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00:00a naval officer battles a mysterious illness below deck on the open seas he was a healthy
00:10reasonably young guy it was a puzzler but loses the fight they still hadn't determined yet what
00:17killed Lee but an autopsy provides investigators with a chilling answer for his death we found out
00:25that he had an elevated amount of arsenic in his blood you say to yourself holy cow how did that
00:31happen it would have been an accidental poisoning was it a suicide somebody had painted graffiti on
00:39the ship maybe somebody on the ship was trying to kill him I said oh man I hope they find out who
00:47did it and I hope they pay all roads lead to dead ends if your primary suspect passes the
00:54polygraph that certainly creates a roadblock and the case becomes a cold case until investigators
01:02work towards a shocking admission is just one of the most bizarre confessions I've had in my entire
01:08career as a prosecutor in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Spain the USS Forrestal cruises the open
01:36waters the aircraft carrier is one of the crown jewels of the US naval fleet the ship itself would
01:43house about 5,000 people and had the ability to provide services that people require medical services
01:51there was a hospital and doctor's facility on board a surgeon on board because they had to be prepared to
01:57treat battle injuries in case they were called upon to go to war but below the deck doctors are not
02:04treating a sailor injured in battle they're tending to 37 year old lieutenant Lee Hartley who is battling
02:10a mysterious illness his job on the Forrestal was as the disciplinary officer Lee Hartley was very well
02:19respected by friends and by the people he actually supervised I got to know Lee fairly well and I knew that he
02:29was recently married I knew that he was divorced I knew he had a child he and I would talk whenever
02:37I was in a staff judge advocate's office every once in a while he'd drop down we would eat dinner together in
02:42the officers mess just a good guy when Lee became sick he started to exhibit symptoms that required
02:51treatment he was suffering from nausea diarrhea vomiting dizziness he had ulcerated areas in his mouth his lips
03:03severe stomach pain mom told us that Burley was really sick the ship doctor thought he might have
03:12the flu and the flu can hold on for days at a time you know there was a lot of things they examined but
03:20they really weren't sure what was going on while the ship was in the Mediterranean his situation
03:26deteriorated over time he had great discomfort he was just sick and sicker to the extent that the
03:35ship was not capable of doing the diagnostic work that was required to figure out what the heck was
03:43wrong with him the ship said we just can't help him we got to get him home Lee eventually was medevaced
03:50medically evacuated from the ship back to Jacksonville and was treated at the Jacksonville Naval Hospital while
03:59doctors order additional tests to determine what is ailing Lee his wife Pamela rushes to her husband's
04:05bedside he'd get better but then he'd get worse he was very very ill it caused a severe bloating of his body
04:13dad called and said we got to go to Florida now said Lee is in the hospital and they don't expect him
04:21to make it and we got there but Lee was not cognitive at all he looked like he weighed 300 pounds
04:32the cause of Lee's illness remains a mystery as his body begins to shut down lieutenant Hartley after
04:41approximately five months of being ill starting on the forestill ended up finally passing away on
04:48November 18th of 1982 mom got phone call and she called us and we got together and then we drove down
05:09there after he passed away of course because he was already gone and it was just devastating
05:15Verl Lee Hartley was my older brother by about 14 months there are seven of us and the oldest one is
05:30Verl Lee we all grew up in Elwood Indiana we play hide-and-go-seek tag and kick the can
05:38and we had a really good time and he was very laid-back person he really was when the mean streak
05:47in him being our big brother who always when something came up he tried to handle it and that's
05:56what big brothers do as a teenager Lee had ambitions to join the Navy at 17 with the support of his parents
06:05he enlisted and left home for the high seas he was all Navy he really was he was all Navy he just really
06:15loved being in the service he was quite good at the job he did Lee quickly makes a name for himself in
06:22the Navy and his high aspirations draw attention from superiors while stationed in Florida the rising star
06:28Lee Hartley Hartley falls in love with Linda Patel and the two are married seven years later Lee and
06:33Linda welcome their only child a daughter named Stephanie he thought that Stephanie was just a cat's
06:40meow you know she could do no wrong that's a real daddy's girl you know after years of climbing the ranks
06:48Lee Hartley became a naval lieutenant on the USS forestall when lieutenant Hartley turned 37 less
06:57than a year before he died he experienced a little bit of a midlife crisis and he fell in love with his
07:04secretary her name was Pamela Johnson she was a pretty redhead and 12 years his junior when lieutenant
07:12Hartley had met Pamela Johnson she actually was in the Navy and worked for him and then that's when
07:20they became a couple in the military that actually is fairly frowned upon so she had left the Navy Lee
07:28decides to divorce Linda and he and Pamela are married just a few months into their relationship they fall
07:35in love they get married they're making a life for themselves and all of a sudden Lee subsequently passes
07:44they still hadn't determined yet what killed Lee he was a healthy reasonably young guy it was a puzzler
07:54nothing seemed right at the time how why leave I mean it just didn't seem right they kept saying that
08:04they come off the ship with flu-like symptoms and I said no it can't be flu don't last this long and my
08:12stepmother decided that she wanted an autopsy she pushed enough the Navy decided to go ahead and do the
08:20autopsy from the autopsy the medical examiner determines that Lee Hartley died of cardiopulmonary
08:27arrest due to the stress that the five-month-long mysterious illness put on his body but with the
08:34cause of the sickness still unknown Lee's blood and hair samples are sent to the toxicology lab for
08:39testing as his family awaits the results they prepare to lay the decorated naval veteran to rest
08:45we went to the funeral in Augusta Georgia at Pam's her mother's at home but it didn't even look like him in
08:57the casket I mean he was so blowed up his face looked like it could bust any second he just looked
09:05like somebody put air in him and blowed him up it didn't look like him I'm all mad at a nervous
09:12breakdown complete nervous breakdown I mean she shut down it was awful we should have just buried her for
09:23early because it was that bad weeks after Lieutenant Hartley is laid to rest his toxicology tests arrive
09:44with unexpected results when we received the toxicology report back after the autopsy we found
09:51out that he had an elevated amount of arsenic in his blood quite elevated Lee had approximately a
10:01thousand times more arsenic in his body than one would expect that was the cause of his death well when we
10:11found out that Lee had this high level of arsenic in his blood you say to yourself holy cow how did
10:18that happen it became obvious that not only was Lee homesick for being with his wife but he was also a
10:29little bit jealous clearly he wanted to be with his new wife maybe he was trying to be relieved from the
10:38ship and sent home Lieutenant Lee Hartley's blood sample shows lethal levels of arsenic finally giving
10:59NCIS investigators an explanation for his months-long sickness he was losing weight he had severe stomach
11:06pains he was vomiting he had diarrhea all of these were typical symptoms for arsenic poisoning in my
11:15experience he's the only person I know of who has died from arsenic poisoning we are exposed to arsenic in the
11:24dirt and maybe a little bit in water and other things but only minute amounts that don't affect this
11:29so for even over a long lifespan but a thousand times more it's a lot it is tasteless odorless but once
11:40it gets into the system it doesn't go away and so if you get a little bit of arsenic today and a little
11:48bit of arsenic tomorrow and a little bit more arsenic the next day each day that amount of arsenic is building
11:56in your body once it was determined that Lieutenant Hartley had been exposed and died from arsenic poisoning
12:06at that point they had to look at well where did it come from and the first thought is could have been
12:11something on the ship so it could have been an accidental poisoning for all we know there might have
12:16been arsenic used in various ways on the ship there might have been piles of arsenic laying around the ship
12:23for some purpose at various times which would be of critical concern to the ship because if they
12:30used arsenic on board the ship for any purpose well then everybody on the ship will be exposed to this
12:38it would be an epidemic of people dying if this stuff was all over the ship for some reason we need
12:44to find out from the supply officer whether or not there's arsenic on board the ship and what's it used
12:50for it and the answer was they had no arsenic on the ship and they didn't use it for anything
12:57so Lee if he was exposed to arsenic it wasn't an environmental or an industrial issue now for the
13:07Navy it was something else that's when they were looking at could this have been intentional was there
13:13some reason for somebody to want to do him harm the challenge that we faced is we didn't even have
13:23all the puzzle pieces with the USS forestall in the Mediterranean on a six-month deployment holding
13:30potential clues in Lee's death NCIS investigators are forced to get creative and recent headlines spark a
13:36theory in 1982 there was a number of cases where people were poisoned by Tylenol that they bought on
13:47the shelves and back then if you took the capsules you could open it and put something in them and
13:53somebody had put potassium cyanide in a number of different bottles in a number of different stores
14:00and it's never been solved to this day Tylenol poisonings have just shocked the nation after
14:07seven people died only a month earlier on October 5th a nationwide recall of Tylenol products was
14:15announced investigators notice in the personal effects that came home with Lee from the forestall
14:21is a bottle of Tylenol they're concerned that Lee Hartley could be the victim of a similar case and
14:27and he's unknowingly ingested capsules purposely tainted with arsenic so we seized medicines that
14:35he had and had them examined to see if there was anything in them see if they'd been tainted none of
14:41those tests showed that there was any any problem didn't turn anything up as NCIS agents continue to
14:48rule out possibilities of the arsenic source they must determine if someone aboard the USS forestall was
14:54trying to harm Lee to explore the theory they set up an interview with Lee's widow Pamela Hartley
15:01I drove up to Georgia met the agent there and we then went to her mother's house and it was a difficult
15:09interview because she was the grieving widow and we were sorry to be there talking to her about the death of her
15:17her husband which had to be heartbreaking the idea would be to go and see what was his life like at
15:24home what happened Pamela tells agents that during Lee's final deployment in the Mediterranean his
15:30demeanor changed Lee became unusually paranoid and in letters and calls he had expressed concerns for his
15:37safety because of lieutenant Hartley's position as a legal officer he was in a disciplinary role and so
15:46there always was could this be somebody who he made so mad that they would come back and try to kill him
15:54was there somebody who didn't like him was there somebody who had some grudge against him maybe somebody on
16:02the ship was trying to kill him NCIS investigators wonder if someone on the USS forestall held a grudge
16:21against lieutenant Lee Hartley a grudge that would lead them to poison the naval officer he was a legal
16:28aide aboard ship anybody got in trouble aboard ship had to go through Lee so that's what I was thinking
16:37somebody aboard ship was taking it out on Lee and poisoning somebody could be putting something in
16:43his coffee somebody could be putting something in the coffee in the office that he worked in something
16:49could be putting something in the food in the officer's mess investigators ask Lee's widow Pamela if he
16:56mentioned any threats below deck on the high seas we became aware that there were two incidents that
17:02were reported by Lee that might be of interest to us first it was in a letter that Lee had written home
17:11where he claimed that there was somebody who attacked him on board the ship with a sword of some type and
17:22that he had managed that he had managed to disarm the individual he had reported another time in a letter or a
17:30telephone call that somebody had painted graffiti on a bulkhead a wall on the ship that said Hartley is a dead man
17:40now that seemed a little incredible because if you're on board a US naval vessel and somebody attacks you with a sword
17:51there's a whole lot of people in the world who are going to want to know about that Lee was a disciplinary
17:58officer I mean my goodness who would not report being attacked by somebody with a sword well curiously
18:07enough there was no report made of this alleged attack we could not imagine why he would have said
18:17that did Lee not report the incidents because he feared for his safety as investigators contemplate Lee
18:25Hartley's unsubstantiated claims the USS Forrestal arrives at the port after months away Forrestal returns
18:33to Mayport after its deployment we execute a search of his belongings on the ship and a search of the
18:42stateroom that he shared with another officer but none of that showed that arsenic was resonant we had
18:50to interview various people that might have known him on board the ship in order to determine whether or
18:56not there was anybody that they knew of who might have had an interest in harming Lee we didn't come up
19:03with anybody who had any experience like that Lee Hartley was very well respected both in his job but
19:12also as a friend people he knew we did however at one point come up with indications that Lee had
19:23represented that he understandably being a newlywed wasn't looking forward to going on this particular
19:31deployment whenever the ship pulled into port he would go up to the USO where back then they had
19:39a bank of pay telephones and he would spend an awful lot of time on the phone talking to his wife at home
19:48he was lonely sure but it's not an uncommon feeling for most of the crew on an aircraft carrier during the
19:57course of the investigation it became obvious that not only was Lee homesick for being with his wife but
20:04he was also a little bit jealous he had married a pretty woman who was younger than him and now he's at
20:11sea for six months and you know he was just jealous that she was so pretty and he wasn't there my thought
20:21at the time was he might have been setting up a scenario whereby it was unsafe for him to remain
20:31aboard the forestall because somebody was trying to kill him or hurt him by not reporting it he doesn't
20:40have to suffer the consequences of myself or the other agents finding out that he was lying and filing a
20:47false report or the Navy finding out that he was filing a false report and taking disciplinary action
20:52on him but rather somebody at home might report that gee Lee is under threat on the ship clearly he wanted
21:05to be with his new wife maybe he was trying to be relieved from the ship and sent home and possibly
21:14the lovesick sailor was willing to take this ruse a step further and then to follow along on that same
21:22line of logic maybe Lee was taking arsenic so that he would be ill enough to be sent home so was it maybe
21:34not intending to die but could he been making himself sick maybe he unwittingly took enough of whatever the
21:42substance was to make himself sick without understanding that it just builds up to the point that there's so
21:50much in your body that you die so it could have been an accidental poisoning
21:55investigators working the arsenic poisoning of naval lieutenant Lee Hartley develop a theory to help
22:14explain the rare circumstances around his death maybe Lee Hartley was taking arsenic himself setting the
22:22stage to be relieved from the ship and sent home desperate to return home to his new wife Lee may
22:30have accidentally ingested a fatal dose of arsenic but investigators also ask themselves what if the fatal
22:39dose wasn't an accident was it a suicide lieutenant Hartley had expressed some homesickness also there
22:48were some jealousy with his wife you collect anything that might be of significance and so one of the
22:55things you certainly want to collect are any writings any notebooks any diaries and any letters that the
23:02person might have made that's how they determine was he suicidal could this have been intentional and we
23:10sent them to a psychologist in order to have them examined and try to get some insight into his state
23:17of mind the examination of those by the psychological staff did not show any suicidal thoughts and Lee's part
23:26with all their theories leading to dead ends investigators hope new data from Lee's autopsy can provide answers the results
23:36of his hair sample analysis have just reached NCIS through the hair you can actually tell when the
23:43person was exposed to arsenic so they were able to month by month tell when he began to be exposed to the
23:50arsenic and how it progressed to the time of his death so literally you can look at the hair and do a graph or a
24:00timeline of exactly when he was being exposed to arsenic Lee's hair indicated a level of arsenic in his
24:09body peaked at various times the spikes occurred both before the cruise and then during the course of the
24:18cruise when the ship was in a port visit when the ship was in Benidorm Spain there was a spike when the ship
24:28was in Naples Italy there was a spike so we said what is the common denominator here that would give us
24:36these spikes investigators note an unsettling common denominator associated with Lee's arsenic spikes
24:42Lee's wife was sending packages to him and visiting him when the ship pulled into foreign ports which was
24:51not uncommon Navy wives and especially officers wives will travel in groups to the port to visit their
24:59husbands we thought well gee he's getting packages and Pam is visiting him but at that time we didn't have
25:09her as a suspect in this I still hadn't thought about Pam they hadn't been married that long I couldn't
25:15figure you know why would she want her hurting Pamela was not initially considered a suspect because Lee's
25:22poisoning began while thousands of miles of ocean separated the couple but further investigation
25:30forces agents to reevaluate there were more and more common denominators that were linking her to the
25:38spikes in the levels of arsenic in his body Pamela Hartley became one of the primary suspects partially
25:46because you always look at the significant other also just hearing you know how they became involved the
25:54differences in age the fact that he had been out at sea but also I think some of her actions after he
26:00died were suspicious in some ways because she pretty much just cut off contact with his family and
26:07didn't want to talk about it and moved on a lot quicker than you would think and paperwork shows
26:13that Pamela benefited financially from Lee's death Pamela Hartley received benefits as the wife of a service
26:21person that she got monthly she also had $35,000 through a life insurance policy investigators dig into
26:32Pamela Hartley's past and a job at an animal laboratory catches their eye Pamela Hartley before joining the
26:40Navy had been a wildlife officer where they did investigations into how arsenic and other substances
26:49affected wildlife so she did have some scientific background she possibly had a little bit more
26:56knowledge than maybe your average Joe but also arsenic at the time wasn't that hard to get you could get it
27:04through rat poison anything like that for evidence to tie her to Lee's poisoning the NCIS team interviews
27:12friends and neighbors of Pamela both inside the Navy and civilians to determine if she's a viable suspect
27:18we learned that after Lee died Pamela became allegedly romantically involved with one of the officers who was an
27:32acquaintance of Lee Hartley and this was not years later but weeks later after Lee passed during the course of the
27:44investigation we learned the wives not only do they travel to the foreign ports but they form the officers
27:51wives club and have dinner and drinks and things like that and during the course of that they on occasion
27:59would joke about hey it's pretty nice not having the guys home because we can do whatever we want we can
28:05stay in our pajamas all day if we want to and at one point Pamela allegedly said well you know maybe it'd be nice
28:12we just got a hit man and got rid of them and everybody else laughed and all of the people that
28:18were present for that conversation when we asked said oh no we just took it as a joke everybody was
28:23goofing around everybody had a couple of drinks and nobody thought she was serious further interviews help
28:30investigators to determine if Pamela did the unthinkable and poisoned her husband causing a slow and
28:36painful death Lee's roommate who shared his stateroom also was sick on occasion but not nearly as sick as Lee
28:46was then we thought if he was getting things in the mail that was making him sick and tainted for some
28:53reason and he was sharing these with his roommate that would explain why the roommate got sick and at
29:00one point during one of the import periods Pamela cooks breakfast for everybody and after that again
29:06they get sick and at this point the only common denominator left was Pamela she was a suspect at this
29:18stage we requested she takes a polygraph examination we're hoping at this stage of the game that her
29:27answers will indicate deception or that she was lying then prompt her to confess
29:33Pamela Hartley has agreed to take a polygraph test and investigators hope deceptive answers will lead
29:51her to confess to the poisoning death of her husband Lieutenant Lee Hartley
29:55now the polygraph initially would have been administered by a licensed polygraph examiner
30:02who was also an NCIS agent after analysis investigators received the results when she was asked questions
30:10particularly related to the death of her husband she in her answers indicated no deception
30:19the results were that she passed that she was not involved in his death if your primary suspect passes the polygraph
30:31that certainly creates a roadblock and a bit of a problem for the investigators going forward
30:40there are no more outstanding leads there's no logical leads to follow wasn't anything else they could do
30:49at that point I was subsequently transferred away we went about our careers and the case sits
30:57and they're called going cold but basically they're put on the back burner and I kept
31:04thinking about it and my younger brother Art him and I went for a ride and Art looked over at me and she said that
31:12bitch killed him I said why would she kill him and Art says I don't know but he said that bitch killed him
31:19it had to be her but you know you can't prove anything you just have to wait on the law to prove who did it
31:2813 years pass and the case remains untouched until a new directive begins to make its way through law
31:39enforcement agencies across the country the NCIS gets interested in cold cases as does my office and
31:48and somebody from NCIS suggests hey let's look at this one is this something that there is a reasonably
31:55good chance that we possibly can resolve there was just so much evidence it just seemed like a good case
32:02Lieutenant Hartley deserved better he died a very very painful death and he really deserved our result
32:11trying to resolve it the case involving the investigation of the death of Lee Hartley
32:18was reopened in September of 1995 my brother Wilbur called me he said that they was opening the case I
32:27said oh man I hope they find out who did it and I hope they pay dearly for what they did the investigators
32:39both from NCIS and from my office as well as from the medical examiner pretty much start from scratch
32:45scratch they go through everything they also at that point start looking at where are the people so
32:51particularly in this case where was Pamela Hartley at that point where was she living what had happened
32:56in her life since that time she had returned to her hometown in Georgia once they determined where
33:05she was they began a surveillance to determine what she's doing is she working anything like that her life
33:12had not taken necessarily the best turn she had received some money after her husband had died but I
33:20believe she was unemployed I think she was living with her mother and it turned out she'd had some drug and
33:25alcohol problems which that's something that we look at in these cases because is that mean that somebody
33:31might now be ready to confess to something or was that why she had these problems because she was
33:38living with the guilt investigators keep a close watch on Pamela and comb through original evidence sealed away
33:45for over a decade Pamela's polygraph test the one in which she showed no deception is closely scrutinized
33:52the technical services division at headquarters re-examines the polygraph results and determines that initial
34:03determination was an error and in fact it was inconclusive she had not failed it but she had not passed it
34:13once we determined that the original polygraph might have been interpreted incorrectly it was one
34:22factor it wasn't everything but it did take away from that wait a minute she passed a polygraph so are
34:30we on the right track so during the course of the initial investigation many many people were
34:37interviewed people on the ship people who knew Pam people who knew Lee family members and one of the
34:44family members that would have been interviewed was Pamela's brother and initially he did not indicate
34:50anything unusual when the cold case people go back and do the re-interviews as they do they
34:57re-interview Pamela's brother and at this point his story changes now he says Pamela approached him to be a hit
35:09man and kill her husband and he tells investigators the whole sordid story Pamela told him she was unhappy
35:19and wanted Lieutenant Hartley dead she offered Fred a share of the life insurance money if he would do it
35:26Pamela said they were going to poison her husband while he was on the ship Fred wanted no part in this
35:33he refused to help Fred tells investigators he's worried that his sister may place blame for Lee's
35:40poisoning on him now that the case has been reopened but instead of taking the fall for any involvement in
35:46the murder Fred makes a proposition to save his own skin and he indicates to them that he's also willing
35:53to testify to this against his sister the NCIS agents realize that they have a good witness now in Pamela's
36:01brother investigators plan to use Pamela's brother's admission against her for leverage to see if her
36:07story will change they know that this has been a case that was unsolved technically for years and they
36:16are not going to have a million chances to close this case they're probably going to have one chance
36:24and was already been interrogated earlier in the case she's already taken a polygraph earlier in the
36:30case she's gone on with her life and they're going to approach her now and try to talk to her again
36:38investigators have one goal to induce a murder confession from Pamela as it may be their only
36:46path toward getting a conviction and justice for lieutenant Lee Hartley they sit down with Pamela at her
36:52mother's home in Georgia and what she tells investigators is the last thing they expected
36:57during her interrogation she confesses to the killing of Lee
37:05Pamela Hartley has just stunned investigators and confessed to poisoning her husband lieutenant Lee Hartley
37:24with arsenic Pamela Hartley according to her statement bought rat poison at a feed store where you can buy
37:34feed for animals but also poisons so she bought this rat poison which did contain arsenic and then she
37:42would administer spoon fills in this baked goods that she sent him then once he got home in his meals even
37:51when he was in the hospital Pamela would go and visit him and mix some of the poison into the juice that she
37:59was helping him drink at that point it became obvious he was gonna die she realized she had some evidence
38:07there so she emptied it and put it in a nearby lake later NCIS sent investigators or divers they were never
38:17able to find it it's my understanding and at one point she also said that the reason she did it is that she
38:26she didn't want to be married to Lee anymore even though their marriage was of such short duration
38:31he was talking about leaving the military and she didn't want that she enjoyed being the wife of a naval officer
38:38having the prestige the benefits of that and so rather than hurt his feelings and divorce him she decided to
38:49simply kill him she experienced divorce in her own family she knows how painful it is and so somehow she
38:58was sparing him by killing him with arsenic just the fact that she was witnessing what he was going through
39:06daily for her to say hey I don't know what death feels like but I know divorce isn't fun is just one of the
39:15most bizarre confessions I've had in my entire career as a prosecutor she killed a good man it just didn't
39:24make sense you'd never think that someone that he loved would hurt him you know but when we found out
39:34it was her mom was just devastated on March 2nd 1996 14 years after Lee's death Pamela Hartley was
39:46arrested and charged with first-degree murder unfortunately in this particular case we had
39:53evidentiary problems in order to go in front of a jury and prove this case and introduce the evidence of
40:00of the hair and the arsenic which laid out the whole case the public defender who represented her would
40:07have had to have an opportunity to have it examined have his own expert examined because the hair was
40:14used up in the initial testing it didn't exist and so therefore the only way to have brought that
40:23evidence in front of a jury would have been Lee Hartley would have had to be exhumed the family was adamant
40:30that they did not want that and that's understandable and their thing was well they're getting closure which
40:36is very very important on October 16 1996 Pamela pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in a Florida State Court
40:48and she was sentenced to 40 years in prison since the crime occurred back in 1982 Pamela was subject to
40:58the rules of sentencing and parole based on the laws at the time the crime occurred and she ended up
41:06spending 14 years and her mother got sick and they let her out for humanitarian reasons to go so she could
41:17help her mother while she was bad I mean he didn't go easy Lee went out hard and she had to be so hard-hearted
41:27to do something like that to watch him and give him his last dose in the hospital I just it made no sense to me
41:39the sad thing is is that both lives and the lives of their family get destroyed and all she would have had to do is simply walk away
41:51just walk away
41:54there was no reason for furley to even be dead
42:00whenever people kill somebody else it's not just the person you're killing
42:07it's all family it does leave a big void because you just don't ever get over that because you always
42:16think about that I think that people would love him if they knew him talk to him what a kind gentle
42:26loving brother he was and we miss him
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