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00:00The things I saw made impressions, I can never forget.
00:20I can't describe it. I can't say how it was.
00:25It was just terrible.
00:34A dream of being trapped on the ship with no means of escape.
00:43But I always wake up before the boat sinks.
00:55He told me that apparently we'd struck something.
01:07Iceberg!
01:08Deadhead!
01:11I didn't become alarmed.
01:18There was no danger, they said.
01:24I told her to come at once. We were sinking.
01:26I can imagine the chaos and the fear and the terror of finding water in your cabin and you're in the bowels of the ship.
01:37It makes me panic just thinking about it.
01:40The story of the Titanic is the human condition spread out, pinned on a board for us to examine.
01:47Then came the terrible cry.
01:51Women and children, women and children.
01:54Two men lifted me up and put me in a boat.
01:59It's these small decisions, these little butterfly effect moments that change the outcome.
02:06Back!
02:07Back!
02:07Back!
02:08Back!
02:08Back!
02:08Back!
02:08Back!
02:08Back!
02:08Back!
02:08Back!
02:09Back!
02:09Back!
02:10Back!
02:10Back!
02:11Back!
02:12Back!
02:13Back!
02:14Back!
02:15Back!
02:16Back!
02:17Back!
02:17Back!
02:18It really was every man for himself.
02:22My heart stood still.
02:37We're going now it's best to die gripping it.
02:42It's a split second decision.
02:46What would I do?
02:54It was a terrible sight.
02:56Men swimming and sinking.
03:06I've been brought up to believe in a hell after death.
03:16For now, I think I went through a hell that night.
03:46It was a hell that night would be right.
03:48Even the night we ran through the tunnel.
03:50It was a time to get away.
03:52It was a time to go.
03:54I went after that.
03:56It was time to get away.
03:58There was no time to get away.
04:00I nipped along to have a look down the emergency staircase
04:11To gauge the speed the water was rising
04:14That cold green water crawling its ghostly way
04:24The electric lights shone under the surface
04:29With a weird effect
04:33Sir Lytola knows now things are getting more serious
04:39He thought this thing could not go down
04:42And now he knows it could sink
04:45This is a terrible shock for him
04:48Captain Smith is at fault here
04:54He has not informed his senior officers
04:57Of what he has known for some time
05:00It's very hard to know why Captain Smith
05:03Did not give out the information to his most trusted command
05:06Maybe it's important to keep this away
05:09To stop them panicking
05:10And to keep control
05:12There are just ten standard lifeboats left on the ship
05:30Along with four collapsibles
05:32There's 2,000 souls and more on board
05:36And only around 700 places
05:39There's no rescue ship coming anytime soon
05:41So if you don't get in
05:43You're gonna die
05:44Keep moving up and down the deck
05:59Lytola is going to continue doing exactly what he's done before
06:03But with even more fervour and rigidity enforcing the plan
06:07It's the only thing he can do
06:09And children only
06:12Charlotte Collier is just about holding herself together
06:18In her family unit
06:19Her husband Harvey and her little daughter Marjorie
06:22Mr. Lowe rushed among the passengers
06:30And ordered the women into the boats
06:33Many of them followed him in a dazed kind of way
06:40And others stayed with their men
06:43A sailor caught Marjorie in his arms
06:49Tore her away from me
06:52And threw her into the boat
06:55I was crying for my doll
06:59Then two men lifted me up
07:03And put me in a boat
07:05Marjorie!
07:07Marjorie!
07:09She was not even given a chance to tell her father goodbye
07:13You too, a man, yelled
07:19You're a woman
07:20Take a seat in that boat
07:23Or it will be too late
07:25I heard my husband say
07:29Go, Lottie
07:34For God's sake
07:35Be brave and go
07:36And saw my husband's back
07:44As he walked steadily down the deck
07:46And disappeared among the men
07:48If they'd not wrenched Marjorie away from me
07:54I wish I had gone with him
08:00The coaches' deferential veneer is not there anymore
08:10The officers will pull apart women from their men
08:15And make them go into the boats
08:17Whether they want to or not
08:19This is new in the course of the night
08:21And it's frightening
08:22There's a really stark disadvantage
08:34Facing third-class passengers
08:36From the beginning
08:37They are stuck in the bowels of the ship
08:41Trying to get to where the lifeboats are
08:43I've been seasick the whole trip
08:49All I wanted was to be left alone
09:01So I could lie down
09:03Anna Heerblom is a teenager from Finland
09:09She's a Swedish speaker
09:10A third of steerage passengers on the Titanic
09:14Were from Nordic countries
09:16There were so many people who did not speak English
09:18They spoke Spanish, Arabic, Swedish
09:20Swedish is the second most spoken language
09:23When the boat struck
09:26The 14th of April
09:28Which was my birthday
09:30I was 18
09:32I didn't become alarmed
09:37I just couldn't believe
09:40That this wonderful ship
09:41Could possibly be in trouble
09:44There are 14 stewardesses in first class
09:49To help those passengers leave the ship
09:53In third class, there's only one
09:55There was no tunneling system
10:01Or announcement of what was going on
10:03Of what to do
10:04They had to work it out themselves
10:06A crash woke me up
10:25Nearly jolted me from my bed
10:29I put on my trousers
10:35And shoes and got up
10:36Eugene Daly is a 29-year-old textile worker
10:43From County Westmeath in Ireland
10:45After years of saving
10:48He's immigrating to America
10:49Along with his cousin Maggie
10:51Her friend Bertha
10:53And his beloved Irish pipes
10:55The stewards came through
10:59And told the passengers
11:00That they shouldn't be frightened
11:02There was no danger
11:05They said
11:06Everything was all right
11:09And that I might go back
11:11The third class passengers
11:20Don't know what's going on
11:22Because they're not being told
11:24And there's nothing worse
11:25Than having an idea
11:26That something's really wrong
11:28But not knowing exactly what it is
11:30Above deck
11:32The first and second class passengers
11:34And the crew
11:35They can all see
11:36There aren't enough boats left
11:38And there are hundreds of them
11:40On deck
11:41I stood at the bulkhead
11:47With the other stewardesses
11:48A ship's officer
11:50Ordered us into the boat
11:51Some lifeboats
11:54Are only at half capacity
11:55Now there's fear everywhere
11:58So they're filling them up
12:00As quickly as they can
12:01Looking along
12:05The length of the ship
12:07I noticed
12:09The forward part of her
12:11Was lower now
12:12Much lower
12:16My heart stood still
12:22My heart stood still
12:22In the military
12:35This is what we talk about
12:36Triaging
12:37This is a case of thinking
12:38How many people
12:39Can we save at this point
12:41There's only room for 800 people
12:43In the lifeboats that remain
12:45So that's best case scenario
12:47But in crisis situations
12:49You're not getting
12:50The best case scenario
12:51Within the panic
12:52The confusion
12:53The boat was
12:57Full now
12:59As the boat was being lowered
13:03The ship's officer called
13:05Here Miss Jessop
13:08Look after this baby
13:10Someone had
13:16Dumped it on the deck
13:18Beside his feet
13:19At this stage
13:24Violet is handed a baby
13:26That has been sort of
13:27Separated from
13:28Their family
13:30Or whoever was caring
13:31For them at that point
13:32It's hard to fathom that
13:34That panic beginning to spread
13:38It's making their circumstances worse
13:41It's making everybody's chance
13:43Of survival worse
13:44But it's such a natural reaction
13:46I could hear the
14:05Commotion
14:07Overhead
14:08Increasing
14:09I decided to
14:10Go up
14:11Even though I still felt
14:12Very ill
14:13I was fully clothed
14:17And
14:18I had a lifebelt
14:19My railroad ticket
14:21To Tacoma
14:23And a small amount of money
14:24Were sewed
14:25In a little bag
14:26And hung around my neck
14:27So that I couldn't lose it
14:29I went down into the room
14:34Where Maggie Daly
14:35And Bertha Mulvill Hill were
14:36The men and women
14:39In third class
14:40Are separated
14:41So for Eugene
14:42To find Maggie
14:44And Bertha
14:44He has to cross
14:45From one end of the ship
14:46To another
14:47No one is guiding them
14:48No one is saying
14:49This is the best way
14:50To get around
14:50The flooding
14:51They have to work
14:52It out themselves
14:53Come with me
14:59Come with me
15:01The ship is sinking
15:02There's hundreds
15:07Of third class passengers
15:08Trying to navigate
15:09The warren
15:10Of corridors
15:11Hallways
15:12Staircases
15:12And they're trying
15:14To get to a part
15:15Of the ship
15:15The boat deck
15:16That they've never
15:17Been allowed onto before
15:18It's difficult to
15:21Convey the size
15:23Of a ship
15:23Like the Titanic
15:24It took me
15:2514 days
15:26Before I could
15:28Find my way
15:28From one part
15:29Of that ship
15:30To another
15:30By the shortest route
15:31Eugene, Maggie
15:34And Bertha
15:35Must navigate up
15:36Several decks
15:37To the boat deck
15:38It's now a very
15:40Challenging situation
15:41And the feeling
15:42Of a loss of control
15:43On the part of the crew
15:44Is getting stronger
15:45And stronger
15:46It was about this time
15:48That the chief officer
15:49Came over from the
15:51Starboard side
15:51And asked
15:52Did I know
15:52Where the firearms were
15:54I told the chief officer
15:55Yes
15:56Come along
15:57And I'll get them for you
15:58Drawing weapons
16:03Is very unusual
16:04The officers
16:08Clearly were aware
16:09Of how panic
16:10Was setting in
16:11And order
16:12And discipline
16:13Amongst people
16:14Were falling apart
16:15There were guns
16:18On board the Titanic
16:19Like the lifeboats
16:21Nobody expected
16:22To ever
16:23Have to use them
16:24Into the first officer's cabin
16:31We went
16:31The chief
16:32Murdoch
16:33The captain
16:33And myself
16:34I hauled them out
16:38Still in all their
16:40Pristine newness
16:41And grease
16:42Here you are
16:47I was going out
16:50When the chief officer
16:52Shoved one of the revolvers
16:54Into my hands
16:55With a handful
16:55Of ammunition
16:56It said
16:57Here you are
16:59You may need it
17:01The fact of the matter
17:04Is there are far more
17:05Passengers than crew
17:06British and American society
17:09At this time
17:10Is hierarchical
17:11And it's rules based
17:12People will do
17:13What they are told
17:14But not when their lives
17:16Are at stake
17:17This is what the officers fear
17:19But you know
17:20Chekhov said
17:22You can't put a gun
17:23In the room
17:23And not use it
17:25Third class passengers
17:40Naturally gravitated
17:42Towards the aftwell deck
17:43Which is the outdoor space
17:45They've had use of
17:46But it is still
17:47Three decks
17:48Below the boat deck
17:49Where the lifeboats are
17:51There was a lot of confusion
18:05With people running around
18:07Crying
18:08Swearing
18:10And praying
18:12Since I couldn't speak English
18:14I hardly knew what was happening
18:16I had to push people apart
18:21To find the place
18:23To walk
18:24She doesn't speak English
18:30There's no one experienced
18:32To advise her
18:33So she's working this all out
18:34With so much against her
18:36There's a sea of passengers
18:39Already gathered there
18:40So Eugene and Anna
18:42Are joining this throng of people
18:43I went up on deck
18:46People were running around
18:49The Titanic being an immigrant ship
18:53Must conform to American
18:55And British immigration laws
18:57And one of those laws
18:58Is around quarantine
18:59Maintaining steerage class passengers
19:03In areas separate
19:04From the first and second class passengers
19:06To stop the spread of disease
19:09Before the third class passengers
19:11Have even boarded Titanic
19:12They've had to be subjected
19:14To medical examinations
19:15They're hemmed in
19:17By locked gates
19:18And these same gates
19:20That were meant to prevent ill health
19:21Are now blocking their access
19:23To the lifeboats
19:24Eugene's cousin Maggie
19:26Tries to go back to her cabin
19:27But that corridor
19:29Is under five foot of water
19:30There's no chance she can make it
19:33And she turns back
19:34All this time
19:36We knew that the water
19:38Was coming up
19:38And up rapidly
19:40To know that safety
19:44Is on the other side
19:45Of that locked gate
19:46It must make them despair
19:47The boat was
20:04Practically full
20:06And there were no other women
20:09Anywhere near it
20:10When
20:11Fifth officer low
20:13Jumped in
20:14And ordered it lowered
20:16Lower the boat
20:17A young lad
20:21Hardly more than a schoolboy
20:23Was standing
20:24Close to the rail
20:25Now
20:27Realising he was to be left behind
20:30And he leapt down
20:31Into the boat
20:32And crawled
20:34Under a seat
20:35But the officer dragged him
20:40To his feet
20:41And ordered him
20:42Back onto the ship
20:43We begged for his life
20:48Please give him a chance
20:50The officer drew his revolver
20:56And thrust it
20:57Into his face
20:59I give you ten seconds
21:03To get back
21:05Onto that ship
21:07Before I blow your brains out
21:09Please
21:11Please
21:12The lad only begged harder
21:14Please don't
21:17My mother said
21:18I called out
21:19Don't shoot
21:21The officer
21:28Suddenly changed his tone
21:31He lowered his revolver
21:34And looked the boy
21:37Squarely in the eyes
21:39For God's sake
21:43Be a man
21:44We have got women
21:45And children
21:46For God's sake
21:47We have women
21:48And children
21:49The little lad
21:50Turned round
21:51And climbed back
21:53Without a word
21:54He was not saved
22:00Allow the boats
22:04To avoid another
22:09Recurrence of that sort
22:10I fired my revolver
22:12As I was going down
22:14Each deck
22:14Because the boat
22:16Wouldn't stand
22:17A sudden jerk
22:18She was loaded already
22:19With people
22:20And would not stand
22:21Anymore
22:21Actually drawing the gun
22:27Shows that the ship's
22:29Officers
22:29Realised that
22:31Things were very
22:32Very desperate
22:33Indeed
22:33And of course
22:34We did not have
22:35Enough lifeboats
22:36For everybody on board
22:37There are 10 lifeboats
22:39There are 10 lifeboats
22:39Left on deck now
22:41And 1,960 people
22:44Still to save
22:45Titanic now
22:46Was so low in the water
22:48That iconic areas
22:50Like the grand staircase
22:51And some of the luxury
22:52Stake rooms
22:53Were flooding
22:54There's no doubt
22:56At all
22:56That this was unstoppable
22:58It was merely
22:59A question of time
23:00Phillips told me
23:14The wireless
23:14Was growing weaker
23:15Jack Phillips
23:21Has spent
23:22The last few hours
23:23Trying to communicate
23:24With other
23:24Wireless operators
23:26Carpathia is sailing
23:28At full speed
23:30Towards Titanic
23:31But she's still
23:32Two hours away
23:33On the nearest ship
23:35The Californian
23:37Nobody recognised
23:38Or responded to
23:40The distress
23:40Flares
23:41But Phillips
23:42Still believes
23:43That as long as
23:44He can get signals out
23:45He may be of
23:46Some use
23:48But now
23:50The electricity
23:51Is starting to fail
23:52Then
23:55He does get a message
23:56From his sister ship
23:57Olympic
23:58But she seems
24:06Not to understand
24:07At all
24:08What is happening
24:09To Titanic
24:10And thinks
24:10Titanic must be
24:11Limping along
24:13Sailing towards them
24:14The frustration here
24:16Is now clear
24:18Because the messages
24:18Are not getting through
24:20For this young man
24:22In his mid-twenties
24:23I think this is the place
24:25Of utmost distress
24:26Right now
24:29It's clear on board ship
24:30That no rescue vessel
24:32Is going to reach Titanic
24:34Before she sinks
24:35The third class passengers
24:45Are at most risk
24:46At this moment
24:47There's the language difficulties
24:49There's probably
24:50A bit of aggression
24:51I think that's setting in
24:52Annoyance
24:53Frustration
24:54We had
24:57Quite
24:58A number
24:59Of hot-headed
25:00Italians
25:01And other people
25:02Who got crazy
25:03And made for the stairs
25:04These men
25:06Tried to rush
25:07The stairway
25:08Pushing
25:09And crowding
25:10And pulling the women down
25:11At this moment
25:14We would expect
25:16The adrenaline
25:17To kick in
25:18The body
25:19The body wants to survive
25:20And it gives us
25:21Some sort of innate choices
25:22You might fight
25:24Your way to the front
25:24Physically
25:25People might freeze
25:26Where they're just stuck
25:28They're in terror
25:28They don't know what to do
25:29We also see people
25:31Who are turning inward
25:33And that would be
25:34Turning to God as well
25:35Making the sign of the cross
25:36And so on
25:36The first class deck
25:39Was higher up
25:40Than the steerage deck
25:41And there were some steps
25:42Leading up to it
25:43And a gate
25:44At the top of the steps
25:45They tried to keep us down
25:47At first
25:48On our steerage deck
25:49At the back of the ship
25:50They're trying to keep order
25:54But by doing so
25:56In such a chaotic way
25:57They probably contribute
25:59To a greater loss of life
26:00Than they realised
26:02I can't say who they were
26:07I think they were sailors
26:08They didn't want us
26:12Going up to the first class
26:13Place at all
26:14Even though there's
26:18No direct policy
26:19Preventing third class passengers
26:21From accessing lifeboats
26:22It's clear from their testimony
26:24After the sinking
26:25That there was not
26:26A level playing field
26:27The third class were left
26:29Marginalised
26:30And endangered
26:32By cruise actions
26:33There was no help
26:39Of any kind
26:42To reach safety
26:43So time is ticking down
26:51The water's rising
26:52They're sandwiched
26:53In between
26:54The sea
26:55And the locked gate
26:56They're having to make
26:58Life or death decisions
27:00In moments
27:01With very little information
27:03I got talking to a young Swedish girl
27:10Returning to the United States
27:13She knew about an emergency stairway
27:19To where the lifeboats were
27:21Anna's interesting
27:26Because she's come from a different environment
27:28She's come from Finland
27:29Where the social strata
27:31Isn't quite as defined
27:33As it is in England at the time
27:34Perhaps she has a little bit more leeway
27:37To not rely on following
27:39The authority figure's orders
27:41We climbed the ladder
27:44Up to the first class deck
27:46And then an officer
27:48Saw me
27:50And dragged me
27:52Up to the next deck
27:54We passed a window
28:01And we looked into a beautiful room
28:05The tables were so beautifully set
28:09The silver
28:11And all the furniture
28:14The other girl
28:17She wanted to
28:18Kick the window out
28:21And walk in
28:22And help ourselves
28:24I told her that they might make us pay
28:29For the broken window
28:30So
28:30We didn't
28:32There's some evidence
28:36That growing up in adverse situations
28:38Actually gives you a kind of cognitive toolkit
28:41To be able to get through those situations
28:43All kinds of skills
28:45Where you've needed to survive
28:47And depend on yourself
28:48And that translates really quite well
28:50To an emergency scenario
28:51The third class passengers
28:53Have survived so many different challenges already
28:56They must have felt
29:03Their confidence and trust
29:05In the crew
29:06And officers
29:08Had gone
29:09I think these are people
29:10Who are not taking no for an answer
29:12They couldn't keep them down
29:14The gate was broken
29:23All the storage passengers
29:26Went up onto the first class deck
29:28They're going to take fate
29:30Into their own hands
29:31And they will get to those boats
29:33In the same way that I think
29:35When Officer Lowe fired his gun
29:37He changed the terms
29:38By breaking the gate
29:39They changed the terms
29:40I rushed
29:45To the lifeboats
29:48There seemed hundreds of people
29:52Around me
29:53Half the lifeboats
29:56Have already gone
29:57They're in the water
29:58There's only four lifeboats
29:59At this end of the ship
30:00And the others are
30:02Hundreds of yards ahead
30:03Seeing only four lifeboats available
30:07And nearly 2,000 people
30:09Trying to get into them
30:10There is such panic
30:12In that crowd
30:13Everywhere
30:17Everybody was confused
30:19I saw a lot of people
30:22Catholics
30:24Make the sign of the cross
30:27I had to step
30:31On many of these people
30:34To reach the side of the deck
30:37The crying of children
30:42And the screaming of a woman
30:44You know, these are terrifying sounds
30:46That we are programmed
30:48To have a sort of visceral reaction to
30:51I remember from living through my trauma
30:53My wounding in Afghanistan
30:55Sounds stay with you
30:57Far more than sights
30:58That is a powerful thing
30:59For the senses
31:00To take on board
31:01And for ultimately
31:03You to then have to live with
31:04I tried to
31:07Get into a lifeboat
31:10And I was pushed back
31:12It seemed as though
31:19I would go down with the ship
31:21Ideas about self-control
31:42And stoicism
31:43And self-sacrifice
31:44Are celebrated
31:46As forms of gentlemanliness
31:49As well as manliness
31:50These are the values
31:52That they've been told
31:53To hold to
31:54And it means
31:57Putting yourself second
31:59That is the ideal
32:01As far as Edwardian society
32:02Is concerned
32:03Bruce Ismay
32:07Who is the managing director
32:08Of the White Star Line
32:10His father had founded
32:11The White Star Line
32:12And the Titanic
32:14And the Titanic
32:14Is basically his idea
32:15This is the crowning achievement
32:17Of his career
32:18The creation of this amazing
32:20Opulent ship
32:21And now he can see
32:25That it is all going
32:26To the bottom of the sea
32:28Did you think it was in a very serious condition
32:41As time got on
32:43I did
32:44And that the ship was sinking
32:47I did
32:48I helped for nearly two hours
32:53As far as I can judge
32:54At the starboard boats
32:56Helping women and children
32:57Into the boats
32:58And blurring them over the side
33:00I think the sense of responsibility
33:04For Bruce Ismay
33:05Must have been huge
33:07And we see this
33:08In the fact
33:09That he spends time
33:10Patrolling the boat deck
33:12Putting people into boats
33:15Instructing crew
33:16How to behave
33:17But he knows
33:19That there aren't enough
33:20Lifeboats on board
33:21He knows by this point
33:23That there's no rescue ship
33:25Coming any time soon
33:27These lives are on his conscience
33:30The ship was
33:42Listing heavily
33:44In the bow
33:46Somebody gave me
33:48A push
33:49Towards the boat
33:51And I got in
33:55That girl and I went together
33:58The lifeboat was so crowded
34:04When I got to the deck
34:20The lifeboat was hanging from the Davids
34:22Number 13 boat
34:24It was pretty well filled
34:27When I got there
34:28Fred!
34:32The boatswainer knew me
34:33As I'd sailed with them
34:35And other ships before
34:36Said to me
34:38You get on this boat
34:38And pull an oar
34:39Get in the boat
34:40I need to hold this boat
34:42Fred is in the lifeboat
34:44Because, you know
34:46He's one of those
34:47Strong enough to be able to row it
34:48And at this stage
34:49The crew is now starting
34:51To really fill
34:52The lifeboats
34:53So I took his orders
34:55And I got on
34:57And she swung from the Davids
34:58We had women
35:00Men
35:01And two little babies
35:03One two months old
35:06And the other ten months old
35:08There is no real order
35:12People are sitting on top
35:14Of one another
35:14And, you know
35:15You're sort of being crushed
35:16Underneath this mass of people
35:17It's suspended
35:20By Davids
35:21Off the side of the ship
35:22At this point
35:23It's about
35:2418 metres above the water
35:26But every person
35:28That gets in
35:28Adds that weight
35:30Adds that movement
35:31Adds that risk
35:32And so there has to be a point
35:33At which you say
35:33That's enough
35:34About three more people
35:37Get in after I did
35:38And then the orders
35:40Were given
35:41Let no more on that boat
35:42Or the falls will break
35:44That means looking
35:47Into the whites
35:47Of people's eyes
35:48And saying
35:49There's no more space
35:50The boat was being filled
36:07With women
36:07Maggie and Bertha got in
36:15And I got in
36:20The officer called me
36:25To go back
36:25But I got in
36:26Life was sweet to me
36:30And I wanted to save myself
36:34It's the early hours
36:36Of the morning
36:37The lifeboats are being
36:38Filled to the broom now
36:39Overfilled
36:40Naturally
36:41Some male passengers
36:42Want to get in
36:43They want to be
36:44With their loved ones
36:44And they just want
36:45To save their lives
36:46As any of us would
36:47They told me
36:50To get out
36:51But I didn't stir
36:52Then they got a hold
36:57Of me
36:57And pulled me out
36:58Eugene's testimony
37:02Makes me like him
37:03I think he's honest
37:04He's frank
37:05He's not trying
37:06To put a spin
37:08On his own behaviour
37:09Or anyone else's
37:10I get the feeling
37:12Of a real historical account
37:13In its Watson
37:14All attitude
37:15What's sad about this story
37:18Is that most of those officers
37:20Knew the people
37:21That they were turning away
37:22In the sense that
37:23They were from the same class
37:24The same kind
37:25Well
37:27If I didn't save myself
37:30At least I saved the two girls
37:33Captain Smith had severe doubts
38:00About whether
38:00A fully laden lifeboat
38:03Could be lowered properly
38:04He knew there were
38:05A lot of people
38:05Waiting down
38:06At the gangway doors
38:08To get into boats
38:09And therefore he thought
38:10How can I manage
38:11To get these boats full
38:13How can I save
38:14As many of the people
38:16Whose lives
38:16I am responsible for
38:17As is possible
38:19The captain came
38:23And said
38:23Mr Boxall
38:24You go away
38:24In that boat
38:25Pointing to
38:26Boat number two
38:27I tumbled into this lifeboat
38:32And started to lower her
38:34And the captain looked over
38:36And told me
38:36Go round to the starboard side
38:38For the gangway doors
38:40Which was practically
38:42On the opposite side
38:43To where I was lowered
38:44So Boxall's lifeboat
38:48Was only about 45% full
38:51Was meant to go round
38:52To the starboard side
38:53Of the ship
38:54To take on
38:55More passengers
38:56I had great difficulty
39:00In getting that boat
39:01Around there
39:01There was suction
39:04I was using the stroke
39:11Or standing up
39:12And there was this lady
39:13Helping
39:14She was steering
39:16Around the ship's stern
39:17When I passed around
39:20The boat
39:20To get to the gangway
39:22Door on the starboard side
39:24Her propellers
39:26Were out of water
39:27But when I did
39:30Eventually reach there
39:32I found that
39:35There was such a mob
39:36Standing at the gangway doors
39:38If they jumped
39:56They'd swamp the boat
39:58I don't go alongside
40:02She was only a small boat
40:05Boxall should have made sure
40:12That he filled the lifeboat up
40:14And take necessary action
40:15To make sure he wasn't swamped
40:17He was in a position
40:18To do that
40:19And he didn't
40:20Pull!
40:21And it's a really tricky one
40:24Because
40:25Yes
40:25Crews should follow orders
40:27And the structure of discipline
40:28Is how you can try
40:29And create some form of order
40:31In moments of chaos
40:32There is a good reason
40:34Why
40:35You know
40:36In circumstances
40:37We are not
40:38Question orders
40:39Having said that
40:41It's all well and good
40:42One of your superiors
40:43Giving you an order
40:44But they're not seeing
40:46The circumstances
40:47That you are witnessing
40:48Pull!
40:52I pulled off
40:53And laid off
40:55Until I
40:57Pulled away
40:59About a quarter of a mile
41:00I suppose
41:14So the instinct to row away
41:28Is very normal
41:29Very human
41:30Everybody wants to get away
41:32From the scene
41:32Of an accident
41:33Or a disaster
41:35And this ship is huge
41:37People have never seen anything
41:39This big
41:40Captain Smith
41:46Is out there
41:47With his megaphone
41:48Barking orders
41:49Bring those boats back
41:51For the lifeboats
41:51To come back
41:52And pick up
41:53Other passengers
41:54It's almost instinctive
42:06And it's driven into you
42:07From the day you join
42:08The Royal Navy
42:09Or the Merchant Navy
42:10That you obey your captain
42:12And do as he says
42:13He is God in a sense
42:14And therefore not to do
42:16As you're told
42:17Is a heinous crime
42:19Quartermaster Hitchens
42:24Who is in command
42:26Of one of the lifeboats
42:28Said it's our lives now
42:29Not theirs
42:30I find that quite extraordinary
42:32The bottom line should be
42:33I want to save as many as I can
42:35It's our lives now
42:37Not theirs
42:38This is the moment of mutiny
42:41This is when all order
42:44Has broken down
42:45We are not going to stand by anymore
42:49And drown because you tell us to
42:51Fair enough
42:53We had gone
42:59Perhaps half a mile
43:02When the officer ordered the men
43:04To cease rowing
43:06No other boat was in sight
43:12We didn't even have a lantern
43:15To signal with
43:16We lay there
43:20In the silence
43:21And darkness
43:23Of that
43:24Calm sea
43:25No sound reached us
43:33Except the music
43:36From the band
43:37Which I was
43:39Aware of
43:40For the first time
43:41Those
43:45Brave musicians
43:48They were playing
43:52Lively tunes
43:54Ragtime
43:56I will never forget
44:01The terrible beauty
44:03Of the Titanic
44:04At that moment
44:04I started to count the rows
44:18Of lights
44:19One
44:22Two
44:25Three
44:27Four
44:29Five
44:31I stopped
44:36Surely I had
44:40Miscounted
44:41I
44:46Went over them again
44:47More carefully
44:48And
44:49I'd made no mistake
44:51There are only five decks now
44:55As if all could read my mind
44:59The women in the boat
45:01Started to
45:02Weep
45:02Some silently
45:04Some
45:05Unrestrainedly
45:08Just before launching
45:16The last lifeboats
45:17I'd made my final hurried visit
45:20To the emergency stairway
45:21To gauge how quickly
45:23She was going down
45:24It was then
45:32Conclusively evident
45:33That
45:34Not only was she going
45:36But
45:36She was going very soon
45:39Even in
45:43Pants and sweater
45:44Over pyjamas alone
45:45I was in a bath
45:46Of perspiration
45:47If we were to avoid
45:49The disgrace
45:50Of
45:51Going down
45:53With lifeboats
45:53Still hanging to the davits
45:54There wasn't one moment
45:56To lose
45:56The forward well deck
46:08Was under water
46:09I saw Philip still sending away
46:13I suspect
46:15Many people
46:16On the ship
46:17By now
46:18Are in an altered state
46:19Which
46:20We know
46:20Is what happens
46:21When people
46:22When people are facing death
46:23Jack Phillips
46:24Won't leave
46:25His post
46:26It is
46:27A clear
46:28Single focus
46:29On what you believe
46:30To be right
46:31And he believes
46:32The right thing to do
46:34Is to stay there
46:35Until it's all over
46:37Again
46:37Phillips called
46:38CQD and SOS
46:39For nearly five minutes
46:40And got no reply
46:41We now realised
46:52The awful
46:53State of affairs
46:54The ship listing heavily
46:56To port and forward
46:56I thought it was about time
46:59To look about
47:00And see if there was
47:00Anything that would float
47:01I remembered that
47:04Every member of the crew
47:04Had a lifebelt
47:05And then I thought
47:08How cold the water was
47:09I remembered
47:10I had some boots
47:11And I put those on
47:12And an extra jacket
47:13We picked up the Olympic
47:15And told that we were
47:16Sinking by the head
47:16And we were about all down
47:17Phillips is leading
47:21From the front
47:22He's a hero
47:23It's easier
47:25To understand
47:26Fear
47:28And self-interest
47:30Than it is to understand
47:32Sacrifice
47:34And heroism
47:35Especially now
47:37In our world
47:37We think that everything
47:39Is about greed
47:40And me first
47:41That generation
47:43Did not
47:44As Phillips was sending
47:46The message
47:46I strapped the lifebelt
47:47To his back
47:48I'd already put on
47:49His overcoat
47:50I wondered if I could
47:51Get him into his boots
47:52Just at that moment
47:54The captain
47:55Came into the cabin
47:56And said
47:58Men you have done
47:59Your full duty
48:00You can do no more
48:01The man in your cabin
48:03Knows every man for himself
48:06I release you
48:08Every man for himself now
48:12In the conflicts
48:13I trained for
48:14And it's unimaginable
48:15That we would ever
48:15Find ourselves in a circumstance
48:16Where it was
48:17Every man for themselves
48:18All of the order
48:19Has been lost
48:20And actually trying
48:22To maintain that order
48:23Whether it's
48:24You know
48:25Pointing a gun
48:26At a crowd
48:26Or
48:27You know
48:28Screaming at the top
48:29Of your voice
48:29All you're doing
48:30In that circumstance
48:31Is wasting energy
48:32The last of the hard hulled
48:48Lifeboats
48:49Have been dispatched
48:50But there is still
48:51Two collapsible lifeboats
48:54Left on the boat deck
48:55They're a little bit more flimsy
48:57But they still are
48:58A lifeline
48:59There was some
49:02Disturbance
49:03Loading the last
49:04Two forward boats
49:05A large crowd of men
49:09Were pressing
49:09To get into them
49:10Though there were
49:11Many crew
49:12And men
49:13Lined up with
49:14Apparently
49:15Not a thought
49:16At attempting to board
49:17The boats
49:18Without orders
49:19I saw Bruce
49:24Ismay
49:25Who
49:25Had been assisting
49:27In loading the last boat
49:29Push his way into it
49:32Really was every man
49:40For himself
49:41Bruce Ismay
49:46Decides to save himself
49:48He is about the only man
49:50On board
49:51Who can't be ordered
49:52Out of that spot
49:53By any of the remaining crew
49:55You were one of those
50:02As the managing director
50:04Responsible for determining
50:05The number of lifeboats
50:07Yes
50:08In conjunction with
50:09These shipbuilders
50:10When you got into the boat
50:13You thought that
50:13The Titanic was sinking
50:15I did
50:16Did you know
50:17That there were
50:17Some hundreds of people
50:18On that ship
50:19Yes
50:20Who must go down
50:22With her
50:22Yes
50:24I did
50:25Has it occurred to you
50:31That you
50:31As the responsible
50:33Managing director
50:34Deciding the number of boats
50:36Owed your life
50:37To every other person
50:39On that ship
50:39It has not
50:41I have searched my mind
50:44With the deepest care
50:45I'm sure
50:47I did nothing
50:48That I shouldn't have done
50:49My conscience is clear
50:51I took a chance of escape
50:54When it came to me
50:55I did not seek it
50:57It is true
50:59I am president of the company
51:01But I didn't consider myself
51:03Any different
51:03From the rest of the passengers
51:04I took no other man's place
51:08I took no man's place
51:18This is palpably untrue
51:21But I think he must believe it
51:24I think that Bruce Ismay
51:26Comes from a class of society
51:29Who believes that they have
51:32Everything they have
51:33Because of grit
51:34And character
51:36I mean it's like
51:37Being a billionaire
51:38Today in a world
51:39Of hungry people
51:40The only way
51:41You can live with yourself
51:42Is to imagine
51:44That you deserve it
51:45In some way
51:46And so
51:48I think that
51:49Bruce Ismay
51:50Believes
51:51Contrary to all
51:54Rational fact
51:55That he hasn't
51:57Taken someone else's place
51:58Even though
51:59He really must know
52:00Internally that he has
52:01There was a terrible crowd
52:17Standing about
52:18The officer in charge
52:25Pointed a revolver
52:27Waved his hand
52:28And said that
52:28If any man
52:29Tried to get in
52:31He'd shoot him on the spot
52:33If any man tries to enter
52:34I will shoot
52:35Two men tried to break through
52:39And he shot them both
52:40I saw him shoot them
52:50I saw them lying
52:53One seemed to be dead
52:57The other was trying to pull himself
53:00Up at the side of the deck
53:01But he couldn't
53:02I tried to get to the boat myself
53:07But was afraid
53:09I would be shot
53:10And stayed back
53:13When we rode away from the Titanic
53:33My face was towards the sinking steamer
53:37The things that I saw
53:46I'll
53:46Never forget
53:49I saw an officer
53:56Shoot himself
54:00Through the temple
54:02With a revolver
54:03The story of the officer shooting himself
54:15Is contested
54:17Even the name of the officer
54:19Is in dispute
54:20You're meant to help others
54:22Not shoot them
54:23And you're certainly not meant to shoot yourself
54:24When you make a mistake
54:26I saw the officer himself
54:31Lying on the deck
54:32They told me he shot himself
54:36It's not a line of inquiry
54:39That is pursued
54:40And I think that is because
54:42In Edwardian society
54:44There is such a taboo
54:46Around death by suicide
54:48It looks like the easy way out
54:52Though it can hardly have been so
54:54It suggests that the people who did it
54:59Have failed that test of being an Edwardian man
55:02Which is to demonstrate heroicism
55:05And courage
55:07And stoicism
55:08In the face of disaster
55:11Death stares everyone in the face
55:38Some will escape
55:40Some won't
55:41Jack Phillips
55:45He's young
55:46But he's responsible
55:48He's self-reliant
55:50He thinks he's going to die
55:53And so he decides to die
55:56Doing his best
55:57For everyone else
55:59Phillips clung on for about ten minutes
56:04After the captain had released him
56:06I learned to love him that night
56:15I suddenly felt for him
56:19A great reverence
56:22To see him
56:22Standing there
56:24Sticking to his work
56:25While everybody else was raging about
56:28I will never forget the
56:36Work of Phillips
56:38For those last
56:39Awful minutes
56:41He was a brave man
56:48People find themselves facing this life or death moment
56:57Together
56:57Titanic broke in two before my eyes
57:01Striking water
57:03It was like a thousand knives
57:05Being driven into one's body
57:07To die slowly
57:10Within a shot
57:11Of people who might save your life
57:13There's a particular cruelty to that
57:15They banked
57:34To the sun
57:35Who's living
57:36The night
57:36Who's living
57:38Can't you
57:38Can't you
57:39Ask hope
57:40You
57:40Trust
57:40Your
57:42point
57:42Transcription by CastingWords
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