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00:00Hey, I've never had like a game for Dakota, ever.
00:06Really?
00:07She's lying, she's freaking lying.
00:09I'm not lying.
00:10You also told me that you kept inviting him over
00:13to your house.
00:15I literally would've only invited him over
00:16to let him talk to me and to cry it out or whatever.
00:20Cry it out and then fuck.
00:23No, no.
00:25I'm telling you, I would never even go there.
00:27I would never.
00:28Well, you should've never sent him the picture.
00:30I would never, you're right.
00:31You should've, that is so inappropriate.
00:33I actually wish that you would've did that
00:36to my husband instead of my own daughter.
00:39I never had interest in Dakota, I did a stupid thing.
00:42You're a shitty friend.
00:44You're running my appointment.
00:46Okay.
00:47Okay, thank you.
00:48Bye.
00:50Clearly she remembers his memory loss.
00:52She's freaking lying.
00:53She's Dory.
00:54She's lying, she's just like Dakota.
00:56She is.
00:57I mean, you could hear her lie, like it's funny.
00:59I know, she's stumbling on her work.
01:00I do, I just, I, no, shut up.
01:05We can hear your lying, just say it.
01:07It's giving me a headache.
01:09Hi.
01:10He was asleep until I picked him up.
01:12Ah, hello.
01:14After a stagecoach, I did have like a sliver of hope maybe for us.
01:20But now that this came out, I feel very foolish.
01:24I can't help to think of the quote, like, fool me once, shame on you.
01:27Fool me twice, shame on me.
01:29My mom, my dad, my entire family hates Dakota now.
01:32This is the nail in the coffin.
01:33No matter how much I wanted this, I will never settle for that, ever.
01:38I dropped off Dakota from your house, and he was like, he thinks you guys could get there.
01:46I said, you will never get there.
01:47You guys need to be done, because you will always question him.
01:50He's always going to question you, and there's just too much damage there.
01:54He like, makes me feel like it's my fault.
01:56Well, of course, that's what narcissists do.
01:59We know that you have faults.
02:02We all have faults.
02:03But the thing is, it's like every freaking week, it's something new, and it all comes
02:08from his end.
02:09With everything that comes out of his mouth, it's like, one right after another, he's the
02:14common denominator.
02:15Like, I think you just deserve so much better.
02:18Yeah, you deserve happiness.
02:19Dakota's not it.
02:20You haven't been happy for three years.
02:22Yeah.
02:23I don't think any mom wants to be alone.
02:26With three children, I want change.
02:28Like, I want out of this toxic cycle, because at this point, I've seen enough betrayal and
02:33lies that I don't want things to get messy when it comes to co-parenting.
02:36I can't do this.
02:37Like, I can't live like this anymore.
02:58Try me, you receive, I'll bring you to your knees.
03:02Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:04Baby, can't live like this.
03:10I can't do that.
03:11You have to lose your knees.
03:13Baby goes up, me goes up, me goes up, in John.
03:14Baby goes up, me goes up, me in John.
03:17Isn't that bigger than anything, isn't that bigger than anything?
03:22What happens, it says that
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03:32you can live a life so fabulous all day all day so fabulous with the one you love so
03:42hello with the one you trust so happy birthday thank you so much don't want to like take up too
03:50much of your day i just wanted to kind of debrief a little bit on this weekend oh yeah how are you
03:56feeling press was horrendous yeah that was that was very unprofessional what happened with you and
04:03marciano nothing nothing happened on my end um well apparently i have a cease and desist against
04:11me so i'm not able to talk on that oh pull it up it's not hard i mean it was such an awkward weekend
04:18like all of you are treating me this way and like being so bitchy towards me without knowing
04:26what you're talking about and having all the facts i'm just feeling overall just like ostracized from
04:31the group definitely taken aback by how cold everyone was during press and i just overnight
04:38became this liar and villain yeah that hurt i think it you know it took you to get to a very vulnerable
04:48place for me to understand let me say this listening to taylor talk about how she was like
04:55you know what vulnerability comes at a price if you're going to open up this way like you're
05:01opening up your life to scrutiny and to like opinions right it's a lot it's a lot to be like
05:07watch and then you're judged for it and not that i really like cared there's a point but like
05:11it's just heavy it's really heavy i'm kind of in a similar position and i know how that feels and
05:18that sucks and it it was the first time in a while with taylor where i was kind of like you know what i
05:24feel bad i am jealous of taylor and the grace that she's given while going through all the hard
05:30things that she's going through and feeling like i haven't been given that same understanding but
05:36there's a level to which i fault myself because i'm not as open and i do suppress a lot of my trauma
05:44that could be helping and benefiting others by sharing that so yeah that's something that i'm really
05:49working through right now because that's harder for me well how do you feel about just putting all
05:54of this to rest i'm willing to you know squash whatever i can simply because i'm like i i do
06:03understand i haven't been there to defend myself and you haven't heard my side so i get that and i'll
06:09give you grace for that what if i invited all the women would you feel comfortable then i like that
06:15idea let's all get together to talk in my mind i'm like that seems like the only solution i just need
06:23to apologize for my part like going with zero expectations i mean i think that's great i think
06:29that you do care so deeply and it can you know make it hurt more that's that's what sucks because
06:36then making up is that much more vulnerable agreed because if it's not received or it's not um taken
06:45in the way you intended then it just feels like a slap in the face you know yeah
06:51oh my gosh this is looking so good i love it today i'm having a grand opening event for my school
07:13jay-z academy when the marciano scandal first came out i was so terrified that it was going to ruin
07:18my image my businesses take away jobs from people i was really spiraling and just being in this moment
07:25i'm so grateful and it really does show that if you are willing to own your mistakes and get better
07:30and get stronger the people that you love will stick by you joby things out of your mouth
07:35even though things with jordan and i have been super up and down the end of our 90-day separation is
07:42coming up and we need to make a decision soon and if it was up to jordan we would have been back
07:46together already so i'm feeling a lot of pressure and i'm not sure what i'm going to do yet
07:50it looks amazing in here
08:00oh my god this is beautiful i feel like i have like imposter syndrome right now i'm like am i
08:10supposed to be here but i love doing stuff like this with the girls it reminds me and hopefully
08:17them like why we became friends in the first place if people would just sit down and have those
08:22hard conversations shed some light on each other's perspectives we might be unstoppable
08:27okay question would you have a conversation with demene you know i don't like her i know
08:33but it's like i felt like you were starting to see what we were all seeing at the reunion and then
08:38it was like complete 180 i see what you're seeing but i also think people aren't seeing what she's
08:44seeing she's never heard anyone else out so why don't you hear her out i just think like life is
08:48too short like this i know life is too short it is people shit damn it i am so desperate to get
08:57this group back together to what it was because look at everything that we've gotten because of
09:02this group the genuine friendships the love the support the empowerment and if we can't sit down
09:09and come back to what it was it's gone it's dead i guess i'm just hoping for the best like i
09:14literally just like one all just to go in a room and like hug each other and be like please can we
09:19all just feel the love like holy shit hello hello how are you how are you doing i'm so exhausted
09:31when i go to bed that i like fall asleep i get it and i know taylor gets it too you look good like
09:35they all do like props to you so i kind of had an idea and i wanted to know how you guys felt about
09:42it okay demi was open to just not i don't know if a discussion is the right word but like get to
09:47the bottom of this squash shit and move on i do feel like after the reunion i was able to see
09:54the side of whitney that i first became friends with and i honestly really warmed my heart to see
10:00her and michaela hug it out progress let's come on
10:03i'm not sure what demi's motivation is but i'm willing to hear whitney out for the greater good
10:11what is uh demi's like agenda overall i think she just wants to feel heard
10:17it's hard because i feel like she is so so good at digging herself out of a hole like she'll do a
10:21shitty thing and then be like well i did this shady thing because i think with demi she gets
10:26very defensive and then it turns into like attack but i would hope everyone could get to that place
10:33to share their feelings and feel heard and then same for demi yeah but demi also needs to listen
10:38i understand that i think the whole point of this is to get to the truth and like instead of the he
10:42said she said i agree like we're here to hear the truth and that's it yeah so and also if we don't
10:48hear any accountability it's gonna be the same as you or we're like why just show up then yeah
10:51i get it
10:54be careful with your wish for when i be what you think it is be careful with your wish for
11:03be careful what you wish for
11:07be careful with your wish for
11:09gonna play catch ready
11:11Ready?
11:14Yeah, ready?
11:15Go.
11:17Yeah, okay, there it is.
11:19Come on, let's see.
11:21Come in.
11:22Hello.
11:24How are you?
11:25Good, how's it going?
11:26Good.
11:27Um, I wanted you to help me look at,
11:30I did my mediation.
11:32You finally did it?
11:33Good, I'm so glad.
11:35Right now, I think it's very important for Dakota and I
11:38to come up with a concrete plan for custody
11:40in writing of what this is, what we are,
11:42and what happens from here on out.
11:44I actually don't even really talk to him
11:46when we do, like, pick up and drop offs.
11:48This is a plan for our child and his best interest.
11:51Well, Taylor, I'm glad that you took the initiative
11:54to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries.
11:58I had no choice.
11:59We're done.
12:01I was like, there's between you and I,
12:02there's things, like, obviously,
12:04we've treated each other like shit, period, sure.
12:06But this is not about you and I.
12:08This is about my mom's friend.
12:09You're not only screwed me over,
12:10you screwed over my family, okay?
12:12Yeah.
12:13But she treated you really good.
12:14I just don't know how he could not take responsibility
12:17for this whole thing.
12:19So, are you gonna still do the baby blessing?
12:23I'd like to.
12:24I mean, I wanted Dakota to kind of plan it out,
12:26but he's not even filming right now.
12:28He's not at all?
12:29He's refusing to film if we bring the story up at all.
12:32Oh, wow.
12:33Dakota and I had planned on having a baby blessing forever,
12:38but in the church, we can't do a baby blessing
12:41without both of us signing off.
12:43And he is hiding away, which sucks.
12:46He says, we could have, like, handled this privately.
12:49Like, you didn't have to do this.
12:51And I'm like, you, he, I hate that he always says,
12:53you don't have to, like, it's not your problem.
12:56It's his problem.
12:57Yeah.
12:58Do you think he'll be too embarrassed to show up
13:01because of all this?
13:01The blessing?
13:02Um, yeah, I don't know.
13:04I don't know.
13:22Hello.
13:23Hello.
13:24Hi.
13:24Wow.
13:26Wow.
13:27Oh, you got a cookie.
13:28You look amazing.
13:29You look so good, too.
13:30Oh, thank you.
13:31You're so fancy.
13:33I think the future with Demi and Mom Talk
13:36is just little baby steps.
13:38There needs to be some sort of intervention
13:40where we all can just join hands and press that reset button.
13:44And people will listen to Macy.
13:46Like, people look up to Macy.
13:47I look up to Macy.
13:49And that's why I want to have a conversation with her,
13:52see what she's thinking about this idea.
13:54How are you doing?
13:55How's everything with your, like, St. George?
13:57We just bought a home.
13:58Are you excited?
13:59Um, I, like, feel like I can't fully be excited yet
14:01because it's completely being renovated.
14:04Oh.
14:05So it's been a little bit homeless.
14:06It's been chaotic.
14:07Yeah.
14:08But, like, you're used to that.
14:09You're used to the chaos.
14:10I am.
14:11This isn't chaotic enough.
14:12How can we mix things up a bit?
14:13How can we get worse?
14:14Yeah.
14:15But speaking of things that are worse,
14:16I think that the chaos needs to settle.
14:19Yeah.
14:20That's Jessie to me.
14:21It makes me so sad.
14:22Even though Taylor is the leader of Mom Talk,
14:25she's doing a lot of personal things in her life right now.
14:27And so I do think it's a good idea for Whitney
14:30and then me to head this intervention
14:33because she can represent Demi
14:35and I can speak for the girls and Jessie
14:37and to hopefully bring peace back to Mom Talk.
14:40So what, I guess, do you suggest?
14:41I think everyone needs to feel heard and seen.
14:44I think Jen has some things to say.
14:46I would love some things to say.
14:48Sounds like Jessie has some things to say.
14:50Like, almost like a little testimony meeting.
14:52Oh, man.
14:54In the church, we have what's called testimony meeting
14:57where people freely, willingly speak their peace.
15:01And while somebody is up there on the stand,
15:04the congregation isn't responding back.
15:06So I'm thinking that that's what might need to happen.
15:09Everyone else needs to shut up while that person is doing that.
15:13I'm worried about this.
15:15Really?
15:16I'm like, you don't know how.
15:18I have hopes.
15:19The girls feel very strongly is what I will say.
15:23It's a lot.
15:24But that's why I'm like, I think just let's just hear it straight from the source
15:28rather than the he said, she said.
15:30I completely get that.
15:31I think where everyone is hesitant is because Demi is so good at digging herself out of holes
15:36that they're like, is she actually genuine about this?
15:38Or is it like a way to like save face?
15:41Well, then that would be them to determine.
15:44Yeah.
15:45But at least we gave the person the opportunity.
15:48Yeah.
15:49You know?
15:50What do you think the agenda and the attention should be though?
15:53It needs to be validate, listen, and speak your truth.
15:59Just as much as you want to be heard, you need to listen.
16:02If you don't want to be a part of it, there's the door.
16:06I do understand where Whitney is coming from, but if this intervention does not go well,
16:11then I worry that things will get even more hostile.
16:14And who knows what that means for MomTalk.
16:16I pray that Jesus is in the room with us.
16:18God will be the mediator.
16:19I'll let you lead the prayer then in the beginning.
16:22I don't know if we need to pray.
16:23I need to say I just got a try.
16:28Until the storm.
16:31Bye.
16:40My heart is on the floor.
16:40Now I gotta close the door.
16:43Now can I let you?
16:45How do I let you go?
16:47I know it's over, how I get over.
16:51Hey. Hey. What's up?
17:03Jordan and I are talking today, and we're going to make a decision about what we want to do now
17:07that the 90 days are over. And I'm nervous. I don't feel quite ready to make this decision yet.
17:12I don't know if I'm ever going to feel fully settled in this, but I do know that prolonging
17:19the separation isn't going to do much, and I'm probably not going to get that feeling of clarity
17:23unless I try one way or the other. You know, now that we're done with this 90 days,
17:29this has made me realize truly how much I love you. Thank you.
17:35I want to make it work with you. Not out of necessity, but because that's what I want.
17:43Because I can't imagine my life without you. And I believe that we both deserve
17:49to put what's gone, what's happened behind us, and try to move forward from it.
17:59Throughout this whole separation, like, I've been in limbo of, like, really not knowing what I wanted,
18:04and I'm still scared. Like, my biggest fear is that we're going to, like, move back in together
18:09and get back together and give it a chance, and it's just going to go right back to how it was,
18:13and that it's easy to just get comfortable and fall back into old patterns, you know?
18:16So I am really scared of that, if I'm being honest.
18:19I personally feel like the things that I've needed to face that relate to some of my traumas
18:24from my past, I've faced, and I've hit them head on, and I'm able to begin to work through that.
18:32And obviously, you have been as well.
18:34I had my first daughter when I was 18 years old, and my ex and I decided that it would be best
18:40to get married, because in Utah, that's what you do. You know, we were young and became
18:46uncompatible, like, fine, we're done. Let's get divorced. And I just remember feeling broken
18:52and unlovable. You know, I think it's why I began to control everything that I could so that I
18:58wouldn't feel that way anymore.
18:59Before all of this, like, I didn't know why you would act certain ways or treat me certain ways.
19:04You didn't know why I would pull away and avoid things. And in therapy, we've uncovered that,
19:09like, a lot of your aggression comes from childhood wounds, being a dad at 17, 18 years old,
19:14taking on that responsibility. There's so much that I understand now about you. And not that
19:19it makes your behavior okay, but it explains it, and I understand it now, and it's changing,
19:25which is the most important part.
19:26And then with me, like, my past relationships, like, the things I've been through made me bury
19:33my emotions so much, and it made me numb. And I feel like now, for the first time since therapy,
19:38like, I'm feeling things, and I'm, like, crying more, and I'm, like, actually feeling human instead
19:44of, like, a robot. So if we're both putting the work in, we deserve to give it a chance and put that
19:50time and effort in to see if those changes can be long-lasting.
19:58And I'm willing to work through those things with you. You know, I want, I want our family to be
20:02whole again.
20:04I've seen how being avoidant has hurt my relationships, and in our culture, there is a
20:11lot of pressure to have, like, the perfect relationship, the perfect family, and everything's
20:15great. And I think that it kind of taught me these patterns to go numb and avoid and pretend
20:20everything's okay. And if I'm going to make the marriage work, I need to drop that. And I'm
20:25willing to do that because Jordan has made so many changes, and I want to make sure that I'm doing
20:30the same thing. So are you ready to officially move back in? I'm, I'm over the moon about having
20:37a chance to take another stab at this and work on this. It'll be nice for you not to live in a hotel
20:45out of a suitcase. I know how hard that is. You have a washing machine again. Oh, thank God.
20:50You're doing your own laundry, though. Are you going to mow the lawn? No. Oh. I'll hire
20:53someone. Okay. I love you, and I'm glad that we've been able to work through things.
21:00I feel like if I hadn't have done all of the therapy work we've been doing, heading into this,
21:16like, intervention we're doing with MomTalk, like, I wouldn't have been able to handle it the right
21:20way. Like, I would have probably, I've just been so angry at Demi. But I feel like now doing the
21:24self-work, I feel like I can face her in, like, a better way than I would have in the past.
21:29It's tough to, like, want to forgive her, like, with how disgusting what she did was. Like,
21:34Yeah. I guess we'll see what happens. I'm a little nervous. Who knows? I have no idea how
21:38she'll come in. If she'll be angry, if she'll be normal. I have no clue.
21:41Oh, this is kind of cozy. This is so pretty. Hide all the
22:11glasses. Macy and Whitney worked their magic to get us all in a neutral space. I'm hoping that we
22:18can all hear each other out. Because the last time we talked was at Jessie's house, and we all know
22:23how that went. Your bullshit lie about Jess? What lie? About the hair drama? You twisting that
22:29whole thing? It's all bullshit. That was true. No, it wasn't, Taylor. For me, I would love to get
22:35back to loyalty and love and friendship. How do you feel? I'm feeling oddly calm. I don't know if
22:43that's good or bad. I think that's good. How are we going to approach this? I don't know. I mean,
22:52I have lots of things and words, so I need to say, but we'll see. I honestly don't know what to expect
22:59from Demi. I don't know if she's going to come in guns blazing or sorry or remorseful. I truly don't
23:04know. I'm just going into it with an open mind. Hello. Hi. Oh my gosh, there's a pool. I'm going
23:12swimming. It's looks yummy, though. Are you guys okay to finish setting up? Yeah. Yeah. Because I
23:18wanted to pull you to chat. Yeah, we're good. Okay. Perfect. Okay. I thought we could go outside.
23:23Um, I'm choking on my food. I set up a little date. Oh no. Hi. Hi. I wanted to talk to you for a
23:34while. Okay. Um, I'm curious how that conversation will go because I know Taylor wasn't too happy
23:40with her. Does she feel like she's like ready to take accountability? I think so. Okay. First and
23:47foremost, I want to apologize for how harsh I was and for kicking you while you were down
23:55and for taking a lot of what I was going through out on you because I genuinely was hurt with the
24:04CMA post. Obviously my reaction was not merited and I understand that. And what I did and how low
24:10I went was not okay. And how I talked to your mom, I apologize. And I want to have a conversation with
24:15her as well. Like that was not okay, but I did really feel hurt. And I've like had some time to
24:21really think about like why I think that there's like a deep betrayal wound there because I did feel
24:26like through our friendship, I had like reached out to you and like been there for you. It was the
24:31emotional unavailability that I felt like I was getting from you that like hurt me. And it's not
24:37an excuse. Like how I reacted wasn't okay. It was an overreaction like beyond. I definitely felt
24:43triggered by Taylor and it made me realize how much my childhood had really shaped me.
24:48My brother has down syndrome and he was born with lots of complications. And a lot of people talk
24:53about the glass child syndrome, where you grow up with a child in your family that gets a lot of the
25:01attention and their needs like come first. And I'm learning that to feel like I can't take up space.
25:07That alone is a trauma response. There was so much more happening behind closed doors that like,
25:11you know, elicited a huge response in a lot of situations. Yeah.
25:18It triggered all the beliefs of like, I don't matter. You're not worthy of friendship. People
25:23don't see that struggle and they don't see that battle. But that's been like a very real thing for
25:29me. Now I fully understand like watching you go through what you were going through with Dakota.
25:33I admittedly did not know the extent of that. Yeah. I think, I think you probably know a little bit.
25:38I think most people don't know the extent, especially being upset with you. That's the
25:42key component, because I think if that information had come to me, I would have handled it differently.
25:47And even like seeing you in LA again and watching the show back to like really recognize that. So I
25:54apologize because that wasn't fair. And I have been rooting for you. I do support. I do want to see
25:58you win. I actually appreciate you saying a lot. I was shocked. I understand the way you feel about
26:06me and you can come at me all day, but my mom had like nothing really to do with my issues that I
26:12created. That was hard just because I feel like a lot of anger was taken out on her and she wasn't
26:17the issue. Yes, she was defending me, but what mom wouldn't? Yeah. You know? Yeah.
26:20Demi's apology, I hope, is sincere. Experiences like this where you're isolated, alone can really
26:28humble you. I've been there. I appreciate you listening. Yeah. No, I appreciate you even saying
26:33sorry. Of course. And I mean it. Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate it. Pretty, by the way. Thank you. You do too.
26:40I definitely have some nerves going into today's meeting. I definitely see Jessie probably blowing
26:49up at Demi and vice versa. Worst case scenario, someone leaves with their extensions ripped out
26:55of their head. You've been pretty chirpy lately. I have? Oh, what are you on? I want to. What are you on?
27:06Um, I'm on a vibrate. Oh, what did she say? A vibrator. I mean, that's great too. We know
27:11that. I personally don't feel like I can trust Demi or Whitney. I think I still have a lot of
27:19boundaries and a lot of walls set up because I think mom talk has been so fragile for so long.
27:28It is so weird to think about how close Demi and I were. We were like sisters and to see how far
27:34we've fallen is very sad. Hey. Hello. What's up? Everyone, if you guys don't mind joining us in
27:43the couch area. If she's really, truly willing to apologize, I can move on and let go, but I don't
27:48know what to expect. Okay. I have some notes here because we have a little bit of an agenda today.
27:55Clearly things are a little contentious. It's not how we started mom talk. It's not what mom talk
27:59stands for. So we want to maybe take steps today to improve that and maybe hope we can see eye to eye.
28:04Everybody. And I think we have a hard time interjecting when someone else is talking.
28:10So we've come up with an idea that one person will talk at a time. As soon as you've spoken
28:16your truth, you give it a good old snap. Let your light shine. But again, this is to take
28:23accountability, speak your truth. We're not attacking. That'll come later.
28:27I am going in with the intention to hear people out, to apologize and take accountability. But it's
28:35extremely difficult to feel like you want to be vulnerable with a bunch of people that you're
28:39sitting around and you're like, you haven't believed me. You think I'm a liar. I mean,
28:42I feel like I am getting the dagger eyes from everyone. And then Jesse's just like not even
28:47looking at me. Okay. I'm going to take a leap of faith and hopefully set the tone for everyone
28:53to say what they want to say. I should not have gone first. Macy, I am so sorry for not attending
29:05your baby mama event. Um, I did look up the definition of regret and I do regret not being
29:13there for that. And I'm sorry. Michaela, I know that I've hurt you and I know that we used to be
29:23best friends. I wasn't there for you. And I handled situations in our friendship very poorly. Taylor,
29:30you've given me so much grace and I feel like I haven't given that in return. Lastly,
29:35I want to apologize to the group for my constant in and out, in and out. It's been hard staying
29:43when I don't feel like people care about my feelings, but I've been selfish and I want to
29:49be more selfless. Can we clap? Yeah. I'm like, is it church claps? Amen. Wait, you didn't break your
29:57glow stick. Oh, okay. Oh, there we go. Oh, there we go. All right.
30:05Whitney was obviously very prepared and I appreciate your apology and everything that you said.
30:10And I'm sorry to everyone if I haven't always been there for you and you, Jen and Michaela too,
30:15when you're going through, um, all your issues. Um, I think like every single person is going through
30:23things and we don't realize that we all want to be heard and loved and I love you guys.
30:28Yeah. Last year was, um, the hardest year of my life. There's so much I learned about myself and
30:43that is that I'm a people pleaser. There are many times where I have played the victim. There are many
30:48times where I didn't want to see someone else's perspective. In that victim mentality, I just
30:54realized like, that's not only hurting myself, but it's hurting other people. And I'm really sorry.
31:05When it comes to Jen, I'm, I'm really confused. I think it's fair to say that she owes me personally
31:11an apology for making it seem like I did something wrong with Marciano. I'll just straight up say it.
31:17Like she was literally playing truth or dare. I called her out for it. She gave me crap for it.
31:22When you know you screwed up. I don't feel like she's really trying to seek to understand where
31:27she went wrong and take accountability. So that's yeah, disappointing and confusing. I probably have
31:33apologies to probably everyone in this room for the way I have acted. I did everyone dirty and I was
31:39alone and I felt like I deserved it in that moment. Everyone is going to eventually have this isolated
31:45moment. And I feel like just remember that because you're going to want that same grace.
31:52Oh, why is this for like mean girls? Yeah. Like when they do their thing and then it's like, Hey,
31:56I just wanted to start by saying that, um, I think in this group, we've all been really close at one
32:13point or we've all been enemies at one point. When I first came into mom talk, I was very shy and I
32:19didn't want to like say my opinion in situations. And then I feel like recently I've like found my
32:22voice, but I've been kind of frankly overdoing it. You know, we need to give each other grace
32:27for everything we're currently going through. I really want to try our best to uplift each other.
32:32We're all going to be thrown curve balls and your friends should be there for you.
32:35And hopefully one day we can get back to like a more positive atmosphere. Cause this sucks ass,
32:40to be honest. And yeah. I was going to say you're the strongest one. Yeah. I'm like a muscle mommy.
32:52Okay. Okay. Gosh. I'll be okay. Let it out. I don't want to.
33:00Okay. I think we're all dealing with things that trigger us or that remind us of a wound that we
33:14have. And I feel like I've been projecting a lot. Miranda, when you first came in the group,
33:22I felt like I was so protective over Taylor because I didn't get that growing up. And same
33:28with Whitney to Macy. I felt so protective over Macy because I felt like you weren't being a good
33:33friend. And I felt like I had to protect her. And for that, I'm sorry. I was not trying to bully you
33:40or hurt you in any way. This last year, I feel like I've noticed the most change in my marriage,
33:47in my friendships. We all have our own past trauma and I'm trying to notice them.
33:53This is the first time me and Whitney have both apologized to each other.
33:57And meant it. And so I'm finally feeling hopeful for MomTalk that we'll finally get back to why we all
34:03started this and kind of the core values of what MomTalk was built on. So yeah, I'm excited.
34:11Um, this is extremely uncomfortable being in this room for obvious reasons. It took me being on the
34:27outs to understand what that feels like, but I'm sorry for my part. I'm sorry for overreactions. I'm
34:33sorry for acting out of anger, saying things that maybe I didn't mean or saying things that I meant
34:40in a harsh way. I'm hopeful that in seeking to understand one another that we can come back to
34:45a neutral place. And that's my, that's my goal. There you go.
34:50It's hard to say whether Demi is taking accountability because she genuinely sees what's wrong with her actions
35:01or because she has to. However, I do find a lot of the explanations still confusing and I don't know that I buy all of it.
35:11This is Eve. Show them the butt. Her butt says MomTalk. So Eve is like the talking stick. You only get to talk
35:21if you're holding her. Let's just try to keep the vibes and the mood the same is the goal. Okay, you want to start?
35:28Yes. Okay. I wanted to thank Whitney for taking a lot of accountability. That was very, um, shocking.
35:37It was something that we've been kind of waiting for from you. And so I want to say I'm proud of you for
35:41doing that. And also to me, we would like to hear from you and your side. Okay. There was a lot going
35:48on behind closed doors, some of which I opened up to some of you about. I think the biggest thing for
35:54me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly want
36:00to understand. There's a lot we didn't know. So it's hard to give that grace if we don't know. I think
36:05I get that because I explain and I'll tell them why I'm crying or struggling. And it
36:11helps people understand it, you know, totally. Um, Marciano came on to me very strong. He was
36:17like expressing that like, it was love at first sight and never once in a text message, in a phone
36:23call, never did I feel it for him. We've never kissed in our life. I've never even told him he was
36:30cute. Period. The end. But Marciano did sexually assault me. In my mind, I'm just thinking,
36:38walk on eggshells, placate. I think what's hard in that situation, you continue to talk to him.
36:43And I think that's no one saying that we don't believe you with what happened. We are,
36:46I think we're all just confused. To me has made some crazy allegations about me,
36:51but why are you DMing me? Why are you giving me your phone number and proceed to have multiple
36:55hours of conversation and have a continued relationship after that? And then we were told
37:00not to say anything too. I never wanted to expose him. I never wanted to talk about this. I didn't want
37:07that. Like that was the reason of me being like, please, Jen, don't bring this up. This was a
37:12response to a pattern that stems from something so much bigger. And I haven't opened up and like
37:19shown that side of me. So I get the confusion. I understand that I've made missteps along the way
37:24and I'm sorry. When Demi feels the need to defend herself, she just like goes to a level 10,
37:32but she didn't in this moment. She was calm and was willing to be vulnerable. I'm very proud of her.
37:41Can I say something? Just being totally transparent. I obviously want to walk out here and be like,
37:46oh, I understand Demi. Like I can see her. I want to move forward. But to be honest,
37:51I'm even more confused now.
38:03First, I just want to know what your intentions were DMing him, those inappropriate messages.
38:09The oyster ones? Yeah. So these are from Marciano's phone. She responds, it's no different than
38:15swallowing. Come. You have to understand seeing flirty messages and DMs. But not flirty on my
38:22end. No. Yes. Yes. No. Yeah. Well, it's the context and intention matters. But do you understand
38:30how that's kind of confusing that like the same man that you're saying assaulted you and no one's
38:34saying that he didn't do that. But it's like you're sending a message saying like, well, come. Like,
38:38that's just like, can I see that? It's just not making sense. Can I see that? Okay. I think that
38:44all of us have experienced a trauma in our life. And I even think about Connor's trauma. And I don't
38:52understand why he did the things he did. I don't understand why you had to do what you did. And I
38:57may never understand that. But before this gets rogue, like we may never know the nitty gritty.
39:03And you may never understand that. Just to give context, like having him FaceTime as a nickname
39:10for him, sending him photos of those things for us were like alarming. Because if this guy assaulted
39:15you, why are you bringing your daughter into it? So in the first initial conversation that we had
39:19post Villa, I had him on speaker and was like, who's that? And I was like, oh, just a friend or
39:24whatever. And she was like, let me see. And she clicked FaceTime. I was like, oh, it wasn't FaceTiming
39:30Marciano. But this is my daughter. But then sending videos of her praying for him. And
39:34then she called him Martino baby. So she had a nickname. And then you said, that's going
39:37to be your name in my phone. She had no clue who Marciano was. But during the time when
39:42we found out about everything with you, there was a lot of phone calls. At this point, I'm
39:46like, okay, move into like, we're good. Like we're friends. Just act like everything's
39:51normal. Pretend that didn't happen. Move past it because you were now focused on taking me
39:55down is how it feels. No, move past that. Why were there so many phone calls? Why?
40:00Why did you have to be involved? I think for me, it was just anger. And that's a sad excuse,
40:08but truly like feeling hurt about how our friendship had ended. And I'm sorry that I haven't been
40:14there for you. And I know you've been going through it. I told you that I would be the friend
40:21that would bury a body for you. And I meant that. And I know you maybe don't believe that
40:26my passion and my love and my loyalty is fierce. And that's why I feel so hurt when I don't feel
40:33like that's reciprocated. I think I've had a lot of resentment towards you because one of my
40:40like biggest wounds that I've uncovered in therapy is I've never felt good enough in anything. And
40:47um, I think the things that happen in our friendship, like contracts and hair, like it
40:53just really obviously brought those to the surface. Like, okay, I'm not good enough. Like,
40:57um, it felt like this group was my safe place for to have like the person that was my safe place do
41:02it too. It was just really hard. I feel like I still don't have clarity on the whole situation
41:09with Demi and Marciano behind the scenes. I don't know if he lied about us having sex,
41:13if she pressured him to lie. I don't know if I'll ever know. But at the end of the day,
41:18I just regret that we let a greasy man come in between us. I'm ready to drop the hostility and just
41:25start new. I think this is probably a good first step. I feel like everyone is very vulnerable and
41:31open. And one thing I do want to say is that never would I ever condone victim shaming. Like,
41:37as you know, I've been through my own shit. I would never want someone to not believe me,
41:41you know? And so I'm sorry if you felt that way at all. Thank you. Yeah. And I think at the end of
41:47the day, no one wants this hostility. I think all of us can say we want this to be cleared up. I feel
41:51like genuinely I want to be able to move past this and no one's not believing you. No one's not like
41:56shaming you. We just, we're just trying to, we're just trying to add it all up so that we can move
42:00past this. Yeah. Thanks everyone for listening. And I'm sorry again for anything on my end.
42:08I understand from an outside perspective why all of this would be so confusing. Do I necessarily
42:14think that it's my responsibility to take on their confusion? No. I have dealt with this the best way
42:19that I've known how and hindsight is always 20-20. I think the main thing that I'm feeling sorry for
42:25is for getting involved when Marciano told me what happened with Jessie. That is something that I
42:31absolutely could have handled differently and am extremely sorry for. I'm sorry. I'm a fucking bitch.
42:38No, it's okay. I am too. No, I'm good. I'm good. I would say it is crucial for us to
42:45no longer live in this gray area of the Marciano and Demi situation. The only people that are ever
42:51going to know the truth of that is Demi and Marciano. So I'd like to just kind of move on.
42:57Michaela, can we hug, please? If I say no, you're going to cry. No, I'm not going to cry. No, I'm not.
43:04I'm trying to think of a bit of an owl. Oh my gosh, my baby. It's so harsh. My baby doesn't like you.
43:09It got wrapped in handcraft. Sorry. Sorry. Triggering.
43:21God is with us. We are not alone. We are not alone. We are not alone. God is with us.
43:31Hello. This is so cute. Oh my gosh, look at that. So cute. It looks so cute. Oh my gosh,
43:37he got scriptures. He's probably a little confused of what's going on. Are you ready for your big day?
43:43So today we didn't get the approval of the baby blessing from Dakota. So we just pivoted to a
43:50blessing of comfort and whatever blessing my dad thinks he needs. But I am happy that we're all
43:55coming together to, you know, celebrate my baby regardless of what baby daddy wanted.
44:01Hello. I love this dress. You look beautiful. Hello, guys. This is cute. Okay, let me see the teeth.
44:07Did you get, oh, you got it? They look natural. Even though a lot of us girls aren't that active in the
44:12church anymore, it is nice to be able to come together and just kind of celebrate baby ever.
44:16And the church men are the ones that hold the priesthood and they are the ones that are able
44:20to give blessings. So it's definitely kind of weird dynamic that Taylor's not allowed to do this
44:25unless Dakota's there, but he wouldn't even be able to do it because he's not worthy enough to do it.
44:30So now Taylor's dad has to do it. It's just a whole mess, but I think that it's something that
44:34should change. Will it change? Probably not. Hello. How are you? Good. How are you doing?
44:40Thanks for having us over. Yeah, of course. Hello. Hi. Good morning.
44:45I feel like we've heard every excuse from him about all these things coming out before. Like,
44:50I saw him swear on everything that there was nothing more with Jenna.
44:53And behind closed doors, he's crying. He's saying things like that. I'm just kind of like,
44:57it's disgusting. If there was more that happened, Taylor, and I found out, I would be furious for you.
45:02It almost feels a little bit weird to be celebrating ever without his dad there. Telling Jesse Dakota's
45:11secret. At first, I was so scared that it was going to affect our relationship, but he let me know that
45:18the truth set him free. And I still want to support Taylor and support ever the best way I can. And
45:24that's by showing up. Hi. Oh, you look amazing. You look cute. You look amazing. You're going to have
45:29this baby here? Probably any minute now. My water can break any minute now. I'm not even kidding.
45:34Hello. Hey. Hello. How are you guys? Good. It's good to see you. Are we in the same dress?
45:40Did you tell us from Jagger's closet? No, she just was like, oh, Taylor's in that same dress
45:44thing. I'm sorry. He's a little cranky. Demi, Demi, Demi. This feels so awkward. It's so hard
45:54because I think everyone just wants to keep the peace right now and forget about the past.
46:00You guys help yourself with the food or drinks. Come and say hi to mom talk. Come and say hi to mom
46:06talk. But my gut is telling me everything is calculated. What's the first thing that a calculated
46:11person does? Damage control. It's like she's back for her own gain, for her own image, for her own
46:18sake. I definitely think she's a threat to mom talks foundation. I'm scared to be a part of mom talk
46:24when she is around. Hey guys, I need everyone's attention. Everyone's attention over here. I just
46:38wanted to say thanks to everybody. I think this is a big deal for Everett to know that when he gets
46:44older, he'll be able to see this, that we're supporting him. I'll just offer a word of prayer
46:47real quick. Our Father in heaven, we are grateful for the opportunity we have to gather today.
46:54We're grateful for the opportunity that we have to celebrate little Ever, and we're grateful for
47:00his presence in our life and give us the direction and the guidance that we need. And these things we
47:04pray for in the name of my son, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. It's dad. Love you. Love you, babe.
47:11Thank you. Hey, maybe one day we'll get to have lasting hot. Do you guys want to do a TikTok?
47:19Absolutely. Someone set their phone. Whoever wants to do it. Perfect. I love it. I love it. I'm holding
47:24out hope for the group as a whole. I feel like everyone, for the most part, really did a good job
47:29at taking ownership and apologizing for the things that were necessary. The one person that I don't
47:35feel like did that was Jen. There was a lot of pointing fingers and not a whole lot of self
47:41reflection, but I want to move forward with a lot more grace, humility, kindness. I hope that we are
47:50able to come back even stronger than before. The band is officially back together. This is our first
47:55TikTok in how long? It's been a long time. Did we do a vote? We're always physically right now in
48:00this moment. Let's take a vote. I don't remember. Leader has spoken. Can we vote? Because I need to
48:04know. We don't vote anymore. There is a part of me that doesn't think I can fully trust in me.
48:12What will she do next? Is this calculated? Is she going to betray me in the group again?
48:17I don't know if I can fully let her back in and time will tell. Ready, set, go.
48:22Okay. You're not getting it. It's not clocking to you. It's not clocking to you that I'm standing
48:29on business, is it? That was good. That was good. Cute. Perfect. We did it, guys. This is an iconic
48:36moment, guys.
48:45I was gonna be wild. You're best when I'm free. And you never understand what it takes to be mine.
48:53Oh, my God.
48:55Oh, my God.
48:56Oh, my God.
48:57Oh, my God.
48:58Oh, my God.
48:59Oh, my God.
49:00Oh, my God.
49:01Oh, my God.
49:02Oh, my God.
49:04Oh, my God.
49:05Oh, my God.
49:06Hi.
49:07How you doing?
49:08Good. How are you?
49:09Good to see you.
49:10You as well. Thank you. That's very sweet of you.
49:13Case reached out and invited me to dinner to apologize for the way he's treated me in the
49:20past. I'm willing just to hear him out, but I'm like, what is he going to say?
49:24How you been?
49:25I'm good. Surviving.
49:28It's crazy.
49:29Yes. Life is crazy. Always.
49:31Well, I did want to say thanks for coming, considering the past.
49:36Going back to the Halloween party, I owe you a sincere apology about the way that I acted.
49:42I don't think in any situation it's okay to point and, like, be super condescending.
49:48It was not my proudest moment.
49:50People ask me about you and my opinion of you.
49:53You bring up the lowest point of my life, so I, in return, bring up the lowest point of
49:58yours.
49:59I will say, on my end, I came in already pissed as shit, so that probably didn't help.
50:04What's up with Dakota?
50:05How you guys doing?
50:06Oh.
50:07We're horrible.
50:08Really, like, it's been horrible.
50:10Like, I'm, like, we're done.
50:11You're done?
50:12It's just sad.
50:13Yeah, we're done.
50:14Oh.
50:15Yeah, do you remember, uh, my mom's friend from the gym?
50:18Oh, I saw her, like, a week ago.
50:19Yeah.
50:20Tell the bitch I said hi and that she's dead.
50:23Shut the fuck up.
50:25That's your mom's friend.
50:26It's my, like, basically family.
50:28No, that's fucking insane.
50:31If Chase says it's insane, then it must be insane, right?
50:34Yeah, yeah.
50:35Yeah, it's gotta be way bad.
50:37Yeah.
50:38How are you and Kate?
50:40I mean, we technically broke up on Monday, but she's the one that actually called it off.
50:45Oh, we're gonna get so much shit for this, by the way.
50:49Yeah?
50:50Yeah, absolutely.
50:51Are you crazy?
50:52I mean, I got crapped for, like, following you back, Dakota.
50:56She's like, wait, why are you following Chase back?
50:58And I'm like, well, you follow, like, his girlfriend, like, Kate.
51:00Like, I'm like...
51:01Yeah, who cares?
51:02But he's like, but there's a history there.
51:03And he's like, well, I'm like, what history?
51:05And he's like, well, you guys all did weird shit in the shower.
51:08Oh, yeah, we had a pretty crazy run there for a little bit.
51:15Life's just crazy.
51:16I would've never thought we'd be here at a dinner.
51:18On a date.
51:19On a date.
51:20On a date.
51:21Yeah.
51:22I wanna see if you'll ever admit what you said to me at the gym.
51:27You wanna have that combo?
51:29Just curious if you'd ever admit it.
51:32About having feelings for you?
51:35Yeah.
51:36I just remember, like, I think you're just like, I feel like there's, I have some feelings,
51:39and I just wanna get off my chest.
51:41And that's like how you said it.
51:45I do think that's kind of the nature of doing what we did, is that feelings can, for sure,
51:49develop.
51:50Well, they did.
51:51Develop.
51:52Honestly, Taylor, I always thought you were, like, one of the coolest people ever.
51:57It's one of the most social, fun, like, easy to be around people I've ever met.
52:02Chase kind of plays coy when you bring up him saying that you had feelings for you.
52:10He's a very charismatic guy, and I know, like, I'm a very flirty person.
52:14There's something, like, where it just flows naturally.
52:17Um, I don't know how to word it, because if I say chemistry, it's like, does that mean
52:21you like them?
52:22There's nowhere left to take over.
52:27Should we kiss for old times' sake?
52:29Don't you float away.
52:34Try,ty,ty.
52:39,ty,ty,ty.
52:43More stuff like, let,ty.
52:44Ch beige I wanna see the sun come up...
52:48Make it through, is that I wanna see the sun come up...
52:51luxury I wanna see it's time come up...
52:59I'm missing the sun, come on, come on, come on, yeah.
53:05I wanna see the sun, come on, come on, come on, yeah.
53:13Okay, ready?
53:17Oh my God. Ew!
53:19God damn it, are these disposable shorts?
53:21What? Your ass is on.
53:23Are they coming apart?
53:25James!
53:26You can lower the float and your ball sack's about to show.
53:30Dad, that was too good.
53:32That was so funny.
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