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00:00Hey guys, we're here with the Hollywood Life Podcast and welcome to you all.
00:05It is 2020.
00:07Allie and I are so happy to be back.
00:10That's Allie Stagnita, my co-anchor.
00:13And we're also here with our silent producer, Nick.
00:17And today we are welcoming a very special guest from Real Housewives of New Jersey.
00:25We have Jackie Goldschneider.
00:27Hi everyone.
00:28Thanks for having me.
00:29Well, thank you.
00:31Thank you for crossing the bridge or going through the tunnel to get here.
00:36And we have so much to talk to you about.
00:39And we understand that you came in to see us today and that you have to then go home,
00:45go back to your four kids and come back tonight to be with Andy on Watch What Happens Live.
00:53So you've got a big day.
00:54I'm so excited.
00:55Yeah.
00:56Andy's the best.
00:57Yeah.
00:57He's the best.
00:58Bravo.
00:58Bravo.
00:58And who knew that he was like so jacked?
01:02Like he's...
01:03Hey, you saw those pictures of him on Instagram?
01:04We ran them.
01:05We posted them.
01:07Yeah.
01:07Damn, daddy.
01:08He is.
01:09He's jacked.
01:10He's jacked.
01:11He's looking good.
01:12Who...
01:12Like, how does he have time to do that?
01:14You've got to be jacked when you're sitting on a couch with like gorgeous women every week.
01:18Well, that's true.
01:18You've got to like look the part.
01:20You've got a lot of pressure.
01:22That's right.
01:22It's true.
01:23He's got to live up to beautiful ladies like yourself.
01:27Sitting on his couch.
01:28Yeah.
01:28So, we are going to dive right in because there's been so much that's going on with you and with
01:34The Real Housewives of New Jersey.
01:37And I think it's really interesting and also like really helpful that you've been so open
01:43about your eating disorder.
01:44And I've been talking about that and revealing a lot of what you went through and how you got
01:51over it.
01:52So, do you mind telling us and all of our listeners how you fell into having an eating
01:58disorder?
01:58Was it anorexia?
02:00Yes.
02:00I had full-blown anorexia.
02:02And I think that it was something that just happened gradually.
02:06As I started losing more weight, I became a lot more scared of putting anything back on.
02:12And how old were you when it first started?
02:14Well, I always had a bad relationship with food.
02:17It was always good food or bad food.
02:19And I was fat or like not fat, you know?
02:21So, um, I never had a healthy like ideas around food, but when I really stopped eating was
02:29in my late twenties and well, my mid to late twenties.
02:33And then by the time I got married at, um, just before I turned 30, I was basically a skeleton.
02:40I wasn't eating anything.
02:42And, um, it really just spirals for you.
02:45Your self-worth becomes tied to what you weigh.
02:49And so, um, gaining anything back becomes like devastating.
02:54And when you, when you first started to fall into this, you said, like you just said, you
03:00never really had a healthy relationship with food.
03:03I guess you couldn't just enjoy it without thinking about it.
03:06Was it that, um, like certain, you became obsessed with not eating certain foods?
03:11Was it that you were getting on the scale every single day?
03:15Like how did it spiral?
03:18Um, it was, it was that I would go on fad diets.
03:22By the time I realized I needed to lose weight, I was significantly overweight.
03:26I was obese in high school.
03:28And then, um, I would start fad diets.
03:31So it wasn't a lifestyle.
03:32It was like back then weight watchers had a really unhealthy thing where you would eat
03:37like 800 calories a day.
03:39So I started just counting everything.
03:41So I was counting every single thing I would eat, even if it was like a packet of artificial
03:46sweetener, um, gum, I was weighing tomatoes before I'd put them in a salad.
03:50I had to know everything.
03:51So it became a very all or nothing thing.
03:53It was like, I would eat everything or I would just totally fall off the wagon.
03:59And like, I was just terrible.
04:01It was all or nothing.
04:02Um, and then when I realized the only way that I would continue to lose weight was to
04:06continue to cut what I was eating and never have a bad day, that's when it started to really
04:11go downhill.
04:12And did you realize how skinny you were getting?
04:15Yeah, but there was a little bit of body dysmorphia in there.
04:19There was a little bit of denial.
04:21Um, you never think that you're thin enough.
04:24You always feel like, oh my God, are my jeans tighter today?
04:27You know, there's a lot of fear.
04:29So you never really fully realize what's going on.
04:34Is it, does it run in your family at all?
04:37Has anybody else in your family, um, struggled with their relationship with food?
04:41Um, I think that like most women, my mother went through some struggles with food, but never
04:48to the degree I did.
04:49But I do think my father struggled with dieting.
04:52He was always up and down when I was growing up.
04:55And I think a lot of my, my tendency to like count what I'm eating came from him.
05:00Yeah.
05:00And at this same time, you're mid to late twenties.
05:04Were you also practicing law?
05:07So you had a career and you had, at what point had you met your future husband?
05:11Yeah.
05:11I was practicing law and I would go to client lunches.
05:15I remember, and I was so scared of eating.
05:20And I, I remember thinking in my head at one of the lunches, wow, I'm here with like
05:25powerful people and I'm a powerful woman in the room.
05:28And yet I don't know how to eat a bowl of soup.
05:30And, and it really like, it was very hard.
05:34It was hard to hide.
05:36What kind of law were you practicing?
05:38Well, I started off practicing corporate law.
05:41I did mergers and acquisitions at a very big law firm and then I hated that.
05:45And I did.
05:46And so I switched to divorce law and I did big Park Avenue, wealthy divorces for a little
05:51while.
05:51That must have been fascinating.
05:52Oh, it's fun.
05:53It was fascinating.
05:54I mean, it was like 80 year old men on their fourth marriages, but I actually felt really
05:58bad because the women like had to learn how to be independent again.
06:02And that's very hard after a man supporting you for, you know, a decade and then leaves you
06:06for his fifth wife.
06:07Um, and then I did real estate law for the last like few years of my career.
06:14And then I stopped when I got pregnant with my first two twins, your first set of twins.
06:20I'm just thinking that, you know, having to manage that kind of a career, which is a lot
06:25of pressure, as well as an eating disorder.
06:30It all must have just felt like you were going to explode.
06:33I mean, an eating disorder takes up so much of your headspace.
06:36It was all I thought about was, I mean, even at my wedding, I put some pictures online
06:42of me at my wedding because you see some really graphic images of bones on my body.
06:48I don't know if you saw that in my Instagram story last week, but, um, a lot of people
06:52asked if I could just address this for a second, like why my husband, you know, would stand by
06:59and let that happen.
07:00And it's very, it's not as simple as that.
07:03When you are so caught up in something, um, like I was, anyone who tried to broach the
07:10subject with me, um, I would shut them down immediately.
07:13And I'm a really stubborn and strong person.
07:15So people wouldn't be able to get two words out.
07:18It was like, I'm fine.
07:19Don't even go there.
07:20And, you know, I mean, in his defense, he was a young guy who never experienced anything
07:25like this before.
07:26And he's in love with me and like, doesn't really want to like start major fights with
07:30me right at the beginning of our relationship.
07:31So he, he didn't really push too hard.
07:35He would say things like, are you sure you don't want to split this appetizer?
07:38Are you sure you don't want to do this?
07:40But like he, you know, he, I wouldn't let him push too hard.
07:44It's a disease and it's, it's, it's as much of a disease as alcoholism or being an addict.
07:52And it's about control.
07:52It is like an addiction.
07:53It's a disease.
07:54And so how, how old were you when you met him or at what point did you meet him and
07:59the relationship take off?
08:00Yeah, I met him when I was 27 and my eating, my anorexia really got, started to get out
08:07of control when I was 26.
08:09So when the first several years, I mean, really for a long time until I was about 36 years
08:18old, so it was a full decade, I didn't share a single piece of food.
08:22I didn't share anything except for, um, or foods that I knew the calorie content of.
08:31So we didn't share anything for a full decade.
08:33Well, and it's also something that you don't really ever, you're not cured from.
08:38You're kind of always in recovery.
08:39A hundred percent.
08:40You always fall back into it a little and go back a little here and there.
08:43Which is why it's relevant this season is because I did, I do consider myself mostly recovered,
08:48but there were a lot of things when I watched the episodes now that I didn't know the camera
08:54caught and little habits that I still try to hide and little things that I still have,
08:59um, that are, you know, considered disordered eating.
09:02And I didn't realize that the cameras caught them and I'm fully called out on them.
09:07And I think in two episodes from now, you see something that, um, I didn't know that
09:11they caught on camera and I didn't know that other people were commenting on.
09:15And at first I was a little embarrassed.
09:17And then I said, you know what?
09:19I'm sure there's other women who are dealing with this.
09:22So it, can you tell us what it was that was caught on camera?
09:25Am I allowed to tell them?
09:26So I have an issue with, you know, I learned, I had to relearn how to eat.
09:31And I, I relearned how to order at restaurants and eat things without counting and, and the
09:37fear of not knowing how my food was prepared or how much oil was used.
09:42And that took a very long time for me, but I never really learned how to eat breakfast.
09:49It's going to sound ridiculous, but I, I never, I learned how to bottom load my day, how to
09:55be good all day so that I can be, you know, quote unquote bad at night.
09:59I never learned how to start the day with a big meal.
10:03So for breakfast, I eat really lightly.
10:06So when other people sit down to eat bacon and eggs, I don't do that.
10:10And I thought that I was discreetly, you know, eating ridiculous foods for breakfast while
10:16other people were eating.
10:17And I thought that no one was noticing, but they do pick up on it and they do comment on
10:23it.
10:23So what do you eat for breakfast?
10:25I think that the morning in question, you see me grab a bag of, everyone else is eating
10:33bacon and eggs and avocado toast.
10:35And I grab a bag of baked chips for breakfast and I didn't think anyone noticed.
10:42And frankly, I'm embarrassed.
10:44I'm embarrassed, but that's still part of my disorder, which is why it's still relevant.
10:48And it's, it's, so I am recovered, but I'm not fully recovered.
10:52Did your, so a typical breakfast for you is still.
10:57No, typical at home is yogurt, but I have a fear of getting invited out for breakfast.
11:03Well, that's like the control.
11:04It's letting go of the control.
11:06That's exactly what it is.
11:07I'm scared of breakfast.
11:08And it's so ridiculous because I wasn't scared of having two sets of twins.
11:12I wasn't scared of working in a big law firm, but I'm scared of breakfast.
11:17I am, I need to learn that still, which is why I still keep up with my nutritionist.
11:22I still check in every, you know, two months I have a session is because I want to make
11:27sure I don't go back to those habits.
11:29Yeah.
11:29I was going to ask what prompted you, I mean, when were, did you like hit your limit?
11:33Did you, were you the one that sent yourself to get help or did you have an intervention?
11:37It was a really long process because I went to Mexico a few months after I got married
11:44and I was so scared of an all-inclusive that wouldn't change my order at the restaurants
11:49that I brought with me a suitcase full of canned tuna.
11:52And I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's, no, I, why am I carrying this bag?
11:57What did I marry?
11:59No, I mean, but I was that afraid.
12:02So I would go to these restaurants.
12:03They didn't want to change my order.
12:05I would basically eat nothing and then I would come back up to the room and I would eat canned
12:09tuna and it's disgusting and it's awful, but it was all I knew how to do.
12:13It was all I could take.
12:14To take a can opener with you?
12:16I mean, they were like the, the, the individuals.
12:19So, um, I mean, it was really hard.
12:22So I came back from that trip and I got on the scale and I remember I was so thin.
12:27And it was the first moment that I said to myself, okay, I have to do something or I'm
12:32going to die.
12:33Now I know I'm going to die.
12:35How low did your weight go?
12:38Well, it, it's, it's a difficult question to answer because I was, I'm tall.
12:43You're tall.
12:44I have a lot of muscle because I work out.
12:47I have always been a person who worked out.
12:49So my body fat, my body fat was 8%.
12:53And I haven't had my, I haven't menstruated since, um, in my early twenties.
13:01So, I mean, I destroyed my fertility, which is why I have two sets of twins.
13:05I mean, thank God, because I worship my twins, but, um, I really destroyed my body and, um,
13:13I was very, very, very skinny.
13:14So at that point I knew that I needed to stop when I went to have children and obviously
13:21could not get pregnant and I had to do IVF.
13:25My doctor said to me, put on a few pounds before we even start trying.
13:29And that to me was like a death sentence.
13:32So I remember I put on five pounds and it was the hardest five pounds I've ever had to put on.
13:37And I did it and I still didn't get pregnant.
13:39And I said, I can't, I can't put on any more weight.
13:42Let's just do IVF because I couldn't, I couldn't take it psychologically.
13:46I was going to have a breakdown.
13:48So we did many, I had for my four children, I had five rounds of IVF and, um, I still wasn't
13:55over it.
13:55And then my habits started impacting my children.
13:59I was weighing their food.
14:00So you did get pregnant doing IVF.
14:02I did get pregnant with IVF.
14:04Yes.
14:04And when you were pregnant, how did you eat?
14:07Because you had to support the pregnancies.
14:09I went, as soon as I found out that I was pregnant with twins, I went to a nutritionist,
14:13not the same nutritionist who helped me get over the disorder.
14:16I went to a special pregnancy nutritionist.
14:19I said, what is the least amount that I can eat and still, and still have these babies be
14:25fully healthy.
14:27And she, she told me what I should be eating so that me and the babies were fully healthy.
14:34And I ate that way all through the pregnancy and through breastfeeding.
14:38And I gained a lot of weight and then I made sure that I took it all off, like, as soon
14:45as possible.
14:46So when I realized that I really needed to stop, um, was when it's really started impacting
14:53my children.
14:54I was weighing everything they were eating on a food scale.
14:57I was getting very regimented with them, not because I wanted them to eat less, but because
15:01I wanted to make sure they were eating enough.
15:03I was so scared around food with them.
15:05They never saw mommy eating and they were, they were babies, but they never saw me eating.
15:09They never saw me share with daddy.
15:11And then I spoke to someone who was like, you really need to see this therapist.
15:16She's a nutritionist and a therapist, and she works with people who have exactly what
15:22you have.
15:22And the first time I sat down with her, begrudgingly, I did not want to go.
15:27But the first time I sat down with her-
15:28But you went.
15:28I went.
15:29Because you found her.
15:29I went just to see, because inside I really wanted someone to help me.
15:34I was, I was tortured.
15:36And I went just to see her and I knew that she would help me.
15:40And it was baby steps over, over a long period of time.
15:43But within a year, I was eating meals.
15:45I was eating meals.
15:47I put on a little weight, just a little, but, um, I was eating meals and it was life changing.
15:52And I've gotten a lot better since then, but the breakfast thing is still, it's still
15:57really bad for me.
15:57There's always going to be definitely one thing.
15:59Oh, yeah.
16:00And I mean, the scale is a trigger for me.
16:01I try not to weigh myself, but you got to throw your scale out.
16:04Well, and the average body weight, I will say, for women is like 25 to 28 percent.
16:10Yeah.
16:10No, I'm still pretty thin, but, you know.
16:13Well, you look great.
16:14Yeah.
16:14You got to throw that scale out.
16:16Yeah, I should.
16:17And how, your, your husband through all this, like it did, has he since, or at any time or
16:24since, has he ever confessed to you how worried he was about you?
16:28Oh, yeah.
16:28I mean, I know he was worried.
16:30He told, yes.
16:31He makes it very clear to me that he's so proud of me and he, you know, he, I know he
16:38was worried about me, but he's really, he's really great to have stuck by me through everything.
16:45And I really, you know, I can't imagine, like, your wife, I didn't order in with him one time.
16:51Like, we never sat on the couch and ordered in together.
16:53He ordered in alone.
16:54He did all of that alone.
16:56So, even today, it still feels, like, so good to share stuff because I spent so long not doing it.
17:02So, when we order a meal together and we share, it feels like the first time to me.
17:07I love it.
17:08Now, I want to move on to talk about the show.
17:10Okay.
17:10Obviously, this has been such a, your storyline, a part of it.
17:14But there's also so much going on.
17:17You haven't been, like, fighting too much with anybody.
17:21I mean, you kind of had something with Dolores.
17:23Go on.
17:24Yeah.
17:24That was weird.
17:26Dolores.
17:26It was interesting.
17:27I think Dolores had a bad choice of words.
17:30I don't think that you were raised differently.
17:33Right.
17:34I don't think she explained herself.
17:36I'm still waiting for more of an explanation, maybe at reunion.
17:39But what do you think she meant?
17:41Well, I don't think she meant anti-Semitism.
17:44And I'll just address that from the get-go because I know a lot of people did bring that up.
17:48They wanted to know if she meant that I was raised, like, because I'm Jewish and the rest of them are Italian.
17:54And it did sound like that to a lot of people, but I absolutely, 100% don't think that that's what it was.
17:59I'm Jewish and Italian, and I don't think that you're anti-Semitic.
18:03Well, it's Dolores.
18:04It's Dolores.
18:05Right.
18:05So that's not what I took from it.
18:09I think that my family was very, like, liberal in terms of our values, but also that we had boundaries.
18:21So I do make people call me before they can come over my house, even my mother, my father.
18:29And to Teresa, Dolores, Melissa, that is just a non-starter.
18:35Like, your parents walk in your door whenever they want to.
18:39And for me, that's not okay to me.
18:42I need to, like, if I have, like, if I drop the kids off at school, and, you know, I'm a journalist, I write freelance.
18:49And, like, when I have a deadline, if I reserve two hours to write and you walk into my house, you are not getting coffee and a donut.
18:55Like, I'm kicking you out.
18:56Yeah.
18:56You know, so I'm not going to kick out my parents.
19:01But we just, I was raised differently.
19:05You know, I was raised, my mom always used to say to me, Jackie, you know, when I was getting into my mid-20s and I didn't have a boyfriend or anything, she would say, Jackie, you know, you don't need a husband to have a baby.
19:16Like, we were liberal, you know.
19:18And I just think it was a very different way of being raised.
19:21Also, my parents worked full-time.
19:23And I was home with a nanny.
19:27So, and I think that just a lot of things about my upbringing was different.
19:30Where did you grow up?
19:31I grew up in Staten Island, which is not that different.
19:33Yeah, no, you're not right.
19:34It's a lot different from New Jersey.
19:35Right.
19:36And especially from an Italian, I mean, like I said, my dad is Italian, my mom is Jewish, and like, the cultures are very similar, especially in Staten Island.
19:48Like, that's where all the Italians are.
19:50Everyone was too Italian.
19:51Yeah.
19:51Yeah.
19:52Yeah.
19:53I mean, it really can't be that different.
19:55It's, when did you move to New Jersey?
19:57Was it only after you got married?
19:58No, when I was in high school.
20:00I moved my freshman year of high school, like, a month into high school.
20:04And it was such a different world.
20:06So, it is different.
20:08It was tough also because I moved to a town that I didn't know anybody.
20:12And I was already starting to, like, really creep up in my weight.
20:17So, I was overweight, moving to a town where I didn't know anybody.
20:20And I came in with my brother, who is a year older than me, but got held back.
20:26So, we were in the same grade, and he's disabled.
20:29So, I basically came to a new town, overweight, knowing nobody, with my disabled brother.
20:34And, like, it was a very, very tough few years for me.
20:37Mm-hmm.
20:38Yeah.
20:38So, on the show, we're not going to see you confront Dolores about this.
20:44Um, I think once Dolores and I put it to bed in Jamaica, we work on building our relationship
20:51and getting to know each other.
20:52And Dolores and I, right now, are in a very good place.
20:55We're good.
20:55So, coming up on the show, well, this will be posted, I guess, at that point.
21:00So, you go to the Hamptons.
21:02You bring the ladies to your Hamptons house.
21:05I do.
21:06And you had said something funny, a little preview of it.
21:10How long have you had this gorgeous Hamptons house?
21:14Evan and I bought it in 2012.
21:17Okay.
21:17Oh, so, like, a few years.
21:19Yeah, like, seven years.
21:20Seven years.
21:21So, you bring the ladies.
21:22I do.
21:22And did you bring them, because you wanted to show them that, like, you, you know, you
21:28can run with the big guys?
21:29No, not at all.
21:31I'm so not a bragger.
21:32And, like, I could care less.
21:34I couldn't care less who's impressed by my money.
21:37I don't think that money is something that you brag about.
21:39I find that tacky.
21:41And so, I've always spent money, but I just don't show it off.
21:44I don't, like, scream about it.
21:46So, I brought them there because I feel like they think of me as a very regimented type A,
21:53which I am regimented in type A, but I'm also really fun and lighthearted.
21:58And I like to have a good time.
22:00And the Hamptons house is my happy place.
22:03And when you're there, it's hard.
22:05Like, it's right on the ocean.
22:07It's beachfront.
22:07And so, like, when you're there, it's hard to be in a bank.
22:09Wow.
22:09It's hard to get.
22:10Yeah.
22:11You guys are lucky.
22:12It's a beautiful, it's a beautiful house.
22:15So, I wanted to bring them there so they could, yeah.
22:17Can I just interrupt?
22:17Allie and I are available.
22:19Yeah, right?
22:20Come on out.
22:20Because it's empty right now.
22:23And it's a, I'm actually a very avid real estate investor.
22:28So, at first, we bought it as an investment property because we heard the rents out and
22:31the Hamptons are great.
22:33And we ended up falling in love with it so much that we reserve a few weeks a year for
22:37our family to go out.
22:38So, I wanted to bring them out there to show them that side of me.
22:42The lighthearted, fun, let's go drink, have fun, you know, sit on the beach kind of party.
22:47And how did they react?
22:48Because they did think that maybe you were like the...
22:52The poor housewife?
22:53The poor housewife.
22:53Right.
22:54Yeah.
22:54Because you like to do things when it comes to your place.
22:58So, I think that they were really shocked that I had a Hamptons house that didn't make
23:04sense.
23:05Like, how do you have a beachfront Hamptons house and yet you throw your kids' parties
23:10in the driveway with pizza and, like, you toss people an Amazon box for their parting gift?
23:15I think they were really surprised and then I think that there were a few more revelations
23:21about how much money I actually have, which I didn't think would ever end up being something
23:27I talked about on the show.
23:29And I really, I don't put any numbers on anything, but it becomes kind of apparent that I am pretty
23:34wealthy.
23:35And I think certain of the ladies...
23:38And this is self-made wealth.
23:39No.
23:40No?
23:41Some of it is self-made.
23:42So, my husband kills it in finance.
23:44He does great.
23:47I have...
23:48My parents made a lot of money growing up.
23:52And...
23:53What kind of business were they in?
23:55So, my father's always been in real estate, but my mother started an uber successful computer
24:01software company.
24:02Wow.
24:02How brilliant.
24:03Yes.
24:04And I love to say that I love going through her college yearbook.
24:08So, my mother was born in Israel and came here at 13 years old, didn't speak a word
24:12of English, didn't have a penny in her pocket, and ended up graduating valedictorian from
24:17her high school and put herself through college.
24:20And I love looking through her college yearbook.
24:22She went to Brooklyn College because she is the only woman in the economics section of the
24:29yearbook.
24:29I love it.
24:30And she did absolutely phenomenally in business.
24:35And by the time she sold her company, she just did really well for herself.
24:41And then my parents, who are both very smart, invested all their money.
24:43So, not all of it, but they invested quite a bit.
24:46So, I had a trust fund set up for me that I said I would never touch.
24:51Um, but there were times that money came my way and I took all the money that ever came
24:57my way and invested it right into real estate.
25:00So, I have quite a portfolio myself, which I've never talked about and I would never put
25:05numbers on or tell anyone anything about.
25:07But one of, one of the pieces of my investment was at Hampton's house.
25:11So, but Evan and I went in together on that because he has his own money.
25:15Um, but we both do well for ourselves.
25:17So, my investments pay off.
25:20Um, he makes a lot of money from his job.
25:22So, we work, we support ourselves.
25:24Of course, everything we have is from us.
25:26But anytime I did get money from the trust fund, I put it towards real estate.
25:30Yeah, which is really smart and like a great way to show your kids also how to, uh, to spend
25:35their money.
25:36Yeah.
25:36No, it really is.
25:37Well, congratulations for doing that.
25:40Um, and it's, can you give us, um, some insight into how Teresa's doing?
25:46Because she's been through, through so much this year.
25:49Um, I actually don't, I, I'm in a pretty good place with Teresa now, relatively speaking.
25:55Um, we'll see what happens after reunion.
25:57But, um.
25:58We got to wait for this reunion.
26:00Right?
26:01Yeah.
26:01Um, so, but I don't have regular contact with Teresa.
26:06Um, but I think that she is doing okay now that there's some closure.
26:13I think it was torturous for her to know that her husband was stuck in, in the ice facility.
26:19Yeah.
26:19And that her children were just waiting and waiting and waiting.
26:22And I think there is some closure now that her children can see their father, can be
26:26in Italy with him.
26:27Of course, she's still heartbroken that they have to, you know, go to another country to
26:31see their dad.
26:32But, um, I think she's slowly beginning to move on with her life, but I don't, I don't
26:36speak to her on it.
26:37But I really do hope that she finds happiness and hope that she finds someone that makes
26:41her happy.
26:42Yeah.
26:42Well, we are so happy that you came in to join us today and thank you for being so honest
26:49about your, yes, your eating disorder and your recovery.
26:55And I think that's, you know, it's, it's encouraging for other women who may be feeling that way
27:00because so many women are obsessed with eating.
27:03Yeah.
27:04And I would just say before you like judge someone, I mean, I'm sure there's people who
27:08are going to listen to this and be like, that's so ridiculous that she can't eat breakfast
27:11and it's not breakfast itself.
27:13It's just, you know, issues with food are really lifelong for some people.
27:17And, and I think that it's just something that you continue working on.
27:22Yeah.
27:23Well, thank you so much.
27:24Thank you guys.
27:25It was an honor to meet you both.
27:27Oh, well, thank you.
27:27And come back and see us again.
27:29Anytime.
27:30Anytime.
27:30And make sure to tune in to Real Housewives of New Jersey Wednesdays at 8pm on Bravo.
27:36Of course.
27:38Thanks.
27:38Yes, we'll tune in.
27:40Bye.
27:40Bye.
27:41Bye.
27:41Bye.
27:41Bye.
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