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00:00Hey everybody! Hello!
00:02Good evening!
00:04Welcome to the show!
00:06It's New Year's Eve!
00:10Yes, it is!
00:12Oh, fantastic!
00:14Who doesn't love New Year's Eve?
00:16I mean, there's music, dancing, hugging your work colleagues.
00:20When has that ever gone wrong?
00:22Hey, what a year 2025 has been.
00:32Donald Trump came to the UK for a second state visit.
00:35He was hosted by the King and Queen,
00:37who were more than happy to be seen with him,
00:39although Melania less pleased.
00:42I'm not here. I'm just a lamp.
00:45Shut away, Your Majesty. Just ignore me.
00:49No, still not here.
00:52Actually, there's a security reason why Melania always wears a hat.
00:56A nice wide brim can literally save her from a fate worse than death.
01:05This was also the year that Katy Perry went into space.
01:08She became the first celebrity to get weightless without using Munjaro.
01:13There's Katy holding a daisy.
01:16It's a reference to one of her favourite songs
01:18and probably better than her first choice, Firework.
01:22Katy was in an all-female crew of six amateur first-time astronauts.
01:27Here she is thinking, hmm, I wonder if we'll all keep it together
01:31and stay calm and professional.
01:33And also this year there were some high-profile job announcements that upset a lot of people.
01:46Gary Lineker left Match of the Day.
01:48Tess and Claudia left Strictly.
01:50And Rachel Reeves stayed on as Chancellor.
01:52I wonder if that joke will age well.
01:56Still there, Rachel.
01:59But a great end to the year on TV as Celebrity Traitors became one of the most watched programmes of the year.
02:09Yes!
02:12Finally!
02:13Mass murder was funny.
02:16Celebrities were killed in surprising ways.
02:18Touched on the face, on the receiving end of a Shakespeare quote,
02:21and some were nearly gassed to death.
02:24Yes!
02:25Yes!
02:26A national treasure of breaking wind was the highlight of the year.
02:29And I think that tells you everything you need to know about 2025.
02:33Hey!
02:34Listen, we've got a big line-up for you tonight.
02:36Look who's singing for us later performing the classic dance track
02:39Where Love Lives.
02:40It's the fabulous Alison Limerick!
02:42Not yet!
02:45Save it!
02:47Save it!
02:48Save it!
02:49We'll hear it later.
02:50We'll hear it later.
02:51And we'll be joined by triple Oscar nominee,
02:54Carey Mulligan, comedian Tim Key,
02:56and the young star of this year's smash hit drama, Adolescence,
02:59Owen Cooper, will be here.
03:02But first, he's not just a great Shakespearean actor.
03:06He's also our favourite Norse god Loki,
03:08and now he's back with a new series of The Night Manager.
03:12It's Tom Hiddleston!
03:19Hello!
03:20Have a good evening!
03:21Have a good evening!
03:22Have a good evening!
03:23Tom Hiddleston!
03:24Hello!
03:25Thank you!
03:27And with the two stars of the comedy drama,
03:30Is This Thing On?
03:32He made us laugh in 30 Rock and Arrested Development,
03:34and co-hosts the hit podcast Smartness.
03:37And she is the Oscar-winning star of films like
03:40Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart, and Jurassic Park,
03:43as well as the hit TV show, Big Little Lies.
03:46Please welcome Will Arnett and Laura Dern!
03:50Here they are!
03:52Hello!
03:53Hello!
03:54Hello!
03:55Happy New Year!
03:56Happy New Year!
03:57Happy New Year!
03:58Happy New Year!
03:59Happy New Year!
04:00Happy New Year!
04:01Hello, Laura Dern!
04:02Yeah!
04:03Happy New Year!
04:04Happy New Year!
04:05Happy New Year!
04:06Happy New Year!
04:07Happy New Year!
04:08Happy New Year!
04:09Yeah!
04:10They're on message!
04:11I like you!
04:12You've scrubbed up for the occasion!
04:13Well done, everybody!
04:14I like it!
04:15I like it!
04:16So, welcome all!
04:17You've been here many times, Tom!
04:19How many times has it been?
04:20A lot!
04:21OK!
04:22That's too many!
04:23Always a welcome!
04:24Thank you very much!
04:25First time welcome to Laura and Will!
04:26Yeah!
04:27Yes!
04:28I know!
04:29Thank you!
04:30Thank you guys!
04:31Thank you!
04:32Tom lives here on this house!
04:34I live on this house!
04:35Actually, have either of you met Tom before?
04:37No, but he said not to make eye contact with you!
04:39Is that real?
04:42Well, you can!
04:43OK!
04:45And Laura, here's the thing!
04:46We've got to mention Jurassic Park!
04:48Because everyone loves Jurassic Park!
04:49Yes!
04:50And I suppose what's interesting about Jurassic Park is it was the first of those big CGI
04:59films where we believed those things were real.
05:02Did you assume it was going to be awful?
05:05Well, the very first day we had high hopes and then we were standing in a line, it's the
05:13scene where myself, Jeff Goldblum, Sam Neill and the extraordinary Sir Richard Attenborough
05:19are in a line and we hear something in the distance.
05:23And it gives us all hopefully this hint that maybe this isn't going to go as well as we
05:28had hoped.
05:29Yeah.
05:30And nothing happened because there was nothing there.
05:33Sorry, spoiler.
05:36And so everybody was looking in different directions and there was no queue.
05:40And on cut, Sir Richard Attenborough said, Stephen, my dear boy, we have to have something
05:46to focus on or look at so at least we're in sync.
05:50He said, oh my God, of course, don't worry.
05:53Action.
05:54We're waiting, we're listening, it's getting very dramatic.
05:57And suddenly through a megaphone about two inches behind us, Stephen goes, Roar!
06:04Roar!
06:05That was the moment I remember looking in Sir Richard's eyes and going, oh, this is actually
06:11going to be horrible.
06:13But it turned out.
06:16Tommy Little's a super fan.
06:18Oh, yes.
06:19I am.
06:20I never forget watching Jurassic Park for the first time.
06:22I begged my parents to take me to the Odeon.
06:25I can't remember what the certificate was in the UK, but I was probably a little bit too
06:28young.
06:29Take that, Laura.
06:30LAUGHTER
06:31Wow.
06:32Wow.
06:33I mean, I was a child when I made her also.
06:35I wasn't even born yet.
06:37And talking of iconic films, people may not know this, Will Arnett, you are Batman.
06:45Ah, yes.
06:46You are the one.
06:47I had even forgotten.
06:49Yeah.
06:50Yeah.
06:51Well, Lego Batman.
06:52Yeah.
06:53He is Lego Batman.
06:55He is Lego Batman.
06:56Yeah.
06:57Yeah.
06:58Yeah.
06:59I say Lego Batman is a very significant Batman.
07:03A major Batman.
07:05I was quite tired that day.
07:07LAUGHTER
07:08You look slightly bent over here.
07:10Yeah, I just remember it was a long night.
07:12Anyway, yes.
07:13Yeah.
07:14Your hands are cramping.
07:15Yeah.
07:16LAUGHTER
07:17It's your voice.
07:18It's deeper than your voice.
07:19Oh, yeah.
07:20He's here.
07:21LAUGHTER
07:22APPLAUSE
07:23You pimp me into a party trick.
07:28I know.
07:29I know.
07:30No, because voices, though, they were your bread and butter for years.
07:33For years, yeah.
07:34I did a lot of voice work over the years.
07:37I've sold a lot of products over the years.
07:40I used to do, back in the day, I would do what they call promos in America for the network.
07:45So you have all these big networks.
07:46Yeah.
07:47CBS, NBC.
07:48And I used to do for CBS for a while.
07:50I was kind of their promo guy.
07:52And it was absurd.
07:53And you'd have to make these crazy changes like it would be...
07:56I'd go, uh, tonight, on a touch by an angel you can't believe.
08:02Then, on an all-new Raymond!
08:04LAUGHTER
08:06I just had a realisation.
08:08You're the trailer voice.
08:09I'm not the trailer voice.
08:10There are a lot of guys who have done it.
08:12I'm not the trailer...
08:13Well, you're one of the guys who...
08:14That was a pretty good trailer voice, right?
08:16Yeah!
08:17LAUGHTER
08:18Can you just say...
08:19Can you just say...
08:20In a world where dinosaurs no longer exist?
08:24In a world where dinosaurs no longer exist.
08:29LAUGHTER
08:30Oh, there's more, there's more.
08:31In a land before time.
08:32In a land before time.
08:34Ready?
08:35This summer.
08:37LAUGHTER
08:40Very good.
08:41Hey, listen, you must get on.
08:43We've got to talk about our first film tonight.
08:45Laura and Will play a married couple in crisis in the new comedy drama
08:49Is This Thing On?
08:51It's out on the 30th of January.
08:53And here's just a taste from the trailer.
08:59So, this is Tess and Alex.
09:03So, tell us about Tess and Alex.
09:05Who are they?
09:06Where do we find them?
09:07Well, we find them at a real crossroads.
09:10And these are two people who've stopped communicating with each other
09:15and their marriage is falling apart.
09:18And Alex stumbles into stand-up comedy sort of unwittingly.
09:24And they sort of have to try to find their way back to each other a little bit.
09:30Yeah.
09:31And tell us about Tess.
09:32And Tess, you know, within this 27-year partnership has lost sight of herself, lost sight of her original passions and has to kind of rediscover her own path, just like he's in discovery mode, in order to find her way back to herself and maybe a marriage.
09:54And, you know, I fell in love with the script, which Will and Mark Chappell wrote and then Bradley Cooper came on board to work with them on the script and also direct the film.
10:08But you really have the origin story of what inspired this idea.
10:14Yeah.
10:15I came across an old friend of, I think of the show and some of you know a long time, John Bishop.
10:20Maybe a lot of you are familiar with John.
10:21The great, yeah.
10:22The great John Bishop.
10:23The great John Bishop.
10:24There we are.
10:25So I happened to meet John.
10:28I had occasion and through a mutual friend.
10:31And John told me the story of how he became a stand-up comedian.
10:34And I was just really taken with the story.
10:36And when he was talking about what it did for him and how, where it came to him in his life when his marriage was falling apart.
10:42And so I asked him if I could write a movie based on his life, which is kind of a daunting thing to ask somebody.
10:48Yeah.
10:49You know, do you mind if we, you know, like, do you mind if I make a movie about your life?
10:54It's a weird thing to be asked.
10:56And, but he's been great throughout and that was really the genesis of it, yeah.
11:01And stand-up on film, it's always a difficult, really difficult thing to do.
11:05But you film this in real stand-up clubs.
11:08Yeah, it's, historically stand-up films have been really tough, especially a lot of comics kind of cringe at it.
11:15And so we had to be really careful about how we approached it.
11:19This is a guy who's never done stand-up before and I've spent a lot of time in and around.
11:22I've been comedy adjacent, I like to say, for a lot of my life.
11:25But I've never done stand-up.
11:27So I started going to the Comedy Cellar in New York when we were in prep for about six weeks.
11:32I'd go up every night for, you know, three times a night and then during the day write all the stand-up that we were using.
11:37And I'd get introduced by my character name as Alex Novak at the Comedy Cellar.
11:42Wow.
11:43Yeah, which was interesting because a lot of people thought I was, you know, having some kind of psychotic break.
11:50They're going like, that's Will, I'm in.
11:52Yeah, someday.
11:53Especially when I say, you know, I'm getting a divorce, they're like, again, Will?
11:57Googling me in real time.
11:59Who is it?
12:00I didn't even know he got married again, you know.
12:02Did you go to see Will do the stand-up?
12:04I did, several times.
12:06It was extraordinary.
12:07But, like, I think doing stand-up, because at least if you're doing it, it's happening to you.
12:12I think watching someone you know do it is so much worse.
12:16Well, and also in this case, it's the undoing of the performative.
12:23Because he had to be someone standing up for the first time who wasn't skilled at it.
12:28And he was throwing himself out there so bravely to be a guy who was finding his voice,
12:35finding language for what he was going through in his marriage more than being, you know, a joke master.
12:40Graham, you know, I mean, you've done stand-up, so you know what it's like.
12:43And if anybody else has done stand-up here, but you know what it's like when you go up there.
12:47And as a performer, your instinct is, I'm going to get the room somehow or some way.
12:53I'm going to try to tell a joke no matter what it is or do a thing or connect.
12:56And really, there was a great moment, basically the first time I went up to the Comedy Cellar
13:01where I was about to go up and they were introducing me as Alex Novak.
13:03And Bradley stopped me and he said, we're doing something different.
13:06Meaning, you've got to go and be this guy, you can't try to win this, you've never done this before.
13:12And so that was a really narrow target to hit, to just, yeah.
13:16And it goes against every grain of your body.
13:20A hundred percent, yeah, because all I want is for people to like me.
13:25We're all a vortex of need, Will.
13:28Because, Laura, here's the amazing thing.
13:30You have been in this industry for a long, like, were you seven when you started?
13:35I was seven as an extra and eleven on my first film professionally.
13:41Wow.
13:42And you do come from this acting family, both your parents, very successful actors.
13:46And when did you figure out that your parents were famous?
13:50Well, I had no idea about fame.
13:54I knew their job was creating characters.
13:58And I, at a young age, remember them, you know, putting on costumes and kind of creating these new sort of personalities.
14:06But I didn't really understand it.
14:07And then when I was five or six, I was home from school.
14:13And my grandma and I were there, you know, kind of looking through to find a movie.
14:20And the image that I saw was a black and white image of a classic film.
14:26And Betty Davis is standing at the top of a staircase in a film called Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte.
14:32And she's holding a hat box.
14:34And it opens and a head rolls to the bottom of the stairs.
14:39And in close-up, you see, it was my dad's head.
14:43Oh, wow.
14:44And I started screaming.
14:46And my grandmother...
14:47Don't worry, guys.
14:48I get therapy.
14:51But my grandma had to call my father.
14:54It was like, yeah, kid, my head's still on.
14:56We're all good.
14:57And I was like, oh.
14:58But it was, yeah, somewhat traumatic.
15:00And for some reason, I then wanted to be an actor.
15:03I'm not sure why.
15:04And that was your dad, Bruce Dern.
15:05Yes.
15:06And I'm so sorry, your mom, Diane Ladd, you lost her earlier this year.
15:09Yes.
15:10But a beautiful thing, I think, you won an Oscar in 2020 for Marriage Story.
15:15But 1992, you have a special bit of film history.
15:20Yes.
15:21My mother and I were both nominated.
15:24I think it's the first mother and daughter ever nominated for a film
15:29or nominated for Oscars and it was for the same film, a film called
15:32Rambling Rose.
15:33Wow.
15:34And there you are at the Oscars.
15:40So, you're in this acting family and you build your career.
15:43Will you...
15:45Are not.
15:46Well, you're not.
15:47And also, I like that your dad, not from show business,
15:50it sounds like he was not that impressed by what's happened to you.
15:55No.
15:56Well, I'm Canadian.
15:59So, you know, the...
16:01Well, anyway.
16:03I was going to go on a rant about Canadians.
16:05I don't know if it's a safe space.
16:07And so, I think that they were always kind of like,
16:11yeah, good for you, Willie.
16:12That's fine.
16:13And then, finally, one day he came out to California,
16:16he came to my house and he looked around and he said,
16:17wow, Willie, this is pretty nice.
16:19I said, turns out goofing off really pays off.
16:22So, yeah.
16:23Tell us about your dad at the Canada Walk of Fame.
16:27I didn't know this existed.
16:29Well, neither did I.
16:33Is it very long, the Walk of Fame?
16:35Um, it's done.
16:37It's me and Martin Short and Mike Myers.
16:39OK.
16:40That's not true.
16:41That's not true.
16:42God forbid somebody clips that.
16:45You know how the internet works?
16:46It was a joke.
16:49God.
16:50It's endless.
16:51Your show gets clipped a lot, Graham, by the way.
16:52It does, yeah.
16:53In America.
16:54Oh, OK.
16:55Yeah, it's very popular.
16:56It's very successful.
16:57It's very successful.
16:58I'm loving this show so far.
17:00Yeah.
17:02Don't encourage it.
17:03Anyway.
17:04You're at the Canada Walk of Fame.
17:07You're at the Canada Walk of Fame and we were watching,
17:09there was a very famous Canadian hockey player by the name of
17:12Marc Messier and he was being also awarded that year.
17:17What a night.
17:18Yeah.
17:19It was a big night.
17:20I know.
17:21He is.
17:22He's a big...
17:24You don't want to get on the wrong side of Marc Messier.
17:26No.
17:27Is he like the David Beckham of hockey?
17:29Sort of.
17:30He played with Wayne Gretzky.
17:31Do you know who that is?
17:32You really don't.
17:33No.
17:34OK.
17:36Why would I know that?
17:37I don't know.
17:39So anyway, so he's being...
17:42And Marc's sister presented him the award.
17:45She...
17:46And she did give this lovely speech and Marc's standing there
17:49and she's giving this lovely...
17:50And my dad's sitting in front of me as we're watching.
17:52We're...
17:53I'm about to go up next.
17:54And he's...
17:55I've asked him to intro me.
17:57Right.
17:58And my dad's watching and he turns around and he says...
18:00And then Marc comes up and his sister hugs him
18:03in a beautiful embrace of the thing.
18:05My dad says, by the way, you don't have to hug me
18:07when you're up there.
18:08And I said, OK.
18:09Thanks, man.
18:10So I went up there and then I...
18:11My dad gave the speech and then I said, by the way, my dad
18:14asked me not to hug him.
18:15There he is.
18:16Oh, there you are.
18:17Look at him.
18:18Wow.
18:19I've got to say, the Walk of Fame is more impressive than I
18:21thought it would be.
18:22It is.
18:23It's pretty good.
18:24Yeah.
18:25Pretty good.
18:26That is impressive.
18:27Yeah.
18:28And Tom, your dad, he not...
18:29Also not keen on you becoming an actor.
18:30Initially.
18:31Initially.
18:32He was just a bit worried.
18:33You know, he was...
18:34He was kind of...
18:35He didn't have...
18:36He didn't know anyone who was in show business.
18:38And he was worried that I would be kind of adrift in the wind
18:42and just have nothing to do with it.
18:44And he was worried that I would be kind of adrift in the wind
18:46and just have nothing to do with it.
18:48And he was worried that I would be kind of adrift in the wind
18:51and have nothing to do, basically.
18:54But he was...
18:55You know, it's so kind of a piece of history now
18:58because I remember when he saw something I did really early
19:02in my kind of young working life.
19:04It was a film called The Gathering Storm.
19:06And it was about Winston Churchill and his wife, Clemmie.
19:10And Albert Finney played Winston Churchill.
19:12And Clemmie was played by Vanessa Redgrave.
19:15Wow.
19:16And I played their son, Randolph.
19:18Oh, there you are.
19:19Which was a kind of, like, slightly nerve-wracking experience
19:22because I revered them both.
19:23But I always tried to calm myself down in my trailer by saying,
19:26a son is not nervous of talking to his parents.
19:29So go out there and do the thing.
19:31And anyway, it came out and my dad, who was born in 1939,
19:36and is a war baby.
19:38He called me and he couldn't speak.
19:40He was in floods of tears.
19:42And he said, I'm so proud of you.
19:45And I had no idea.
19:47And from that day to this, he's just been the most supportive and most...
19:50He's been my great cheerleader.
19:52What a gorgeous, gorgeous story.
19:54That's beautiful, Tom.
19:55Thank you so much.
19:56And...
19:57Can you also...
19:58Congratulations, Tom.
20:01Must be nice.
20:04Any other great stuff that your dad did for you?
20:07Let's hug him because his father...
20:09Yeah, I will.
20:10Come on.
20:11Come on.
20:12There we go.
20:13There we go.
20:14Beautiful.
20:15By the way, my dad, I know, gets a lot of free lunches being Loki's dad.
20:20He's like, I'm Loki's dad.
20:21And they go, oh, of course.
20:22Well, you missed, you know, have some more.
20:24Well, your dad, along with the rest of the nation,
20:26will be delighted because Tom Hiddleston is back as the night manager.
20:31Yay!
20:32Finally!
20:33Unbelievable, it's been ten years, but the wait is over.
20:37The second series kicks off tomorrow, January 1st, on BBC One and iPlayer.
20:42And to get us in the mood, here is the very start of the new series.
20:47Ooh, what's going on?
20:48Ooh!
20:53It's so good, Tom.
20:54It's great.
20:55It's great down and back.
20:56So, people are going to see that within the first few seconds of the show tomorrow.
20:59That's the opening of the show.
21:00So, it wasn't quite clear, but...
21:02So, tell us who the body is.
21:03The body is Richard Roper, played by...
21:06Which is Hugh Laurie.
21:07Played by the great Hugh Laurie.
21:08Yeah, so...
21:09He dead.
21:11He...
21:12See what you see.
21:14And Olivia Colman's back.
21:16Yeah.
21:17So, tell us, ten years have passed.
21:18Jonathan Pine, what's he doing now?
21:20So, yeah, it's been ten years.
21:21Ten years in the real world since we made the show, the first series.
21:25And in our story, ten years have passed.
21:28Ten years later, we're ten years older.
21:30A few more scars on the inside, more scars on the outside.
21:34And Pine is living another life.
21:38Jonathan Pine, my character, he's still working for the Security and Intelligence Services.
21:43He's still in MI6.
21:44But he is living under another name, another identity.
21:48His name is Alex Goodwin.
21:50And Alex Goodwin, it runs an operation, a surveillance operation called the Night Owls.
21:56And they essentially keep tabs on luxury London hotels and casinos and any bad apples and bad people that might be passing through who would be of interest to the intelligence community.
22:07So, he's still managing the night in some respects.
22:13But the curious thing about where we find him is that Pine, Jonathan Pine as an identity has been erased from the record.
22:21And at the end of that first series, he delivered Richard Roper to his captors.
22:26And the old dragon has been slain.
22:29And while he's working in this surveillance operation in London, a scent of familiar dragon smoke kind of glides into the valley.
22:40And he cannot help but chase it down.
22:43So, the old dragon slayer in Jonathan Pine is reactivated and he's back.
22:48So, you're back as the night manager now.
22:49And are you ready?
22:50Because I think, I've spoken to you before, that this role, the night manager, has got you more attention than anything else you've done.
22:58People love this show.
22:59People do.
23:00Yeah, it's a strange thing.
23:01I'm sure you both have the same thing where people stop you in the street and they want to talk about Jurassic Park or Lego Batman or Arrested Development.
23:09Everyone wants to talk to me about Jurassic Park.
23:11Sorry, I got it wrong.
23:12It's crazy.
23:13But actually, there was one moment where I think we announced we were going to do another series.
23:20And it kind of did the rounds and everyone, you know, people would stop me and say, oh, my God, I saw the headline.
23:25You're going to do the night manager again.
23:27We're so excited.
23:28And there was a run of a couple of days where almost every shop I went into, it was a great excitement about the night manager.
23:34I went in on a Sunday morning to buy some ingredients for a Sunday roast and a woman came up to me and said, are you the night manager? Are you the manager?
23:41And I was like, well, yeah, but not really here now because, you know, I'm sort of buying my food for my family and I think maybe let's just sort of...
23:49He said, are you the manager?
23:51You've run out of potatoes.
23:52I was like, I'm not that manager.
23:57But it was a humbling moment of believing I had been recognised.
24:02Yeah.
24:03And in fact, this poor woman just wanted her potatoes.
24:06A reminder that Tom will be back on duty as the night manager on BBC One tomorrow and is this thing on Openton Cinemas from the 30th of January.
24:14OK.
24:15Now, my next guest co-starred in this year's The Ballad of Wallis Island, which no less than a judge than Richard Curtis has described as one of the greatest British films of all time.
24:31Please welcome writer and comedian Tim Key and triple Oscar nominee Kerry Mulligan.
24:36Here they are.
24:39Why, hello.
24:42Hi.
24:43Hi.
24:44Hi.
24:45Hi, darling.
24:46Happy to see you.
24:47Happy to see you.
24:48Happy to see you.
24:49Happy to see you.
24:50Happy to see you.
24:51Happy to see you.
24:52Happy to see you.
24:53But I like it.
24:57So very nice to see you.
24:59Welcome back Kerry.
25:00First time welcome to Tim.
25:01It's fantastic to be here.
25:02Happy New Year.
25:03Happy New Year.
25:04What a new year.
25:05Well done.
25:06Well briefed.
25:07Yeah.
25:08Now there are some connections on the couch because Kerry, I know I heard you on Will's podcast
25:12Smart List.
25:13Yep.
25:14Yep.
25:15I met Will before that.
25:16Yep.
25:17At Bradley Cooper's house.
25:18Of course.
25:19And Will was watching Maestro.
25:21But I couldn't talk to him because I was such a big Lego Batman fan.
25:25LAUGHTER
25:26So I don't think we had one movie.
25:30It was the first time that you were watching Maestro.
25:33It was the first time I was watching Maestro with Batman.
25:36Yeah.
25:37Wow.
25:38And I kept going, what do you think?
25:39LAUGHTER
25:42And Tim and Tom know each other.
25:44Yes, we've known each other for a wee while, haven't we, sir?
25:46I've been to two weddings with Tom.
25:48There you go.
25:49Wow.
25:50Yeah.
25:51Never together.
25:52LAUGHTER
25:53We have, we, so I was at university with Tom Basden, who's also in this really, truly
25:58wonderful film.
25:59Yeah.
26:00With Tim and Kerry.
26:01So one of the weddings, I think, was Tom's wedding.
26:03Oh, yeah.
26:04But Tom and Tim have been a, you guys have been a kind of comedy double act for a long
26:09time.
26:10I went to see Tim and Tom, it was at the end of a fringe, and it was about, there's a
26:14political party that Tom had written, I think, with you guys, and it was about a group of
26:19kind of shambolic individuals trying to form a political party, and meeting up on a Wednesday
26:24night, and Tim plays someone who thinks he's been invited to a party.
26:29It was genuine, and never gives up on the fact that someone's going to open a bottle of
26:34champagne at any point.
26:35It's just my character.
26:36It sounds funny!
26:37It sounds funny!
26:38It was one of those, I thought, I would, it was so funny.
26:40It was one of those moments at the Edinburgh Fringe where you laugh so hard you think you're
26:43never going to make it.
26:44Um, and...
26:45Tim, is any of this true?
26:47LAUGHTER
26:48Fucking hell!
26:49I think you've established Tom knows Tim.
26:54LAUGHTER
26:55We've got that down.
26:57That information is safe now.
26:59Tim just remembers the wedding.
27:00There's no time, we didn't even get to the second wedding, we're good, we're good.
27:04LAUGHTER
27:05Now, The Ballot of Wallace Island.
27:10It is such a gorgeous film, I was saying to Tim, I love this film.
27:13You guys have seen it, you've seen it.
27:14I love this movie so much.
27:15I haven't seen it yet, I watched the trailer, I sent it to him backstage, I cannot wait to
27:21see this film.
27:22It's gorgeous, and it's out now on DVD, Blu-ray and 4K.
27:25If you haven't seen it yet, do.
27:27So, if people haven't, who do you play?
27:30Tell us about The Ballad of Wallace Island.
27:32Elevator pitch.
27:33OK, so I play a guy called Charles Heath.
27:35Yep.
27:36Who's a millionaire living on an island, who's in love with Maguire Mortimer, this band,
27:41who him and his wife fell in love with many years ago.
27:44He gets, um, Herb Maguire to come to his island, pays him a million pounds, and then secretly
27:49gets Herb Maguire's ex band member and lover, Nell Mortimer, to come as well.
27:55So he hoodwinks them both to play a private gig for him, that they have no idea that that's
27:59what's going to happen.
28:00Hijinks ensue.
28:02Oh, it is just so good.
28:04And it was filmed incredibly quickly, Kerry, wasn't it?
28:06Like, how long, you were there for how many days?
28:08It was filmed in 18 days.
28:1018 days.
28:11Wow.
28:12Yeah.
28:13And I was there for 10 days.
28:14Yeah.
28:15It was very quick.
28:16And we went to a water park for three days.
28:19It's important to enjoy yourself.
28:21Yeah, of course.
28:22It is, yeah.
28:23It's a fun shoot.
28:24Yeah.
28:25Yeah.
28:26So The Ballad of Wallace Island, it came out earlier this year, and now it's kind
28:30of the second life, but it's been gestating for a long time, because it started as a short
28:35film.
28:36Yeah, me and Tom Basden made a short film in the Hiddleston era.
28:41In the early 2000s, yeah.
28:44I did.
28:45And, yeah, we shot it in three days, and it was like, yeah, we loved it.
28:50It was just one of the best experiences of my life, to shoot that.
28:53And, you know, after that, you just leave it, and you don't think anything more will
28:56happen with it, but...
28:57Didn't it win a BAFTA?
28:58No.
28:59And then...
29:00LAUGHTER
29:01It was a nice idea.
29:06It was a nice idea.
29:07It was nominated.
29:08It was nominated.
29:09It was nominated.
29:10It was nominated.
29:11I remember that.
29:13I could...
29:14Yeah, Tom was non-stop.
29:15Nominated for BAFTA.
29:16and yeah and me and Tom and James who directed it we just you know we just had
29:20such happy memories of it there was a moment where we were like gonna turn it
29:23into a feature but we couldn't really work out how and also you you're young
29:27and you think you need to move on and make the next thing yeah and then well
29:31we didn't do that we just sort of made this but after 18 years yeah
29:34how did you get involved Kerry I emailed her that is true isn't it but did you
29:43know each other no I can get emails my husband and I were really big fans of
29:50Tim key's late-night poetry hour which if you haven't heard is just the most
29:55amazing brilliant funny show on radio four four four four and and so and Marcus
30:03had had done that sort of nerdy like DM thing where he DM'd him and said I'm a
30:08massive fan and then somehow I got your email address because I wanted him to
30:13host something for a charity that I work with for war child Tim said no four
30:21years later I got an email from Tim key and the subject heading was filming
30:26opportunity we like we wrote the film and then because we eventually we
30:40unlocked how the feature would be and the whole secret of it was this Nell
30:45character which was in addition to the short and then you know we just were
30:49working out who our favorite Nell would be and all three of us me Tom and James we
30:55all wanted Kerry and then I it was the zoom era said I'll get it I don't think
31:03you well anyway I delivered a Wow
31:13this is Charles welcoming his heroes to the island
31:20and a bit like you know comedy in a film when it's a famous band and there's
31:29going to be music you think this music better be good and it is it's gorgeous the
31:33music yeah I mean he is Tom Basden who I wrote it with and who did the lion's share
31:40of the writing and did all the music was a sort of a genius and it's what you know
31:46it was what makes the film work really that you do totally believe that my
31:50character could have been in love with with his music 15 years ago yeah and Kerry
31:55you've sung in a lot of films but I'm alright that you you you don't like it I
31:59I don't like it I don't like it I don't like it I don't like it I so you don't like it
32:12I know I said to Tom on this one you know just make me the harmonizing person and he did and that's what I do in the film I'm
32:20that's harder to do isn't it no no someone tell he told me what to do and I did what he told me to do okay
32:27that's what I did as well
32:29talking of music quite a posh music connection on the couch Laura Dern you are
32:34very connected to a friend of ours Taylor Swift I am I don't sing ever
32:39connected to her but but yes friends and and have been in music video yeah you
32:55starred there you are starring in a certain demographic that that's all they know you
33:04from my favorite memory of my children and I while on vacation in Hawaii we had
33:13parked our car and had hiked down to this somewhat secluded beach and we came back
33:20up the other route and we're looking for our car and we saw the sort of seemingly
33:28the doors the entrance gates to Jurassic Park because it's where we filmed the
33:33movie on the island of Kauai and it said welcome to Jurassic Park and it's where
33:37you meet up for the ride and I was like it's similar to your story you know in that
33:44moment I was the most famous person I was like oh god guys this is you know to my
33:49young children this is gonna be a nightmare for mom guy you know so concerned about my
33:54celebrity looking for the car trying to dodge the people in the line and suddenly I see it right I see
34:01these three teenage girls start to lose their minds and run toward me and I'm like guys guys just like
34:09let's just try to get in the car they're like oh my god right under the Jurassic Park sign you're the
34:15girl in the Taylor Swift video
34:19I love that
34:21it's amazing
34:23and Tim we were talking about people plugging away and getting a start in the business and in this country a lot of people get a start in comedy in the Cambridge Footlights and you did that
34:33I did do that yeah I was in the Cambridge Footlights yeah yeah but in a slightly odd way how do you mean well
34:40because did you you didn't tell all the truth no don't tell any of the truth yeah what was the big lie you told Tim that I was at Cambridge
34:51I thought for years I thought because I would go to talk to see Tom Basden and others in in the Cambridge Footlights and Tim was there and I was like I haven't seen Tim around
35:09well I wonder which college I was never really a lectures guy I wonder which college he's at I wonder maybe he's just got a really interesting life and he's just aloof and he turns up for the gig yeah or he has a job yeah threshold assessment regional deployment officer
35:27how long did the lie go on for well it's finished now isn't it
35:34did you get busted oh you got busted yeah got the part did the did the audition and they got cast in that show you know that you go to Edinburgh with I was sort of working out as I went along got cast and then got a phone call from my friend Phil saying we know you're not at Cambridge in fact he might just said we know
35:54and then he said we'll meet at the Maypole at 4.30 so I went there obviously and they were about to have their like a dinner where everyone met each other and said we're all cast in this show and yeah we went and had a pint and he said we know don't tell anyone else you're in
36:12wow yeah and so I was not busted at all really he just kept me unbusted
36:18people will be hearing this for the first time now yeah I haven't been I haven't done it on any other shows
36:28very good very good
36:30listen just a reminder the Ballad of Wallace Island is available to rent and watch now I urge you to do so
36:36okay
36:37yeah
36:38yeah
36:39yeah
36:40time to meet our next guest one of the TV hits of the year was
36:45adolescence the extraordinary Netflix drama which started a public debate about young masculinity was even discussed in parliament
36:52while its star Owen Cooper became the youngest male Emmy Award winner ever here is a moment from the show
37:00wow
37:01ladies and gentlemen please welcome Owen Cooper
37:07hey
37:10hello sir really nice to see you
37:13and here he is Laura, Will, Tom
37:18there he is have a seat there
37:21it's sort of intimidating to meet you after seeing that clip
37:26congratulations on everything and I ought to say happy birthday as well right
37:30yeah thank you
37:31yeah
37:32because
37:33by the time this show goes out you'll be
37:3816
37:3916
37:40wow congratulations
37:41thank you
37:42very good
37:43being 15 has gone quite well for you I feel
37:45yeah it's been a good one
37:47it has
37:48it has been a very good year
37:50I guess the big question is
37:52how did it happen?
37:54how did Stephen Graham find you?
37:55how did you end up in the show?
37:56erm
37:57well
37:58I went to a drama
38:00group
38:01erm
38:02back in 2021
38:03I started
38:04erm
38:05but back then it was just like a hobby of mine
38:07I like
38:08none of my friends did it
38:10no one in my school did it really
38:11I just
38:12I don't know
38:13like I was watching
38:14watching films and stuff
38:15and like
38:16I think
38:17Stranger Things
38:18and The Impossible
38:19with Tom Holland
38:20I was watching
38:21I've watched
38:22I've watched The Impossible since I was about
38:23seven years old
38:24and like
38:25I've watched it about 40 times
38:26it's like a family film of ours
38:27so I don't know why to be fair
38:28but
38:29erm
38:30I mean
38:31it doesn't sound like a
38:32a feel good watch
38:33but erm
38:35but watching Tom in that
38:37was just
38:38I don't know
38:39I just thought I want to be doing what he's doing
38:40and
38:41so
38:42yeah about
38:43four years ago now I started
38:44and then
38:45erm
38:46last year
38:47about
38:48April
38:49I sent a self-tape off
38:50and then
38:51I heard back like a month later saying we want an audition
38:53and
38:54so I did about five auditions for it
38:56cos the
38:57there was like
38:58and it came down to me and these five lads
39:00and then
39:01erm
39:02we did a chemistry test
39:03with Steve
39:04and that's when I met Steve
39:05and then
39:06yeah we just clicked
39:07we both support Liverpool
39:08so
39:10so yeah we clicked straight away
39:11and then
39:12and then I found out
39:13a couple weeks after
39:15that erm
39:16that yeah I got a part
39:17and how did you find out?
39:18erm
39:19well
39:20it took about
39:21two weeks of like
39:22them trying to decide who wants to play Jamie
39:24and then
39:25it was me and this other lad
39:26erm
39:27Kane
39:28who plays Ryan in the show
39:29and it was down to me and him
39:30and then
39:31they were just struggling to
39:32decide who was it
39:33and then
39:34I was always coming home from school saying
39:36er
39:37have we heard?
39:38did I get it?
39:39and she was like
39:40no erm
39:41it's your mum
39:42yeah she was like erm
39:43no not today
39:44and then I'd go back the next day
39:45and he's like
39:46did you hear anything?
39:47and say no
39:48but then one day I went back
39:49and I was just like
39:50did you hear anything?
39:51expecting her to say no
39:52and she went
39:53erm
39:54yeah we have actually
39:55erm
39:56you didn't get the part
39:57erm
39:58so
39:59I was like
40:00so I was
40:02erm
40:05so yeah I was fuming
40:06I was actually fuming
40:07but erm
40:08I just
40:09I just strapped up the stairs
40:10and then my mum went
40:11erm
40:12she
40:13called me down again
40:14and she was like
40:15I was only taking the piss
40:16you can know
40:17so
40:18yeah
40:19like
40:20my heart dropped
40:21my heart dropped to my stomach
40:22so
40:23but yeah
40:24that's an emotional rollercoaster
40:25yeah really
40:26yeah before you've even done it
40:27erm
40:28and I think we all know that
40:29each episode
40:30obviously if you watch it you know
40:31each episode's done one take
40:32but how many times did you do the one take?
40:35erm
40:36we were supposed to do ten
40:37but if like
40:38remember in episode one
40:40erm
40:41it was like 25 minutes in
40:43and
40:44this was my best take
40:45right
40:46my favourite take so far
40:47like
40:48I went for it
40:49like
40:50Stephen and everyone before
40:51hyped
40:52hyped everyone up
40:53and I was up for it
40:54I went for it
40:5525 minutes in
40:56all the lights went out in the studio
40:57and
40:58erm
40:59er
41:00so
41:01we had to start again
41:02erm
41:03which I was absolutely devastated for
41:05was that
41:06was that another of your mum's practical jokes?
41:08no
41:09no
41:10no it wasn't
41:11no
41:12I mean it's funny you're on a sofa full of actors
41:18like does this sound appealing to anyone or like a nightmare the idea of doing a big long take like that?
41:23I think it sounds both which is probably the appeal but I have to say I think it's the most extraordinary performance what you did in this show
41:32it's
41:33I just think about it randomly it's just incredible so I don't know how you did it but it was remarkable
41:39I don't know either so
41:41and in between all these you know making the show and being on talk shows and winning an Emmy do you literally just go back to school?
41:50yeah
41:51I'm supposed to be in school tomorrow so
41:56don't know
41:57ooh
41:58yeah
41:59and it must be quite hard to take school seriously
42:01school on New Year's Day
42:03yeah
42:04he's taking it very seriously Tom
42:08he is a key student
42:1210 out of 10
42:13that's for me the commitment
42:15really good
42:16yeah
42:17but like
42:18school must be kind of an irritant at this point
42:20do you know what it's not too bad at a minute
42:22erm
42:23I've got my mocks
42:24a couple of weeks
42:25which I'm not really looking forward to
42:27and then I've got my GCSE
42:28so
42:29I've only got like six months left and then I'm gone
42:31but erm
42:32but
42:35when
42:36when the show came out
42:37I
42:38we broke for the summer
42:39erm
42:40no actually no
42:41I went back like
42:42a month and a half after the show came out
42:44and
42:45erm
42:46yeah the first day that was a little bit worse
42:47but
42:48now I just
42:49I'm just hanging around my mates
42:50and then
42:51but
42:52but yeah
42:53and there must be a bit of people treating you differently at school
42:55you must notice it a bit
42:56well
42:57all the teachers and all the kids and that
42:59they've known me since year seven
43:00just
43:01messing about
43:02so erm
43:03yeah I'm just the same really
43:04oh and that's how Tim feels when he goes back to Cambridge
43:06oh really
43:07oh yeah
43:08oh yeah
43:09oh yeah
43:10god
43:11god I'm just you know
43:12people remember me from when I was studying here
43:14erm
43:15but look at you now
43:16after the races
43:17er
43:18adolescence big hit
43:19and
43:20next February
43:21we're going to see you in Wuthering Heights
43:22yep
43:23er
43:24yeah there's the poster
43:25er
43:26now Kerry you've worked with Emerald Fennell a couple of times now
43:27I have
43:28and I've seen Wuthering Heights
43:29oh really
43:30you've seen the film I haven't
43:31I haven't
43:32I
43:33I
43:34yeah
43:35is it true you weren't allowed to read all of the script?
43:36no no
43:37like
43:38in the read through
43:39in the
43:40that's really fair
43:41in the read through
43:42erm
43:43I did my bits and then I had to get rushed out
43:44put a pillowcase over your head
43:46and nodded you out
43:47er
43:48well listen
43:49we look forward to that
43:50congratulations to you
43:51it's been lovely to meet you
43:52thank you
43:53er
43:54and good luck with everything in the future
43:55Owen Cooper everyone
43:56yay
43:58well done sir
44:00er
44:01right
44:02it's time for music
44:03this award winning singer songwriter
44:04first scored success in the 90s
44:06with a banging club classic
44:08which has found a new lease of life over the last month
44:11in an iconic Christmas ad
44:13here performing
44:14where love lives
44:15it is
44:16Alison Limerick
44:17come on over you
44:19look at you
44:21golden wonder
44:23hello
44:24hello
44:25so nice to see you
44:26Alison
44:27Tom
44:29Will
44:30Laura
44:31Tim
44:32Harry
44:33Owen
44:34hi
44:35hi
44:36sit yourself down
44:37have a drink
44:38happy new year
44:39happy new year
44:40happy new year
44:41all
44:42yes
44:43thank you so much for that performance
44:44it's great to hear it live
44:45thank you
44:46that is currently available to buy
44:48on DaVinyl
44:49there it is on DaVinyl
44:50yes
44:51yes
44:52yes
44:53with Labyrinth doing a cover of it on the outside
44:55yeah have you heard it
44:56no
44:57it's gorgeous gorgeous gorgeousness
44:58okay
44:59okay
45:00nice
45:01nice
45:02so this is nuts
45:0335 years since that song was released
45:05I'm too young
45:06I don't know
45:07I was going to say to Owen
45:08ask your parents but even they won't remember it
45:10so
45:11not bad
45:1335 years
45:16so and you know I know you've performed that song a lot over the years but to have this happen to it how did it become the theme to the ad?
45:24I think that John Lewis and their advertising team wanted to do the theme of going back to that nostalgic time and they needed a song
45:35and there might have been half a dozen that they chose, they could have chosen
45:39they chose the one that I was singing on
45:42so
45:43voila
45:44yeah
45:45and it must have been quite a nice day when you got that call
45:48I
45:49I screamed like a juvenile
45:52for about 5 minutes I couldn't stop squealing
45:55it was
45:56and Alison do you get the staff discount now?
45:58yes
45:59yeah
46:00yeah
46:01they've been very generous to me
46:03and I'm
46:05more than
46:06happy to go shopping
46:07there
46:08everyone's congratulations Alison
46:10thank you so much for that amazing performance
46:12Alison Limerick everybody
46:14now
46:17that is nearly it before we go
46:20just time for a New Year's Eve visit to the big red chair
46:24I hope these stories are suitable Owen
46:28I'll be cautious
46:31hello sir
46:32now when
46:33sorry
46:34Melvin
46:35no
46:36now then
46:37now then
46:38oh yeah what's your name
46:39I'm Tommy
46:40I'm Tommy
46:41and I'm from Keithley in Yorkshire
46:43you're Tommy from Yorkshire
46:44okay
46:45I'm very nervous
46:46oh don't be nervous you're fine you're fine
46:48do you live up in Yorkshire still?
46:50yeah in Keithley
46:52oh Keithley
46:53and what do you do up there?
46:54I'm a civil servant which is pretty boring but before that I trained to be a doctor
46:59I thought I had to give that up
47:00of course
47:01and
47:02oh you go good story
47:06high hopes high hopes
47:08okay so I go back to a few years ago when I was a keen runner
47:11so I used to go out running early every morning so one morning I'm out in the park running
47:15and I get really bad cramps
47:17and I think I'm not gonna make it home
47:19I'm gonna have to go to the toilet and not for a number one
47:23so I look around there's nobody about
47:25so I think I'll go behind this bush
47:27I go behind the bush
47:29in no time this Labrador comes bounding towards me
47:32with the owner shouting after him
47:35well done
47:39well done Owen
47:41I like self-censoring
47:45the Americans
47:47the Americans are going to
47:49people in Britain just shit themselves
47:51all that happens in life
47:53it's so festive
47:55it's so festive
47:57all the stories end in kind of the same way
47:59off we go with somebody else
48:00here we go
48:01hello
48:02hi
48:03hi what's your name?
48:04Maria
48:05Maria hello Maria
48:06and where are you from?
48:07from Mexico
48:08oh from Mexico wow
48:09do you live here now?
48:10yeah
48:11you do what do you do here?
48:12I work in higher education
48:14all right
48:15off you go with your story all the way from Mexico
48:17okay well English is not my first language right
48:20so I was at work dinner with colleagues
48:22and they are talking about construction
48:24and building for whatever reason
48:26and I said like
48:28oh you know houses in Mexico are made out of semen
48:30and people are like
48:32what?
48:33yeah yeah yeah yeah
48:34cover your ears
48:36like how?
48:38and I'm like no you know like builders
48:40they just put loads of it everywhere
48:42for a couple of minutes later they are like
48:46wait Maria are you trying to say cement?
48:48and I'm like yeah, cement
48:50oh no
48:52oh no
48:53oh no
48:54I didn't mean that to happen
48:56I feel awful now
48:58I wanted for the war
49:00oh
49:01is she all right?
49:02hmm?
49:03she's dead now
49:05I don't know how far this went
49:07she'll never see 2026 I'm afraid
49:09it's a high risk strategy this game
49:12yeah
49:13if it goes well
49:14I mean the glory
49:15but hmmm
49:16yeah
49:17oh well
49:18um
49:19all right that really is all we've got time for
49:21if you'd like to have a go in the red show yourself
49:23and tell your story
49:24you can contact us via our website
49:25at this very address
49:27please say a huge thank you to all of my guests tonight
49:29Alison Limerick
49:31Owen Cooper
49:33Tim Key
49:36Terry Mulligan
49:38Will Arnett
49:40Laura Dern
49:43and Tom Hiddleston
49:45we'll be back on the 9th of January
49:49Rob Beckett, Dawn French, Cynthia Erivo and Hollywood star Chris Pratt
49:53until then have a very happy new year
49:55good night
49:56good night
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