American Monster - Season 13 Episode 05- Momma's Boy
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00:00Isn't that cute?
00:02Yeah, beautiful.
00:04Thank you for modeling for us.
00:06Grandma Vicki was always
00:08a huge ball of light.
00:12Everybody was welcome with open arms.
00:16Ryan was just a funny,
00:18cute kid.
00:20Nobody knows!
00:22But as he grew over,
00:24that's when trouble started.
00:26Vicki's fear was
00:30pretty intense, but her
00:32love for Ryan was also.
00:34Mom,
00:36for your own safety,
00:38get him out of that house.
00:40Lifetime worth of
00:42hate and anger.
00:44Just brutality
00:46and savagery.
00:56So that's her.
01:02I'm trying to remember what's in there.
01:04That's Debbie's.
01:06I know what's in there.
01:1255-year-old Vicki Burks
01:14is enjoying the festive season
01:16with her family.
01:18at my parents' house
01:20when my mom's handing out presents.
01:22Ryan is playing a game
01:24in the background,
01:26sitting next to my mom.
01:28When things like this would happen,
01:30like Christmas time and stuff,
01:32he kept to himself for the most part.
01:34Christmas was probably
01:36the most exciting time for Vicki.
01:38This purple baby girl
01:40has got my heart on it.
01:42Grandma really did love Ryan.
01:44So anytime the whole family was together,
01:46she was as happy as could be.
01:52Vicki is born in Bradenton, Florida
01:54in 1953.
01:56But when she is young,
01:58the family moved to Ohio,
02:00where she meets Martin Burks.
02:02Vicki went to Cumstall High School.
02:04And our first date was actually
02:06a Swedish day dance.
02:08Me and Vicki got married
02:10on July 17, 1971.
02:12I was 19
02:14and Vicki was 18 years old.
02:18It was a great day.
02:22Mike was born on November 26, 1971.
02:26Definitely exciting, you know.
02:28Brand new start.
02:30New house.
02:32New family.
02:34Jason was born in March 1976.
02:38And, uh, seemed good at the time.
02:46I believed she would always be like that.
02:50I wasn't the one that solved the problems.
02:52She did.
02:56It probably started around 1985.
02:58And it just developed from that point forward.
03:02But we got divorced.
03:04After that,
03:06she was seeing this young guy
03:08and she ended up marrying him.
03:12It wasn't very long.
03:14It took for Vicki to realize that
03:16things just weren't quite the way
03:18she had hoped they would be.
03:20Now, she's six months pregnant.
03:22She called me one day
03:24and made the comment that
03:26she just wasn't very happy.
03:28And I said, tell me what you want to do.
03:30I'll see what I can do to help you out.
03:32And we made arrangements
03:34for her to come back to Springfield.
03:38Vicki came back in 1986.
03:40In December.
03:42Come on, Mom.
03:43You're on camera.
03:44Hand and camera.
03:46We were just kind of happy
03:48to have my mom back
03:49and our parents back together.
03:51But when she moved back,
03:52she was already pregnant
03:54with my younger brother.
03:56Ryan was born on May 1, 1987.
04:00I was excited.
04:02I was happy that it was happening.
04:05I was 11 years old
04:07when Ryan was born.
04:09I was really looking forward
04:11to being an older brother.
04:13Dad took him
04:15and raised him as his own.
04:17It's May 1988.
04:20The family celebrate Ryan's first birthday.
04:23Ryan's sitting on my mom's lap.
04:26So they're just unwrapping presents.
04:29Can you get the hang of us?
04:31Yeah!
04:32But Vicki loved her sons tremendously.
04:36She really did.
04:37Oh, Vicki was quite protective of him.
04:42Because she felt like she was the only one
04:47that he had.
04:49I told Vicki that he's just like the other two boys.
04:55There'll be no difference.
04:57He called me dad all the time.
04:59Because, you know, I was there from day one.
05:01This was when we got remarried in Kentucky.
05:11I was excited.
05:13It was back together.
05:14We were happy.
05:16And now I got three kids.
05:20We moved into the house on Middle Urbana.
05:28That house, in my eyes, was my last home.
05:39The Burks family gathered
05:41to celebrate Jason's high school graduation.
05:44Check, check, check.
05:45Hello, Claire.
05:46All my family was there.
05:48My friends, my band at the time was there.
05:50It's time to wake up the neighborhood.
05:53My mom's in a good mood.
05:54She's excited.
05:55Her baby graduated.
05:57Oh, she was bubbly.
06:00Any music, you get her going.
06:04One of my friends come over
06:05that was trying to introduce me to somebody.
06:08That person would end up being my first wife.
06:11Mama Burks down there with her two sons.
06:14I'm going to bring her down the alley.
06:18And nearly three years later, in January 1997,
06:2220-year-old Jason ties the knot.
06:24Vicki was definitely excited about Jason getting married.
06:27It was a big deal.
06:29Mr. and Mrs. Jason Burks.
06:32Ryan didn't want his brother to get married.
06:35He didn't want him being with this girl.
06:38You know, she's invading my area.
06:41Actually, on the day of the wedding, he behaved.
06:47But he was only nine, see?
06:49He wasn't really acting up a lot then.
06:51But as he grew older, that's when trouble started.
06:56My first child, Christina, was born on March 29, 1999.
07:12Because my mom never had a daughter of her own,
07:15this was her chance to raise a girl.
07:18Say hi, Papaw.
07:21Yeah.
07:22And what happened to this one?
07:24Grandma's helped me open my presents.
07:26All of the gifts.
07:28Grandma absolutely spoiling us.
07:30Christina.
07:32Hi, Christina.
07:34Here's Ryan.
07:36Ryan was 11 years old when Christina was born.
07:40Being an uncle was one of the few things he actually cared about.
07:45I always thought of Ryan as, like, my big brother.
07:49My nickname for him was literally Uncle Bubba,
07:54because I couldn't say brother.
07:56And I followed him around everywhere, like a lost puppy,
08:00any time I was over at my grandparents'.
08:03In a way, it was me and Uncle Bubba
08:09against the world.
08:13Play it, Rye.
08:16Ryan wasn't super popular.
08:18He had some friends.
08:20Once he started hanging out with the wrong crowd,
08:23getting a negative reaction for him
08:25was his form of entertainment.
08:27Talking to yourself?
08:29No, I'm talking to him.
08:31If he could make you angry,
08:33he would laugh.
08:39When Ryan is 14 years old,
08:43he has his first run-in with the police.
08:46When I got home from work,
08:48I got a phone call from the sheriff's department.
08:51And they were holding Ryan.
08:54The deputy sheriff explains to us
08:57that these boys were in the press box
09:00at the football field at Kenton Ridge.
09:05They had gotten onto the loudspeaker
09:08and were shouting profanities
09:10for the whole neighborhood to hear.
09:13He had to apologize to the school for what he had done.
09:17He got a small climb.
09:20And he had to do community work.
09:24It didn't seem to faze Ryan.
09:26Didn't care at all.
09:29It was quite apparent how much different he was
09:32from the other two boys.
09:34I mean, it was like night and day.
09:36And it just kept getting worse.
09:38There's two paths you can go along.
09:42The right way of doing something
09:44and the completely wrong way.
09:47He would always choose the wrong path.
09:50Every single time.
09:57Mike needs a Santa Claus outfit on.
09:59He looks like Santa Claus sitting there handing out gifts.
10:01So this is Christmas of 2001.
10:11That's my brother Mike there.
10:12And there's my mom.
10:13My dad's filming.
10:20I bought that three, four weeks in advance
10:22of what you told me.
10:26And then there's blue eyes.
10:29Christmas for Ryan.
10:30As he got older.
10:32He didn't partake as much.
10:35He would look at his gifts and open them.
10:37And then he would be gone.
10:39Ryan spent probably six, seven hours a day playing video games.
10:49It kept him from getting in trouble more than anything.
10:53In 2002, Ryan was charged with disorderly conduct from yelling out death threats out of the car.
11:04That was new.
11:06He never did that before.
11:08Ryan has to pay a fine and attend counseling.
11:10I could see that this was just going to keep getting worse.
11:15We were at the point then and we just didn't know what to do.
11:20Stephanie.
11:21Hi.
11:22Hi.
11:23Hi.
11:24Hi.
11:25My second child Stephanie was born on January 26, 2003.
11:29Hanging out with me and my sister really helped my grandma take a step back from living with Ryan.
11:42And the other one goes with the other one.
11:43We were her highlighter of life's innocence, in a way.
11:49I see, baby girl.
11:51I see.
11:53Mike is playing Santa Claus.
11:54He needs his outfit on.
11:56Thank you, Mikey.
11:57There's another one of those that say Christina.
12:00Do you want to put this one on?
12:01That says Ryan.
12:02The new one.
12:04That doesn't have a problem.
12:06Ryan, grab a poster.
12:09I think that we probably thought that he'll grow up, he'll mature, and he'll settle down.
12:15But that never really happened.
12:18It only progressed worse and worse.
12:21Yeah, Ryan took it off when he's mad.
12:24He's always hit somebody.
12:25In January 2004, the court places 16-year-old Ryan on probation indefinitely for drug abuse.
12:33The way I saw Ryan growing up and all of his violent outbursts, that was just Ryan being Ryan.
12:42I had this idealized version of my uncle that was Uncle Bubba, and that was the good person that I knew.
12:51But Ryan was the monster that everybody else knew.
12:55They were two different people, but the same entity.
13:03In 2004, Ryan decided to take Vicki's car out, which he wasn't allowed to.
13:08When he got home after that incident, Vicki was going to call the cops and report a stolen car.
13:18And he said, if you call the cops, I'm going to hurt you.
13:25We're constantly trying to figure out what to do. How do we deal with it?
13:29The court charges Ryan with menacing and violating his probation.
13:35They place him in juvenile detention for a minimum of six months.
13:39The last time he went to juvenile.
13:40The last time he went to juvenile, he was turning 18 at that time.
13:45The judge straight up told him, he said, if you don't straighten your act up, you won't be going to juvenile now.
13:52You'll be going to the jail.
13:53Vicki still was his mother.
13:56And I kept telling her, let him figure this out.
13:59And she couldn't do it. She couldn't stop taking care of it.
14:05I wasn't scared of Ryan.
14:09I felt off by his energy.
14:14Hey, we're here today.
14:16I'm going to introduce you to a movie.
14:19So this is Ryan filming.
14:21Now across the street, they had just built some new houses for a senior community.
14:26We'll tell you a story during this movie.
14:31See over there, that's where the old people live.
14:36And Ryan got in trouble a few times there, too, because they called the police on him.
14:41Man, these . They don't like me that much.
14:45I was hoping that, you know, once Ryan matured, things would get better and they only got worse.
14:55In May 2006, Ryan hits another car and speeds off.
15:00He is charged with one count of hit and run.
15:02We get a call from the sheriff's department to come pick him up, which I did.
15:08He come back and he was just mad as a horn at everybody.
15:15I told him to leave the house, go find some place to stay, but you're not living here.
15:20I was chasing him out of the house.
15:23And he started just going in the kitchen and that's where Vicki was standing.
15:26Ryan ended up pushing my mom down and she fell on her arm, broke her arm in four places.
15:34And from there, he went into the front room where Mike was standing.
15:39He pushed him down and kicked him in the face.
15:42Police were called and then he was arrested.
15:44Ryan was charged with domestic violence.
15:49They served him 180 days, but they reduced that to 90.
15:55Ryan never showed any remorse over that, none.
16:00He was still angry because he got 90 days in jail.
16:03Every time I'd kick him out, she would let him back in the house.
16:09And I kept telling her not to do that.
16:12She just couldn't do it.
16:15Where is he going to go?
16:17What's he going to do?
16:19As bad as Ryan treated my mom, my mom still loved him.
16:23My mom still protected him.
16:25I'm like, Mom, something bad is going to happen.
16:29Get him out of that house.
16:33Mike passed away in December of 2007.
16:50He was driving to work one day, had a massive heart attack and died instantly.
16:58Probably the worst day of my life.
16:59Mike was kind of the glue to kind of help keep them all together.
17:14Ryan is back in jail on drug-related charges, but attends the funeral with a deputy sheriff.
17:20So when Ryan came to the funeral, he was shackled by his ankles and by his wrists.
17:25Ryan is crying his eyes out and I was kind of in shock because that's the first time I really saw Ryan show that kind of emotion.
17:34And I remember going up to him. I gave him a hug and I'm like, Ryan, we got to stick together.
17:41Christina, these two are above us if you want to give them to him.
17:54It's Christmas 2008 and Ryan's at home again with his family.
17:57If you look, he's not interested in anything that's going on at this point.
18:02I didn't want him to come back home. I really didn't.
18:052009, I was driving Ryan and a friend to his party.
18:14We got in an argument because I didn't want his friend in my truck.
18:18I was mad at him. I said, I am not taking that kid anywhere.
18:22I don't want him around here.
18:24Ryan was smoking a cigarette and he put it out my cheek.
18:27Then I filed charges. I was the only one that wasn't scared because I knew I could handle it.
18:38But Vicki was the only one I was concerned about.
18:42I didn't know Ryan was capable of such violence.
18:47Like, Mom, keep him out of that house. He is going to kill you.
18:52But her reaction was, I don't know what to do. He's my son. I can't let him live on the streets.
19:01One occasion when we got home, the truck was missing.
19:06So I drove around, never found it. Come home and there's the truck.
19:11So I walked in the house and I told him, I said, you're not to take that truck.
19:16I did report it stolen because he shouldn't have been driving.
19:23When the police showed up at the house, they grabbed him and hauled him away.
19:29The police arrest Ryan because of an outstanding warrant for domestic violence from his attack against Martin.
19:36He was given nine months in prison.
19:38When Ryan was locked up, my parents were stress-free.
19:46But whenever Ryan would come back, you could cut the tension with a knife.
19:52When you come out of prison, he was definitely worse. He was nasty.
19:57I had to put a lock on my bedroom door to keep him out.
20:05We never knew at any time what he was going to do or when or to who.
20:12We were so desperate. We were trying to figure out how we could get him in a situation like a halfway house.
20:19Just getting away from us. Vicki was so upset that she wrote a letter to the judge.
20:27I'll read it for you.
20:29Honorable Judge, Ryan Dillon is our son and he threatens us daily.
20:35He says if he goes back to jail, when he comes back, he will kill us or burn the house down.
20:42We feel our safety is a concern.
20:45We didn't get a whole lot of response from it, you know, because he's an adult.
20:53They were just trying anything.
20:57They needed help and they didn't know what to do.
21:02So I was trying to get my parents to move to Florida.
21:06My dad thought he could just buy a duplex and have Ryan live in one side.
21:11And then they could live in their separate house.
21:17They came down here to visit me just to see if they liked it.
21:22Ryan was acting great. He's very relaxed.
21:26We thought, okay, this might work.
21:30When we got back home from that vacation, things were normal for a short period of time.
21:35But then everything started coming back again.
21:40And it was progressively getting worse.
21:44Vicki's fear was pretty intense.
21:49But her love for Ryan was also.
21:52She just wanted what was best for him and to protect him.
21:57She was his mom.
21:59He just couldn't stand her.
22:03It was so obvious. You could see it.
22:05You could see it.
22:11May 8th of 2012, I had come home from work.
22:16And I noticed the pickup was missing.
22:22If Ryan got in an accident, we could get sued and lose everything just because of him.
22:28But when he got home, Vicki was very upset.
22:32The main concern with Ryan was we had no idea what to expect.
22:40He was relentless.
22:42He would not let up on arguing with his mom.
22:45The argument continued until 1 o'clock in the morning.
22:49The worst part was him standing at the door, beating on it and screaming at both of us.
22:56He shouted, he might as well kill us both and just take everything.
23:04When I get up, I would give her a kiss before I went down and got cleaned up and went to work.
23:10After putting the lock on the door, I would lock it when I walked out just to make sure she was okay.
23:17I knew Ryan was awake because I could hear him in his room.
23:21I went to work because every day I'd come home at lunchtime.
23:26When I got home, Ryan was standing in the kitchen.
23:32That was not Ryan. He would normally be asleep.
23:36Ryan said to me, I wish he hadn't told mom about the truck.
23:41I asked Ryan, I said, hey, where's your mom?
23:45And his response was, she went shopping with her sister.
23:50That was Vicki's day off.
23:52So I didn't think anything about it.
23:54After I went back to work and finished out my ship, I come back home and the truck was gone again.
24:03I'm looking around, Vicki's nowhere to be found.
24:10I called her sister and she informed me that she hadn't been with Vicki.
24:17Now I'm a little nervous, so I just kept calling everybody.
24:24No sign of Vicki anywhere.
24:269-1-1-1.
24:27Yes, I think I need to report a missing person.
24:34to report a missing person.
24:47911, what's going on, man?
24:50We have a son leaving with us,
24:51and you have records on him, I'm sure, Ryan Dillon.
24:54We have a pickup truck that's also missing,
24:57and my wife's car's here.
24:59She's not.
25:01As far as I can tell, she's been missing
25:03since I believe six voters yet.
25:07When the deputies arrived on the scene,
25:10they met with Martin Burks.
25:13I responded to meet with the uniformed sergeant
25:17and deputy that was on scene.
25:19Investigators take Martin to the sheriff's office
25:22to be questioned.
25:23I immediately called Clark County Prosecutor Andy Wilson.
25:27He found some smudges of blood and said,
25:30hey, Andy, something's not right at this scene.
25:32With my experience and gut instinct,
25:35it appeared that we might have had homicide on him.
25:41I would request that Spatial Agent Brian White
25:44respond to process the scene.
25:46A lot of the bloodstains that we saw were airborne at one point,
25:53meaning they could have been discarded from some sort of weapon.
25:59You could see kind of the movement of where that blood had been flung,
26:04and it was right above where that chair was.
26:06And on the floor were a couple of divots.
26:13He's like, I think whatever happened happened right here.
26:17The way the blood was disturbed,
26:21something had been dragged through it.
26:24Everything flows from the kitchen to the back porch,
26:27and there's a doorway there.
26:31Items were piled on top of it
26:33to make it look like it's never been used.
26:36However, those items also have bloodstains on them.
26:38And Brian said, I bet our body's down there.
26:46It was an entrance into a cellar.
26:51We could immediately see bloodstains
26:53leading down from the steps.
26:54And at the bottom of those steps,
26:58we find a body.
27:07Martin Burbs gave us information
27:09that she had a tattoo on her ankle.
27:13When we saw the body,
27:14we were able to see the tattoo.
27:17We were able to identify the body as Vicki Burbs.
27:22The trauma to her body
27:23was probably one of the worst I've seen.
27:26It looked to us
27:27that there was some sort of a blunt object
27:29that was used to beat her.
27:33We found in the laundry room
27:36there were clothes
27:37that tested positive for blood.
27:40Then we knew
27:40we did have a clean-up type situation.
27:45Everyone that was on scene
27:47or had contact with Vicki Burbs
27:49were considered a possible suspect.
27:51It was important for us
27:54to interview Martin.
27:55So you don't have anything to do
27:57with Vicki's disappearance?
27:58No.
27:59How can you prove that?
28:01Because I was at work.
28:02We should disappear.
28:04The whole time.
28:04I clocked in at probably about 6,
28:08I'm guessing 6.38.
28:10I clocked out exactly at 3.15.
28:12But I didn't come home and lunch.
28:14So was Ryan home at 11.30?
28:2011.35, yeah.
28:21What was his demeanor?
28:23Calmer than he was the night before,
28:24quite a bit.
28:26So when Marty was interviewed
28:28by the sheriff's detectives,
28:29he gave a pretty good timeline
28:31of what he had done
28:32the morning that Vicki went missing.
28:34He made the comment
28:36at lunchtime today
28:37and wished I hadn't told him
28:39all of the truck being gone.
28:41I just kind of blew him off
28:42because I didn't want to
28:43get in an argument with him
28:44on my lunch break.
28:45I was able to obtain statements
28:47from his employers
28:48of his schedule for that day,
28:50verifying that he was at work.
28:54At around 10.30 that evening,
28:58our advocate and the detectives
28:59went in that interrogation room
29:01and told Marty that his wife was dead.
29:07I was shocked.
29:11I was upset.
29:13I was mad.
29:15First words out of my mouth is,
29:19Ryan did this.
29:20He made comments like,
29:22it's one of these days.
29:23One of these days,
29:24you people aren't going to wake up
29:25or something like that.
29:27You know, one of these days,
29:28I will get eaten.
29:29I wanted them to catch him so bad
29:32and I didn't care what they did
29:35or how they did it.
29:39Based on the information
29:41that we received,
29:43Ryan Dillon was our prime suspect.
29:47When a suspect flees from a murder,
29:50somebody who's got a criminal history,
29:54you're worried about the safety
29:54of anybody who comes across him.
29:56At that point,
29:57it's a race against time
29:59to get him into custody
30:00before he can do something else.
30:03We had put a,
30:04be on the lookout
30:04for the Dodge Dakota pickup truck
30:07and checked to see
30:09if anybody may have ran the license plate.
30:12We had found that a deputy
30:14from Allglades County
30:15around 70, 80 miles
30:17north of Springfield
30:18had stopped the pickup truck
30:20for a traffic violation
30:21at 2.29 p.m.
30:22The deputy found
30:25that it was Ryan Dillon
30:26that was driving the truck.
30:28He issued him a written warning
30:30and let him go about his way.
30:35As detectives are working
30:37to hunt down Ryan Dillon,
30:38the family received
30:40the devastating news.
30:41I got a call
30:43and it's my dad.
30:46He said,
30:47Jay,
30:47I've got bad news.
30:49Your mom's dead
30:51and it wasn't an accident.
30:54I said,
30:55oh my God,
30:57Ryan killed mom.
30:58And he's like,
30:59yes.
31:00All I can think of is
31:02my brother's on the loose.
31:04Where's my kids?
31:04My mom sat me down
31:07on the couch,
31:08grabbed my hand
31:08and she said,
31:10Ryan killed grandma.
31:12I remember
31:13just screaming,
31:15what?
31:17And I just remember
31:19feeling like my entire world
31:21had been shattered.
31:23She loved him
31:24with everything
31:25in her heart and soul
31:26and that didn't matter
31:28like to him.
31:31I don't remember
31:34when I started crying
31:37until after I processed
31:40that the noise
31:42I was hearing
31:42was me screaming
31:45and crying
31:46into my mom's chest.
31:49On May 10th, 2012,
31:51the medical examiner
31:53carries out
31:53Vicki Burke's autopsy.
31:55The coroner
31:56described her manner
31:58of death
31:58as one forced trauma
31:59to the head.
32:01Both of Vicki's pinkies
32:03were broken
32:04on both her hands
32:05and appeared to me
32:07as in a manner
32:07like she was trying
32:08to protect herself.
32:11We asked Martin Burks
32:13if he would look
32:14around the residence
32:15and see if anything
32:16was missing
32:16that would resemble
32:17a blunt instrument
32:18and he later reported
32:20that an aluminum baseball bat
32:22that was kept
32:23in the mudroom
32:24was missing.
32:29I received a call
32:30at the Delavan Police Department
32:32had located the truck.
32:37The Delavan Police Officer
32:39found Ryan Dilling
32:40walking down the road.
32:41He lies about
32:44having the keys
32:46to the truck.
32:47He lies about
32:47being involved
32:48in the truck.
32:49He initially
32:50gives them
32:50a fake name.
32:53After Ryan
32:54was arrested,
32:56we sent a team
32:57of detectives
32:58and investigators
32:58up to Wisconsin
32:59to conduct
33:00an interview.
33:01What's going on
33:02with this truck?
33:04The truck was stolen
33:05and I was
33:07with your enemy.
33:08Okay.
33:09This guy is just
33:10fabricating
33:11and making up
33:12these bizarre stories.
33:14Detective Bromfield
33:15came into the interview
33:16later on.
33:17We're here
33:18investigating
33:18the theft
33:19of the motor vehicle
33:20and we're also
33:22here to
33:24conduct an investigation
33:26on the death
33:27of your mother.
33:29You know
33:29she was murdered.
33:35What we really want
33:39is we want
33:40him to make
33:41a confession.
33:50On May 14th
33:51of 2012
33:52Ryan was
33:54formally charged
33:55with Vicki's
33:56homicide.
33:57Ryan requests
33:58to speak
33:58to a detective
33:59from Wisconsin
34:00called Shannon
34:01Illingworth.
34:02She had developed
34:03a little bit
34:03of a rapport
34:04with Ryan.
34:05And like I said
34:06whatever's happened
34:07has already happened
34:07and there's nothing
34:08we can do about it.
34:09All we can do
34:10is move forward.
34:12I just don't want
34:12to get blamed
34:13for something
34:13that I didn't do.
34:15Detective Illingworth
34:16interviews Ryan
34:17on May 15th
34:19hoping to get
34:19a confession.
34:20I could see
34:21in your eyes
34:22you're hurting
34:24about something
34:24right now Ryan.
34:25But if they're not
34:26going to tell you
34:27the truth
34:27then the next best thing
34:29is to give us
34:30easily disprovable lies.
34:32Single or married?
34:34Where?
34:34You were widowed?
34:36You weren't married?
34:37No.
34:38She died.
34:39Or just disappeared.
34:42He gave us
34:43lie after lie
34:44after lie
34:45that we
34:45very easily
34:47could disprove.
34:48You realize
34:49you never even
34:50asked me
34:50how she did it?
34:53Never once.
34:55Do you know
34:55why you didn't ask?
34:57You don't know
34:57how she did it.
34:59No I don't.
34:59There was none of it
35:02because he was
35:03the one who did it
35:03and he knew
35:03exactly
35:04what had happened.
35:07On May 18th
35:09Detective Illingworth
35:10interviews Ryan again
35:11after looking
35:12into some
35:13of his previous claims.
35:15There's two people
35:16in the house
35:16between 7 and 11
35:18on that day.
35:19I wasn't there
35:20that day.
35:20We know
35:22that he's not
35:23telling the truth
35:24during that interview.
35:26Why does nobody
35:26have a marriage
35:27certificate for you?
35:29And what happened
35:30to her?
35:30Where is she?
35:31She's in it
35:32with my kids.
35:34You have a kid too?
35:36There was no record
35:37of him ever being married.
35:38He said that he had
35:39a child.
35:39No record at all.
35:41It just wasn't true.
35:42I really
35:43I have no clue
35:44I know
35:45I didn't
35:46do any of this.
35:49It would have hurt
35:50and honestly
35:51it was
35:53this guy
35:54back in.
35:56At some point
35:57he starts to
35:58maybe try to deflect
35:59towards Marty
35:59a little bit.
36:01The deep-seated
36:02anger
36:02and the issues
36:03that he had
36:04with his mom
36:05and with Marty.
36:07My mom
36:08probably had
36:09a lot of enemies
36:10out there.
36:11He also
36:12really ran down
36:13his mom.
36:14She's a terrible person.
36:15Lots of people
36:16don't like her.
36:17Again,
36:18deflecting
36:18attention away
36:20from him
36:20trying to put it
36:21on an outside person.
36:24Ryan was extradited
36:25back to Ohio
36:26on July 17,
36:282012.
36:30The trial
36:31was in February
36:322014
36:33and he pled
36:33not guilty.
36:34Ryan has maintained
36:35his innocence
36:36regarding this
36:37and I don't believe
36:38that has changed
36:38to today.
36:39in my opinion
36:41this is what
36:42happened
36:42on the morning
36:43of May 9,
36:432012.
36:47So
36:47Marty leaves
36:48for work.
36:49Vicky's still in bed.
36:50She comes down
36:51that morning
36:52and is sitting
36:53at that kitchen table.
36:55Ryan comes down.
36:57He sees
36:57Vicky
36:58sitting there.
37:00He hits her
37:01across the head.
37:02I think that she
37:05was knocked
37:06out of this chair.
37:08She was probably
37:09on the ground.
37:11He's throwing
37:12this blood
37:12up on the ceiling.
37:13He's throwing
37:13this blood
37:14on the curtains.
37:16He beats her
37:17until she stops
37:18moving.
37:20Dragging that body.
37:21He throws her
37:22down in the cellar.
37:24He spends
37:24the next couple
37:25hours before
37:26Marty gets home
37:26for lunch
37:27cleaning that area.
37:29At some point
37:32Marty gets home.
37:33Eats a sandwich
37:34real quick.
37:34Talks to Ryan
37:35real quick.
37:35Goes out.
37:38So we think
37:38shortly after
37:39Marty leaves
37:40for work
37:41is when
37:42Ryan hops
37:43in that truck
37:43and takes off.
37:49Part of me
37:49wanted to hate him
37:50for what he did
37:52to my mom.
37:53And I remember
37:55seeing him
37:56and I kind of
37:57felt guilty
37:58that I almost
37:58had a little bit
37:59of sympathy
37:59for him.
38:02The trial
38:03lasted five days.
38:05The jury
38:05found him
38:06guilty
38:06of aggravated
38:08murder,
38:09felony murder,
38:10purposeful murder,
38:12tampering with
38:12evidence and
38:13receiving stolen
38:13property.
38:16I had to
38:17realize that
38:18Uncle Bubba
38:19really didn't
38:20exist.
38:21And it was
38:22just Ryan
38:22the monster.
38:26The defendant
38:27was sentenced
38:27to life in prison
38:28without parole.
38:31After the trial,
38:33there's the
38:33appellate process.
38:35He actually
38:35was able
38:37to have
38:37the aggravated
38:38murder
38:39conviction
38:40overturned.
38:44The court
38:45said that
38:45there was
38:46plenty of evidence
38:46that he had
38:47actually done
38:48the murder,
38:48but there
38:49wasn't enough
38:50evidence
38:50of premeditation.
38:53Ryan ultimately
38:54was sentenced
38:54to life in prison
38:56with the possibility
38:57of parole
38:57after 18 years.
39:00The fact that
39:01he hasn't
39:02accepted responsibility
39:03for what he's
39:03done
39:03shows that he
39:05isn't reformed,
39:07shows that
39:08he's not
39:08remorseful.
39:10And if you
39:10can't be sorry
39:11or remorseful
39:12for killing
39:12your mom,
39:14what kind of
39:15threat do you
39:15pose to society?
39:16I have no
39:20emotional connection
39:21with Ryan at all
39:22other than
39:24anger.
39:25And he's not
39:26my son anymore.
39:28If he gets out,
39:30it would be
39:31nothing for him
39:31to do the same
39:32thing again.
39:35Sitting here now,
39:37I hate Ryan
39:38with every fiber
39:39of my being.
39:41I'll never
39:42forgive Ryan
39:42for what he did.
39:44Isn't that cute?
39:45Yeah, beautiful.
39:47Thank you for
39:48modeling for us.
39:50When my grandma
39:51was still alive,
39:53I was still
39:54going by Stephanie.
39:55I actually
39:56came out
39:57as transgender
39:58and I wish
40:00my grandma
40:01was here
40:01to support me
40:02being trans.
40:04She was always
40:05supportive,
40:06always very loving.
40:08I miss her a lot.
40:11Definitely miss her.
40:15Keep thinking,
40:15what would it
40:16be like
40:16if she was
40:17still around?
40:26The first event
40:27I had after
40:28grandma died
40:29was a dance
40:30recital.
40:32And when I
40:34looked out
40:34into the audience,
40:35I saw
40:36Steph,
40:37I saw my dad,
40:39I saw my stepmom,
40:40I saw my grandpa.
40:43And right next
40:44to all of them
40:45was one empty seat.
40:50And for the rest
40:51of my life,
40:52there will always
40:53be one empty seat
40:54where she is not.
40:56can mommy get
41:13kids?
41:14Andrea is a
41:15go-getter.
41:16They are both
41:16alpha types.
41:17I can't look at it.
41:24It was like
41:24sitting and
41:25looking at evil.
41:26the
41:27была
41:31her
41:32have
41:33gone!
41:37to
41:37a
41:38something
41:38like
41:38someone
41:38in
41:40there
41:40that
41:41they
41:42will
41:42have
41:43help.
41:45The
41:45who
41:46have
41:47to
41:47see
41:49Go
41:50as
41:51to
41:52go on
41:52and
41:53the
41:53the
41:54test
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