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00:00Hey, I've never had like a game for Dakota, ever.
00:06Really?
00:07She's lying, she's freaking lying.
00:09I'm not lying.
00:10You also told me that you kept inviting him over
00:13to your house.
00:15I literally would've only invited him over
00:16to let him talk to me and to cry it out or whatever.
00:20Cry it out and then fuck.
00:23No, no.
00:25I'm telling you, I would never even go there.
00:27I would never.
00:28Well, you should've never sent him the picture.
00:30I would never, you're right.
00:31You should've, that is so inappropriate.
00:33I actually wish that you would've did that
00:36to my husband instead of my own daughter.
00:39I never had interest in Dakota, I did a stupid thing.
00:42You're a shitty friend.
00:44You're running my appointment.
00:46Okay.
00:47Okay, thank you.
00:48Bye.
00:50Clearly she remembers his memory loss.
00:52She's freaking lying.
00:53She's Dory.
00:54She's lying, she's just like Dakota.
00:56She is.
00:57I mean, you could hear her lie, like it's funny.
00:59I know, she's stumbling on her work.
01:00I do, I just, I, no, shut up.
01:05We can hear your lying, just say it.
01:07It's giving me a headache.
01:09Hi.
01:10He was asleep until I picked him up.
01:12Ah, hello.
01:14After a stagecoach, I did have like a sliver of hope maybe for us.
01:20But now that this came out, I feel very foolish.
01:24I can't help to think of the quote, like, fool me once, shame on you.
01:27Fool me twice, shame on me.
01:29My mom, my dad, my entire family hates Dakota now.
01:32This is the nail in the coffin.
01:33No matter how much I wanted this, I will never settle for that, ever.
01:38I dropped off Dakota from your house, and he was like, he thinks you guys could get there.
01:46I said, you will never get there.
01:47You guys need to be done, because you will always question him.
01:50He's always going to question you, and there's just too much damage there.
01:54He like, makes me feel like it's my fault.
01:56Well, of course, that's what narcissists do.
01:59We know that you have faults.
02:02We all have faults.
02:03But the thing is, it's like every freaking week, it's something new, and it all comes
02:08from his end.
02:09With everything that comes out of his mouth, it's like, one right after another, he's the
02:14common denominator.
02:15Like, I think you just deserve so much better.
02:18Yeah, you deserve happiness.
02:19Dakota's not it.
02:20You haven't been happy for three years.
02:22Yeah.
02:23I don't think any mom wants to be alone.
02:26With three children, I want change.
02:28Like, I want out of this toxic cycle, because at this point, I've seen enough betrayal and
02:33lies that I don't want things to get messy when it comes to co-parenting.
02:36I can't do this.
02:37Like, I can't live like this anymore.
02:58Try me, you receive, I'll bring you to your knees.
03:02Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:04Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:05Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:06Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:07Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:08Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:09Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:10Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:11Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:12Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:13Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:14Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:15Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:16Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:17Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:18Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:19Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:20Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:21Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:22Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:23Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:24Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:25Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:26you can live a life so fabulous all day all day so fabulous with the one you love so
03:42hello with the one you trust so happy birthday thank you so much don't want to like take up
03:49too much of your day i just wanted to kind of debrief a little bit on this weekend oh yeah
03:55how are you feeling press was horrendous yeah that was that was very unprofessional what
04:02happened with you and marciano nothing nothing happened on my end
04:06um well apparently i have a cease and desist against me so i'm not able to talk on that
04:14pull it up it's not hard i mean it was such an awkward weekend like all of you are treating
04:19me this way and like being so bitchy towards me without knowing what you're talking about and
04:27having all the facts i'm just feeling overall just like ostracized from the group definitely
04:32taken aback by how cold everyone was during press and i just overnight became this liar and villain
04:41yeah that hurt i think you know it took you to get to a very vulnerable place
04:48for me to understand let me say this listening to taylor talk about how she was like you know what
04:56vulnerability comes at a price if you're going to open up this way like you're opening up your life
05:02to scrutiny and to like opinions right it's a lot it's a lot to be like watch and then you're judged
05:08for it and not that i really like cared there's a point but like it's just heavy it's really heavy
05:14i'm kind of in a similar position and i know how that feels and that sucks and it it was the first
05:21time in a while with taylor where i was kind of like you know what i feel bad i am jealous of taylor
05:26and the grace that she's given while going through all the hard things that she's going through
05:32and feeling like i haven't been given that same understanding but there's a level to which
05:38i fault myself because i'm not as open and i do suppress a lot of my trauma that could be
05:45helping and benefiting others by sharing that so yeah that's something that i'm really working
05:49through right now because that's harder for me well how do you feel about just putting all of this
05:54to rest i'm willing to you know squash whatever i can simply because i'm like i i do understand i
06:04haven't been there to defend myself and you haven't heard my side so i get that and i'll give
06:09you grace for that what if i invited all the women would you feel comfortable then i like that idea
06:16let's all get together to talk in my mind i'm like that seems like the only solution i just need to
06:23apologize for my part like going with zero expectations i mean i think that's great i think
06:29that you do care so deeply and it can you know make it hurt more that's that's what sucks because
06:36then making up is that much more vulnerable agreed because if it's not received or it's not
06:44um taken in the way you intended then it just feels like a slap in the face you know
06:50oh my gosh this is looking so good i love it today i'm having a grand opening event for my school
07:13jay-z academy when the marciano scandal first came out i was so terrified that it was going to ruin
07:18my image my businesses take away jobs from people i was really spiraling and just being in this moment
07:25i'm so grateful and it really does show that if you are willing to own your mistakes and get better
07:30and get stronger the people that you love will stick by you joby things out of your mouth
07:35even though things with jordan and i have been super up and down the end of our 90-day separation is
07:42coming up and we need to make a decision soon and if it was up to jordan we would have been back
07:46together already so i'm feeling a lot of pressure and i'm not sure what i'm going to do yet
07:50it looks amazing in here
08:00oh my god this is beautiful i feel like i have like imposter syndrome right now i'm like am i
08:10supposed to be here but i love doing stuff like this with the girls it reminds me and hopefully
08:17them like why we became friends in the first place if people would just sit down and have those
08:22hard conversations shed some light on each other's perspectives we might be unstoppable
08:27okay question would you have a conversation with demene you know i don't like her i know
08:33but it's like i felt like you were starting to see what we were all seeing at the reunion and then
08:38it was like complete 180 i see what you're seeing but i also think people aren't seeing what she's
08:44seeing she's never heard anyone else out so why don't you hear her out i just think like life is
08:48too short like this i know life is too short it is people shit damn it i am so desperate to get
08:57this group back together to what it was because look at everything that we've gotten because of
09:02this group the genuine friendships the love the support the empowerment and if we can't sit down
09:09and come back to what it was it's gone it's dead i guess i'm just hoping for the best like i
09:14literally just like one all just to go in a room and like hug each other and be like please can we
09:19all just feel the love like holy shit hello hello how are you how are you doing i'm so exhausted
09:31when i go to bed that i like fall asleep i get it and i know taylor gets it too you look good like
09:35they all do like props to you so i kind of had an idea and i wanted to know how you guys felt about
09:42it okay demi was open to just not i don't know if a discussion is the right word but like get to
09:47the bottom of this squash shit and move on i do feel like after the reunion i was able to see
09:54the side of whitney that i first became friends with and i honestly really warmed my heart to see
10:00her and michaela hug it out progress let's come on
10:03i'm not sure what demi's motivation is but i'm willing to hear whitney out for the greater good
10:11what is uh demi's like agenda overall i think she just wants to feel heard
10:17it's hard because i feel like she is so so good at digging herself out of a hole like she'll do a
10:21shitty thing and then be like well i did this shady thing because i think with demi she gets
10:26very defensive and then it turns into like attack but i would hope everyone could get to that place
10:33to share their feelings and feel heard and then same for demi yeah but demi also needs to listen
10:38i understand that i think the whole point of this is to get to the truth and like instead of the he
10:42said she said i agree like we're here to hear the truth and that's it yeah so and also if we don't
10:48hear any accountability it's gonna be the same as you or we're like why just show up then yeah
10:51i get it
10:53i get it
10:54be careful what you wish for
10:57might not be what you think it is
11:01be careful what you wish for
11:03be careful what you wish for
11:07play catch
11:09ready
11:11yeah ready
11:15go
11:16yeah okay there's mom
11:19Let's see.
11:21Come in.
11:22Hello.
11:24How are you?
11:25Good.
11:25How's it going?
11:26Good.
11:28I wanted you to help me look at, I did my mediation.
11:32You finally did it?
11:33Good.
11:34I'm so glad.
11:35Right now, I think it's very important for Dakota and I
11:38to come up with a concrete plan for custody
11:40in writing of what this is, what we are,
11:42and what happens from here on out.
11:44I actually don't even really talk to him
11:46when we do, like, pick up and drop offs.
11:48This is a plan for our child and his best interest.
11:51Well, Taylor, I'm glad that you took the initiative
11:54to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries.
11:58I have no choice.
11:59We're done.
12:01I was like, there's between you and I,
12:02there's things like obviously we've treated each other
12:04like shit, period, sure.
12:06But this is not about you and I.
12:08This is about my mom's friend.
12:09You not only screwed me over, you screwed over my family.
12:13But she treated you really good.
12:14I just don't know how he could not take responsibility
12:17for this whole thing.
12:18So are you going to still do the baby blessing?
12:23I'd like to.
12:24I mean, I wanted Dakota to kind of plan it out.
12:26But he's not even filming right now.
12:28He's not at all.
12:29He's refusing to film if we bring the story up at all.
12:32Oh, wow.
12:33Dakota and I had planned on having a baby blessing forever.
12:38But in the church we can't do a baby blessing without both of us signing off.
12:42And he is hiding away, which sucks.
12:46He says, we could have like handled this privately, like you didn't have to do this.
12:51And I'm like, you, he, I hate that he always says you don't have to, like, it's not your problem.
12:56It's his problem.
12:57Yeah.
12:58Do you think he'll be too embarrassed to show up because of all this?
13:01The blessing?
13:02Um, I don't know.
13:04I don't know.
13:05Hello.
13:06Hello.
13:07Hi.
13:08Wow.
13:09Oh, you got a cookie.
13:12You look amazing.
13:13You look so good too.
13:14Oh, thank you.
13:15You're so fancy.
13:17I think the future with Demi and I can't do it.
13:19I don't know.
13:20I don't know.
13:21I don't know.
13:22I don't know.
13:23I don't know.
13:24I don't know.
13:26I don't know.
13:27I don't know.
13:28I don't know.
13:29I don't know.
13:33I think the future with Demi and Mom Talk is just little baby steps.
13:38There needs to be some sort of intervention where we all can just join hands and press
13:43that reset button and people will listen to Macy.
13:46Like, people look up to Macy.
13:47I look up to Macy.
13:49And that's why I want to have a conversation with her, see what she's thinking about this
13:54idea.
13:55How are you doing?
13:56How's everything with your, like, St. George?
13:57We just bought a home.
13:58Are you excited?
13:59Um, I like feel like I can't fully be excited yet because it's completely
14:03being renovated.
14:04Oh.
14:05So it's been a little bit homeless.
14:06It's been chaotic.
14:07But it's like you're used to that.
14:09You're used to the chaos.
14:10I am.
14:11I love it.
14:12I'm like, this isn't chaotic enough.
14:13How can we mix things up a bit?
14:14How can we make it worse?
14:15Yeah.
14:16But speaking of things that are worse, I think that the chaos needs to settle.
14:19Yeah.
14:20It makes me so sad.
14:23Even though Taylor is the leader of Mom Talk, she's doing a lot of personal things in
14:26her life right now.
14:28I do think it's a good idea for Whitney and then me to head this intervention because
14:33she can represent Demi and I can speak for the girls and Jessie to hopefully bring peace
14:39back to Mom Talk.
14:40So what, I guess, do you suggest?
14:41I think everyone needs to feel heard and seen.
14:44I think Jen has some things to say.
14:46I would love some things to say.
14:48Sounds like Jessie has some things to say.
14:50Like, almost like a little testimony meeting.
14:53Oh, man.
14:54In the church, we have what's called testimony meeting, where people freely, willingly speak
15:00their peace.
15:01And while somebody is up there on the stand, the congregation isn't responding back.
15:06So I'm thinking that that's what might need to happen.
15:09Everyone else needs to shut up while that person is doing that.
15:14I'm worried about this.
15:15Really?
15:16I'm like, you don't know how.
15:17I have hopes.
15:18The girls feel very strongly is what I will say.
15:23It's a lot.
15:24But that's why I'm like, I think just let's just hear it straight from the source rather
15:28than the he said, she said.
15:29I completely get that.
15:30I think where everyone is hesitant is because Demi is so good at digging herself out of
15:35holes that they're like, is she actually genuine about this?
15:38Or is it like a way to like save face?
15:41Well, then that would be then to determine.
15:44Yeah.
15:45But at least we gave the person the opportunity.
15:48Yeah.
15:49You know?
15:50What do you think the agenda and the attention should be, though?
15:53It needs to be validate, listen, and speak your truth.
15:59Just as much as you want to be heard, you need to listen.
16:02If you don't want to be a part of it, there's the door.
16:06I do understand where Whitney is coming from, but if this intervention does not go well,
16:11then I worry that things will get even more hostile.
16:14And who knows what that means for MomTalk.
16:16I pray that Jesus is in the room with us.
16:18God will be the mediator that day.
16:19I'll let you lead the prayer then.
16:21In the beginning.
16:22I don't know if we need to pray.
16:23We need a seance.
16:25We need a seance .
16:26It's all go true.
16:28Bye.
16:29Bye.
16:30Bye.
16:32Bye.
16:36Bye.
16:37Bye.
16:38Bye.
16:39Bye.
16:40Bye.
16:47Bye.
16:49Bye.
16:50Bye.
16:51Bye.
16:52Bye.
16:53Bye.
16:54Bye.
16:55you go. Hey. Hey, what's up? Jordan and I are talking today and we're going to make a decision
17:05about what we want to do now that the 90 days are over. And I'm nervous. I don't feel quite
17:11ready to make this decision yet. I don't know if I'm ever going to feel fully settled in this,
17:16but I do know that prolonging the separation isn't going to do much. And I'm probably not
17:21going to get that feeling of clarity unless I try one way or the other. You know, now that we're
17:27done with this 90 days, this has made me like realize it's like truly how much I love you.
17:33Thank you. I want to make it work with you. Not out of, not out of necessity, but because that's
17:41what I want. Because I can't imagine my life without you. And I believe that we both deserve
17:49to put what's gone, what's happened behind us and, and try to move forward from it.
17:59Throughout this whole separation, like I've been in limbo of like really not knowing what I wanted.
18:04And I'm still scared. Like my biggest fear is that we're going to like move back in together and get
18:09back together and give it a chance. And it's just going to go right back to how it was. And that it's
18:13easy to just get comfortable and fall back into old patterns, you know? So I am really scared of that
18:18if I'm being honest. I personally feel like the things that I've needed to face that relate to
18:23some of my traumas from my past, I've faced and I've hit them head on and I'm able to begin to work
18:31through that. And obviously you have been as well. I had my first daughter when I was 18 years old and
18:38my ex and I decided that it would be best to get married because in Utah, that's what you do.
18:43You know, we were young and became incompatible, like, fine, we're done. Let's get divorced. And
18:50I just remember feeling broken and unlovable. You know, I think it's why I began to control
18:56everything that I could so that I wouldn't feel that way anymore. Before all of this, like, I didn't
19:02know why you would act certain ways or treat me certain ways. You didn't know why I would pull away
19:06and avoid things. And in therapy, we've uncovered that like a lot of your aggression comes from
19:11childhood wounds, being a dad at 17, 18 years old, taking on that responsibility. There's so much
19:17that I understand now about you and not that it makes your behavior okay, but it explains it. And
19:23I understand it now and it's changing, which is the most important part. And then with me, like my past
19:29relationships, like the things I've been through made me bury my emotions so much and it made me numb.
19:35And I feel like now for the first time since therapy, like I'm feeling things and I'm like crying
19:41more and I'm like actually feeling human instead of like a robot. So if we're both putting the work
19:47in, we deserve to give it a chance and put that type of effort in to see if those changes can be
19:53long lasting.
19:55And I'm willing to work through those things with you. You know, I want, I want our family to be whole again.
20:04I've seen how being avoidant has hurt my relationships. And in our culture, there is a lot of pressure to
20:12have like the perfect relationship, the perfect family and everything's great. And I think that it kind of taught
20:17me these patterns to go numb and avoid and pretend everything's okay. And if I'm going to make the marriage
20:23work, I need to drop that. And I'm willing to do that because Jordan has made so many changes and I
20:29want to make sure that I'm doing the same thing. So are you ready to officially move back in?
20:34I'm, I'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this and work on this.
20:43It'll be nice for you not to live in a hotel out of a suitcase. I know how hard that is.
20:47You have a washing machine again.
20:49Oh, thank God.
20:50You're doing your own laundry though.
20:51Are you going to mow the lawn?
20:52No, I'll hire someone.
20:55Okay.
20:57I love you. And I'm glad that we've been able to work through things.
21:08I feel like if I hadn't have done all of the therapy work we've been doing heading into this
21:16like intervention we're doing with mom talk, like I wouldn't have been able to handle it the right way.
21:20Like I would have probably, I've just been so angry at Demi. But I feel like now doing the
21:24self-work, I feel like I can face her in like a better way than I would have in the past.
21:29It's tough to like want to forgive her like with how disgusting what she did was.
21:34Yeah. I guess we'll see what happens. I'm a little nervous. Who knows? I have no idea how
21:38she'll come in. If she'll be angry, if she'll be normal. I have no clue.
21:41Oh, this is kind of cozy.
21:55Oh, this is so pretty. Hide all the glasses.
22:11Macy and Whitney worked their magic to get us all in a neutral space. I'm hoping that we can all
22:18hear each other out. Because the last time we talked was at Jessie's house and we all know how
22:23that went. Your bullshit lie about Jess? What lie? About the hair drama, you twisting that whole
22:29thing. It's all bullshit. That was true. No, it wasn't, Taylor. For me, I would love to get back to
22:36loyalty and love and friendship. How do you feel? I'm feeling oddly calm. I don't know if that's good
22:43or bad. I think that's good. How are we going to approach this? I don't know. I mean, I have lots
22:53of things and words, so I need to say, but I honestly don't know what to expect from Demi. I don't know
23:00if she's going to come in guns blazing or sorry or remorseful. I truly don't know. I'm just going in
23:06to it with an open mind. Hello. Hi. Oh my gosh, there's a pool. I'm going swimming. It looks yummy
23:14though. Are you guys okay to finish setting up? Yeah. Yeah. Because I wanted to pull you to chat.
23:19Yeah, we're good. Okay. Perfect. Okay. I thought we could go outside. I'm choking on my food. I set up
23:26a little date. Oh no. Hi. Hi. I wanted to talk to you for a while. Okay. I'm curious how that
23:38conversation will go because I know Taylor wasn't too happy with her. Does she feel like she's like
23:42ready to take accountability? I think so. Okay. First and foremost, I want to apologize
23:50for how harsh I was and for kicking you while you were down and for taking a lot of what I was going
24:00through out on you because I genuinely was hurt with the CMA post. Obviously my reaction was not
24:07merited and I understand that. And what I did and how low I went was not okay. And how I talked to your
24:12mom, I apologize. And I want to have a conversation with her as well. Like that was not okay. But I did
24:18really feel hurt. And I've like had some time to really think about like why I think that there's
24:24like a deep betrayal wound there because I did feel like through our friendship, I had like reached out
24:29to you and like been there for you. It was the emotional unavailability that I felt like I was
24:33getting from you that like hurt me. And it's not an excuse. Like how I reacted wasn't okay. It was an
24:39overreaction like beyond. I definitely felt triggered by Taylor and it made me realize how much my
24:46childhood had really shaped me. My brother has down syndrome and he was born with lots of
24:51complications. And a lot of people talk about the glass child syndrome where you grow up with a child
24:58in your family that gets a lot of the attention and their needs like come first. And I'm learning
25:04that to feel like I can't take up space. That alone is a trauma response. There was so much more
25:09happening behind closed doors that like, you know, elicited a huge response in a lot of
25:16situations. Yeah. It triggered all the beliefs of like, I don't matter. You're not worthy of
25:22friendship. People don't see that struggle and they don't see that battle. But that's been like a very
25:28real thing for me. Now I fully understand like watching you go through what you were going through
25:32with Dakota. I admittedly did not know the extent of that. Yeah. I think, I think you probably know
25:38a little bit. I think most people don't know the extent, especially being upset with you. That's
25:42the key component, because I think if that information had come to me, I would have handled
25:47it differently. And even like seeing you in LA again and watching the show back to like really
25:52recognize that. So I apologize because that wasn't fair. And I have been rooting for you. I do support.
25:57I do want to see you win. I actually appreciate you saying all that. I was shocked.
26:04I understand the way you feel about me and you can come at me all day, but my mom had like
26:08nothing really to do with my issues that I created. That was hard just because I feel like a lot of anger
26:15was taken out on her and she wasn't the issue. Yes, she was defending me, but what mom wouldn't?
26:19Yeah. You know? Yeah.
26:20Demi's apology, I hope, is sincere. Experiences like this where you're isolated, alone can
26:28really humble you. I've been there. I appreciate you listening. Yeah. No, I appreciate you even
26:33saying sorry. Of course. And I mean it. Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate it. Pretty, by the way.
26:39Thank you. You do too.
26:44I definitely have some nerves going into today's meeting. I definitely see Jesse probably blowing
26:49up at Demi and vice versa. Worst case scenario, someone leaves with their extensions ripped out
26:55of their head. You've been pretty chirpy lately. I have? Mm-hmm. Oh. What are you on?
27:03I want to. What are you on? Um, I'm on a vibrate. Oh, what did she say? A vibrator. I mean, that's
27:11great too. We know that. I personally don't feel like I can trust Demi or Whitney. I think I still
27:18have a lot of boundaries and a lot of walls set up because I think mom talk has been so fragile
27:25for so long. It is so weird to think about how close to me and I were. We were like sisters. And
27:33to see how far we've fallen is very sad. Hey. Hello. What's up? Everyone, if you guys don't
27:42mind joining us in the couch area. If she's really truly willing to apologize, I can move on and let
27:48go, but I don't know what to expect. Okay. I have some notes here because we have a little bit of an
27:53agenda today. Clearly things are a little contentious. It's not how we started mom talk. It's not what mom
27:59talk stands for. So we want to maybe take steps today to improve that and maybe hope we can see eye
28:03to eye everybody. And I think we have a hard time interjecting when someone else is talking. So we've
28:10come up with an idea that one person will talk at a time. As soon as you've spoken your truth, you give
28:17it a good old snap. Let your light shine. Let your light shine. But again, this is to take
28:23accountability. Speak your truth. We're not attacking. That'll come later. I am going in with
28:31the intention to hear people out, to apologize and take accountability. But it's extremely difficult to
28:36feel like you want to be vulnerable with a bunch of people that you're sitting around and you're like,
28:40you haven't believed me. You think I'm a liar. I mean, I feel like I am getting the dagger eyes from
28:45everyone. And then Jesse's just like not even looking at me. Okay. I'm gonna take a leap of
28:50faith and hopefully set the tone for everyone to say what they want to say. I should not have gone
28:59first. Macy, I am so sorry for not attending your baby mama event. I did look up the definition of
29:09regret. And I do regret not being there for that. And I'm sorry. Michaela, I know that I've hurt you.
29:21And I know that we used to be best friends. I wasn't there for you. And I handled situations in our
29:27friendship very poorly. Taylor, you've given me so much grace. And I feel like I haven't given that in
29:33return. Lastly, I want to apologize to the group for my constant in and out, in and out. It's been
29:42hard staying when I don't feel like people care about my feelings, but I've been selfish and I want
29:49to be more selfless. Can we clap? Yeah. I'm like, is it church claps? Amen. Wait, you didn't break
29:57your glow set. Oh, okay. Oh, there we go. Oh, there we go. All right. Whitney was obviously very
30:07prepared and I appreciate your apology and everything that you said. And I'm sorry to
30:11everyone if I haven't always been there for you and you, Jen and Michaela too, when you're going
30:16through all your issues. I think like every single person is going through things and we don't
30:24realize that. We all want to be heard and loved and I love you guys. Thank you.
30:32I know it's hard. There you go. So strong. Yeah, last year was the hardest year of my life.
30:40There's so much I learned about myself and that is that I'm a people pleaser. There are many
30:45times where I have played the victim. There are many times where I didn't want to see someone
30:50else's perspective in that victim mentality. I just realized like that's not only hurting
30:58myself, but it's hurting other people. And I'm really sorry.
31:05When it comes to Jen, I'm really confused. I think it's fair to say that she owes me personally
31:11an apology for making it seem like I did something wrong with Marciano. I'll just straight up say it
31:17like she was literally playing truth or dare. I called her out for it. She gave me crap for it.
31:22And you know you screwed up. I don't feel like she's really trying to seek to understand where
31:27she went wrong and take accountability. So that's, yeah, disappointing and confusing.
31:32I probably have apologies to probably everyone in this room for the way I have acted. I did everyone
31:38dirty and I was alone and I felt like I deserved it in that moment. Everyone is going to eventually
31:44have this isolated moment. And I feel like just remember that because you're going to want that
31:49same grace. Oh, why is this for like mean girls? Yeah, like when they do their thing and then it's
31:55like, Hey, I just wanted to start by saying that, um, I think in this group, we've all been really
32:13close at one point or we've all been enemies at one point. When I first came into mom talk,
32:17I was very shy and I didn't want to like say my opinion in situations. And then I feel like
32:21recently I've like found my voice, but I've been kind of frankly overdoing it. You know,
32:26we need to give each other grace for everything we're currently going through. I really want to
32:30try our best to uplift each other. We're all going to be thrown curve balls and your friends should
32:34be there for you. And hopefully one day we can get back to like a more positive atmosphere.
32:39Cause this sucks ass, to be honest. And yeah.
32:42Good job. I was going to say you're the strongest one.
32:48Yeah.
32:48Yeah.
32:48Muscle. Muscle mommy.
32:52Okay.
32:55Okay.
32:57Gosh.
32:58I'll be okay.
32:59Let it out.
33:00I don't want to.
33:00I think we're all dealing with things that trigger us or that remind us of a wound that
33:14we have. And I feel like I've been projecting a lot. Miranda, when you first came in the group,
33:22I felt like I was so protective over Taylor because I didn't get that growing up. And same
33:28with Whitney to Macy. I felt so protective over Macy because I felt like you weren't being a good
33:33friend. And I felt like I had to protect her. And for that, I'm sorry. I was not trying to bully
33:39you or hurt you in any way. This last year, I feel like I've noticed the most change in my marriage,
33:47in my friendships. We all have our own past trauma and I'm trying to notice them.
33:53This is the first time me and Whitney have both apologized to each other.
33:57And meant it. And so I'm finally feeling hopeful for MomTalk that we'll finally get back to why
34:03we all started this and kind of the core values of what MomTalk was built on. So yeah, I'm excited.
34:11This is extremely uncomfortable being in this room for obvious reasons. It took me being on the out
34:27to understand what that feels like. But I'm sorry for my part. I'm sorry for overreactions. I'm sorry
34:34for acting out of anger, saying things that maybe I didn't mean or saying things that I meant in a
34:40harsh way. I'm hopeful that in seeking to understand one another that we can come back to
34:45a neutral place. And that's my, that's my goal.
34:49There you go.
34:55It's hard to say whether Demi is taking accountability because she genuinely sees what's wrong with her
35:01actions or because she has to. However, I do find a lot of the explanations still confusing. And I don't know
35:10that I buy all of it. This is Eve. Show them the butt. Her butt says MomTalk.
35:17So Eve is like the talking stick. You only get to talk if you're holding her.
35:22Let's just try to keep the vibes and the mood the same is the goal.
35:27Okay, you want to start?
35:28Yes. Okay, I wanted to thank Whitney for taking a lot of accountability. That was very shocking.
35:36It was something that we've been kind of waiting for from you. And so I want to say I'm proud of you
35:41for doing that. And also to me, we would like to hear from you and your side. Okay. There was a lot
35:48going on behind closed doors, some of which I opened up to some of you about. I think the biggest thing
35:54for me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly want
36:00to understand. There's a lot we didn't know. So it's hard to give that grace if we don't know. I think
36:05I get that because I explain and I'll tell them why I'm crying or struggling and it helps people
36:12understand it, you know? Totally. Marciano came on to me very strong. He was like expressing that like
36:18it was love at first sight and never once in a text message, in a phone call, never did I feel it for
36:26him. We've never kissed in our life. I've never even told him he was cute. Period. The end. But
36:32Marciano did sexually assault me. In my mind, I'm just thinking, walk on eggshells, play Kate.
36:40I think what's hard in that situation, you continue to talk to him. And I think that's
36:44no one saying that we don't believe you with what happened. I think we're all just confused.
36:48To me has made some crazy allegations about me, but why are you DMing me? Why are you giving me your
36:53phone number and proceed to have multiple hours of conversation and have a continued relationship
36:59after that? And then we were told not to say anything too. I never wanted to expose him.
37:04I never wanted to talk about this. I didn't want that. Like that was the reason of me being like,
37:09please, Jen, don't bring this up. This was a response to a pattern that stems from something
37:15so much bigger. And I haven't opened up and like shown that side of me. So I get the confusion.
37:22I understand that I've made missteps along the way and I'm sorry.
37:29When Demi feels the need to defend herself, she just like goes to a level 10. But she didn't in
37:33this moment. She was calm and was willing to be vulnerable. I'm very proud of her.
37:41Can I say something? Just being totally transparent. I obviously want to walk out here and be like,
37:46oh, I understand to me. Like I can see her. I want to move forward. But to be honest,
37:51I'm even more confused now.
38:03First, I just want to know what your intentions were DMing him, those inappropriate messages.
38:09The oyster ones? Yeah. So these are from Marciano's phone. She responds, it's no different than
38:15swallowing. Come. You have to understand seeing flirty messages and DMs. But not flirty on my end.
38:23No. Yes. Yes. No. Yeah. Well, it's the context and intention matters. But do you understand how
38:30that's kind of confusing that like the same man that you're saying assaulted you and no one's saying
38:34that he didn't do that. But it's like you're sending a message saying like, well, come. Like,
38:38that's just like, can I see that? It's just not making sense. Can I see that? Okay. Um,
38:43I think that all of us have experienced a trauma in our life. And I even think about Connor's trauma.
38:50And I don't understand why he did the things he did. I don't understand why you had to do what you
38:56did. And I may never understand that. But before this gets rogue, like we may never know the nitty
39:03gritty. And you may never understand that. Just to give context, like having him FaceTime
39:09as a nickname for him, sending him photos of those things for us were like alarming.
39:14Because if this guy assaulted you, why are you bringing your daughter into it?
39:17So in the first initial conversation that we had post Villa, I had him on speaker and was like,
39:22who's that? And I was like, oh, just a friend or whatever. And she was like, let me see.
39:26And she clicked FaceTime. I was like, oh, fuck. It wasn't FaceTiming Marciano, but this is my
39:31daughter. But then sending videos of her praying for him. And then she called him Martino baby. So
39:35she had a nickname. And then you said, that's going to be your name in my phone. She had no clue who
39:40Marciano was. But during the time when we found out about everything with you, there was a lot of
39:45phone calls. At this point, I'm like, okay, move into like, we're good. Like we're friends,
39:50just act like everything's normal. Pretend that didn't happen. Move past it because you were now
39:54focused on taking me down is how it feels. No, move past that.
39:57Why were there so many phone calls? Why? Why did you have to be involved?
40:01I think for me, it was just anger. And that's a sad excuse, but truly like feeling hurt about how
40:10our friendship had ended. And I'm sorry that I haven't been there for you. And I know you've
40:16been going through it. I told you that I would be the friend that would bury a body for you.
40:23And I meant that. And I know you maybe don't believe that my passion and my love and my loyalty
40:29is fierce. And that's why I feel so hurt when I don't feel like that's reciprocated.
40:35I think I've had a lot of resentment towards you because one of my like biggest wounds that I've
40:43uncovered in therapy is I've never felt good enough in anything. And I think the things that happen in
40:50our friendship, like contracts and hair, like it just really obviously brought those to the surface.
40:55Like, okay, I'm not good enough. Like, um, I felt like this group was my safe place for to have
41:00like the person that was my safe place do it too. It was just really hard.
41:05I feel like I still don't have clarity on the whole situation with Demi and Marciano behind the scenes.
41:11I don't know if he lied about us having sex, if she pressured him to lie. I don't know if I'll
41:16ever know. But at the end of the day, I just regret that we let a greasy man come in between us.
41:21I'm ready to drop the hostility and just start new.
41:27I think this is probably a good first step. I feel like everyone is very vulnerable and open.
41:32And one thing I do want to say is that never would I ever condone victim shaming. Like,
41:37as you know, I've been through my own shit. I would never want someone to not believe me,
41:41you know? And so I'm sorry if you felt that way at all. Thank you.
41:45Yeah. And I think at the end of the day, no one wants this hostility. I think all of us can say
41:50we want this to be cleared up. I feel like genuinely I want to be able to move past this.
41:54And no one's not believing you. No one's not like shaming you. We just we're just trying to
41:58we're just trying to add it all up so that we can move past this. Yeah. Thanks, everyone,
42:02for listening. And I'm sorry again for anything on my end. I understand from an outside perspective
42:11why all of this would be so confusing. Do I necessarily think that it's my responsibility
42:16to take on their confusion? No, I have dealt with this the best way that I've known how
42:20and hindsight is always 20-20. I think the main thing that I'm feeling sorry for is for getting
42:26involved when Marciano told me what happened with Jesse. That is something that I absolutely could
42:32have handled differently and I'm extremely sorry for. I'm sorry. I'm a fucking bitch.
42:38No, it's okay. I am too. No, you can't. I would say it is crucial for us to
42:46no longer live in this gray area of the Marciano and Demi situation. The only people that are ever
42:51going to know the truth of that is Demi and Marciano. So I'd like to just kind of move on.
42:56Mikaela, can we hug, please? If I say no, you're going to cry. No. I'm not going to cry. No, I'm not.
43:05Oh my gosh, my baby. It's so harsh. My baby doesn't like you. It got a breath and a cry if I hugged you.
43:11Sorry. Sorry. Triggering.
43:13Hello. This is so cute. Oh my gosh. Look at that.
43:22So cute. It looks so cute. Oh my gosh. Look at that. So cute. It looks so cute. Oh my gosh,
43:37he got scriptures. He's probably a little confused of what's going on. Are you ready for your big day?
43:44So today we didn't get the approval of the baby blessing from Dakota. So we just pivoted to a
43:50blessing of comfort and whatever blessing my dad thinks he needs. But I am happy that we're all
43:55coming together to, you know, celebrate my baby, regardless of what baby daddy wanted.
44:01Hello. I love this dress. You look beautiful.
44:03How are you? This is cute.
44:06Okay, let me see the teeth. Did you get... Oh, you got...
44:08This is awesome.
44:09All right.
44:09They look natural.
44:10Even though a lot of us girls aren't that active in the church anymore, it is nice to be able to come
44:14together and just kind of celebrate baby ever. In the church, men are the ones that hold the
44:18priesthood and they are the ones that are able to give blessings. So it's definitely kind of
44:23weird dynamic that Taylor's not allowed to do this unless Dakota's there, but he wouldn't even be able
44:28to do it because he's not worthy enough to do it. So now Taylor's dad has to do it. It's just a whole
44:32mess, but I think that it's something that should change. Will it change? Probably not.
44:37Hello. How are you? Good. How are you doing? Thanks for having us over.
44:42Yeah, of course. Hello. Hi. Good morning.
44:45I feel like we've heard every excuse from him about all these things coming out before. Like,
44:50I saw him swear on everything that there was nothing more with Jenna.
44:53Yeah, and behind closed doors, he's crying.
44:55He's saying things like that. I'm just kind of like...
44:58It's disgusting.
44:59If there was more that happened, Taylor, and I found out, I would be furious for him.
45:03It almost feels a little bit weird to be celebrating ever without his dad there.
45:09Telling Jesse Dakota's secret, at first I was so scared that it was going to affect our relationship,
45:16but he let me know that the truth set him free. And I still want to support Taylor and support ever
45:23the best way I can. And that's by showing up.
45:25Hi. Oh, you look amazing.
45:27You look cute. You look amazing.
45:29You're going to have this baby here?
45:30I know. Probably any minute now.
45:32My water could break any minute now. I'm not even kidding.
45:34Hello.
45:35Hey. Hello. How are you guys?
45:37Good. It's good to see you.
45:39Are we in the same dress?
45:40Did you tell us from Jagger's closet?
45:42No, she just was like, oh, Taylor's in that same dress and boy.
45:45Same dress. Hello, how are you?
45:47I'm sorry. He's a little creepy.
45:49Demi, Demi, Demi.
45:52This feels so awkward. It's so hard because I think
45:57everyone just wants to keep the peace right now and forget about the past.
46:00You guys help yourself with the food or drinks.
46:02So come and say hi to MomTalk.
46:04I need to say hi to everyone.
46:04Yeah. Come and say hi to MomTalk.
46:06But my gut is telling me everything is calculated.
46:10What's the first thing that a calculated person does? Damage control.
46:13It's like she's back for her own gain, for her own image, for her own sake.
46:19I definitely think she's a threat to MomTalk's foundation.
46:22I'm scared to be a part of MomTalk when she is around.
46:25Hey, guys.
46:34I need everyone's attention.
46:36Everyone's attention over here.
46:38I just wanted to say thanks to everybody. I think this is a big deal for Everett to know that when
46:43he gets older, he'll be able to see this, that we're supporting him. I'll just offer a word of
46:47prayer real quick. Thanks, Dad.
46:49Our Father in Heaven, we are grateful for the opportunity we have to gather today.
46:54We're grateful for the opportunity that we have to celebrate little ever.
46:58And we're grateful for his presence in our life and give us the direction and the guidance that
47:03we need. And these things we pray for in the name of my son, Jesus Christ. Amen.
47:06Amen, Dad.
47:09Love you.
47:09Love you, babe.
47:12Hey, maybe one day we'll get to have lasting hot.
47:16Do you guys want to do a TikTok?
47:19Absolutely.
47:19Someone set their phone. Whoever wants to do it. Perfect.
47:22I love it. I love it.
47:23I'm holding out hope for the group as a whole. I feel like everyone, for the most part,
47:28really did a good job at taking ownership and apologizing for the things that were necessary.
47:34The one person that I don't feel like did that was Jen. There was a lot of pointing fingers
47:39and not a whole lot of self-reflection, but I want to move forward with a lot more grace,
47:46humility, kindness. I hope that we are able to come back even stronger than before.
47:53The band is officially back together. This is our first TikTok in how long?
47:57It's been a long time.
47:58Did we do a vote?
47:58We're always physically right now in this moment.
48:00Let's take a vote.
48:02I don't remember. Leader has spoken.
48:03Can we vote because I need to know. We don't vote anymore.
48:09There is a part of me that doesn't think I can fully trust in me. What will she do next?
48:13Is this calculated? Is she going to betray me in the group again? I don't know if I can
48:18fully let her back in and time will tell. Ready, set, go.
48:24You're not getting it. It's not clocking to you. It's not clocking to you that I'm standing on
48:29business, is it? That's good. That's got cute. Perfect.
48:34We did it, guys. This is an iconic moment, guys.
48:47Hi. How you doing? Good. How are you? Good to see you.
49:08You as well. Thank you. That's very sweet of you.
49:12Case reached out and invited me to dinner to apologize for the way he's treated me in the past.
49:20I'm willing just to hear him out, but I'm like, what is he going to say?
49:23How you been? I'm good. Surviving.
49:27It's crazy. Yes, life is crazy, always.
49:30Well, I did want to say thanks for coming, considering the past.
49:36Going back to the Halloween party, I owe you a sincere apology about the way that I acted.
49:42I don't think in any situation it's okay to point and, like, be super condescending was
49:49not my proudest moment. People ask me about you and my opinion of you.
49:53You bring up the lowest point of my life, so I, in return, bring up the lowest point of yours.
49:58I will say, on my end, I came in already pissed as shit, so that probably didn't help.
50:04What's up with Dakota? How you guys doing?
50:06Oh. We're horrible. Really, like, it's been horrible. Like, I'm, like, we're done.
50:11You're done? It's just sad. Yeah, we're done.
50:13Oh. Yeah, do you remember, uh, my mom's friend from the gym?
50:17Oh, I saw her, like, a week ago. Yeah. Tell the bitch I said hi and that she's dead.
50:22Shut the fuck up. That's your mom's friend.
50:26It's my, like, basically family. No, that's, that's fucking insane.
50:31Thank you. If Chase says it's insane, then it must be insane, right?
50:34Yeah, yeah. It's like, I, yeah, it's gotta be way bad.
50:37Yeah. How are you and Kate?
50:39I mean, we technically broke up on Monday, but she, she's the one that actually called it off.
50:46Oh, we're gonna get so much shit for this, by the way.
50:48Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. Are you crazy?
50:52I mean, I got crapped for, like, following you back to Dakota.
50:56She's like, wait, why are you following Chase back?
50:58And I'm like, well, you follow, like, his girlfriend, like, Kate.
51:00Like, I'm like... Yeah, who cares?
51:02But he's like, but there's a history there. And he's like, well, I'm like, what history?
51:05And he's like, well, you guys all did weird shit in the shower.
51:09Oh, yeah, we had a pretty crazy run there for a little bit.
51:15Life's just crazy. I would have never thought we'd be here at a dinner.
51:18On a date. On a date.
51:24I want to see if you'll ever admit what you said to me at the gym.
51:28You want to have that combo?
51:29Just curious if you'd ever admit it. Thank you.
51:33About having feelings for you?
51:34I just remember, like, I think you're like, I feel like there's, I have some feelings,
51:39and I just want to get off my chest. And that's, like, how you said it.
51:44I do think that's kind of the nature of doing what we did, is that feelings can
51:49for sure develop.
51:49Well, they did develop.
51:52Honestly, Taylor, I always thought you were, like, one of the coolest people ever.
51:57It's one of the most social, fun, like, easy to be around people I've ever met.
52:03Chase kind of plays coy when you bring up him saying that you had feelings for you.
52:10He's a very charismatic guy, and I know, like, I'm a very flirty person.
52:14There's something, like, where it just flows naturally.
52:17Um, I don't know how to word it, because if I say chemistry, it's like,
52:20does that mean you like them?
52:27Should we kiss for all time's sake?
52:37Me?
52:54Uh, uh.
52:59Okay, ready?
53:16Ew!
53:18Are these disposable shorts?
53:20What?
53:21Your ass is out of shape.
53:22Are they coming apart?
53:24Hey, James!
53:25You can lower the float and your ball sack's about to show.
53:29Dad, that was too good.
53:31That was so funny.
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