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00:00Russia is attacking hospitals, mobile aid brigades and ambulances.
00:07This is the action of a state determined to kill civilians.
00:11There is no debate. These are war crimes.
00:16As the global community condemns Russia's leaders,
00:19Western sanctions are wreaking havoc on its citizens.
00:22The value of the ruble dropped 30% in a fortnight.
00:25It's now worth less than one cent US.
00:27Interest rates have now more than doubled to 20%.
00:31As ordinary Russians scramble to withdraw savings,
00:34cash is in desperately short supply.
00:37Since Thursday, everyone has been running between ATMs to withdraw cash.
00:42Some get lucky, some don't.
00:44It is not clear how we would be buying groceries and other stuff
00:48if the SWIFT is turned off.
00:49All foreign goods are paid for by card.
00:52How will we purchase them?
00:54Yes, many businesses will notably suffer now
00:57tourism and logistics and airlines will suffer.
01:00Well, maybe that's how it has to be.
01:02From across the border,
01:04Ukraine's foreign minister issued a plea to the Russian people.
01:07You have a very simple tool to stop this madness.
01:11Demand from Putin to stop the war.
01:13On the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg,
01:16they answered that call.
01:17I don't want this war.
01:19Almost no one here wants it.
01:21I want the whole world to see that we don't want it.
01:24People are dying.
01:25People are suffering.
01:27There is a destruction.
01:28It will be handed down from generation to generation.
01:32Hatred for each other.
01:33In Putin's Russia, voicing dissent has lethal consequences.
01:37Critics are poisoned.
01:38Opposition leaders jailed.
01:40Ordinary citizens disappeared.
01:43One Russian human rights monitor estimates
01:45almost 6,000 protesters have been arrested
01:47since the invasion began five days ago.
01:50Many more bound to follow.
01:52The authorities here know a lot of people in Moscow
01:54are not happy with what's happening in Kyiv.
01:58They're scared of their own people.
02:00So as his soldiers struggle in Ukraine,
02:03is Putin losing the war on the home front?
02:06We're joined by Jake Cordell from the Moscow Times now.
02:09Jake, how significant do you think these protests are?
02:12Yeah, it's quite hard to tell,
02:14but we know that the protests have happened.
02:16We know that there's quite a lot of people
02:17coming out onto the streets.
02:19We know that there's been a big police response.
02:21More than 6,000 people have been arrested
02:23in the last few days at these protests.
02:26Whenever in Moscow you see people on the streets,
02:28you have to realise that protesting in Moscow is illegal.
02:31So these people are taking a huge risk,
02:33as we've seen from the police crackdown.
02:35And for every one or two people on the street,
02:37you can probably guess there were 20, 50, 100,
02:39maybe at home, thinking about coming out onto the street.
02:42There is some discontent among society,
02:44and people are angry enough to go out onto the streets,
02:47even though they know there's a very decent chance
02:50they're going to get arrested or beaten by police.
02:52So how hard are the sanctions?
02:54Well, we're already seeing the sanctions
02:56hitting ordinary Russians.
02:57The Russian currency, the ruble,
02:58has fallen by 20, 30, 40% over the last few weeks.
03:02It's been incredibly volatile.
03:04Prices have already gone up 30% overnight.
03:07And the Kremlin just recently has banned Russians
03:09from sending money abroad.
03:11They're so scared about Russians trying to get their money
03:14out of this country,
03:15which is really becoming very heavily economically isolated
03:18in a very short period of time.
03:20So how is that affecting the sentiment towards Putin
03:24and towards the West?
03:27Again, it's very hard to tell in Russia.
03:29You don't really have reliable polling information
03:31about where the public's at,
03:33but we know that they are more against this war,
03:35more against this foreign policy decision
03:37than any previous Kremlin foreign policy decision.
03:41If we compare to when Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014,
03:44there was euphoria.
03:45There was a rally around the flag.
03:46People loved Putin for returning what they saw as Russian land.
03:50That's clearly not happening this time around.
03:52The other issue which complicates this
03:54is how much Russians know about the military side of the campaign.
03:58The Russian state TV is very heavily pushing down.
04:01It's even banned TV outlets from calling the war a war.
04:05So that's how little information Russians are getting about this.
04:08So that protest sentiment, that discontent,
04:11at the moment seems concentrated among liberal people in cities,
04:15younger people who are more getting their information online,
04:18maybe even reading Western sources.
04:19Now, whether that filters out into the wider public
04:22is probably going to be a result of the economic consequences
04:25in the next weeks, months,
04:26because you maybe have to hide some images
04:28of Russian missiles raining down on cities in Kiev,
04:31but you can't hide the fact that when someone goes to the supermarket
04:34to buy their weekly food shop,
04:35the prices have gone up 10, 20, 30%.
04:37Whether Russians blame the West or Russia
04:40for the implication of sanctions, that remains to be seen.
04:43So could this groundswell of discontent,
04:47tentative though it may be at this point,
04:48could it be enough that Putin faces a genuine threat
04:52to his leadership?
04:53I think the question we have to ask there is
04:55where does the threat come from?
04:56There's no political leader in Russia right now that's free.
05:00The main opposition leader, Alexei Navalny,
05:02has been in prison for about a year and a half.
05:05And so there's really no kind of threat or figurehead
05:08to this protest movement at the moment.
05:10The one area people are looking at as a possible sign of discontent,
05:13someone that could influence Putin,
05:15is the military and security chiefs around him,
05:17the people he listens to.
05:18And that's because if the war doesn't go to plan,
05:20which it doesn't look like it is at the moment,
05:22although it's early days,
05:24are they going to get frustrated at Putin for his leadership?
05:27Are they going to push back against his ideas for an invasion?
05:30And that's where any kind of source of potential discontent
05:33that may have an influence is probably likely to come from.
05:36Jake, you are speaking to us from the capital of a repressive authoritarian regime.
05:43How free do you feel to report, honestly?
05:46Do you fear ramifications for your reporting?
05:50For foreign journalists here,
05:52it's a little bit different from for Russian journalists here.
05:55Historically, traditionally, Russia hasn't gone after foreign journalists
05:59who are reporting in foreign language.
06:01Now, that has changed recently, actually.
06:03Last year, we saw the expulsion of a British journalist from the BBC
06:07who the Russians said was a security threat.
06:10But I think we have to put it in context compared to what our Russian colleagues are facing
06:13who are being labelled foreign agents,
06:15the threat of having their bank accounts frozen,
06:17the threat of having being arrested,
06:19a knock on the door in the morning from the FSB coming to search their apartments.
06:23That's the daily reality for Russian journalists.
06:26And that's why when we come back to how Russians feel about the war,
06:29the question is how much information are they getting about the war
06:33with such a heavy push down on independent media reporting?
06:37Jake, thank you so much for your insights tonight.
06:39Thank you very much.
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