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Jimmy Kimmel Live - Season 24 Episode 50 -
Michelle Obama, Mia Goth
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00:00Michelle Obama and Mia Garth with the Kletos, and now, Jimmy Kimmel!
00:10I'm glad you're in a good mood after, um, you know, I have to say,
00:39this is the kind of weekend that makes you wonder if things will ever feel good again.
00:43We had a, uh, shooting, a tragic and horrific shooting at a Hanukkah celebration in Australia.
00:48We had another senseless, uh, school shooting at this time at Brown University, and here in Los
00:54Angeles, the murder of one of our greatest directors and patriots, Rob Reiner, and his
00:58wife, Michelle Reiner. And what we need in a time like this, besides common sense when it comes to
01:04guns and mental health care, is compassion and leadership. We did not get that from our
01:11president because he has none of it to give. Instead, we got a fool rambling about nonsense.
01:17We got a brief moment of respect for our friends in Australia. We got a brief moment of condolence,
01:22followed by a things happen for the students at Brown. And for Rob and Michelle Reiner, we got this,
01:27post. A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling,
01:33but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away, together with his wife,
01:38Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive unyielding and incurable
01:46affliction with a mind-crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to
01:53as TDS. He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump,
02:00with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all goals and
02:06expectations of greatness. And with the golden age of America upon us, perhaps like never before,
02:12may Rob and Michelle rest in peace. Just when you think he can't go any lower,
02:17he somehow finds a way to do that. His description of what happened,
02:22of course, is not at all what happened. This is exactly what I've spoken about before,
02:26this rush to pin the tail on the donkey in pursuit of the Trump-friendly narrative,
02:31not to mention blaming his death on the fact that he is an outspoken liberal,
02:37insulting someone who's just been murdered, who leaves children behind,
02:41without having any idea of what actually happened. It's so hateful and vile. When I first saw it,
02:46I thought it was fake. My wife showed it to me this morning, like, well, and even for him,
02:49that seemed like too much, but nothing is ever too much for him. Of course, you won't see the Fox
02:55News gang screaming about this one, but a couple of Republicans did to their credit, two of them,
02:59I think. And so a few hours later, a White House reporter gave Trump the chance to take another shot,
03:05to act like a human being. A number of Republicans have announced your statement
03:11on Truth Social after the murder of Rob Reiner. Do you stand by that post?
03:14Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned. He said
03:20that he likely knew it was false. In fact, it's the exact opposite, that I was a friend of Russia,
03:27controlled by Russia. You know, it was the Russia hoax. He was one of the people behind it. I think he
03:32hurt himself career-wise. He became like a deranged person. Trump derangement syndrome. So I was not a
03:39fan of Rob Reiner at all in any way, shape, or form. I thought he was very bad for our country guy.
03:44That corroded brain is in charge of our lives. If you voted for that, it's okay to reconsider. It's
03:55perfectly fine. And I have to say, I know from my personal interactions with Rob Reiner that he
04:02would want us to keep pointing out the loathsome atrocities that continue to ooze out of this sick
04:07and irresponsible man's mouth. And so we're going to do that over and over again until the rest of us
04:13wake up. And then... And then, maybe the craziest part, then he goes about his day celebrating
04:22Christmas, of all things. This is how he behaves at Christmas time. So the Trumps are hosting multiple
04:28Christmas events at the Lighthouse this week. Yesterday, after briefly mentioning the shootings
04:33in Australia and at Brown, he got distracted by a familiar-looking woman in the crowd.
04:37Then we have a man who, to me, this is the most interesting story. What do you look like, Ivanka?
04:43Has anyone ever told you that? I'm looking... I'm saying, is that Ivanka? Could you just turn
04:48around for the camera? Does she look... Does she look like Ivanka? It's the most unbelievable thing.
04:54So I wouldn't... I didn't want to take a chance. I say, is that Ivanka? You look just like Ivanka,
05:00which is a great compliment, actually. What stage of dementia is not recognizing the
05:04daughter you are physically attracted to. Eleven? And again, this was a Christmas...
05:12This was a Christmas party for supporters and staff. Trump bing-bonged from random topic to random
05:18topic until finally settling into a six-minute rant about snakes in Peru.
05:24Peru. A rather rough place in terms of physical creatures crawling around. 28,000 people die a
05:31year from a steak bite. Even if you have the venom, you don't live. They lift the rice and the this and
05:36the that out of the water. They get hit by a viper. And it is vicious. Like, boom, bop, bop, bop. The viper missed
05:43him. It hit his jacket and spread all of the venom all over the place. But that wasn't good enough for the
05:49viper. The viper hit him a second time. Teeth like this, this, those fangs. I'm fascinated by stories
05:55of wildlife. The black mamba, the brown mamba, and the viper from Peru. It's unbelievable. The power
06:02is incredible of animals. Look how quiet everybody is. That's because we can't believe you're the
06:08president. He spoke... He went on for six minutes about vipers. He claimed snake bites in Peru killed
06:1528,000 people a year. You know how many fatal snake bites they had in Peru over a 15-year period?
06:21I looked it up. Ten. They had ten in 15 years. Not 420,000. What is going on? Did someone give him a
06:31White House screening of Anaconda this weekend? He's out of his mind. He's talking about Melania. He's trying
06:37to give her a compliment. She's behind him looking like she's about to throw up. He talked about how much
06:42Melania loves children and then seemed to forget they have one together. She loves children and
06:48she's, uh, she's got a wonderful boy and she's very proud of her boy. Well, I'm sure he just misspoke.
06:55I'm sure he must know that Baron is his son too. She has a wonderful son that she loves
07:03probably more than anybody, including me. I hate to say it, but, uh, she loves her son. No,
07:09that's your son. Do you know that's also your son? That's how the First Lady got involved. She's
07:17got a son. Do you know anything about your son? Baron is very tall. Okay. All right. Well,
07:26that's something. Is there a Nobel Prize for fatherhood? Because he deserves it. On Saturday,
07:33Trump was at the Army-Navy football game where he made history becoming the first sitting president
07:39ever to not know how to toss a coin. Army, what is your call? Tails. Tails has been called. Mr. President,
07:47would you do the honor? It's like he released an imaginary dove. Let's look at that again.
08:03Yeah. When Eric was a baby, this is how he would throw nickels into his mouth. There's no flip to
08:10that coin flip. I think we just figured out why he bankrupted those casinos. This is another one of
08:17those things you can't believe is real. The Trump administration right now, I guess they've run out
08:20of disadvantaged people to attack. They are going after sign language. The National Association for the
08:26Deaf is suing the Trump administration because they cut all the sign language interpreters. You know how
08:31they'd have those interpreters doing ASL during his speeches so the hearing impaired could follow
08:36along with how stupid he is too? They got rid of him. The White House claims using an interpreter
08:43would severely intrude on the president's prerogative to control the image he presents
08:48to the public. The real story is Trump got sick of the interpreters doing this with their hands.
08:53And Merry Christmas. Speaking with you, there are only nine days left until Christmas Day,
09:05and we have something fun to celebrate tonight. Well, let's go out first out to Hollywood Boulevard
09:10to see. Oh, hey, Guillermo. How are you? Doing good, Jimmy. Oh, Guillermo is here. Guillermo,
09:16are you sensing a high level of holiday cheer on the boulevard tonight? Yeah, Jimmy, everybody looks
09:21so happy getting ready for the holidays. We even got a Christmas tree over there in the back. Oh, yes,
09:26we got a beautiful, that is the tallest tree on the west coast. Hi there. Hi. Sylvester Stallone is
09:32visiting. Okay. Hi, folks. How are you? Merry Christmas to you. Happy holidays. Hey, is that a
09:38family? That family taking a picture right there. Oh, yeah, right there. Grab them, will you? Hi,
09:42family. Can you come over here, please? Yeah, come over here, please. Yes, come over here, please. Can
09:48they hear me? I don't know if they can hear me, Guillermo. Okay, this is like a maze. All right,
09:54that guy maybe is not in the family or is in the family. No, I don't think he's in the family,
09:59Jimmy. Okay, all right. Maybe we'd like to be part of the family. Okay. Hi, how are you? Hi,
10:05what is your name? My name is Megan Nelson. Hi, Megan. How old is your baby? She is two months old.
10:12He's two months old. Oh, that's a lot of fun on Christmas, right? Right. Now, should a two-month-old
10:18be out on Hollywood Boulevard? We've got every disease imaginable out there. Well, that is true.
10:24Uh, hi, family. Are you guys one family? Yes, yes. What is your last name? What's your last name?
10:31Nelson. Nelson. All right, the Nelson family. Have you taken your official family Christmas photo yet?
10:37No. No. Okay, would you like to take a Sears portrait studio caliber photo here
10:43in our studio with me tonight? Yeah. Okay, great. Guillermo, escort the Nelsons in here.
10:49Follow me. Yeah, come on in.
10:55Yeah, take the... Okay, all right. All right, so what we have is we've got a whole Winter Wonderland photo
11:02set here. Isn't it beautiful? It's like the price is right, except we're not going to give any of this
11:08stuff. Oh, wait. We're going to keep the stuff, but all right. Well, let's see. We'll get the family
11:14here, and Guillermo is going to escort them. All right. Oh, okay. Here they are. All right. Very
11:24good. Hi, everybody. How are you? How are you doing? Merry Christmas. Please come back here. How you
11:31doing? Welcome, welcome, welcome. Hi there. How are you? How are you? How are you? How are you? All right.
11:40Oh, we have some... We have some... You got... You want, um, Christmas hats? You celebrate Christmas?
11:47You want to put on a Christmas hat? All right. You want one? All right. There you go. We'll make it
11:53festive. Oh, okay. I'll get... Oh, you know what? All right. Well, God, this one might be big for the
11:57baby, but you want me to help you with this? All right. Okay. All right. There we go. You want one? Oh,
12:02for the baby? You want a hand? Can I hold the baby? You want? Yeah, okay. All right. I'm going to put the
12:09hand on, and I'll hold the baby. That way it seems like I'm part of the family. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
12:15Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
12:21Okay. Come in a little closer to me here. Yeah. What if we lose the talk? Okay. All right. So let's get in place. Guillermo,
12:28are you going to take a photo? Are you guys ready? All right.
12:31All right.
12:33I think... I think my head... I think my head got cut off on that. Yeah. You know what? This is good. I feel like we're
12:42missing something, though. I feel like... What should we do? We got to jazz this up a little, Guillermo.
12:46We are. We're missing somebody. Oh.
12:48Oh, my God.
12:50Oh, my God.
12:54Oh, my God.
12:56Oh, my God.
12:58Oh, my God.
13:00Oh, my God.
13:02Oh, my God.
13:04Oh, my God.
13:06Oh, my God.
13:08Oh, my God.
13:10Oh, my God.
13:12Oh, my God.
13:13Oh, my God.
13:14Oh, my God.
13:15Oh, my God.
13:16Oh, my God.
13:17Oh, my God.
13:18Oh, my God.
13:19Oh, my God.
13:20Oh, my God.
13:21Oh, my God.
13:22Oh, my God.
13:23Oh, my God.
13:24Oh, my God.
13:25Oh, my God.
13:26Oh, my God.
13:27Oh, my God.
13:28Oh, my God.
13:29Oh, my God.
13:30Oh, my God.
13:31Oh, my God.
13:32Oh, my God.
13:33Oh, my God.
13:34Oh, my God.
13:35Oh, my God.
13:36Oh, my God.
13:37Oh, my God.
13:38Oh, my God.
13:39Oh, my God.
13:40Ella.
13:41Do you know who that lady is?
13:43Ella.
13:44Ella?
13:46Oh, yes, and we have a gift for the family,
13:48a gift from Mrs. Obama, her new book.
13:51There you go, the look.
13:55I'm going to keep the baby, OK?
13:59We have a very good show tonight.
14:01Mia Goth is here, and we'll be right back
14:03with the one and only Michelle Obama.
14:10Hey, welcome back to tonight.
14:22You can see her now in Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein.
14:26Mia Goth is with us, and all this week...
14:30We've got shows all this week with Will Arnett, Jason Clarke,
14:33Robbie Hoffman, Macaulay Culkin, and Kamala Harris
14:36will be with us with music from Dawes and Friends
14:39and Tobias Jesso, Jr.
14:41So please join us all this week.
14:42Our first guest tonight might be the most popular person
14:45in the whole country.
14:46She is an author and a podcaster
14:48and former first lady of the United States.
14:51This is her newest number one bestseller.
14:53It is called The Look.
14:54Please welcome Michelle Obama.
14:56Michelle Obama.
15:13How you doing?
15:14How you doing?
15:18Thank you, guys.
15:20Thank you, guys.
15:21Thank you, guys.
15:22And thank you for being part of the Nelson's family Christmas card.
15:37I mean, what a family.
15:39You know, picture perfect.
15:40And they're military family, right?
15:42Army, yeah.
15:43Yes, that's right.
15:44Yeah.
15:45Veterans, yeah.
15:46Make sure to thank them for their service.
15:48Beautiful, beautiful family.
15:49And I was excited to be a part of that.
15:51So...
15:52I'm glad you were.
15:53How many cards do the Obamas send out for Christmas?
15:55You know, we checked.
15:56It's over 100,000.
15:58No!
15:59Of some of our closest friends and family.
16:02But that incorporates friends, family, business people, foundation people.
16:08So it's a lot of folks that we want to thank.
16:11Do you have to pay for postage?
16:12Or is that...
16:13I...
16:14You have no idea.
16:15I have no idea.
16:16Oh, wow.
16:17Do you guys exchange gifts family-wise?
16:19We do.
16:20You know what?
16:21I do.
16:22You do.
16:23What does that mean?
16:24You give the gifts or you receive the gifts?
16:26We get...
16:27Everybody gets a gift.
16:28I'm generally the one who's orchestrating it.
16:30Because, you know, it's like our girls.
16:32They...
16:33You know, they don't have any money.
16:34We're like, don't take our money and buy us a gift.
16:37Like, we know it's ours.
16:39Yeah, my kids do that too.
16:41And they don't...
16:42And they want credit for it.
16:43And they don't really even do anything for it.
16:46They don't.
16:47They don't.
16:48Yeah, it's a bad message, isn't it?
16:49Yeah.
16:50But...
16:51But we do exchange...
16:52We...
16:53Christmas is huge.
16:54I am a big Christmas person.
16:55So in the morning, we wake up.
16:56We have brunch.
16:57We have brunches over.
16:58We read a letter from Santa.
17:00We open the gifts.
17:01All of that.
17:02Who writes the letter from Santa?
17:04Uh, my, uh, sister-in-law's ex-husband.
17:08Really?
17:09Yes.
17:10So don't...
17:11Let's not go there.
17:13Let's...
17:14Don't ask anymore.
17:15But...
17:16He is my ex-brother-in-law.
17:18But he writes the Santa letter.
17:19Does your husband get you good gifts?
17:21He does.
17:22Because...
17:23Does he have a consultant?
17:24Meredith Coop, my stylist.
17:26I see.
17:27You know, he tried for a few years.
17:29Early on in our lives, and, you know, I...
17:32I would open it up and, oh, yeah, you tried.
17:36Have you ever returned one of his gifts?
17:38I have never returned it, but there were times when I just...
17:42He would just never see it again.
17:45You didn't return it because he would pout?
17:47Or are you...
17:48No.
17:49It's just the sentimental value.
17:50It's the effort.
17:51Oh.
17:52There.
17:53Oh, would you talk to my wife, uh...
17:55Molly?
17:58If mine are like, I might as well give her a boomerang,
18:00because it goes right back...
18:01That's right.
18:02It's going right back.
18:04In the White House days, how many...
18:06Can you guess at how many holiday parties you'd go to during the month of December?
18:10Oh, my God.
18:11It was numbers.
18:12It was weeks and weeks of holiday parties.
18:15And there would be two or three a day.
18:18And then the big one would end in the evening,
18:22where there would be thousands of people that would come,
18:24and we would stand in the dip room
18:26and take photos for three hours straight.
18:29Three hours.
18:30Every time?
18:31For weeks.
18:32Yeah.
18:33It's like being Santa at the mall.
18:34It is.
18:35It is.
18:36And I find myself apologizing,
18:37because you're supposed to be upstairs dancing and singing and drinking,
18:40and you're standing in line waiting to see us.
18:42It just seems so unfair.
18:44Yeah.
18:45What is the...
18:46It seems like womp, womp.
18:47And a picture.
18:48Have you been any public places where people haven't recognized you in the last 10 years?
18:53Plenty.
18:54Plenty.
18:55Yeah.
18:56Really?
18:57Yeah.
18:58I mean, I fly commercial sometimes.
18:59I'm driving now.
19:00See, the thing...
19:01What we realized is that it's not me.
19:04It's the Secret Service that usually tips people off.
19:07Ah.
19:08You're walking along, and some big guy goes,
19:10wait, stop!
19:11And they're not paying attention.
19:12They look up and it's like, why...
19:13First of all, why are you touching me?
19:15And then they look up.
19:16And then it's me.
19:17So what we've learned, our team, is that if we just...
19:21Everybody just quiets down.
19:23If I put on a cap, if I've got on a Lululemon something or other, I blend in with all the other
19:30ladies.
19:31And here's the thing, people.
19:32You all aren't looking at anybody.
19:34You know?
19:35Everybody's on their phone these days.
19:36Right.
19:37So it's very easy for me to get around because nobody's looking at anybody else these days.
19:42Can I ask you about driving?
19:43Because that really interests me, that you're driving.
19:45When did you start driving again?
19:47This, the summer before last, and I only am allowed to really drive on Martha's Vineyard,
19:53which is a small island, and there's no highways, and I can, you know, they're following me.
20:02There's somebody in front.
20:03Yeah.
20:04There's somebody in the back.
20:05I mean, it's kind of like you're pretend driving, you know?
20:08It's like, yeah, Disneyland.
20:10But I'm alone in the car by myself.
20:13I can roll the windows down like I can't do in the car.
20:15Do you love that?
20:16I haven't had a window open in our cars because that is dangerous, apparently.
20:21It's like, what's the point of securing you if you've got the window down just hanging out?
20:25You know?
20:26They want you in.
20:27And the other thing that I realized that I hadn't done since the girls were adults,
20:32that there was one day that Malia and I got in the car together, just the two of us,
20:37and she was on the radio playing music, and we were alone together in a car.
20:44Was that weird for her to see you behind the wheel of a car?
20:48Were you behind the wheel?
20:49She hadn't seen me before.
20:50Remember, you know, it wasn't until later that we became us.
20:54Oh, okay, yeah.
20:55And until then we were very regular people.
20:56But she was little though, right?
20:57She was 10, 7.
20:58Okay, all right.
20:59Yeah, yeah.
21:00Did you remember how to do it?
21:01Yeah.
21:02It's like riding a bike.
21:03I'm pretty good at it.
21:04You know, I think everybody was nervous.
21:06They're still kind of nervous when they get in the car because it's just that.
21:09It's like, do you know what you're doing?
21:10And these cars are different.
21:12There are no keys.
21:13Now that I think about it, yes, the technology is very different from when you're...
21:18It is very different.
21:19So it took a while.
21:20It takes me a second to sort of, how does this thing work?
21:23You know, how does music hook up, how does this...
21:26And Barack is driven.
21:27He's driven.
21:28Really?
21:29Yeah.
21:30Does he get excited too?
21:31Yes, we do.
21:32It's just like normalcy.
21:33It's exciting.
21:34And it's crazy.
21:35It sounds crazy.
21:36But we did some of our best days driving alone in the car.
21:41I bet.
21:42I bet.
21:43I love to drive.
21:44I can't imagine losing that.
21:45I do too.
21:46You do a podcast with your brother, Craig, who's a great guy, who seems like a great guy.
21:48He was here one time.
21:49He's a great guy.
21:50You guys have fun doing that, right?
21:51We have so much fun.
21:53I probably wouldn't do it if I weren't doing it with him.
21:57I like to do things in community.
21:59You know, our higher ground team said, you know, it would be great if you did a podcast.
22:02And I was like, well, just me talking to people, that seems so lonely.
22:05And then our producer said, what about Craig?
22:08Because everybody loves my brother.
22:10He's just amazing.
22:11Yeah, he's very likable.
22:12He's so likable.
22:13And I was like, yeah, that would be fun.
22:15And it was right around the time that we lost our mom.
22:18So it really felt like a way for us to keep honoring her.
22:23Because we now are working together on a regular basis.
22:26And she would like that?
22:27And we're forced to see one another on a regular basis.
22:31Not like we have to force it, but it's scheduled.
22:34It's work.
22:35Yeah.
22:36And so his kids come to some of the tapings.
22:39And so it's really, really fun.
22:42You guys had Cat Williams, the comedian.
22:44Oh, my gosh.
22:45If you haven't seen this podcast, Cat Williams, the comedian.
22:50I can't believe he passed the security check just to start.
22:54That is quite a guest for you guys.
22:57He, you know, you heard the podcast, right?
22:59Yeah.
23:00I mean, his story of how he came to be.
23:03I mean, he left home at 12 years old.
23:05You guys have got to hear this podcast.
23:07Through it all, I was like, Cat, you're lying to me.
23:10Because I was like, if you're lying to me, I'm the former first lady.
23:13If you're making up this life story, I'm going to really be bad.
23:17But he's funny.
23:18His perspective, his experience.
23:20I mean, that's what I like about the podcast.
23:23Because you have time.
23:24We have hours to really unwind people's lives.
23:28And eventually, people start to loosen up.
23:31And they stop thinking it's me.
23:33Right.
23:34And we get into a really, really good conversation.
23:37So it's so much fun for the both of us.
23:39Just spending time with people we wouldn't otherwise get a chance to talk to.
23:44Maybe you will come.
23:45I would love to.
23:46I would love to spend some time with you.
23:47I want Molly more so.
23:48Oh, yeah.
23:49Maybe you just want Molly.
23:50Maybe you just want Molly.
23:51But that would be a good opportunity for you to talk to her about the gifts and about gratitude.
23:57Oh.
23:58Yeah.
23:59I also, I feel like I should bring up, I know you and your husband were friends with Rob and Michelle Reiner.
24:07And I'm very sorry for your loss.
24:09Oh, my God.
24:10How long have you known the Reiner's?
24:13We've known them for many, many years.
24:15And we were supposed to be seeing them that night.
24:18Last night.
24:20And we got the news.
24:22And let me just say this.
24:24Unlike some people, Rob and Michelle Reiner are some of the most decent, courageous people you ever want to know.
24:33They are not deranged or crazed.
24:40What they have always been are passionate people in a time when there's not a lot of courage going on.
24:48They were the kind of people who were ready to put their actions behind what they cared about.
24:54And they cared about their family.
24:56And they cared about this country.
24:58And they cared about fairness and equity.
25:00And that is the truth.
25:02I do know them.
25:03Michelle Obama.
25:05I love you, but hold on.
25:06I heard you, girl.
25:07Just, just settle down.
25:09I'm here to talk to everybody, not just you.
25:24I mean, you look cute.
25:34But I am married.
25:37Michelle's fine, too.
25:39You know, people love the guy.
25:43What are you going to do?
25:44What are you going to do?
25:45Do you guys make fun of him when that stuff happens?
25:47Oh, my God.
25:48Yeah.
25:49The girls and I, we make fun of him every second we get.
25:53I mean, poor guy.
25:54You know, he needs to go out there to build himself up because he comes back home and we're
25:59like, oh, what's that?
26:00You know?
26:01Is he upset that he never got to green light a rush hour movie?
26:13Or have a UFC fight on the White House lawn?
26:15You know?
26:16I mean, really?
26:17You look back and you go, I could have done that.
26:19That would have been great.
26:20That's what I say.
26:21You know, I thought there were rules and norms and standards.
26:24You've written a book that is about my passion, fashion.
26:33Yes.
26:34Yes.
26:35As we all know.
26:36Is it strange to you that people are so interested in the clothes that you wear?
26:41No.
26:42I mean, you know, first ladies throughout history, their style, their approach to...
26:48You know, there's a mystique to the first lady, and right now it's still just a first lady.
26:53You know, to all that behind the scenes because, you know, only a handful of people in the
27:00history of the country have served in that role.
27:03So...
27:04And how we show up in the world, you know, although the first lady's role, we are not
27:09celebrities, but there is sort of that otherness quality that, you know, you can't deny.
27:15And so, you know, you go to any presidential library and oftentimes the most popular exhibit
27:21is what the first lady wore, the inaugural gown, the...
27:25I guess it's our princess moment, you know, here in...
27:28Did you save all that stuff, all that clothing?
27:30Yeah, yeah.
27:31I mean, all the clothes that had impact get donated by the designer to the White House Historical
27:41Association.
27:42So it's saved to be archived for the presidential library.
27:46And the Obama Presidential Center will open up in June.
27:49With these designs?
27:50With so many exhibits, there'll be a model Oval Office, but also many of the fashions that
28:00I wore will be displayed there.
28:03Barack may have a tan suit.
28:05I think that was the biggest fashion statement.
28:08Those mom jeans, will they be in there?
28:10Oh, you know.
28:11Oh, you gotta get those.
28:12I'm gonna get those.
28:13Absolutely.
28:14And you've got stories in here, too.
28:17Well, it's more story.
28:19You know, the book is a beautiful collection of photos, and I wanted the photos to be alive,
28:26not just me standing in a dress, but what I was doing in those dresses.
28:31But there's also a story behind it.
28:34You know, what does it take for women to show up the way we need to in the world?
28:39And what does that say about our culture?
28:42What does that say about self-esteem?
28:45And the journey that many of us as women find ourselves in, because we're often judged,
28:50first and foremost, by how we look.
28:52And one of the things that I say in the book is that when somebody wants to go after a woman
28:57to make her feel small, surprisingly, they still go after how she looks, because that's
29:03how we're defined.
29:04So what does that mean for us?
29:06How do we take control over that?
29:08How do we turn that into power and reclaim our value?
29:13There's a good story about the first time you met Oprah and misunderstanding.
29:19Is that a good way to describe it?
29:21Well, it really wasn't.
29:22It was a typical Oprah gesture.
29:25Before we were ourselves and just coming up, Oprah, you know, heard about Barack and wanted
29:32to feature him in O Magazine.
29:35So she came to our home, you know, and showed up with Oprah and a camera crew.
29:40And that's when I started thinking, huh, this must be a thing, what he's doing, this politics.
29:45And after, because Oprah paid attention.
29:50She's in our house.
29:51Yeah.
29:52So she's in our house, and I'm running around, because I've got a job and kids, and I threw
29:56on some capris and a sweater, and that's what I had on.
29:59I didn't get my makeup done, because I didn't really know you needed makeup.
30:03I mean, that's where I was.
30:04Wow.
30:05So afterwards, you know, and we talked about this.
30:08It's like, now I'm becoming a public figure.
30:10And how do you figure out how to get yourself dressed and have time for all that?
30:15There's a whole chapter on that.
30:16Well, as a typical Oprah way of thanking us, she sends me a steamer trunk full of Ralph
30:24Lauren's sort of line of clothes.
30:28That was her thank you gift to me.
30:30And you imagine, I felt like the Oprah people when that, when I got, it was a trunk.
30:34Full of suits and sweaters.
30:37And I was like, I get a sweater!
30:39And I get a sweater!
30:40And I was like, oh, my God!
30:43It's Christmas!
30:44Right?
30:45So I'm in our little apartment, and Barack comes in, and he goes, we're not keeping that.
30:52I was like, what?
30:54Well, because he was in office.
30:57And here you go, according, at least how we rolled, is that when you're in office, you
31:03don't accept gifts.
31:04Right.
31:05It's against the law.
31:06But there's a happy ending to that story, because that happened at the end of his state
31:16Senate run.
31:17He left the state Senate, ran for the U.S. Senate.
31:20There was a period of time when he was not in office, and Oprah sent the clothes back.
31:31You can't beat Oprah.
31:33You really can't.
31:34Can't beat Oprah.
31:35Can't beat Oprah.
31:36When you were a kid, you had certain style icons.
31:39I did.
31:40And these are unusual style icons.
31:42Well, they...
31:43One of them is something people of our age, one of them is somebody that people of our
31:48age would know.
31:49This is Teresa Graves from the show Get Christy Love.
31:52Man, she was a police action hero.
31:55Yeah.
31:56She was gorgeous.
31:57I used to watch this show, 1974.
31:59A lot, yes.
32:00Yeah.
32:01She was beautiful and brave and tough, but sexy.
32:05And when I was little, I always wanted a pair of white go-go boots, like Teresa Graves,
32:10but...
32:11Did you get them?
32:12No, because I...
32:13My mother was Marian Robinson.
32:15We lived in Chicago.
32:16She was practical.
32:17She was like, you can't wear those in the snow.
32:19So what I got were the ugly rubber boots that you fit over your shoe.
32:23Oh, yeah.
32:24Yeah, I was...
32:25I bet Oprah will get them for you.
32:28And this one is fantastic.
32:30This is...
32:31Well, this is the flip side of my character.
32:34This is Jose Cardinal, first baseman for the Chicago Cubs.
32:39I have the biggest crush on him.
32:41So the flip side of my personality was go-go boots, but I had a big brother.
32:46So I was also a tomboy, because I had to keep up.
32:49What he learned to do, I learned to do.
32:51And I loved to play baseball.
32:53So I like to, in the summers, get my little afro, put on a cap, pick it out like Jose Cardinal,
33:02get...go to bat.
33:03He was my hero.
33:05And I think a lot of it was tied to my relationship to my dad, because he was a shift worker.
33:10And there would be times he'd get home in the afternoon.
33:13And the Cubs played on WGN at 3 o'clock.
33:17And I'd come home from school and sit down on his lap.
33:20And by the time I got home, Jose was up to bat.
33:25So there's also that sentimentality that is linked to that feeling for Jose.
33:33And I finally got to meet him.
33:35And our last term, the Cubs won the World Series.
33:39That's right.
33:40Yes!
33:41Yes!
33:42Yes!
33:43And they came to the White House, and Jose Cardinal came.
33:49And I'm First Lady, and I can walk up to him and tell him this story about how I loved him.
33:55I loved him, and he cried, and it was just amazing.
33:59It was a full circle fashion moment, people.
34:01Well, that's all right here in the look.
34:03It is available now.
34:05Michelle Obama, everybody.
34:07Thank you so much for being here.
34:08We'll be back with Mia Gaff.
34:25Our next guest is a talented actress who goes toe to surgically attached toe
34:39with the creature she loves in Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein.
34:42You can see it on Netflix now.
34:44Please welcome Mia Gaff.
34:46How are you?
35:00I'm good.
35:01How are you?
35:02I'm doing great, thank you.
35:03I know you are from London, right?
35:05Yes.
35:06London.
35:07So were you, like, were you even old enough to remember when the Obamas, President Obama
35:12was elected?
35:13Yeah.
35:14I was in London at the time, and I remember trying to stay up to, you know, hear what the
35:18results were going to be.
35:19Oh.
35:20I remember falling asleep and then waking up in the morning and checking the time.
35:23And then I ran over to my television, and I turned it on, and I saw that Barack Obama
35:27had won.
35:28And it was amazing.
35:29It was such a special moment, and really kind of the first time in my life that I was,
35:33you know.
35:34Politically aware.
35:35Yeah, yeah.
35:36What else were you into at that age?
35:39Well, um, Amy Winehouse.
35:43Oh, okay.
35:44Yeah.
35:45Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:46I was, I, you know, there were people that liked Amy Winehouse, there were people that
35:52loved Amy Winehouse, and then there was me.
35:54And so, you know, I was a complete fanatic, and I would dress like her.
36:03I would do my eyeliner like her.
36:04Really?
36:05I would have my ballet flats like her.
36:08And then one day, somehow, I discovered where she lived.
36:13And I thought to myself, brilliant.
36:16And I went there for years.
36:20And I would go with a friend.
36:22I had maybe three, four friends that I rotated around, and then they would come up to Camden
36:27with me.
36:28And we would just sit there on the stoop.
36:30And it was me and maybe five, ten other people at a time.
36:33And it got to a point where I was so determined to see Amy Winehouse that I decided that we
36:40had to start camping outside of our house.
36:42And so we would buy a loaf of bread and some milk, and we would get all settled in and cosy
36:49up on the stoop.
36:50And I never saw her.
36:52And, you know, it got to a point where I was like, OK, well, I'm going to go to Amy Winehouse's
36:57house this Saturday.
36:58You know, it was my hobby.
37:00You know, some people cook.
37:02Some people play guitar.
37:04And I would go to Amy Winehouse's house.
37:06It was my thing.
37:08Did you ever think about going to see her in concert?
37:13No.
37:15No, yeah.
37:16No.
37:17No, I didn't.
37:18And did you, like, knock on the door?
37:21I would knock on the door.
37:22Oh.
37:23I would knock on the door.
37:24Did she like that?
37:25Well, there was one time.
37:26The one time that no one decided to come with me, I thought, you know what?
37:30I'm just going to do it on my own.
37:31So I go there, and there's no one there.
37:33And I think to myself, OK.
37:36So then I go, and I knock on the door, and she answers.
37:41She answers on her little monitor, and she says, hello.
37:46And I can't believe she's there.
37:48And so I say, hi, Amy.
37:49And I didn't expect her to pick up.
37:51So I just said, I've got your guitar.
37:54And she's like, what?
37:55And she hung up.
37:57But it was everything I ever needed.
37:59And I took it.
38:00I can't find your guitar.
38:02By the way, Frankenstein is great, and you did a great job in it.
38:06And I have to tell you something.
38:09I didn't even realize that you play two roles in the movie.
38:15Yeah.
38:16I knew you played the main one, but I did not know you were playing the mom also.
38:20Yeah.
38:21And originally, when I had met Guillermo del Toro about the project, he offered me three roles.
38:26Oh, wow.
38:27Yeah, yeah.
38:28So we met over an omelet, and we were talking.
38:29And he said, what do you think of the script?
38:31And I said, it's incredible, Guillermo.
38:32It's everything you'd want it to be.
38:34And he said, do you want to be Elizabeth?
38:36I said, sure.
38:37And Claire, OK.
38:39And Justine, sure.
38:40And I walked away from a meeting with Guillermo del Toro with three roles.
38:44Three roles?
38:45It was because...
38:46Three roles?
38:47That seems like all...
38:48Did you get three salaries, or did you just get the one?
38:50Just the one.
38:51But I would have paid him to have done it.
38:53It is interesting.
38:54It's almost like an Eddie Murphy meet the clumps or something.
38:57You play all his roles.
38:58So you play three roles in the film.
39:00Well, it was going to be three, but then we had to cut Justine out just to keep the movie.
39:05I see.
39:06OK, all right.
39:07Well, that's...
39:08You know what?
39:09That's good because, yeah, if another actor had played that role, they would have been very,
39:12very disappointed, but for you, no big deal.
39:14You got two already.
39:15Yeah.
39:16Yeah.
39:17Well, have you been to...
39:18Guillermo del Toro at his home has a Frankenstein room.
39:21Yes.
39:22And this is...
39:23I've actually been to this room.
39:24Oh, yeah.
39:25Did he take you there?
39:26Yeah.
39:27OK.
39:28Describe what this room is like.
39:31I was speechless.
39:32I've never seen any house room like this.
39:35I mean, he has a statue of Mary Shelley.
39:38He has the creature's head.
39:40Huge.
39:41Huge creature's head.
39:42Yeah.
39:43Yeah.
39:44But, you know, just the whole house, it was just unbelievable.
39:47Yeah.
39:48And you really get an insight into Guillermo and who he is and what, you know, excites him
39:53and inspires him.
39:54And, I mean, it was amazing.
39:56It really is something else.
39:57Yeah.
39:58I mean, he loves this so intensely, more intensely than I think I've ever seen anybody love anything,
40:04really, right?
40:05Yeah.
40:06All the props and the objects and he believes in ghosts.
40:09You know, he was...
40:10You know this, I assume.
40:11Yes.
40:12Yes.
40:13And he's dying to see a ghost.
40:14Yes.
40:15Yes.
40:16Did he express this to you as well?
40:17Yes.
40:18I mean, we were filming in Scotland and we were in a small town in Aberdeen and, you know,
40:23he had the option of staying at, you know, a Hilton or something like that or this other
40:28hotel, which was really haunted.
40:30And he decided to stick his whole crew in the haunted hotel.
40:33Oh, yeah.
40:34Naturally.
40:35Yeah.
40:36And you had to stay in the haunted hotel?
40:37Yeah.
40:38We all stayed in the haunted...
40:39Yeah.
40:40Yeah.
40:41Were you wishing that you'd been in the non-haunted hotel?
40:44No, because I'm desperate to see a ghost too.
40:46Oh, you are?
40:47Yeah.
40:48Yeah.
40:49That's why he gave you three roles.
40:50Yeah.
40:51You guys are in the same wavelength.
40:53I'm desperate to never see a ghost.
40:56I heard a creaking in my room.
40:58One time, I think I was brushing my teeth or something and I heard a creak and I thought
41:02to myself, it's happening.
41:03But then that was it.
41:05Turned out to just be an intruder.
41:09Well, congratulations on the movie and working with Guillermo and doing such a great job.
41:15It's called Frankenstein.
41:16If you've not seen it, it is on Netflix now.
41:18You can watch it.
41:19Mia Goth, everybody.
41:20Thank you, Mia.
41:21It'll be right back.
41:28Well, I want to thank Michelle Obama and Mia Goth for being here today.
41:32I'd like to apologize to Matt Damon.
41:35We did run out of time for him.
41:37The show is now over.
41:38Nightlight is next.
41:40Good night.
41:42Thank you, Miriam.
41:49Good night.
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