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00:00MUSIC
00:19Welcome to Sorry I Didn't Know.
00:22I'm your host, Chizzie Akadulu, and I'll be your florist,
00:25inhaling the sweet scent of our stories
00:27and picking the petals of progressive power
00:29from the bouquet of black brilliance.
00:32I bring you history with a touch of colour.
00:37To my right, pollinating the panel with punchlines,
00:39it's Richard Blackwood!
00:44Who's joining you tonight, Rich?
00:46To my left, this comedian often gets mistaken for clear boarding
00:50and once had a disastrous run-in with royalty.
00:53It's Daniel Fox.
00:54CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
00:57And to my right is a man so dedicated to comedy
01:00that after 25 years, he called his new show Married to the Game.
01:04It's comedian on my bedroom, Kojo Anim.
01:11And to my left, likely to give you hay fever,
01:14it's Eni Katniss!
01:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:17Who's joining you, Eddie?
01:19Well, Chizzie, to my right is my G,
01:22fellow Radio 1 Extra DJ and a powerhouse known as your local energy provider.
01:27You'll see why as soon as she gets going.
01:29This one here is Remy Burks.
01:32CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:34Now, to my left is a man who went from being a banker
01:37to a career in comedy, but probably got a heck of doing both.
01:40It's Ayshan Akbar!
01:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:45Welcome to you all.
01:46Remy.
01:47Now, as a fellow Nigerian woman, I have a bone to pick with you.
01:50If you could only eat jollof rice...
01:52Sorry, Nigerian jollof rice...
01:54LAUGHTER
01:55..or a full English for the rest of your days, which would it be?
02:00OK, so, you said just jollof rice, right?
02:03No, no, Nigerian.
02:04Yeah, OK, Nigerian jollof rice, right?
02:06You have not mentioned plantain, chicken.
02:09You have not mentioned any of the other things that come with it.
02:12LAUGHTER
02:13So, for that reason, I'm going to say full English.
02:15Oh, no.
02:16Because there's range on the plants.
02:17Come on.
02:18You have protein, fibre, carb...
02:21LAUGHTER
02:22You can have turkey rashes, beef, you know,
02:24beef, you know what I mean?
02:25Heg, you know?
02:26So, if it's jollof, plus anything else you wanted,
02:29which one would you go for?
02:30You know, if I get anything that normally comes with jollof rice,
02:33then we're going with jollof rice.
02:34OK.
02:35Is it mad that I prefer Ghanaian jollof rice?
02:37Oh, go away.
02:38Do you know, I'm not helping myself here.
02:39Remy, Remy, you must leave!
02:40Leave!
02:42Can I just say, all this jollof chat, biryani for life, baby.
02:45LAUGHTER
02:47Life, life, go!
02:48Right, go!
02:49Right, go yourself!
02:51LAUGHTER
02:52Ishan!
02:53You started off in private banking.
02:55I did.
02:56Was it all white generational wealth and gold cards?
02:58Yeah, I mean, for the clients it was, not for me.
03:01Like, one year, I had a really good year,
03:03cos I'm Asian, so I'm good at maths, innit?
03:05And...
03:06So, things went really well, and then I said to my boss,
03:08listen, can I have a promotion?
03:09He was like, all right, give me five weeks,
03:11I'll come back to you with a really good offer.
03:12I was like, this is going to be sick.
03:13I want to buy a Mercedes.
03:15Things are looking up.
03:16Five weeks later, he comes to me and he says,
03:18I want to make you the UK private bank diversity champion.
03:21Oh!
03:22I'm like, yo, OK, what does this mean?
03:23He goes, you have to have a meeting
03:25with the other non-white people in the building.
03:27LAUGHTER
03:28The only other non-white person in the building was a Mexican cleaner.
03:31LAUGHTER
03:32By the way, do I get more money?
03:33They were like, nah.
03:34No!
03:35So, yeah, it was a tough time.
03:37Daniel, you've just finished touring a podcast
03:40where you're very open about your personal life.
03:42How do people react to that?
03:44Yeah, pretty well.
03:45Recently found out that my grandmother is one of the audience members.
03:48Oh!
03:49She's quite a woke grandma, so it's quite...
03:51She's, like, very woke about human rights,
03:52quite fascist about how to make a good Victoria sponge cake,
03:55but otherwise...
03:56LAUGHTER
03:57But, um, she went to Pride recently, which was very cute,
04:00but she was talking us through what she thought
04:02the acronym LGBTQ meant.
04:05It's L for lesbian.
04:06And we were like, yes, it is, very good.
04:08And she was like, and then it's gay.
04:09And we were like, yes.
04:10And then she was like, and then it's black.
04:11And we were like, no!
04:12LAUGHTER
04:15See what you're going with, actually, like, you know,
04:17because I definitely think what she did is go,
04:19which groups need more support?
04:20And then just left everyone in.
04:21LAUGHTER
04:22I respect that.
04:23Kojo, you are of Ghanaian heritage.
04:26Yeah.
04:27But you did grow up in a Caribbean household.
04:29Yeah.
04:30What was that like?
04:31In an African household, like, when you got in trouble,
04:33the punishments were very physical,
04:35so you had to kind of, like, do squats and stuff like that.
04:37Oh, yeah.
04:38Caribbean household, they just, you know, call the police.
04:40LAUGHTER
04:42An African household, you know, you had to touch your foot,
04:45keep one leg in the air for three days.
04:46Yes, yeah.
04:47You know?
04:48Caribbean household, you just call the police.
04:50LAUGHTER
04:51And then one time I got in trouble in the Caribbean household,
04:53they called the police and then they gave them
04:55the same punishment as me.
04:57LAUGHTER
04:58So it's just one of those things where I have both cultures,
05:01you know what I mean?
05:02So jollof, rice, rice and peas, I'll have it all.
05:04LAUGHTER
05:05Give it up for our amazing guests, everybody.
05:07APPLAUSE
05:13Time for a round called This Was When.
05:16For this one, we've dug deep into the archives.
05:19I'll show our teams a photo from a moment in time
05:21and they just need to tell me what's going on.
05:23OK, teams, what's the story here?
05:26LAUGHTER
05:28It's definitely...
05:29Did I turn off the iron?
05:31LAUGHTER
05:33Eddie?
05:35This isn't a dance hall rave.
05:36You know when you try to catch that wine
05:38and then she freezes and she looks at her friends,
05:40is he nice?
05:41LAUGHTER
05:42LAUGHTER
05:43Daniel?
05:44Beyonce realising that wasn't a fart.
05:46LAUGHTER
05:50You want me to know the actual answer?
05:51Eddie?
05:52This is, of course, during the Grammys
05:54when Beyonce finally wins album of the year
05:57and she acts shocked.
05:58Do you know what the album was?
06:00The album was...
06:01Yes.
06:02..the first four-way carton.
06:03Come on.
06:04You are correct.
06:05APPLAUSE
06:06This is the moment that Beyonce shot not only herself
06:08but many others by becoming the first black woman in history
06:11to win Best Country Album at the 2025 Grammy Awards.
06:15APPLAUSE
06:17Can you tell me what's going on in this image?
06:20BUZZER
06:21Yeah.
06:22Daniel?
06:23This is the first four-way interracial marriage.
06:26LAUGHTER
06:28Presenting their beautiful daughter.
06:30The black lady's asking, can we call him Winston?
06:34LAUGHTER
06:35Layers to that, there's layers.
06:37Ishaq?
06:38Is this the original Spice Girls with Baby there?
06:41LAUGHTER
06:43APPLAUSE
06:45Thank you, thank you.
06:46Yeah, that picture.
06:47You know the baddest part, right, is that this picture
06:50was taken so far back, all those women are in their 20s.
06:53Right?
06:54LAUGHTER
06:55You know what?
06:56Why do they always look extra old?
06:58That was the thing back then.
06:59It was a different time.
07:00That is...
07:01That was a young chick.
07:02LAUGHTER
07:03Ishaq?
07:04Is she the first ever black midwife in the NHS?
07:08That is correct.
07:09APPLAUSE
07:10This was when nurse Daphne Steele became the first black matron
07:14in the NHS.
07:16Overseeing 450 births, she didn't just deliver babies,
07:20she delivered history.
07:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
07:25OK, can you tell me what's happening here?
07:29Eishan?
07:30Is this the first white man to gentrify Peckham?
07:33LAUGHTER
07:34Daniel?
07:36This is actually a really popular video online,
07:38but it's a different still.
07:39The usual thumbnail is the older white guy sat on a couch
07:42and then the other guys are all gathered around him in the line.
07:45LAUGHTER
07:46Very popular.
07:47So you're the black in the LGBT?
07:50LAUGHTER
07:52Eishan?
07:54Are the black guys saying,
07:55we know you're trying to sneak a bottle into this club?
07:57Why has he got such a big bulge next to him?
07:59LAUGHTER
08:01What is that?
08:02Remi?
08:03Is the white man asking them if they've heard of Stevie Wonder?
08:07LAUGHTER
08:08Eddie?
08:10See, many of us have gone through this experience
08:12in a Western club.
08:14The dress code is perfect and the guy will still come and say,
08:17sorry, fellas, wrong hats.
08:18Yeah.
08:19LAUGHTER
08:20Eddie?
08:21It feels like it was before the war or something, huh?
08:24So this is literally these three guys saying,
08:26we don't want to do this, but just tell us what we need to do.
08:29LAUGHTER
08:30I'm going to give you a point.
08:31I'm going to give you a point.
08:32This was when Oliver Stanley,
08:34the Secretary of State for Colonies during the Second World War,
08:37visited the Jamaican Royal Air Force volunteers
08:40who were stationed in Yorkshire.
08:42This, guys, is not AI.
08:44They were black people who actually fought in the war.
08:48Yes!
08:49APPLAUSE
08:50And the winner of that round is...
08:53Eddie's team!
08:54Come on!
08:55APPLAUSE
08:56Our next game is Blackity Blank.
09:01Now, that sound has been remixed just enough to avoid the lawyers knocking on my door.
09:11In this round, I'm going to read our team's real-life headlines that are featured on the front pages of some of the newspapers we know, love and in some cases, hate.
09:20The headlines are missing several words and all our teams need to do is fill in the blanks.
09:24Richard, you're up first.
09:26Africans have become the blank to blank.
09:29So...
09:30Africans have become the most beautiful thing to have come out of the UK since the Caribbeans came.
09:36Oi!
09:37Oi!
09:38Oi!
09:39Africans have become the first human beings to be turned into a flavour of Lynx deodorant.
09:44Matt!
09:45Matt!
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10:34playing crucial roles in social care.
10:36So any bigots watching might want to remember where they've stuck
10:39with their parents before running their mouths about immigration.
10:42APPLAUSE
10:44Eddie, it's over to your team.
10:46Rafa gives out 4,000 blank in Lewisham ahead of blank.
10:51I hate this one, I think.
10:52Lewisham as well is the key word here.
10:54But what do they give out?
10:56Because I'm from West London, so you're from South.
10:58What do they give out in Lewisham?
10:59You pass through there.
11:00You don't do too much.
11:01You know what I mean?
11:03You don't hang a bat, you know what I mean?
11:05You just go through.
11:06So Rafa gives out 4,000 nods in Lewisham.
11:09You know black people love hearing it.
11:11Do you know the answer to this one, but I'm going to let you guys go.
11:14Yeah, Rafa. I do, because it's my bedroom that did it.
11:16Oh. OK, hold tight, hold tight.
11:18Rafa, Rafa?
11:19Right, if it's his bedroom, Rafa gives out 4,000 condoms.
11:22LAUGHTER
11:24Oh!
11:26I always have friends that are really safe.
11:29If that's the case, it is his bedroom.
11:30The Rafa gives out 4,000 hair follicles in Lewisham.
11:33LAUGHTER
11:34Very popular item.
11:35You should have went down there.
11:36LAUGHTER
11:37He was busy on the wrong day.
11:40I was late, I was late.
11:42The Rafa gives out 4,000, um, chick...
11:45I think it was turkeys in Lewisham ahead of Christmas.
11:48Because I believe it was Fecky.
11:50Oh, yes!
11:51Whole point, whole point.
11:53Yeah!
11:54Yeah!
11:55The full headline was Rafa gives out 4,000 turkeys in Lewisham
11:59ahead of Christmas.
12:01The headline from 2023 was about grime rapper Fecky,
12:05who felt it was important to give back to his community,
12:07having grown up poor.
12:09And the winner of that round is...
12:11Eddie's team!
12:13APPLAUSE
12:16It's time for the adverts now.
12:17But before we leave, here's a question for you.
12:20Which famous footballer does this impressive tribute
12:23of black history belong to?
12:25See you in a few.
12:26APPLAUSE
12:28Welcome back to You Sorry I Didn't Know.
12:42Before the break, I asked you which footballer has this incredible
12:45tribute to black history tattooed on his back?
12:47The answer is Andre Gray.
12:51After going on a journey to learn more about black history,
12:53Andre was inspired to create this masterpiece.
12:57Apparently, there's some revolutionaries on there,
12:59but all I can see is muscle.
13:00LAUGHTER
13:01And now it's time for our next round,
13:03where we jump in our metaphorical time machine
13:06and visit history that the curriculum forgot.
13:09Let's go black in time!
13:11APPLAUSE
13:19In this round, with the help of their teammates,
13:21Eddie and Richard must pinpoint important historical dates.
13:25Points go to the teams closest to the correct date.
13:27Tonight's theme is education.
13:30First up, your question is...
13:33What year did the University of Oxford admit
13:35their first black student?
13:38Richard.
13:39Dan, I would confirm, but I don't believe you know.
13:41I think I might know.
13:43Go on, Dan, talk to me.
13:44I think it's like early...
13:45I feel like it might be like 1860, like 1850, 1860.
13:49So, you reckon we literally came out of slaves straight into university?
13:53LAUGHTER
13:54I reckon you're right.
13:5618... What did you say, Dan?
13:57I think about 1850.
13:58So, around here, I'm going to say 18...
14:0155.
14:0255!
14:03LAUGHTER
14:04Eddie's team.
14:05Is this officially?
14:06Officially? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:07Because, you know, like, some people are going to people's uni,
14:09sitting in the lecture, but they don't...
14:11They haven't enrolled, but they're still getting the education.
14:13Yeah, yeah.
14:14I think it's probably a bit later than that,
14:16because I don't know whether Oxford University,
14:19given how close slavery was then,
14:21would have been that keen for a black student...
14:24Straight away.
14:25..that soon.
14:26If Richard then not said, what, 1855?
14:28Mm.
14:29I reckon it's about 15, 20 years after, personally.
14:32I reckon it might have been just before that.
14:36Oh, you reckon, yeah.
14:37OK. 1820?
14:38So, what...
14:391753!
14:40LAUGHTER
14:42I reckon 1840.
14:44Let's do it.
14:45Go ahead, go ahead.
14:46You go...
14:46You go...
14:46You go do what you got to do.
14:48OK.
14:49OK, next up.
14:50When was the first novel published by a black woman?
14:53Eddie, you're first.
14:55I'm going to go with 18...
14:58..30.
15:00Ooh!
15:01I'll see if thinking before they're admitting...
15:03Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
15:04Yeah, cos there's, like, would have been a wonderful history
15:06of oracy in Africa...
15:07Come on!
15:08..and they would have, like, said beautiful stories,
15:10someone would have captured it.
15:11And it would have been long before they were admitted into Oxford,
15:13I reckon.
15:14So, yeah, I'm with you.
15:15So, 1830?
15:16Yeah.
15:17HE SINGS
15:18HE SINGS
15:19HE SINGS
15:20Go on, Eddie.
15:23Richard's team!
15:24I think the first fiction novel by any woman...
15:28Yes. ..is, like, late 1700s.
15:30So, to then be, like, a fiction novel by a black woman,
15:33it's going to have to probably be a bit later.
15:36I think it was, like, 1780, the first female fiction writer.
15:40Do you not hear how eloquent and articulate he is?
15:43He knows.
15:44What?
15:45Yeah, but don't get Jedi mind-tricked by that.
15:47Yeah.
15:48You need the right answer, brother.
15:49I don't want it to sound like the right answer.
15:52No, but you know, but you...
15:53This is how they colonised us!
15:54LAUGHTER
15:55That's what they did!
15:57He sounded clever!
15:58And we were like, yo, all my days!
16:01And you stop because you still sell
16:03black people's hair products back to us.
16:05LAUGHTER
16:08As the former dean of Oxford University...
16:10Yes!
16:12I don't know. Like, 1860s, maybe?
16:14I think I'm around that area.
16:16I think it's definitely later.
16:18What are you saying, Rich?
16:19I might go from 1860-plus.
16:211865.
16:23No, I'm going to go 1870.
16:241870, yeah?
16:25Yeah, I'm going to say that from there onwards.
16:28It gave them nearly 15 years to go,
16:30OK, they're intelligent, let's read their books.
16:33LAUGHTER
16:34Next question.
16:36What year was the first university-level institution
16:38in Africa established?
16:40Richard.
16:41Rich, have you been to Africa at all?
16:43That's not important.
16:44I'm going to ask you!
16:46That was just a question, my brother!
16:48So it's the first university-level...
16:51Yeah. OK.
16:52Yeah. So it's round here?
16:54I think it's later, personally.
16:56And he's looking this way.
16:57He said...
16:59I believe this is a bit of a red herring trick question.
17:03Oh, my God!
17:04No, go with me here, right?
17:07I believe we would actually like to think it was closer
17:10to what we class as modern times.
17:12That's true.
17:13But if we're going from the fact that Africa is a place
17:15that we all originate from, it's safe to say that they were ahead.
17:19Remember, they built the pyramids way back.
17:20They were advanced before we even knew anything.
17:25So what are you saying?
17:271810?
17:28I reckon it's round here.
17:29I think 18, like, 20, 1810.
17:30Yeah, I think it's round here.
17:31I think the rest of the world caught on maybe 100 years later.
17:35Yeah.
17:36I'm going to place it round about here, 18, 18.
17:38That's how much I believe in you.
17:39I'm cool with that.
17:40Equal.
17:41AJ!
17:42It doesn't matter whether you believe in us or not.
17:44These things were happening, number one.
17:45And by the way, whilst you guys were singing Feed the World,
17:48we were actually eating jollof fries, laughing at you.
17:50Look at you.
17:51At these parties.
17:53Feed the World.
17:54Do they know it's Christmas time?
17:56Well, I think we do.
17:59You took the money, though, didn't you?
18:00I was.
18:05You took the money and we used it to travel back to the UK.
18:09So here's a fact, right?
18:11First of all, I think Morocco.
18:13Morocco, yeah.
18:14Had the earliest university.
18:15Yeah.
18:16Muslim women.
18:17Mathematics was established in Africa, my brother.
18:19Yes.
18:20Very well-educated people.
18:21It was early 1800s, but it was...
18:23100%.
18:24Yeah, it was in Morocco, set by a Muslim woman.
18:26Yep.
18:27First university ever.
18:28Yes.
18:29And I'm going to go kind of 1810s.
18:31Me too.
18:32Yeah, it's like...
18:3318...
18:3418...
18:35Just put it on the 1800s.
18:36Between those two.
18:37Yeah.
18:38Just before 1810.
18:39189.
18:401810.
18:41It's given seven.
18:421807.
18:43Right.
18:44Let's see how many you got right.
18:46First up, it was 1873 when Christian Frederick Cole from Sierra Leone
18:52was admitted to Oxford.
18:541873.
18:551873.
18:56How the body?
18:57Is she there?
18:59He became the first black African to receive a degree in 1877.
19:04Closest is...
19:05Richard's team.
19:07Oh.
19:08Good job, then.
19:10Next.
19:11Yes.
19:12The first known novel by a black American woman was between 1853 and 1861.
19:17Hmm.
19:181853.
19:191854.
19:20Come on, do us nicely.
19:21Let's put it about.
19:22The novel titled The Bond Woman's Narrative was written by Hannah Crafts as believed to
19:28be one of the first novels written by a fugitive slave.
19:31We're going to give you guys both a point.
19:33Woo!
19:34Thank you very much.
19:35On to the first university level institution in Africa.
19:39This was established in 1827.
19:42Oh!
19:43Yes.
19:44You're going to give us both a point even though I'm closer, yeah?
19:47LAUGHTER
19:48The university called Fura Bay College was based in Sierra Leone.
19:52Oh!
19:53Until the Second World War, Fura Bay was the only alternative for West Africans who wanted
19:57a university degree.
19:59And after that round, the winner is...
20:02Richard C!
20:03CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:06We're almost out of time on tonight's show, but not before we dive into our final round,
20:15general chopperness.
20:16In this quickfire round, I'll fling questions at our teams like hotcakes, and they can only
20:22buzz in after I've finished the question.
20:25Let's begin.
20:26Who was the first and youngest African-American to be nominated for Best Director at the Oscars?
20:31Eddie.
20:32John Singleton.
20:33Correct.
20:34What is the name given to Nigeria's billion-dollar film industry?
20:37Eddie.
20:38Nollywood.
20:39Correct.
20:40Which former Arsenal player is considered the greatest striker and all-time goalscorer?
20:45Remy.
20:46Thierry O'Brien!
20:47Yeah!
20:48Who was the first black woman to win Book of the Year in 2020 with Queenie?
20:54Ishan.
20:55Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie?
20:56Incorrect.
20:58Remy.
20:59Candice Carty-Williams.
21:00Absolutely right.
21:01Yes, come on.
21:02True or false?
21:03Nigeria has a popular festival where people throw tomatoes at each other.
21:07Ishan.
21:08False.
21:09Correct.
21:10Which three-pointed symbol regularly featured in Jean-Michel Basquiat's art?
21:14Ishan.
21:15A crown.
21:16Correct.
21:17Which city the 1981 riots against police brutality started?
21:22Remy.
21:23Richard's hometown Brixton.
21:24Correct.
21:25And at the end of that round, the winner is Eddie's team.
21:33Which means the winner of tonight's show is Eddie's team.
21:38Thank you to tonight's guests, Kojo Anin, Daniel Fox, team leader Richard Blackwood, Remy Bergz,
21:53Ishan Akbar, and team leader Eddie Caddy.
21:59Before we go, here's a quote from activist James Baldwin.
22:03Know from whence you came.
22:05If you know whence you came, there are absolutely no limitations to where you can go.
22:11Beautiful.
22:12Goodnight.
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