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00:00podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble. We're back to accompany another irresistible series of
00:05the best show on TV. Joining me each episode to unpick all the treachery from the castle
00:09will be familiar former players, celebrity superfans, and of course the latest murdered
00:14and banished players. Now you know what's coming. Spoiler alert! If you haven't watched
00:19the first episode of Series 4, then head to BBC iPlayer and do that now. Coming up, we
00:25discuss that red cloak twist and who the secret traitor might be. We share our first
00:29impressions of the other traitors, and we unpick the lies and deceit already swirling around the
00:34castle. To do all of this and more, I'm joined by celebrity faithful Lucy Beaumont, Series 3
00:39traitor Mina, Series 2 faithful Molly, and traitor superfan Jack Remington!
00:49Welcome, everyone. So exciting. Thank you for joining me on the first episode of Uncloaked for
00:54Series 4. We are obviously going to be discussing everything that happened in this episode,
00:59but Lucy, first I want to chat to you because you were amazing in the celebrity series.
01:03How did you find watching the first episode of the new civilian series now that you're not in the
01:07castle? At first, I was like, oh God, here we go again. You know, like, when you're like,
01:13there's a set thing, like, oh. And then, I was absolutely hooked by the end of that, I was like,
01:20they have, they've done it again. But you'll want to talk about the twist in a minute,
01:24I'm sure. We'll probably bring it up, I'd imagine.
01:29But that just is taking it to a new level. Totally. Yeah. Total new level. This time
01:34round, there is a secret traitor. Not even the traitors know who they are, and we do not know
01:38who they are as we are watching. So everyone watching now is a faithful, because we need
01:44to work out who this traitor is. Yes.
01:47So you've got a theory I hear, Lucy. When we watched it together, I just had to ask the
01:51group, did they say that the secret traitor was one of that cast? Because it could be
01:57Claire Balding. So you think it's not only a secret traitor, it's someone secret within
02:04the castle. You think Claire Balding is hiding something, maybe in the suit of armour, and
02:08she's going to pop out. Well, I did say, I said publicly online that I think Claire Balding
02:12will come back. Yeah. And then you can imagine how I felt when they said there's a secret
02:18traitor. Yeah. And in the cloak, when it was walking, it did look like Claire Balding's
02:22walk. And I thought, that's why you made me move up, because she's going to sit here.
02:28So you thought, we are going to reveal the identity of the secret traitor in this episode
02:33of Uncloaked, and it's going to be Claire Balding.
02:34Yeah. I'm just so glad they've done this, because you know, you won't know this, but it's
02:40so infuriating when people are like, how did you not know? Yeah. I feel you with that
02:45one. It's time for the public to play this game and realise how hard it is.
02:49What was your instant thought when you saw the twist, Mina?
02:52Can I be honest? Yeah.
02:53I was fuming, because that screams Mina energy down to a T. I want to be in the red cloak.
02:59But then we were saying as well, that they're going to be so anxious, because even for them,
03:04it's not a comfortable, safe situation. They've not got the support of at least two other
03:08traitors when they get to the round table. They're by themselves.
03:11Yeah.
03:11So everybody's going to be feeling anxious now. You know, before it was like, the traitors
03:15have got the upper hand. Traitors have now got to guess about the secret one, but then
03:19the secret one's going to be anxious because they're out there on their own. And obviously
03:23all the faithfuls are anxious anyway. So it's just good telling.
03:26Would you have been angry as a traitor if you found out there's a secret traitor?
03:30You get there, you're like, as a traitor, you think, I want to be picked, I want to be
03:34picked. And then you get picked. And then you find out someone else is running the show.
03:38And you're limited to who you can murder because the secret traitor ultimately gives you the
03:43options.
03:43All the power's gone. All the power's gone in the turret.
03:46Hugo's not a happy boy.
03:48He is not happy.
03:50It's funny though, because they get everything they wanted. Like they've obviously, they've
03:53made it to the show, which is amazing. They've been able to be a traitor, which they
03:57want to do. And now it's like snatched away from them. That power's gone. And I love
04:00it.
04:02I'm happy about the Hugo situation because when he said before that he was a psychopathic
04:06teddy bear, I was like, this is what you want to happen to a psychopathic teddy bear.
04:10Take away all the toys and they go mental.
04:13Yeah. I mean, he had it all planned, didn't he? I've got a hug in my name, but if you get
04:16too close, I'll stab you in the back. And then he became a traitor. You must have been
04:19so happy about it. And then suddenly the rugs pulled.
04:22Do we have any speculative theories so far as to who the secret traitor might be?
04:26We've only had one episode, but has anyone spotted anything?
04:29We thought Amanda would be great. And we also all warmed to Judy. I love my mum, but I
04:35would also happily have Judy as my mum. Yeah.
04:38Love you, mum. So I feel like she'd be a really good person in kind of like a motherly, instinctive
04:43way. And then if she's pulling all the strings behind the scenes, although they are slightly
04:47onto her already. Yeah, this is it.
04:49Did we spot Judy's head turn at the round table?
04:52Not another head turn.
04:52There was a little bit of a Linda moment.
04:55Really?
04:55Yeah, to the word traitors. Yeah.
04:57Oh.
04:58So if Judy is the secret traitor, she's not done a great job of keeping it secret so far.
05:02I really hope the secret traitor gets far, because I just think it's fun.
05:06Yeah.
05:06Like it is fun and it's like added such another layer to the game. Imagine if like Judy's
05:11the first to go and that's it.
05:12I think Jessie could be the secret traitor.
05:14Yeah.
05:14I don't know why. I think when she was speaking on the train, she just really like, I don't
05:19know, I connected with her and I thought she could be a good traitor and she said she wanted
05:22to be a traitor.
05:24Yeah.
05:24They all seem to this year.
05:25Yeah.
05:26Yeah.
05:26I feel like everyone just wants to be conniving. It's great.
05:28That makes it so hard to work out who the secret traitor is, right? Because there's
05:31so many discussions in the gold chats where everyone says they want to be a traitor. You're
05:35like, well, who could it be? Amanda, I thought potentially a good secret traitor. I think a
05:39terrible secret detective because I'm watching Amanda and I'm thinking I'd know you were a
05:43copper as soon as I meet you. Yeah, she's like central casting, like lead in the bill.
05:51I'm surprised they've not done any sort of shots of just her feet walking across the gravel.
05:55Maybe that's the walk she was getting confused with.
05:57Yeah, maybe.
05:58That's who you think Claire is.
06:00Does Claire Boulding walk like a bulletproof?
06:03They have obviously like, a couple of people mentioned Jade looked nervous and then obviously
06:10they showed Jade, but you know, you don't know whether they're just, it's a red herring,
06:14but it would make sense that you're seeing the secret traitor a lot within this episode
06:22and she did, she did look nervous. And being there, you know, you don't look nervous because
06:29it's like a relief, really.
06:32See, I disagree. I feel like I looked nervous.
06:34Oh, did you?
06:34I was nervous. I was petrified.
06:36Oh, really?
06:37Yeah.
06:37In case someone was like, thought you was...
06:39I think I was just out of my depth a little bit, to be honest.
06:42Yeah.
06:42And I think, you know, you've signed yourself up for something to the unknown completely,
06:46really. Like it's, I was probably just nervous in general. You're around loads of new people.
06:52So I don't know if it's fair to say like, that nervousness is just because she's guilty.
06:58Because I was nervous as hell. Like I...
07:00But people obviously didn't pick up on that because obviously, even though you were nervous,
07:04people can still tell that's authentic and it's not for that reason.
07:08And I suppose that it could be like that for Jade. I think maybe people just need to get
07:11to know her a little bit more. Maybe the people that don't know her so well are the ones
07:15kind of picking up on that energy. Whereas if they've had a few chats with her,
07:18they might know she's a bit of a nervous person anyway, or we could be wrong and it's her.
07:22We could, yeah.
07:23Has anyone made any comments so far that you think, oh, they're a bit suspicious?
07:27They're a little bit, you're a bit on edge with them?
07:28I think James needs to be real careful. He is throwing names out left, right and centre.
07:33That point then he was doing.
07:34Yeah, it's...
07:34That was wild.
07:35It just, you need to be under the radar. Like, you do. And as much as you can get excited,
07:41especially when you feel something and like, you're sure it's right.
07:44Just be careful with what she's saying, I think.
07:46I worry about Fiona because of the mission. I think at that early on in the game,
07:53everyone's just holding on to any little thing that happens. And that's like the only thing
07:57that's really happened. And I just think it was an accident. Or is she the secret traitor?
08:01What if she's putting all this on? What if she's not mixing anything up at all?
08:08What if it's like Willy Wonka when he comes out the factory and he's on a walking stick
08:12and then he does a tumble?
08:13Exactly. Exactly. Fiona's going to start doing flips.
08:17Yeah. She's going to do flips in a red cloak.
08:20Now, we know who isn't the secret traitor because of the murder shortlist.
08:24Yes.
08:24We've got James, Nettie and Maz. Do you think there's anyone else, Jack, that we can rule
08:29out of being the secret traitor? Who's 100% faithful, essentially?
08:32It's funny because I feel like I trust Judy, but I literally want her to be the secret
08:38traitor. So my want and my actually thinking it may be a different thing. I want her to
08:43be, but I actually don't think she will be. I think she's faithful and unfortunately is
08:47just sadly on the chopping block at the moment.
08:49Now, we don't know who the secret traitor is, but neither do the traitors themselves.
08:54They were very shocked when Claudia told them. Let's remind ourselves of that.
08:57I just had to pop in because I have a small confession.
09:02Oh, no.
09:04Mm. You are not the only traitors in this castle. At the round table, I picked one other traitor,
09:14the secret traitor.
09:16Oh, my God.
09:18You still have power, but not quite as much.
09:22Hugo was gutted, wasn't he?
09:27I think they all were a bit fuming, to be honest.
09:30I don't blame them.
09:31We also said it makes it even worse for the faithfuls because if you as a faithful end
09:37up directing some attention at one of the traitors, not actually knowing if they're a
09:41traitor or not, you're immediately going to look like the secret traitor to the traitors.
09:46Because obviously the secret traitor knows who the traitors are.
09:48So if you just happen to stumble as a faithful onto the right person and say in one of the
09:53traitors, you, even more than normal, maybe put more of a target on your back.
09:57But just because the traitors are going to want to get rid of you, so the secret traitor's
09:59gone.
10:00So do you think the secret traitor will be looking to knock out fellow traitors at this
10:05point in the game?
10:06Yeah.
10:06I think they're already showing that.
10:08You know, when they found out who the shortlist was, they all looked a bit...
10:15They were like, why have they picked them?
10:18Like, we are...
10:18As if there's like, there's almost an agreement that these were the wrong people you needed
10:22to pick.
10:23And either that's just a fluke or the secret traitor's laying the stall out early of,
10:28I'm not on your side and I'm not going to go with people I think you want to.
10:32As much as I think the secret traitor is against them, I don't necessarily think they're going
10:36to be trying to get rid of them just yet because there's no need.
10:39They're going to just recruit them.
10:40Do you know what I thought was interesting though, to Lucy's point?
10:43How come all three of them were annoyed at the shortlist?
10:47So surely there's something that the traitors have like cottoned on to or, you know, they
10:53would have picked three different names.
10:55So I think, a part of me thinks the secret traitor has done that to maybe like make their
11:01lives a bit harder, the actual traitors, because all three of them were like, why have they
11:05picked these people?
11:06Well, they had a discussion.
11:07They came to a sort of vague idea of who they might want to murder themselves.
11:10And then, obviously, it was completely different.
11:13I don't think there was any malice from the secret traitor picking those particular names.
11:18I just think they have very different ideas at this point.
11:20Because there's so many people, aren't there?
11:21Yeah, true.
11:22So then there's maybe a chance that at some point, the traitors start to work out who
11:28the secret traitor is.
11:29Is that what you mean?
11:30That's such a clever point because they'll throw the heat on to them and they'll be like,
11:35whoa, that's weird.
11:36But then can only mention it at the round table because they can't murder them at night.
11:41Such a clever game.
11:42It's so clever now.
11:43Who's part of this?
11:44It's good this show, isn't it?
11:46Yeah, it's a good show.
11:47I just can't live any more of my life in this headspace though.
11:50It's like, oh God, I've got other things to be doing.
11:54I can't be, I can't believe I've now got to work out who a secret traitor is.
11:59I've had months and months of this.
12:02I'm sorry we made you come on this, Lucy.
12:04Now I'm, can you just tell, who is it?
12:06I don't know, I've got no idea.
12:08Isn't it frustrating?
12:09Yeah, it is.
12:10Mina, if this had happened on your series, how would it have altered your gameplay as a traitor?
12:16I feel like you just go into panic mode because like you guys said, as a traitor, that's
12:21all you want to get picked.
12:22You get picked, I'm with Armani and Linda, fantastic.
12:25And then Claudia tells you, actually, there's somebody else pulling the strings.
12:31I just think you'd have to try and keep everyone on side until you can work out who it is.
12:36Yeah.
12:37It's the only thing that you can do.
12:39But then you don't know who it is.
12:40So then what if you try to spread rumors about them and they're like, okay, I think you know
12:45what you're doing.
12:46Your days are numbered.
12:47I don't know, it's so hard.
12:49I just feel like you'd be so annoyed as a traitor.
12:52I think Hugo actually said it, you want all the control as the traitor.
12:57Yeah.
12:58And actually, with their show, they haven't got all the control because there's this massive
13:03thing that they don't know about.
13:04We should talk about the new cohort of non-secret traitors, the traitors that we know about.
13:09How do we think Hugo's going to be as a traitor?
13:12Mina, what do you reckon?
13:13I think the other two are going to get rid of him.
13:17Yeah.
13:17That's what I think.
13:19I quite like him, to be honest.
13:20But I feel like Rachel and Stephen are synced up on how they want to play this game.
13:25And I think they'll work as a team.
13:27But I think Hugo's got the potential to potentially rub them up the wrong way.
13:31Therefore, they'll be like, you're not helping our plans to win as traitors.
13:37They already have said, haven't they, that they think if anyone's going to sneak out, it's
13:40Hugo out of the three of them.
13:42And Rachel even said she don't trust him.
13:44And I think if you don't trust each other, it's not going to work.
13:52What do we think of Rachel as a traitor so far?
13:55Great.
13:56Good reaction faces to Storm.
13:57Yeah.
13:58Yeah.
13:58I'm enjoying watching her.
13:59I think she's going to go very, very far.
14:03I think she's a bit like you.
14:05She's a shard from the stack.
14:06Yeah.
14:07She seems in control, but in a very calm, measured way.
14:11And Hugo's, I think, relishing playing the part.
14:14Yes.
14:15Like calling Claudia the Queen of Darkness and all of this sort of stuff.
14:18He's just, he's ready for panto.
14:20Yeah.
14:21Yeah.
14:22He'd make a great dame.
14:23Yeah, he would.
14:24He's being very open about his job, being a barrister.
14:28And is that the sort of job that you would have thought, maybe try and keep that secret?
14:31Definitely.
14:31I also think that he's going to really struggle not having all the power.
14:35Yeah.
14:36I think that he's going to, I think he's going to really, really find that hard.
14:39Because he went in there with that mindset.
14:41Yeah.
14:41And now it's flipped.
14:42I think it's flipped his whole game.
14:44Yeah.
14:44And like, I think he's going to really struggle.
14:46Because obviously, once you're a traitor, like the whole thing is people not knowing who you are.
14:51So the fact that there's someone in that group that knows is scary.
14:55And he strikes me as someone who has quite a lot of control and power in his life anyway.
15:01He's scary that, isn't he?
15:02So that's what he's used to.
15:03Yeah.
15:04Yeah.
15:04So to suddenly not have it, I think, is going to mess him up a little bit.
15:07Yeah.
15:08And finally, Stephen, we should talk about Stephen.
15:10Very well dressed.
15:10Best dressed man on the show.
15:12Totally.
15:12Yeah.
15:13Do we think that's going to help him as a traitor?
15:14Yes.
15:14Yes.
15:15People trust fashionable people.
15:17Yes.
15:18Do they?
15:18Yeah, look at Jonathan Ross.
15:20He stayed for ages.
15:21He wasn't fashionable.
15:22Do you not think it was his looks that kept him in?
15:24And I think these lot were like, do you know what?
15:26Let's just see what he's going to wear tomorrow.
15:28So we're not saying he's as fashionable as Stephen, but he was quirky.
15:32I think let's see what Jonathan's wearing tomorrow is different to fashionable.
15:36Okay.
15:37I agree.
15:38There was one thing he was wearing.
15:39I thought it was alive.
15:43He sat next to me and I went, skunk in it.
15:47And he said, no, it's attached to my jacket.
15:51But yeah, Stephen seems very affable as well.
15:53I think people will naturally trust him.
15:55Yeah.
15:56Yeah.
15:56He seems quite like warm.
15:57Very friendly, charming.
15:59I think he's going to probably go the best out of the three.
16:01To describe him?
16:02Wholesome.
16:03Yep.
16:03He is wholesome.
16:04Yep.
16:05I think, like you said, everyone's going to trust him.
16:07Yep.
16:08And therefore, the faithful will doubt that he is a traitor.
16:11But I think Rachel trusts him and I think he's going to have Rachel's back.
16:15So they'll work well together.
16:16Yeah.
16:17Lucy, now, obviously, you and the other faithful in your series struggle to catch traitors
16:22for quite a long time.
16:23Yeah.
16:24What do you think the chances are in this series of the traitors sneaking under the radar
16:27like Alan and Kat did?
16:29I don't think it's going to happen.
16:31I don't think it's going to happen with this.
16:33And I think, adding the secret trait, I think there's going to be a bigger turnover.
16:38I think they're going to get there.
16:40Molly, if you were in there as a faithful, is there anyone that you're suspicious of at
16:44this point?
16:45You're asking the wrong person, are you too honest?
16:48Whoever she says, it's the opposite.
16:49Literally.
16:50Don't listen to me.
16:52Well, is there anyone in there that you'd trust and would be your best friend right
16:55until the end of the game?
16:56Oh, yeah.
16:56Definitely.
16:57All three of the traitors.
16:58To be honest, at this stage, it's so early.
17:03Like, it really is.
17:05You don't know each other yet, which is the hardest thing because like, it's hard to know
17:08if someone's slipping up like we talked about earlier.
17:09You don't know their personality.
17:11So, is that just them or is that them being guilty?
17:15I think once you kind of get to know people, you can pick up on things a lot better.
17:19Yeah.
17:19I say.
17:20But, I say, who would you write down on the first banishment?
17:26Whoever everyone else is writing down, to be honest.
17:28Would you?
17:29Yeah.
17:29That Fiona thing doesn't help, does it?
17:31Like what you were saying about just small little things to go on.
17:34Maybe you'd vote Fiona.
17:35If I was a faithful, that's the only thing that I've got to go off.
17:38Yeah.
17:39That's it.
17:39I'd probably do that.
17:40You sit at the table with pretty much no idea.
17:42Nothing, yeah.
17:43You're obviously just going to take in everyone else's ideas.
17:44Yeah.
17:45And to be quite honest, you're scared yourself of looking dodgy.
17:48So, you're going to literally put kind of what the group's saying.
17:51And also, you need the group to work together to get someone out.
17:53And someone has to go, unfortunately.
17:55So, it kind of makes sense if you have no idea.
17:58Obviously, if you have an inkling, then yeah, it's good to bring it up.
18:00If you have no idea, then go with the group, I say.
18:03So, we've got a whole bunch of new players to get to know over the coming weeks.
18:07So, let's discuss a few of them here.
18:09We've got a lot of people with interesting jobs this series.
18:12We've obviously got a secret barrister.
18:16Someone who is a barrister, but keeping it secret in Harriet.
18:19But we've got Hugo, who is an actual barrister.
18:22Or is he?
18:22Or being, and Hugo is being honest about being a barrister.
18:25Oh, so now you're worried that Hugo is pretending to be a barrister.
18:28He's a lollipop man.
18:29I think he's a Claire Balden impersonator.
18:33I love how this secret traitor thing has made none of you trust anything that we've seen.
18:37Like, I don't believe him.
18:39Okay, well, I think I can tell you that Hugo is genuinely a barrister.
18:43It'd be a rubbish job to choose to lie about otherwise.
18:46Do you think that is going to draw suspicion to him?
18:48Yeah.
18:49Yeah, I think when people have got nothing, you grab onto anything.
18:51So you think it's smarter, the thing that Harriet's doing,
18:56which is concealing being a barrister?
18:57Yeah, or like what Leanne did.
18:58I just think do something that people see as more everyday relatable.
19:02True.
19:03I think makes sense.
19:04And if she can keep it a secret, that is.
19:06Do you know what I mean?
19:06She might slip up.
19:07And I think that's another thing she's got to think about,
19:10is you are lying in some way.
19:12And of course, we have the massive secret relationship.
19:15Judy and Roxy, a mother and daughter.
19:17Yeah.
19:17Let's remind ourselves of when Roxy revealed the secret.
19:20Oh, my gosh.
19:22James is running wild saying Judy is a traitor.
19:26I don't know if she's a traitor or not.
19:28Judy seems lovely, but I'm bound to say that.
19:33Considering she's my mum.
19:36Bloody hell, what my mind's crumbling.
19:39Keeping it secret, just because I think if you come in as a pair,
19:43it's almost like an alliance.
19:45I feel super protective over her.
19:47And hearing anyone, like, cast out on her for her actions
19:52is just generally not quite nice.
19:54So there we are.
19:55I mean, I personally think that Roxy's already doing quite a bad job
19:58of concealing the relationship.
20:00Because there's been conversations where she is talking to Judy
20:03in such a way that only a daughter would talk to their mum.
20:06So going, you're quite loud, aren't you?
20:08It's like, no, you're supposed to have just met.
20:10You've just met me.
20:11You've just met.
20:11You're quite a loud lady, aren't you?
20:12I was thinking, of course, that's your mum.
20:14And also giving her tips, didn't she, in front of people.
20:17It wasn't kind of like pulling her off to the side.
20:19Because I know, like, Ross and Diane had little chats on the side.
20:21Like, Ross said to her at breakfast that morning, like,
20:23Mum, sort yourself out kind of thing, didn't he?
20:26But with this, it was in front of someone.
20:28And she was kind of like, maybe go around to the group,
20:30kind of giving her advice.
20:31Why are you giving another player advice at this point?
20:35It was also with DCI Amanda.
20:37Yeah, because I thought if I was Amanda,
20:41and Amanda's not the secret traitor,
20:43I would have thought, Roxy, are you the traitor?
20:45Because that's quite a weird thing to just say to someone you've met
20:48like 24 hours ago, kind of thing.
20:51Yeah, they're goners, aren't they?
20:52Yeah.
20:54Tomorrow they're going to come into breakfast
20:55and Judy's going to be cutting up Roxy's food for her.
20:58Thanks, Mum.
20:59Here comes the aeroplane.
21:01I didn't like them when they were accusing Judy
21:05because you instantly really like her
21:08and the fact that she's got a daughter
21:09and the job she does and stuff,
21:11you feel quite protective.
21:13I mean, it would be a clever twist
21:15if someone so sweet is a secret.
21:18And also, it would be an interesting twist
21:20because she has a daughter in there.
21:22Yes.
21:22And again, like, I just think the secret traitor
21:24is just so mysterious that it being someone's mum
21:27is well on top of it.
21:28It's like, bam, bam, bam.
21:29I hope it's Judy.
21:31It would be good.
21:32But not if they're going to get her out.
21:34No, no, no.
21:34She needs to stay to the end.
21:36Now, the other major thing that happened
21:38in this episode for me
21:39was Nettie and Ross happened to know each other
21:41outside of the game.
21:42Poor old Ross.
21:43Ross was fuming.
21:44He did not want that bomb dropped, did he?
21:45No, he didn't.
21:45And this, I mean, this appears to be
21:47a genuine, complete coincidence
21:49that they just happened to have met beforehand.
21:51It's a long time ago as well.
21:52It's not like a recent thing.
21:54No.
21:54And Nettie's like, Nettie just runs,
21:56like, oh my God, it's you.
21:58And Ross is like, whoa.
21:58He's like, whoa, no.
22:00Please.
22:01I'm convinced that they're actually like
22:04brother and sister or like they're married
22:06because, I don't know, she was just,
22:09he was like, I think he said to her,
22:11let's pretend we don't know each other
22:12and she wasn't listening.
22:14So then she's just like,
22:16forgot that they're supposed to not know each other
22:18and then she's done that
22:19and now he's like, yeah, we haven't known each other.
22:21We haven't seen her in 10 years
22:22and it's like, you've seen her last night.
22:23So it's just a bit like,
22:24it's just like, yes and.
22:25It's just, right, let's just do whatever.
22:28I think it is genuinely just the coincidence.
22:29Me too.
22:30And she's made the decision in that second.
22:32She's not thought about it
22:33and she said, oh, hello, we know each other.
22:36Whereas he's obviously had that extra thought of going,
22:38this will not help us in the game.
22:40Yeah.
22:40Well, it didn't because they both had their names.
22:43He did.
22:44Did she as well?
22:45She did.
22:46I think everyone's thinking what I'm thinking.
22:48Is there more to this than what they're saying?
22:51Second guessing everything.
22:52Yeah.
22:52I do think if people come to believe Nettie,
22:55then I feel like that that was genuine.
22:58Yeah.
22:59Then maybe they'll believe that she's a faithful
23:01because clearly she's not someone
23:02who's playing any kind of game
23:03or like a poker situation
23:05and has just gone, oh yeah.
23:06And then maybe afterwards they'll be like,
23:07oh, I shouldn't have said that.
23:08Yeah.
23:09But it's therefore trustworthy.
23:11Yeah.
23:12Well, it was a jam-packed episode,
23:14but we can't move on
23:15until we've talked about the massive first mission,
23:18the coffins in the lake.
23:20But it wasn't as simple as it seemed
23:21because true traitors fashion,
23:23there was an extra layer of savagery.
23:25Whoever had a coffin with the gold symbol
23:28put into their grave,
23:29that meant that they were up for murder.
23:32Everyone who didn't have the coffin put in
23:33technically had a shield at that point.
23:35And pretty brutal.
23:37How do we think tactics played into this?
23:39One of the groups said that they were just going
23:41for the first names that they saw,
23:44which I think this early on in the game,
23:47that's probably what you're best doing.
23:48When you start to put people's names down
23:52for basically murder,
23:53it's kind of like you're saying they're a traitor
23:55or you don't trust them
23:56or, and then that's going to cause people to think,
23:59well, why did you pick my name?
24:00I'd be upset if I was a faithful
24:02and my name was one of those 10 names,
24:04I'd be really upset.
24:05Particularly if it was anything other than just at random.
24:07Yeah, yeah.
24:08Whereas if it's random,
24:09then you're like, fair enough,
24:10it's the first name, whatever.
24:11Because they were all claiming random, weren't they?
24:13They were like, just put it in the closest one.
24:15Well, the other team were.
24:15There was a little bit.
24:16That one team said that they had two people
24:18that they thought were maybe traitors,
24:21therefore don't bother wasting it on that.
24:24And then that's poor old Fiona's downfall
24:26when she got the wrong end of the all.
24:27But I'd also be upset if that was me
24:30and they'd just taken away my opportunity to have a shield.
24:33I'd be like...
24:34Agreed.
24:34Yeah.
24:35You're going to remember that as well, aren't you?
24:37It's so difficult to know whether
24:39you should put the coffin in
24:41if you suspect someone of being a traitor
24:42or you should absolutely not put the coffin in.
24:44And even if you do think those things,
24:46nobody wants to stick their neck out so early on.
24:48Yeah.
24:49I think doing the first thing you see
24:51is the easiest thing to do
24:52because there's very little game playing.
24:54I think I'm just at the back of the coffin.
24:55I'm holding on to it.
24:56Totally.
24:56Don't keep it quiet.
24:58Yeah, yeah.
24:58I go, where do you want me to put it?
24:59Yeah.
25:00With the new twist of the secret traitor,
25:03Molly, what do you think people should be looking out for
25:05on the missions in terms of suspicions?
25:08The missions are going to be a good time
25:10for the traitors to look for the secret traitor,
25:12I guess.
25:14But...
25:14Anyone who's just wearing a bit of red, maybe?
25:17A red cloak would do it, wouldn't it, really?
25:19That would help, I think.
25:21Would help me, first of all that.
25:22The thing is, the only person in there
25:24who would, I think, have red trousers
25:25would be Hugo,
25:26and we know he's a traitor already.
25:28I think the thing that people could pick up on
25:32about the secret traitor,
25:33if they're a traitor,
25:34is kind of anyone trying to maybe
25:35throw them under the bus
25:37and kind of give clues,
25:38especially when it gets a bit deeper into the game
25:40and they need to find a traitor
25:42because it does get to that point
25:43where the faithfuls need to find a traitor
25:44because someone needs to go.
25:47Yeah.
25:47So I think when it gets to that point
25:49and they're doing missions
25:50or even just day-to-day,
25:52seeing who's trying to throw you under the bus
25:54maybe might be a good way to pick them out.
25:56And obviously, we're narrowing it down now
25:58with who they can murder and things like that.
26:01But yeah, maybe something like that could help them.
26:03So who do we think is going to be
26:05the first murdered player?
26:07Obviously, the traitors are working
26:08from the shortlist of James, Nettie and Maz.
26:12So it's going to be one of those three.
26:14Oh, not Maz.
26:15No, not Maz.
26:16Maz is a sweetheart, isn't he?
26:17He is.
26:18But I don't think it'll be James
26:19because I think he's been too vocal so far.
26:22Yeah.
26:22Therefore, the traitors could do with keeping him in
26:24because he's going to be one of the hot suspects.
26:26So I feel like maybe Nettie
26:28considering the connection to Ross.
26:31But then do you not think there's suspicion on Nettie
26:33because of that connection?
26:34Right, so then Maz.
26:35I fear that it's going to be Maz.
26:38And I don't want it to be.
26:39He needs to practice his Cobra mark.
26:41Yeah.
26:43He wasn't quite there with it.
26:44No.
26:45And he's not going to have time.
26:46No.
26:47Yeah, I think because James has been throwing out accusations.
26:51Yeah.
26:51So the traitors would be silly to get rid of him
26:53because he will get himself banished.
26:55Yeah.
26:55That's what I think.
26:57Nettie is potentially looking shifty with the Ross connection.
27:01And then that leaves Maz.
27:02I don't want Maz to go.
27:04And I'll be devastated if it is him.
27:06Isn't it funny how you instantly, like,
27:08some people are just, you know,
27:09not that they're not all kind,
27:11but some people just radiate really kind face.
27:13There's a lot of very warm players this time.
27:17Yeah.
27:17I think Maz and Ross as well
27:20just really come through the screen.
27:22Yeah, definitely.
27:23I sort of love them already.
27:24When Maz said he had five kids,
27:25we all went, oh.
27:26Yeah, we did.
27:27Nice guys finish last, they say.
27:29Oh, no.
27:30I hope not.
27:32Well, we've run out of time here,
27:33but if you can't get enough,
27:35the chat will continue on BBC Sounds.
27:37We're going to discuss what jobs and life experience
27:40make for the best traitors and faithful.
27:42Plus, I'll be getting predictions
27:43from Lucy, Mina, Molly and Jack
27:45on whether they think the traitors or the faithful
27:47are going to win this series.
27:49It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked
27:51in your BBC Sounds app right now.
27:53Find that in your app store
27:54or you can scan the QR code on screen.
27:57We'll be back again after episode two of The Traitors
28:00and this time on BBC One for the rest of the series.
28:04We'll have the first murdered player
28:05and if anyone's banished, they'll be here too.
28:07Plus, some special guests including Joe Marler
28:10to unpack everything from the first few days at the castle.
28:13A massive thanks to Lucy, Mina, Molly and Jack
28:15for joining me and thanks to you for watching as well.
28:18I'm Ed Gamble.
28:19Stay faithful.
28:23Don't know about you.
28:24I'm loving it already.
28:26Unconventional and unpredictable faithful hundi,
28:28Joe Marler will see you now.
28:30You can listen to that on BBC Sounds.
28:32And fast-paced, dangerous and glamorous,
28:35the new series of The Night Manager.
28:36Press red and leap into the opening episode.
28:39That's on iPlayer.
28:39The Night Manager.
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