we see Somalian
00:53:55then on the stairwell.
00:53:57And then their movements
00:53:59shown on the CCTV
00:54:00tying on what she said.
00:54:01Yeah.
00:54:03Interesting.
00:54:04Yeah.
00:54:05Because if it is during that time
00:54:08like the timeframe for it to happen
00:54:10is something like a minute and a half
00:54:13which would suggest
00:54:14it's quite like a frenzied attack.
00:54:15You know, just go in, do it.
00:54:18And then the ambulance being called.
00:54:23I feel better that I've got the timeline
00:54:25right in my mind
00:54:27especially around the CCTV footage
00:54:29of them having the discussion in the lift
00:54:31which I now believe to be them planning the attack.
00:54:34If detectives can prove the assault was premeditated
00:54:38it strengthens the case against the suspects.
00:54:42We've got three people in a lift
00:54:44who appear to be agitated.
00:54:46some of the activity in the lift
00:54:47could well be
00:54:48that they're almost
00:54:49rehearsing
00:54:50what they're going to do to our victim
00:54:52when they get into the flat.
00:54:53That puts a different spin on things.
00:54:58All three of them
00:54:59could be looking at a charge for murder
00:55:01because they all knew
00:55:03when they were going down into the flat
00:55:05that there was going to be
00:55:06a violent assault committed.
00:55:08the digital forensics units
00:55:13have concluded their examination
00:55:14of Lauren Roundall's seized phone.
00:55:18Was there anything on her phone?
00:55:20No, hers ends obviously
00:55:23as she gets arrested.
00:55:25OK.
00:55:26There's nothing sort of pre
00:55:28that would suggest any planning?
00:55:30No.
00:55:31So her full account is supported by the phone, data, CCTV?
00:55:36Yeah.
00:55:37And then I know you can't cast
00:55:40any expression to someone's right
00:55:41to have a solicitor or not
00:55:43but the very fact you're arrested for murder
00:55:45and you choose not to have a solicitor
00:55:47I think she 100% uncomfortable now
00:55:52she's going to become a witness.
00:55:55With Lauren Roundall now formally eliminated from inquiries
00:56:00will her next interview boost the case
00:56:03against the three suspects?
00:56:14In Humberside
00:56:15detectives are investigating the murder
00:56:17of 49-year-old Jonathan Hutty.
00:56:20Got his shoes
00:56:21is it that he was fighting back
00:56:23and being able to get the blood
00:56:24from one of the suspects?
00:56:25Three suspects have been identified.
00:56:28I wonder if this was them discussing
00:56:30what they're going to do.
00:56:30Is it in sight?
00:56:32Compelling digital evidence
00:56:34has been found on the phone of Ian Smalley.
00:56:37Why are you blanking me?
00:56:38I need you.
00:56:39I've killed someone.
00:56:41Lauren Roundall arrested at the scene
00:56:44is no longer under suspicion.
00:56:46So her full account is supported by CCTV.
00:56:50I'm comfortable now.
00:56:51She's going to become a witness.
00:56:54Hey.
00:56:55Hey.
00:56:56Lauren Roundall has returned
00:56:58to provide her account in more detail.
00:57:01So, Lauren, you've previously provided an account
00:57:04as a suspect
00:57:05and now you're here voluntarily of your own free will
00:57:07to speak to us as a witness.
00:57:08Yes.
00:57:09So, in relation to Huttie, how do you know him?
00:57:14I know him through drugs.
00:57:15Okay.
00:57:16One of my ex-partners, Ian Showsman,
00:57:19this was about a year ago.
00:57:21And we've just become good friends, you know?
00:57:25Yeah.
00:57:26Like, I took Huttie, I could get along with him.
00:57:28He was really easy to get along with.
00:57:29He was one of the most loveliest people ever.
00:57:31During the day, it was all that Gav's all been.
00:57:36It's been me, Huttie, Gav, Smalley.
00:57:41It's the first time I've ever spent time with Smalley this.
00:57:45I've seen him in the street and I've known of him,
00:57:48but I've never, like, spent time with him.
00:57:51And he was all about his bank card and all his money got took.
00:57:54He was like, Huttie, Huttie, you must know, bro, calm, bro.
00:57:57You must know who's done it.
00:57:59You know, because Huttie, he keeps himself to himself.
00:58:03What was Huttie's response to this conversation?
00:58:05He's like, I don't know, mate.
00:58:06I don't know, mate.
00:58:07Honestly, honestly.
00:58:08Gav has took Smalley outside of Gav's flat,
00:58:13said, Huttie's pinched the bank card.
00:58:16And it was Gav to you?
00:58:18Gav, nothing to me.
00:58:20Like, I just know Gav's no drugs.
00:58:22OK.
00:58:23So during the day you were at...
00:58:25Gav's.
00:58:26Gav's, and then at night time...
00:58:27Me, Huttie, and went down to Huttie's.
00:58:30Yeah.
00:58:31We was smoking crack, obviously.
00:58:34And we had a bottle of wine as well.
00:58:37Me, it was me drinking a while.
00:58:39Like, the atmosphere was brilliant when it was just...
00:58:42It was just us three.
00:58:43Like, we was all having a good heart-to-heart.
00:58:45Like, cos I've always had heart-to-heart to us.
00:58:47But, like, I've always looked at him.
00:58:49Like, I just want to look after him
00:58:51because he struggles with his mental health.
00:58:53And then when they got back from the pub,
00:58:56the atmosphere just completely changed again.
00:58:58I, like, Huttie went real quiet and within hisself.
00:59:01Gav and Smalley, they went up to Gav's flat
00:59:06for some vodka or something like that.
00:59:08Me and my girlfriend went to go find him.
00:59:10So you left Huttie's...
00:59:13Huttie, and he was still there?
00:59:14He was still there on his own.
00:59:15You've gone upstairs?
00:59:16I wish I did stay with him
00:59:17because I would not have allowed
00:59:18anything like that to happen, you know?
00:59:23When I was going to get in the lift
00:59:24to go up into the thingies,
00:59:26the lift was already up on the 12th floor.
00:59:29So I can't bother to work,
00:59:30so I've gone walking up the stairs.
00:59:32So they must have been getting in the lift
00:59:34from Gav's flat from the 12th floor
00:59:37and gone down in the lift, done that with Huttie.
00:59:40So it's all happened within that,
00:59:42me walking up the stairs.
00:59:43When I got onto the 12th floor to Gav's house,
00:59:47the one there,
00:59:48so I've come back out and Gav's run past me.
00:59:51I've not took him out, get him downstairs.
00:59:54I'm like, what the fuck?
00:59:55And I've ran.
00:59:58As I ran him,
00:59:59there's his buttie laid on the floor,
01:00:01face down, full of blood.
01:00:02Smallish stood over him.
01:00:04I sat on the sofa.
01:00:06And I'm like, what the fuck?
01:00:08What's happened?
01:00:09And don't ring an ambulance.
01:00:10They'll be all right.
01:00:11And I said, what?
01:00:12I said, I fucking am ringing an ambulance.
01:00:14I'm going to serve him.
01:00:15Is the patient breathing?
01:00:17He's breathing, yes, but he's...
01:00:19He's taking away.
01:00:20Someone's half like, no, no, no, never.
01:00:23Right, tell me exactly what's happened.
01:00:25I don't know what's happened.
01:00:26I've just literally got here.
01:00:28Can we get you up, please?
01:00:29Please?
01:00:30His breathing was really, really bad.
01:00:33I started doing the chest compressions,
01:00:37which the ambulance has told me to.
01:00:39One, two, three, four.
01:00:41One, two, three, four.
01:00:43That's really good.
01:00:44Keep going at that rate.
01:00:45And he kept repeating that until the services got here.
01:00:50Lauren Randa's testimony just now is absolutely consistent
01:00:53with the first time she was interviewed under caution
01:00:55as a suspect.
01:00:56In terms of making a credible witness,
01:00:58that's really encouraging.
01:00:59Explain to me what your thoughts are about going to court.
01:01:02Well, I've been very...
01:01:03To be honest with you, I'm very, very nervous.
01:01:05People see it as a grass,
01:01:07whereas I see it as justice.
01:01:08I want justice for...
01:01:10He does not deserve it.
01:01:11Nobody deserves anything like that to happen to her.
01:01:13Yeah.
01:01:14For someone who lives within
01:01:16where this offence has taken place,
01:01:18has socialised with the victim,
01:01:21some of our witnesses, the suspects,
01:01:23to step outside of that
01:01:26and say, I want justice for my friend
01:01:28who has been murdered,
01:01:30is incredibly brave.
01:01:31Knowing what the suspects have done to that individual.
01:01:35Yeah, I keep having panic attacks and stuff,
01:01:37like I say, waking up in the middle of the night
01:01:39and having a panic attack and stuff,
01:01:40like, it's scary.
01:01:41I see what he's faced before.
01:01:43I go to sleep every single night.
01:01:45And it's not...
01:01:47It's not nice.
01:01:48It's not a...
01:01:49It's not a very nice feeling at all.
01:01:51Like, and having to give him chest compressions,
01:01:53and I tried my best to save him,
01:01:56and I feel bad that I couldn't.
01:02:01With the event having such a profound impact
01:02:04on Lauren Roundhill,
01:02:05the team initiates a welfare programme.
01:02:08She's obviously clearly a good friend
01:02:09and she's traumatised by it.
01:02:11See where we go.
01:02:12See if we can get her that support.
01:02:14Because she's having flashbacks.
01:02:15Well, we don't want that to, you know,
01:02:18force her to go back in to try and deal with that.
01:02:21As soon as that comes through, we'll get that done.
01:02:23Yep.
01:02:24It's all right.
01:02:25We've now secured her evidence
01:02:27on a visually-recorded interview.
01:02:28So that's a real bonus for the investigation
01:02:30because we managed to secure that prior to any...
01:02:33..of the suspects getting released from custody,
01:02:35with a fear that they might have interfered with her.
01:02:39With evidence mounting,
01:02:40DCI Ben Robinson briefs his boss,
01:02:43Detective Superintendent Alan Curtis.
01:02:47So in relation to the suspects,
01:02:49whereabouts are they at the minute?
01:02:52So Ian Smallley is in prison.
01:02:54Yep.
01:02:55Gavin Leaning is leaving prison soon.
01:02:59And the other suspect is on bail.
01:03:02So against Smallley,
01:03:04we've got text messages from his phone.
01:03:06It says, I've killed someone.
01:03:07We've got Lauren Roundhill,
01:03:11putting him stood over with the victim,
01:03:14on the floor, bleeding.
01:03:16And then we've corroborated movements off CCTV in any case.
01:03:18So really, the forensics is going to be the icing on the cake on that.
01:03:21For him.
01:03:22For him, that comes back or not.
01:03:24So the two that, where it becomes more important, the forensics,
01:03:29is Leaning and the other suspect.
01:03:33According to Lauren Roundhill,
01:03:37he sat on the sofa and she goes in there and he then leaves.
01:03:41And Leaning, he ran past her to his flat saying,
01:03:45I've just hit Huttie.
01:03:46Yeah.
01:03:47So there's just that one admission.
01:03:49Yeah.
01:03:50From him.
01:03:51So that's sort of implicated him as part of this assault.
01:03:54What we do know is our victim goes in uninjured.
01:03:58He never comes out and he's laying on the floor.
01:04:00And then he subsequently dies.
01:04:01And at that point,
01:04:02only these people have gone in and out of the flat.
01:04:05Actually determining who's done what in that flat is a whole different kind of efficiency.
01:04:11That's the forensics.
01:04:12Yeah.
01:04:13All right.
01:04:15I've had a chat with the boss who's pleased with how it was moving forward.
01:04:20We're waiting to build evidence against all the persons that we think are responsible.
01:04:25Part of that is the physical forensic work that's ongoing.
01:04:29If we go half-cocked with bringing them in and we don't have everything,
01:04:32we run the risk of not getting the charges.
01:04:34Then being released.
01:04:36And then the risk to some of the people that have bravely come forward to provide evidence
01:04:41goes up substantially.
01:04:43This is the way we're doing it.
01:04:44This is the right way to do it.
01:04:49Morning, everyone.
01:04:50Six days later, DCI Ben Robinson has gathered the team.
01:04:55What's up?
01:04:56So, just a little update.
01:04:59Lauren Roundhill is dead.
01:05:02I think she took her own life over the weekend.
01:05:05Yeah.
01:05:11Yeah.
01:05:12So, there we are.
01:05:13Apparently, it's connected to what's happened.
01:05:20I think that's what she said in some of the messages.
01:05:22She couldn't cope or something.
01:05:23Yeah, after what had happened with Jonathan and her trying to save him, that she felt
01:05:28that she couldn't cope with what had happened.
01:05:31It's incredibly sad because when I spoke to her, when she gave her evidence downstairs,
01:05:37she was starting to turn her life around, she was two weeks off the drugs and was working
01:05:43hard.
01:05:44But it's just really sad.
01:05:47It's like another victim for the job, really.
01:05:49I don't really know what to say this morning.
01:05:54It's all, it just feels a bit fucking...
01:06:02Yeah.
01:06:04It's awesome.
01:06:08This job is just up and down, up and down.
01:06:11Seems just as we're winning, this happens.
01:06:16The second life wasted.
01:06:18Next time...
01:06:33You're under arrest for murder, okay?
01:06:35What?
01:06:36After a coordinated day of arrests across three counties...
01:06:39Are you taking a piss, man?
01:06:41I don't fuck off, man.
01:06:43...the suspects are brought in for questioning.
01:06:46It's like fucking killed the dead, isn't it?
01:06:48That is bullshit.
01:06:50Do you wish to account for why John's Nottie's blood is on your trainer?
01:07:16Get started, Brophy.
01:07:18Yeah.
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