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00:00From Hollywood, it's Jimmy Kimmel Live!
00:04Tonight, Sean Penn, Owen Cooper,
00:08and music from Ameren with Cleto and the Cletones.
00:13And now, Jimmy Kimmel!
00:30Hi, I'm Jimmy. I am the host of the show.
00:35Thank you very much. Welcome.
00:37Thank you for joining us here in Los Angeles.
00:46The second largest city in our bitterly divided nation,
00:49where like the rest of the country,
00:51we're still trying to wrap our heads around
00:53the senseless murder of the popular podcaster
00:56and conservative activist Charlie Kirk yesterday,
00:59that death has amplified our anger, our differences.
01:02And I've seen a lot of extraordinarily vile responses to this
01:06from both sides of the political spectrum.
01:08Some people are cheering this,
01:10which is something I won't ever understand.
01:13We had another school shooting yesterday in Colorado,
01:16the 100th one of the year.
01:18And with all these terrible things happening,
01:20you would think that our president
01:21would at least make an attempt to bring us together.
01:23But he didn't.
01:25President Obama did.
01:26President Biden did.
01:27Presidents Bush and Clinton did.
01:28President Trump did not.
01:30Instead, he blamed Democrats for their rhetoric.
01:32The man who told a crowd of supporters
01:35that maybe the Second Amendment people
01:37should do something about Hillary Clinton.
01:39The man who said he wouldn't mind
01:41if someone shot through the fake news media.
01:43The man who unleashed a mob on the Capitol
01:45and said Liz Cheney should face nine-barrel shooting at her
01:49for supporting his opponent blames the radical left for their rhetoric.
01:54And then the man who on 9-11, 2001, bragged that his building
01:59was now the tallest building in New York, which wasn't even true, by the way,
02:03visited the Pentagon for a 9-11 memorial.
02:06Which, believe it or not, he made a bigly improvement over last year
02:10when he showed up at a 9-11 remembrance at a fire station in Lower Manhattan
02:15with a 9-11 conspiracy theorist who claims it was an inside job.
02:19This year, he brought his wife, which was better for sure.
02:22And I have to say, I don't know what's going on, but those two lovebirds,
02:26they seem to be closer than ever.
02:28I mean, if you see, during the ceremony, in a tender moment,
02:34Donald reaches over and gives her a little tap.
02:39Like he was, he taps her like he's hoping ketchup would come out.
02:44And she didn't really respond.
02:47Maybe that's their signal for my diaper is full.
02:50I don't know.
02:51And then he was off to New York for a Yankees game.
02:54Slo DiMaggio made an appearance at Yankee Stadium
02:57after an appearance last week at the U.S. Open.
02:59It's all part of his getting booed in public tour.
03:02Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani was supposed to go to the Yankee game
03:05with him to sit with the president,
03:07but he accidentally showed up at a Yankee Candle store.
03:10So, Uncle Scam, though, he's all over the place right now.
03:13You know, last month, Trump, he fired the commissioner
03:17of the Bureau of Labor and Statistics
03:19because he didn't like the job numbers she released.
03:21So we replaced her, and now we have a new round of numbers.
03:25And guess what?
03:26Those numbers are bad, too.
03:27We added 900,000 fewer jobs than projected.
03:30I wonder, do you think they fight over who has to give them the news?
03:34Like, no, you go, I'm not bringing them these numbers.
03:37But say what you like about him.
03:39He surrounds himself with the best people.
03:41They had hearings this morning to confirm some new Trump nominees,
03:45including our next ambassador to the Bahamas,
03:48which is former NFL running back
03:50and disgraced former Senate candidate Herschel Walker.
03:53You may remember Herschel Walker, when he ran for Senate in Georgia,
03:57was plagued by a series of scandals and gaffes,
04:00including an admission that he fathered multiple children out of wedlock,
04:03and allegations that he paid for two abortions despite his strong pro-life stance.
04:09So today, he sat before the Foreign Affairs Committee
04:13and the Honorable Senator Ted Cruz.
04:15He is a man of great faith, discipline, dependability, and resilience.
04:21Indeed, when it comes to discipline, one of the things I've learned about Herschel
04:24is he doesn't eat breakfast and he doesn't eat lunch.
04:28That's right. He can't figure out how to use a fork.
04:31Herschel is not what you might call a scholar.
04:37Let's just say if it wasn't for football,
04:39there's a chance Herschel might not have gotten into college.
04:42At one time, science said man came from apes. Did it not?
04:47Well, this was interesting, though.
04:49If that is true, why are there still apes?
04:53Think about it.
04:55I haven't been able to stop thinking about it for years since you said it.
04:59So with that kind of brain power sloshing around in his head,
05:02it was time for the H-man to answer some questions.
05:05What policy approaches, in your judgment, should we pursue
05:09to help the Bahamas resist Chinese pressure?
05:12Oh, this should be good.
05:14One of the things that I feel that I would do
05:17to get China to is continue to work with the Bahamian people
05:22to make sure that we become the partner of choice.
05:26And at the same time, work with a lot of the American companies
05:33to come to the Bahamas to see the key investments
05:37that they can make down in the Bahamas
05:39to come back against China,
05:41because I think they are coming down with a lot of money.
05:44Well, maybe sports don't prepare you for life, you know?
05:47I feel like we could just send him to a Margaritaville
05:50and tell him he's in the Bahamas.
05:52Welcome, Ambassador Walker.
05:54Can I get you a double cheeseburger in paradise?
05:57Oh, right, you don't eat lunch. Never mind.
06:01If confirmed, Walker would join another former football player
06:05in the Trump administration.
06:06Last month, he named Hall of Fame linebacker Lawrence Taylor
06:10to his council on sports, fitness and nutrition,
06:13though that seemed to be news to Lawrence.
06:15I'm just proud to be on this, on this team.
06:20I don't know why.
06:22I don't know what we're supposed to be doing,
06:25but I'm here to serve.
06:27I'm here to serve you.
06:28Okay, so I'm gonna do the best I can for as long as I can.
06:33Thank you very much.
06:36Well, at least LT's honest.
06:37He's like, I have no idea what I'm doing here, but here I am.
06:42You know, down in Florida, there's always something stupid going on.
06:45No state provides us with more nonsense.
06:47And with that said, it's time to check in on This Week in Florida.
06:54This is Shirley Passamanic, 70 years young and just 90 pounds.
06:59She says she's still recovering after a fight to save her dog's life.
07:03Her 14-year-old dog, Sparky, suddenly mauled by a pit bull.
07:08I couldn't open his mouth.
07:09I'm a 90-pound, 70-year-old woman.
07:11You know what I mean?
07:12So I bit him on the back of the neck.
07:15That's right.
07:16She bit the pit bull back, which actually worked.
07:20I bit him.
07:21I had to.
07:22I'm 91 pounds.
07:25Well, you know what?
07:29At least she's finally eating.
07:32Right?
07:33I mean...
07:34They're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
07:36They're eating the cats.
07:38They're eating...
07:39They're eating the pets.
07:41That's right.
07:42What happened to that?
07:43I guess they stopped eating the pets.
07:45Florida isn't the only weird state, by the way.
07:47We have some characters here in California ourselves.
07:50Just over the hill from us in Burbank, we've got humans.
07:53While they might not be biting dogs, they are acting like them.
07:57New tonight, the so-called Burbank butt sniffer is headed to jail.
08:01He was arrested twice in two months for sniffing a woman's backside in a Burbank store.
08:07Well, what do you expect from the Burbank butt sniffer?
08:10It's right in the title of his name.
08:13It's...
08:14What's next?
08:15Are you gonna arrest Cedric for entertaining?
08:17In Washington, lawmakers are still squabbling over these Epstein files.
08:24Republican senators blocked a motion to force a vote on making the Department of Justice
08:29release the files.
08:30The vote went 51-49.
08:32If you're keeping score, Republicans spent the last four years demanding the release of
08:36these Epstein files, and the last four months screaming,
08:39do not release these Epstein files.
08:41It's very suspicious.
08:42As far as I see, there are only two plausible reasons for refusing to release the files.
08:46Either Trump's in it, or they are.
08:49There's nothing else.
08:50I think part of the reason these files are so tantalizing is we know literally everything
08:55else about Donald Trump.
08:57We know what he eats.
08:58We know what he thinks.
08:59We know what he's tweeting from the toilet.
09:01There are tell-all books and tell-all books about the tell-all books.
09:05But these files are the one thing that's still a mystery when it comes to the world's most
09:11famous orangutans.
09:12So, which means there must be something truly crazy in them.
09:17Like video of him nude riding a jet ski?
09:20Or maybe Polaroids of a crooked little mushroom stump?
09:24I don't know.
09:25No, no.
09:26I'm just asking questions, okay?
09:28You know, I mentioned last night that in response to the backlash from the MAGAverse, Cracker
09:34Barrel, not only did they change their logo back, they've decided to pump the brakes on
09:39plans to renovate their restaurants, which is a big win, not just for their inexplicably
09:44angry customers, but also for one very specific small business.
09:48The woke Cracker Barrel rebrand is officially canceled, which is great news for us at the
09:54Things on Restaurant Walls warehouse outlet.
09:58We've got washboards, wooden ducks, canes, fishing nets, top hats, a grainy photo of a
10:03white family, a lobster, a street sign that says Broadway, giant wooden fork, old baseball
10:08mitts, a weather vane, vintage gas station stuff, an electric guitar, a stop sign, a surfboard,
10:13a newspaper that says Dewey defeats Truman, the letter E, an enormous playing card, a frisbee,
10:20a bonzie, and much, much more, which I will continue to list right now.
10:25A stuffed eel, a paintball, an egg crate, a framed $2 bill, a dartboard, a tractor seat,
10:31spurs, a trombone, a plane propeller, a section of picket fence, a sword, a piece of a car,
10:37a mannequin.
10:38Just remember.
10:39When your walls are bare, no going anywhere, but the thing's on Restaurant Walls warehouse
10:45I'll play.
10:46A hockey mask, or a pirate flag, or a prop from Trevino, or a giant watch, or a metal bucket,
10:52or a chug-a-boo shine, or a polo stick, or a skeleton of an owl.
10:59On Route 9, inside the old airport.
11:02Hoo-hoo!
11:04We've got a good show tonight from Adolescence.
11:07Owen Cooper is here.
11:08We have music from Amore, and we'll be right back with Sean Penn.
11:12Hi there, welcome back tonight.
11:23A very talented young man.
11:25He is an Emmy nominee at only 15 years old.
11:28From the show Adolescence, Owen Cooper is with us tonight.
11:32And then later, this is her album.
11:36It is called Black Star Music from Amore tonight.
11:39Next week.
11:42Oh, we have a great week next week.
11:44New shows with top-tier guests including John Oliver, Wanda Sykes, Chelsea Handler, Frank
11:49Grillo, Bill Nye, Grace Van Patten, Jay Shetty, Chef Christian Petroni will be here.
11:54You know he's gonna make us Guillermo?
11:56No.
11:57Meatballs.
11:58Oh, I love meatballs.
11:59The perfect food.
12:00Exactly.
12:01Number one.
12:02Yes, that's right.
12:03And Rob Lowe will be here.
12:04He will not be making us meatballs, but we will have music from Margot Price, The Swell Season,
12:08and Zack Brown Band.
12:09So please join us for all that.
12:11Our first guest tonight is an Oscar-winning actor, director, author, and the Spicoli against
12:16whom all others are measured.
12:18He gives a much celebrated performance as Colonel Steven Lockjaw in the movie from Paul
12:23Thomas Anderson.
12:24It's called One Battle After Another.
12:26It opens in theaters September 26th.
12:28Please welcome Sean Penn.
12:29Very good to see you.
12:33Hey Sean, you remember when you, years ago, you and Kid Rock sat down to show that we could
12:41talk to each other and even though we have differences?
12:58Seems like such a distant memory.
13:00Yeah.
13:01It didn't work.
13:02It didn't work.
13:03Yeah.
13:04It seems that we can't do that, right?
13:06Do you find that it's more difficult to have conversations with people you don't agree
13:09with now?
13:10No.
13:11No?
13:12Actually, no.
13:13No, I don't.
13:14I think it is the fashion of the public debate.
13:17Mm-hmm.
13:18But I find that when, in 90% of cases that, in fact, everybody is hungering to dismiss
13:29that disconnect.
13:30It's there and it's, and it's, it is what is overwhelming us all.
13:35But, uh, but it's, it's not, when the crowd's not around, it's not what people want.
13:40You, you've had an exceptionally interesting life.
13:44I mean, I think most famous actors have interesting lives, but yours is, I think, a level above
13:49that.
13:50And I have a photograph here that I wanted to ask you about because this is, speaking
13:54of this seeming like a very long time.
13:56Well, and this was a pretty long time ago.
13:58There's, um, you at, uh, a table with Jack Nicholson and Vladimir Putin, who seems to be
14:06about to poison you with whatever this is.
14:09When was this?
14:11The year, I'm not sure of, but we, Jack and I had made a movie called The Pledge that
14:16we took to the Moscow Film Festival.
14:18Uh-huh.
14:19And in, as part of the festival, there was something that, uh, um, that thing, uh, arrived
14:26at.
14:27Yeah.
14:28Was it a friendly conversation then, back then?
14:31Well, we talked about fatherhood.
14:34Fatherhood?
14:35Yeah.
14:36Really?
14:37I'll just, uh, time capsule it for you, because it was approximately two to three weeks after
14:41then-President Bush, uh, said I looked into his eyes and I felt I could trust him.
14:46And I have to say when I say that, I, I was conned also.
14:50I've, I felt that there was something genuine there.
14:53Uh, now we know that he's very willing to kidnap 30,000 kids, murder a lot of people,
14:58uh, and, uh, teach those kids to hate their parents and their country.
15:03And yet, our country isn't together enough to realize that we should give them the resources
15:08to defeat him.
15:09Well, I think most of our country is.
15:11I don't know that the people running the country seem to understand that.
15:15Yeah.
15:16Yeah.
15:17You, um, uh, and you, so you talked about fatherhood with him.
15:21He's got kids and, um, what, it's weird.
15:24Were you speaking through an interpreter, I assume?
15:26Yes.
15:27He clearly, he, he, he clearly speaks and understands more English than he lets on.
15:32Than he lets on, yeah.
15:33KGB thing.
15:34Uh-huh.
15:35Yeah.
15:36Yeah.
15:37I guess it makes sense to do that.
15:38And he was, was he a fan of yours and Jack's from the movies?
15:42Oh, I, I wouldn't know if he was a fan.
15:44Yes, I would say he was a fan of Jack's.
15:46Everyone is a fan of Jack's.
15:48In fact, what was very funny at one point, because just to his left off, off that shot,
15:54was, um, the man who had written the, their, um, national anthem for Stalin.
16:01I, I, I, his age was roughly dead.
16:05He, he, he, he didn't say a single word when we were introduced to him.
16:10He's in his dress greens with all of his medals.
16:13And so for about an hour and a half, the only thing I saw of this guy was, was, he's
16:18going to die at the table.
16:19Yeah.
16:20And the table was about 20 people.
16:23And they're all watching Putin and Nicholson having a conversation and trying to listen.
16:30And finally, there's a little lull in all of it.
16:32And when there is, the old man leans into Putin's ear and whispers something.
16:39Jack looks to the whole table and he says, he's telling them, don't change the anthem.
16:44That's funny.
16:49That is so crazy to see you guys sitting at a table together.
16:53Oh, you know, I don't know if you're aware of this, but Brad Pitt was on, uh, Dax Shepard's
16:58podcast, Armchair Expert.
16:59And he said that, um, Dax asked him if he'd been starstruck by anyone he'd worked with.
17:04And he said he was starstruck by working with you.
17:07Brad Pitt's a very discerning man.
17:09Yeah.
17:12Had you heard that, uh, that he said that?
17:14He has said nice things over the years, and I, and I can answer them mutually.
17:18Uh-huh.
17:19Uh-huh.
17:20I'm a gigantic fan.
17:21Did you sense that he was starstruck when you met him?
17:23No.
17:24How do you handle that when you're gonna work with somebody, when you guys acted together,
17:28when you're gonna work with somebody and they are just, they can't get over it?
17:32I think that, um, among the colleagues that I've had sort of around this kind of a conversation
17:39with, it tends to be mutual.
17:41Uh, and if not initially, because perhaps they are newer actors.
17:45Uh-huh.
17:46Right.
17:47Well, that, you know, when someone feels that the other person is talented, there's,
17:52uh, an excitement in that.
17:54Some of it's a selfish excitement, because the better someone else is in the scene, the
17:58more it feeds you in the scene.
18:00Do you feel that the better somebody else is, the better you are?
18:04Absolutely.
18:05Sure.
18:06And also, you know, you're there taking a big chunk of your life committed to something
18:09that takes a lot of concentration.
18:11And, um, it, it, if the movie as a whole, or the play as a whole isn't working, um, you've
18:19wasted your time a little bit more.
18:21Who have you been most starstruck by?
18:23Have you been starstruck?
18:24Meryl Streep.
18:26Meryl Streep.
18:27Oh, yeah.
18:28That's a pretty good one.
18:29Yeah.
18:30Do you feel comfortable and get over it quickly?
18:31Yeah, she's...
18:32I didn't...
18:33I haven't worked with her, but I've met her on several occasions.
18:36Uh-huh.
18:37She's a very elegant person.
18:38Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:39You...
18:40I heard you're...
18:41You build furniture.
18:42I do, yeah.
18:43What kind of furniture are you building?
18:45It tends to have a lot of hidden compartments in it.
18:48Okay.
18:49Uh, much like yourself, I guess.
18:53And, uh, do you...
18:54You have, like, a whole wood shop at your house?
18:56Yeah.
18:57Yeah?
18:58And you get...
18:59How much, like, are you out there all day working on stuff?
19:01Generally from 5.30 in the morning till about midnight.
19:04And then do you put the stuff in your house, or do you give it away, or...?
19:09Well, I put the stuff in the house, and then if it's heavy, I think I'm a near complete piece of furniture,
19:14then the house has to pay the price for a little while.
19:16I don't want to keep carrying it back and forth, so I'll do the cutting right in the den, or wherever it is, and let it go all messy.
19:22I don't put things down, because I like to vacuum.
19:26Okay.
19:27All right.
19:28I get that.
19:29I like to vacuum, too.
19:30Yeah.
19:31There's something about, yeah, vacuuming that, yeah.
19:33It's squared away.
19:34Have you...
19:35Do you have a power washer?
19:36I have a...
19:37I do have a power washer.
19:38Is there anything better than that?
19:39It's really great.
19:40Well, I have the power washer, but also because I smoke, and because I allow others to smoke in my home.
19:47Uh-huh.
19:48Yeah, you love smoking.
19:49And because I like things tidy when I'm socializing, I have...
19:53It's like the size of a 500 Magnum, and it's a vacuum cleaner, and it's...
20:00Oh, you have a little handy vac?
20:01Yeah, yeah.
20:02Really?
20:03Yeah.
20:04In a hidden compartment out here.
20:07In the furniture, yeah.
20:09Yeah.
20:10Yeah.
20:11I like that.
20:12I didn't know you were...
20:13Are you like a neat freak?
20:14I like...
20:15I like...
20:16I want to earn a gravestone that says a squared away individual.
20:22That's my goal in life.
20:23A squared away individual.
20:25Yeah.
20:26I like that.
20:27Yeah.
20:28Well, we're gonna take a break, and we're gonna see a clip from this squared away individual's
20:31new film.
20:32It is called One Battle After Another.
20:35Sean Penn is here with us.
20:37I like that.
20:40You got information from me.
20:42Spit it out.
20:43Saw a car.
20:44A gray van heading north up Crock Creek Road.
20:46Terry.
20:47Couldn't tell.
20:48White man driving black girl passenger.
20:52North.
20:56Who's in these hills?
20:57Sisters of the Brave Beaver.
20:59Who are they?
21:01They grow wheat.
21:02They're nuns.
21:03Is that some kind of sick joke on God?
21:06I'm not joking.
21:08How many women?
21:10I don't know. A bunch.
21:12Ten or twenty.
21:14Weapons?
21:16I think they're vegetarian.
21:19That is so intense in one battle after another.
21:22I can't wait to see that one.
21:25I'm hearing very, very good things about the film.
21:28You're happy with the way it came out?
21:30It's, you know, so many times if you come, you know, like here
21:35you feel like you're hustling for a movie.
21:39Yeah, right.
21:39This one, as a movie fan, I see no one should miss this movie.
21:43This guy, Paul Thomas Anderson, is touched and...
21:48He's brilliant, yeah.
21:50It really, it's so...
21:52He has absolutely no relationship with convention.
21:56When he sends you a script, do you even really need to read it
22:00or are you sure you're going to do the movie before he sends it?
22:03I was predisposed to do a movie.
22:08He and I have talked for a long time.
22:09I did a little thing with him on Licorice Pizza,
22:12but to actually do the full thing together
22:16and with Leo DiCaprio, who I hadn't worked with before,
22:19but I've known him since he was 15 and love him, of course.
22:24And Benicio Del Toro, Teyana Taylor, it was a great cast.
22:28And then this girl, Chase Infinity, that's her name,
22:32who's sort of, is magic.
22:37It's, and Gina Hall.
22:40It's just an incredible cast, but this screenwriting,
22:43the direction of this film is...
22:46We had a premiere the other night,
22:49and I was reminded of how much a film,
22:53if a film's great,
22:55then it's going to be twice as great
22:57when the audience gets it and is with it.
23:00The audience becomes part of it.
23:01Right.
23:01And every nuance, nothing handed, spoon-fed,
23:07being in that room, this guy was able to...
23:10Everyone in that audience understood every beat of it,
23:14and you could feel the energy of it.
23:16It's, you know, I don't...
23:19I'm sure if you go online,
23:20you won't find me talking like this about a movie.
23:23This is really something.
23:25Well, you know, it's interesting,
23:27and also I'm going to be in the future
23:29when you come on the show,
23:30and you don't say how much you like it.
23:33I think then we'll know what a really...
23:35what an excellent actor you are.
23:37I wasn't planning...
23:38I wasn't planning to come back.
23:39Or, well...
23:40You, um...
23:48You, uh...
23:49Is it still, like, exciting to hear,
23:51like, Steven Spielberg thought
23:52this is your best performance ever?
23:54Is that something that...
23:56registers with you, or...?
23:59Are you jaded to that sort of thing now?
24:02It is highly encouraging.
24:05And what happened is so interesting,
24:07because people respond to this movie,
24:09notwithstanding my part in it,
24:11or not the movie.
24:13And so, since it started to screen a bit,
24:16I've gotten a lot of texts.
24:20But that guy, when he says something,
24:23all of a sudden,
24:24it was international.
24:26Texts from people I hadn't talked to
24:27in India for 14 years,
24:29or whatever it was.
24:31Yeah, he...
24:31You know, he's got a...
24:34You know, and God spoke
24:35when it comes to, you know,
24:37storytellers that people admire.
24:39Is Steven Lockjaw
24:39the best character name
24:41you've ever had in a film?
24:43It's pretty good, isn't it?
24:44It's pretty good, yeah.
24:45Colonel Steven Lockjaw.
24:46Is it true that you,
24:48that your son, Hopper,
24:50that you originally wanted
24:52to name him Steak?
24:53That is true.
24:54That is true.
24:56So you said,
24:57you know what would be great
24:58is to name the baby Steak.
25:00Correct.
25:01And that was rejected, obviously.
25:04She exercised a veto.
25:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:07Steak was...
25:08Were there other weird choices,
25:09or was it Steak...
25:10No, I think Hopper was next.
25:12Hopper was number two.
25:13Yeah, I think so.
25:14Did you lead with Steak,
25:15and then knowing you would get Hopper?
25:17I wanted Steak.
25:18You wanted Steak?
25:19Yeah.
25:20Because you love Steak?
25:21Yeah.
25:22And you're like,
25:23what could be better,
25:23what's better than Steak?
25:25Also give a kid a challenge.
25:31At this point in your career,
25:34and I think it's interesting
25:35you talking about the fact
25:36that you'd not worked
25:37with Leo DiCaprio before,
25:38because, you know,
25:39just you guys have both been
25:40in so many great films,
25:41I would assume you had.
25:43And, but you haven't,
25:44you haven't worked
25:44with Spielberg before,
25:46although it sounds like
25:47he's grooming you
25:48for ET2 or something.
25:50Are there people that you,
25:52are there directors specifically
25:53that you would love
25:55to work with
25:56that you haven't?
25:58Oh, yeah.
25:59It was tricky
25:59about questions like this.
26:00Is it, you know,
26:02you say one and...
26:03All right, well,
26:03I'll say one for you.
26:04Marty Scorsese.
26:05Yes, please.
26:06Yes, you would like
26:07to work with Marty Scorsese.
26:09Yeah.
26:09If he called,
26:10you would say,
26:10you would make yourself available.
26:13Well, again,
26:14you still want to know
26:15that you believe yourself
26:18that you can be value added
26:19to something.
26:20So it would still take,
26:22you know,
26:22a read,
26:23but...
26:25You'd consider it.
26:27Oh, I, I, I,
26:28I, I, I'm...
26:29Marty, please call.
26:31You didn't,
26:34you, didn't you,
26:36you shadow him,
26:38um, at one time?
26:39I did.
26:39He was very generous.
26:40I had direct,
26:41the first movie I directed,
26:42you kind of,
26:43you get to the end of that
26:45and you say,
26:46oh, now I know
26:48what to look for.
26:49And so I called him
26:51and I said,
26:51could I come
26:53and I'll audit your set?
26:54He was shooting
26:55Cape Fear at the time
26:56down in Florida.
26:57So I went down
26:58and did about five days
27:01or something on set.
27:02And you just watched him?
27:04I, I just watched him.
27:06He would involve us
27:08at the monitor.
27:08It was his first
27:10widescreen picture.
27:12Mm-hmm.
27:12Uh, and, um,
27:15and then I would also
27:16be politely escorted
27:19away from him
27:20as someone saw me
27:21go for a cigarette
27:22because he's a little
27:23intolerant to the smokes.
27:24I watched a lot of it
27:26from about 100 meters out.
27:28So given,
27:30so you had to choose
27:31between Scorsese
27:32and cigarettes
27:33and you chose
27:34the cigarettes
27:35at that point.
27:36I, I, um,
27:37I, well,
27:38I chose the cigarettes
27:39the way I do,
27:40let's say,
27:41in a marriage
27:42about 75%.
27:43So the rest of the time
27:45I was right there with it.
27:45Okay, all right, all right.
27:49Compromise.
27:49It's all about compromise.
27:51I love smoking.
27:55Hey, you gotta do
27:56what you love,
27:56you know?
27:57Yeah, it's the Bukowski line.
27:59Find something you love
28:00and let it kill you.
28:02Sean Penn, everybody.
28:03His movie,
28:03One Battle After Another,
28:05opens in theaters
28:06September 26th.
28:07We'll be back
28:08with Owen Cooper.
28:09Next week on Jimmy Kimmel Live,
28:17Wanda Sykes,
28:19Rob Love,
28:20Chelsea Handler,
28:21and John Oliver,
28:22plus music from
28:24Margo Price,
28:25The Swell Season,
28:26and Zach Brown Band.
28:27Hi, and welcome back
28:37to the show.
28:38Amore's on the way.
28:39Our second guest tonight
28:40is a teenager
28:41who is going to the Emmys
28:43this weekend
28:44as a first-time nominee.
28:46He does excellent work
28:48in the Netflix series
28:49Adolescence.
28:50Please welcome
28:50Owen Cooper.
28:51How are you, Owen?
29:05Owen, I'm going to
29:06embarrass you now.
29:07I have to tell you,
29:09like, I've rarely seen
29:10anything as impressive
29:11as your performance
29:13in this show.
29:14It is just...
29:14I'm sure you hear it all.
29:16So much so,
29:20I'm a little bit
29:20frightened of you.
29:21I think you might perhaps
29:22be an actual killer.
29:25No, no, no.
29:26You're not a killer.
29:27No, I'm all right.
29:27Are the other kids
29:28at school scared of you now?
29:30No.
29:31No, good.
29:31Okay, that's good.
29:32You don't want that.
29:33You're still in school, right?
29:34Yeah, yeah,
29:35I'm back in school.
29:36Real school,
29:37like, not like,
29:37you know, here in Hollywood
29:38we have this fake school
29:40that we send the children to.
29:42And then when they grow up,
29:43they are illiterate.
29:45I mean, the only thing
29:46they can read are scripts.
29:48It's very sad,
29:49the system we have here.
29:50No, yeah, I'm back in school.
29:52Back in school?
29:52Wednesday.
29:53So were you in school,
29:54like, yesterday?
29:55Tuesday I was in school.
29:56Tuesday you were in school.
29:57Yeah.
29:58And then you go back when?
30:00Wednesday.
30:00So you have to be in school
30:01on Wednesday morning.
30:02Yeah.
30:03After the Emmys.
30:04Will your classmates
30:04be watching the Emmys?
30:06They're not staying up
30:07until four in the morning.
30:08Okay, they're not.
30:09They'll wait to see.
30:10Yeah.
30:10They wouldn't watch it anyway,
30:12too far.
30:12Is it, like, a topic
30:13for you guys?
30:14Like, did they watch the show
30:16or are they too young
30:17to watch the show?
30:18No, no.
30:19They've all watched the show,
30:20but, yeah,
30:21they're not really bothered
30:22to be fair.
30:23Uh-huh.
30:23Yeah.
30:24So for those who haven't
30:25seen the show,
30:25and a lot of the people
30:26in our eyes have seen the show,
30:28the thing about it is,
30:30this is your first acting job,
30:31right?
30:32Yeah, yeah.
30:32The show is in one long shot,
30:36so an hour, almost an hour,
30:38most of the episodes,
30:40and if you go 45 minutes
30:42and then screw it up,
30:44they have to start
30:45all the way back.
30:46Well, it has to be, like,
30:47a proper mess up, though.
30:48Like, if you just, like,
30:49say, like, the wrong line
30:52or, like, cough or lose your voice,
30:55like, you're all right,
30:55but it has to be, like,
30:56a proper bad mess up
30:57for you to go all the way back.
30:59Okay.
30:59But no one did that on set, so.
31:01You no one screwed up?
31:02No.
31:03Nobody screwed up?
31:04No.
31:05That makes it even scarier,
31:07I think.
31:08No, we had two weeks
31:09rehearsal, so we just...
31:11Do you get more and more tense
31:12as you're shooting,
31:14as you're getting close
31:15to the finish?
31:15Does it become more nerve-wracking?
31:17Yeah, no, the last one.
31:18The last one,
31:19first time I've ever felt nervous
31:21on set,
31:22because it was, like,
31:23the last time,
31:24especially episode four.
31:25Episode four was the last one
31:26we shot, and then
31:27when we shot that,
31:29when I was about,
31:29when I was about to
31:30take the phone call,
31:31I was proper, like...
31:33Yeah.
31:34Yeah.
31:34You have that long scene,
31:36and you have to remember
31:36all of those lines,
31:38and it's really,
31:39I mean, it's not,
31:40there's no kidding around
31:41kid acting.
31:42It is serious acting
31:44that you have to do.
31:45And, boy, did you,
31:46I mean, you did
31:47an absolutely great job,
31:48and now you're an Emmy nominee,
31:50or you're actually people
31:51who believe you're an Emmy Emmy.
31:52Are you,
31:55are you prepared
31:58for the ceremony?
31:59Have you thought about
32:01who you might thank
32:02and memorized a speech
32:04of any kind?
32:04I haven't won yet,
32:05have I, so...
32:06Yeah, okay.
32:07But, you know...
32:09You have to have something
32:10in mind,
32:11or you'll forget somebody,
32:12and they'll be mad.
32:13No, no, they won't.
32:15You'll be all right.
32:16But, yeah,
32:16I'm going to get there,
32:18take the photos and all that,
32:19do all the media,
32:19sort of, like, rubbish,
32:21and then, um...
32:22Get in there,
32:25get to my seat,
32:26and then just chew
32:27Jake Gyllenhaal,
32:28Jake Gyllenhaal's ear off
32:29all night.
32:30Oh, Jake Gyllenhaal?
32:31Is he who you're, like,
32:32looking forward to meeting?
32:33Yeah, he's my number one.
32:34Oh, all right.
32:36Have you requested
32:36that you be seated
32:37near Jake?
32:39Hopefully.
32:39If I'm, if I'm sat next to him,
32:40he's not going to have
32:41a good night.
32:41I'm just going to be...
32:42Really?
32:44I'm just going to be
32:45talking to him
32:45the whole night.
32:46What, what, what, um,
32:48what film was it
32:49or project that attracted
32:51you to Jake
32:51that made you, uh,
32:52a big fan?
32:53Um, Jarhead,
32:54um, Prisoners,
32:56uh, Donnie Darko.
32:59Oh, I could go on forever
33:01talking about him, honestly.
33:02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:03Them three, yeah.
33:04Yeah, well, that's,
33:05that's, that'll be fun.
33:07I mean, has he,
33:08do you know if he's seen
33:09Adolescence?
33:10Oh, probably not,
33:11but I don't care.
33:12You don't care?
33:12You're going to go ahead
33:13and see him.
33:13You know, you would be,
33:16uh, the youngest male
33:17ever to win the Emmy,
33:19should you win.
33:20The, um, well, let's see,
33:22who was the youngest male
33:23to win?
33:23Scott Jacoby.
33:25Uh, he won 16 years old
33:26in 1973 for a movie
33:28called That Certain Summer.
33:30And, um, if you win,
33:31you get to go to his house
33:32and take his Emmy from him.
33:35That's how we do it here.
33:37You know that?
33:38Yeah, I know.
33:39Yeah, I've been told
33:39about that, yeah.
33:40The youngest ever
33:41was Roxanna Zoll.
33:43She was 14 in 1984.
33:45She won for
33:46Something About Amelia.
33:47Have you heard
33:48from any of either of them?
33:49Absolutely no.
33:50You've not?
33:51You've not?
33:52Okay.
33:53Um, do you have,
33:54like, homework?
33:55Did they give you
33:55homework to take with you?
33:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:58They did?
33:58When I'm on set, yeah,
33:59like, when I get off set,
34:02I have, like,
34:02a five-minute break,
34:03play swing ball.
34:04I don't know what
34:04it's called over here.
34:05They don't swing ball,
34:06but they hit the tennis racket
34:07and it comes back around.
34:09I don't know what it's called,
34:10but...
34:10We call that jerking around.
34:11Yeah.
34:13Yeah, I'll just,
34:14yeah, I'll be doing that
34:15and then, yeah,
34:16I'll just get off
34:16straight to tutoring
34:17after that.
34:18I know on the set
34:19you have a teacher,
34:20you always have to have that,
34:21but do you, like,
34:22when you go on a trip
34:23like this,
34:23they're like,
34:24and you've got to do
34:24your math
34:25and bring it back.
34:26Well, yeah,
34:26because I take this bag
34:28with me and it's just
34:29full of books
34:30and, like,
34:31you must do this,
34:32you must do that.
34:32You know what would be fun?
34:33Bring your homework
34:34to the Emmys
34:35and see if you can get
34:36Jake Gyllenhaal
34:37to do it for you.
34:39You know?
34:40Imagine, yeah.
34:41That would be a move.
34:42Yeah.
34:45You're now,
34:46next,
34:46you're going to make
34:47your movie debut,
34:48right?
34:48Yeah.
34:49In Wuthering Heights.
34:50Yeah.
34:50Who are you in that film with?
34:52Who am I in the film with?
34:53Yeah.
34:54Like,
34:54who's acting in it?
34:55Yeah.
34:55Oh.
34:57Jacob Elordi
34:58and Michael Robbie
35:00there then.
35:00Oh, great.
35:01Wow.
35:02That's exciting, huh?
35:03Yeah.
35:05And is that,
35:06is that all in one take
35:08or were you able
35:09to film that in pieces?
35:10No, no, no, no.
35:11That's normal.
35:12Did that make it seem,
35:13did it seem very easy
35:14to you after having
35:15your first experience
35:16be this high pressure
35:17one take?
35:18No, I hated filming
35:19Wuthering Heights.
35:20Oh, you did?
35:21No, to be fair,
35:21I got used to it
35:22after a bit,
35:22but, like,
35:24in adolescence,
35:25we just,
35:25we do one take
35:26and then we're done.
35:27But in Wuthering Heights
35:28it's like,
35:28you're crying your eyes out,
35:29you're smashing
35:30stuff off the wall,
35:32oh, sorry, spoiler,
35:33but you're smashing stuff
35:35and then Emerald goes,
35:36oh, can we do it again?
35:37I'm like, no.
35:40Oh, yeah, that does make sense.
35:41I've just, like,
35:41melted my heart out
35:42on a scene
35:42and she's making me
35:43doing it again, so.
35:45But it is what it is, isn't it?
35:46Yeah, well,
35:47that's what, you know,
35:48that's what you're gonna
35:49have to get used to.
35:49Is this something like,
35:50I assume,
35:51is this something you want to do
35:52for your career
35:54for the rest of your life
35:54or is this like
35:55something you're like,
35:56yeah, I'm gonna do this
35:57for a while
35:57and then I have another plan?
35:59No, I don't have
36:00any other plans, to be fair.
36:01You have no plans, yeah.
36:02No, I've got no future
36:03in school, but.
36:06Are things not going
36:07well at school?
36:08No, no.
36:09No?
36:10Terribly, yeah.
36:10What's the problem?
36:11I don't know.
36:12What's your least
36:12favorite subject?
36:15Uh, maths.
36:18Maths.
36:18Maths, so you guys
36:19say maths, right, yeah.
36:20Maths, yeah.
36:20Yeah.
36:21I mean, now that you're,
36:22I mean, when you're,
36:23like, sitting at the Emmys
36:24and you're with all these,
36:25like, famous actors
36:26and stuff,
36:26are you thinking, like,
36:27do I really need
36:28to know algebra?
36:29Do I need?
36:30Yeah, no.
36:31I, like, that's what I think
36:32about every morning
36:32before I go to school.
36:34Every morning?
36:35Just, like, I don't,
36:36like, I want to pass.
36:38That's what I want to do.
36:38I want to pass.
36:39I don't want to fail.
36:40I just.
36:41Yeah, no, you don't want
36:41to fail.
36:42I don't want to fail.
36:42But even if you do fail,
36:43who cares?
36:44Yeah.
36:46I mean, you got
36:46a leather jacket already?
36:48You're a punk.
36:48You know what I'm saying?
36:49Well, I wish you well
36:56at the Emmys.
36:57Good luck.
36:58Congratulations on your movie
37:00and also on the show.
37:01It's called Adolescence.
37:03It's on Netflix now.
37:04Owen Cooper, everybody.
37:05We'll be back
37:06with a fun day.
37:06Thanks to Sean Penn
37:15and Owen Cooper.
37:16Apologies to Matt Damon.
37:17Nightline is next
37:18for First Problem.
37:20Blackstar is out now
37:21here with the song
37:22Fine-ish.
37:24Amore!
37:24Amore!
37:24There's room in my body
37:41I taught it to party
37:42It's gnarly
37:43It's naughty
37:44To stop
37:45The rush has subsided
37:47I want us to try it
37:49It's starting
37:50It's starting
37:51It's starting
37:52Starting with you
37:54Water down to a sip
37:57Sweating down to a drop
37:58Water down to a sip
38:00She's hot
38:00She's hot
38:01She's hot
38:02She's hot
38:03She's fine
38:03She's fine
38:04She's fine
38:05She's my fight
38:07I love her
38:08Then I don't
38:09She's always on the phone
38:10I give her what she want
38:12She's my fight
38:13She can't be out alone
38:16I'm buying all her clothes
38:17It's whatever she want
38:19She's my fight
38:20I love her
38:22Then I don't
38:22She's always on the phone
38:24I give her what she want
38:26She's my fight
38:27She can't be out alone
38:29I'm buying all her clothes
38:31It's whatever she want
38:33She's my fight
38:34I feel like I'm juice man
38:35But from 515
38:37I already smoked my sip
38:39I'm already on that beat
38:40I'm pouring it on her zoom
38:42Cause she my new sexy machine
38:44My sexy sex machine
38:45I like it new for C
38:47Don't you feel the club
38:49Don't you feel that love
38:51Don't you feel the sadness
38:53Don't you feel the love
38:54You warm me up too much
38:56I like my crush too much
38:58I know I do too much
38:59It's always good
39:00She's my fight
39:01I love her
39:03Then I don't
39:04She's always on the phone
39:05I give her what she want
39:07She's my fight
39:08She can't be out alone
39:10I'm buying all her clothes
39:12It's whatever she want
39:14She's my fight
39:15She's my fight
39:22She's my fight
39:29She's my fight
39:36This time
39:36I want you now
39:37That you're me
39:38I need now
39:39Get my lead
39:40To your life
39:40They're bridges now
39:41Now baby
39:42Now this time
39:43I spy this ring
39:44So please open your mouth
39:46Say oh
39:47She's spending all my money
39:50I'm taking more
39:52She burning through my drugs
39:53I can't buy the news for
39:55My Barbie in the club
39:57And she's not a news for
39:58I never give her what she wants
40:01She's my fight
40:03I love her
40:05Then I don't
40:05She's always on the phone
40:07I give her what she want
40:09She's my fight
40:10She can't be out alone
40:12I'm buying all her clothes
40:14It's whatever she want
40:16She's my fight
40:17I love her
40:18Then I don't
40:19She's always on the phone
40:21I give her what she want
40:22She's my fight
40:24She can't be out alone
40:26I'm buying all her clothes
40:28It's whatever she wants, she's my fight
40:31She's my fight
40:58She's my fight
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