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Russians Protest Vladimir Putin's Invasion Of Ukraine As Tensions Rise
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00:00
Russia is attacking hospitals, mobile aid brigades and ambulances.
00:07
This is the action of a state determined to kill civilians.
00:11
There is no debate. These are war crimes.
00:16
As the global community condemns Russia's leaders,
00:19
Western sanctions are wreaking havoc on its citizens.
00:22
The value of the ruble dropped 30% in a fortnight.
00:25
It's now worth less than one cent US.
00:27
Interest rates have now more than doubled to 20%.
00:31
As ordinary Russians scramble to withdraw savings,
00:34
cash is in desperately short supply.
00:37
Since Thursday, everyone has been running between ATMs to withdraw cash.
00:42
Some get lucky, some don't.
00:44
It is not clear how we would be buying groceries and other stuff
00:48
if the SWIFT is turned off.
00:49
All foreign goods are paid for by card.
00:52
How will we purchase them?
00:54
Yes, many businesses will notably suffer now
00:57
tourism and logistics and airlines will suffer.
01:00
Well, maybe that's how it has to be.
01:02
From across the border,
01:04
Ukraine's foreign minister issued a plea to the Russian people.
01:07
You have a very simple tool to stop this madness.
01:11
Demand from Putin to stop the war.
01:13
On the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg,
01:16
they answered that call.
01:17
I don't want this war.
01:19
Almost no one here wants it.
01:21
I want the whole world to see that we don't want it.
01:24
People are dying.
01:25
People are suffering.
01:27
There is a destruction.
01:28
It will be handed down from generation to generation.
01:32
Hatred for each other.
01:33
In Putin's Russia, voicing dissent has lethal consequences.
01:37
Critics are poisoned.
01:38
Opposition leaders jailed.
01:40
Ordinary citizens disappeared.
01:43
One Russian human rights monitor estimates
01:45
almost 6,000 protesters have been arrested
01:47
since the invasion began five days ago.
01:50
Many more bound to follow.
01:52
The authorities here know a lot of people in Moscow
01:54
are not happy with what's happening in Kyiv.
01:58
They're scared of their own people.
02:00
So as his soldiers struggle in Ukraine,
02:03
is Putin losing the war on the home front?
02:06
We're joined by Jake Cordell from the Moscow Times now.
02:09
Jake, how significant do you think these protests are?
02:12
Yeah, it's quite hard to tell,
02:14
but we know that the protests have happened.
02:16
We know that there's quite a lot of people
02:17
coming out onto the streets.
02:19
We know that there's been a big police response.
02:21
More than 6,000 people have been arrested
02:23
in the last few days at these protests.
02:26
Whenever in Moscow you see people on the streets,
02:28
you have to realise that protesting in Moscow is illegal.
02:31
So these people are taking a huge risk,
02:33
as we've seen from the police crackdown.
02:35
And for every one or two people on the street,
02:37
you can probably guess there were 20, 50, 100,
02:39
maybe at home, thinking about coming out onto the street.
02:42
There is some discontent among society,
02:44
and people are angry enough to go out onto the streets,
02:47
even though they know there's a very decent chance
02:50
they're going to get arrested or beaten by police.
02:52
So how hard are the sanctions?
02:54
Well, we're already seeing the sanctions
02:56
hitting ordinary Russians.
02:57
The Russian currency, the ruble,
02:58
has fallen by 20, 30, 40% over the last few weeks.
03:02
It's been incredibly volatile.
03:04
Prices have already gone up 30% overnight.
03:07
And the Kremlin just recently has banned Russians
03:09
from sending money abroad.
03:11
They're so scared about Russians trying to get their money
03:14
out of this country,
03:15
which is really becoming very heavily economically isolated
03:18
in a very short period of time.
03:20
So how is that affecting the sentiment towards Putin
03:24
and towards the West?
03:27
Again, it's very hard to tell in Russia.
03:29
You don't really have reliable polling information
03:31
about where the public's at,
03:33
but we know that they are more against this war,
03:35
more against this foreign policy decision
03:37
than any previous Kremlin foreign policy decision.
03:41
If we compare to when Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014,
03:44
there was euphoria.
03:45
There was a rally around the flag.
03:46
People loved Putin for returning what they saw as Russian land.
03:50
That's clearly not happening this time around.
03:52
The other issue which complicates this
03:54
is how much Russians know about the military side of the campaign.
03:58
The Russian state TV is very heavily pushing down.
04:01
It's even banned TV outlets from calling the war a war.
04:05
So that's how little information Russians are getting about this.
04:08
So that protest sentiment, that discontent,
04:11
at the moment seems concentrated among liberal people in cities,
04:15
younger people who are more getting their information online,
04:18
maybe even reading Western sources.
04:19
Now, whether that filters out into the wider public
04:22
is probably going to be a result of the economic consequences
04:25
in the next weeks, months,
04:26
because you maybe have to hide some images
04:28
of Russian missiles raining down on cities in Kiev,
04:31
but you can't hide the fact that when someone goes to the supermarket
04:34
to buy their weekly food shop,
04:35
the prices have gone up 10, 20, 30%.
04:37
Whether Russians blame the West or Russia
04:40
for the implication of sanctions, that remains to be seen.
04:43
So could this groundswell of discontent,
04:47
tentative though it may be at this point,
04:48
could it be enough that Putin faces a genuine threat
04:52
to his leadership?
04:53
I think the question we have to ask there is
04:55
where does the threat come from?
04:56
There's no political leader in Russia right now that's free.
05:00
The main opposition leader, Alexei Navalny,
05:02
has been in prison for about a year and a half.
05:05
And so there's really no kind of threat or figurehead
05:08
to this protest movement at the moment.
05:10
The one area people are looking at as a possible sign of discontent,
05:13
someone that could influence Putin,
05:15
is the military and security chiefs around him,
05:17
the people he listens to.
05:18
And that's because if the war doesn't go to plan,
05:20
which it doesn't look like it is at the moment,
05:22
although it's early days,
05:24
are they going to get frustrated at Putin for his leadership?
05:27
Are they going to push back against his ideas for an invasion?
05:30
And that's where any kind of source of potential discontent
05:33
that may have an influence is probably likely to come from.
05:36
Jake, you are speaking to us from the capital of a repressive authoritarian regime.
05:43
How free do you feel to report, honestly?
05:46
Do you fear ramifications for your reporting?
05:50
For foreign journalists here,
05:52
it's a little bit different from for Russian journalists here.
05:55
Historically, traditionally, Russia hasn't gone after foreign journalists
05:59
who are reporting in foreign language.
06:01
Now, that has changed recently, actually.
06:03
Last year, we saw the expulsion of a British journalist from the BBC
06:07
who the Russians said was a security threat.
06:10
But I think we have to put it in context compared to what our Russian colleagues are facing
06:13
who are being labelled foreign agents,
06:15
the threat of having their bank accounts frozen,
06:17
the threat of having being arrested,
06:19
a knock on the door in the morning from the FSB coming to search their apartments.
06:23
That's the daily reality for Russian journalists.
06:26
And that's why when we come back to how Russians feel about the war,
06:29
the question is how much information are they getting about the war
06:33
with such a heavy push down on independent media reporting?
06:37
Jake, thank you so much for your insights tonight.
06:39
Thank you very much.
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