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00:00Sounds like in the last few weeks, last month, Zuckerberg assembled leadership.
00:05They looked at the budget for next year and metaverse is where they want to focus their cuts.
00:09Bring us your reporting.
00:10Yes. So this is an annual thing, right?
00:12Looking ahead to 2026 budgets.
00:14In this case, Mark Zuckerberg has a nice home in Hawaii where they have a series of meetings.
00:20Executives come in in the month of November.
00:23And to your point, they talk about this year 10 percent cuts sort of across the board,
00:28looking at all the different teams, but that the metaverse has been asked to cut much more deeply than that.
00:34As much as 30 percent is currently being discussed, I should point out it hasn't been decided yet,
00:39but a cut of 30 percent would certainly also come with layoffs.
00:42So to your point, this is an effort that Mark Zuckerberg has touted as being the future of the company for years.
00:48So it's a pretty meaningful change there.
00:51Let's go back to when he thought it was the future of the company.
00:55Just take a listen to Mark Zuckerberg back in 2021.
00:59If we all work at it, then within the next decade, the metaverse will reach a billion people,
01:04host hundreds of billions of dollars of digital commerce,
01:07and support jobs for millions of creators and developers.
01:13Boy, a lot has changed since then.
01:15And that was a long time ago, Kurt.
01:17But we still will get the idea that we'll have augmented reality.
01:21We're still focusing in on the glasses.
01:23It's just not the actual virtual worlds and working out.
01:27That's right.
01:28And the virtual worlds aren't going away, to be clear.
01:30It's still going to be something that they invest in, just not quite as aggressively as they had.
01:35And what was explained to me by sources this week is that part of that is that the market has not really materialized.
01:42I think they originally spent a lot of money building out this metaverse group,
01:47thinking that they would have competition from others in the industry rushing towards a metaverse-like product as well.
01:52That has not happened.
01:54And so it's not necessarily that Mark Zuckerberg no longer believes in this.
01:58I'm told that he still does.
02:00But clearly they have overspent to try to build this thing.
02:04And I think the ultimate goal is to get to these AI-inspired glasses and AR glasses.
02:09And maybe the metaverse was a stepping stone to that all the way.
02:12So actually it signals a commitment to AI hardware, distinct from metaverse hardware.
02:17I thought it was really interesting that shares of Essela Loxotica,
02:20who they partner with to make the Ray-Ban Metas, kind of rose a little bit after the story.
02:25And all of the analysts notes, and there are many actually reacting to our reporting,
02:29say this is probably bullish for AI spending.
02:32At the same time, Bloomberg reporting that Apple's most senior design executive going to meta.
02:37Right.
02:38They are not giving up on hardware, right?
02:39The VR virtual reality group is expected to be hit by these metaverse cuts, right?
02:44That is the immersive metaverse product.
02:47But they are still investing in AI glasses, the Ray-Bans that you mentioned, Ed.
02:52They are still obviously bringing in big talent and poaching people to design these things.
02:58This is what Mark Zuckerberg talks about on earnings calls.
03:00AI, he talks about the glasses.
03:02Those things are not going away.
03:03It is the specific kind of immersive virtual stuff that it looks like they're taking a second look at.
03:08Okay.
03:11Okay.
03:20Bye.
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