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« Si vous projetez votre puissance, la Russie ne vous attaquera pas » - Les députés européens Cristian Terheș (ECR) et Cynthia Ní Mhurchú (Renew Europe) discutent de la sécurité de l'Europe dans l'émission The Ring.
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00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:30So far, Ukraine and Europe have remarkably been sidelined in negotiations aimed at ending
00:44the war with Russia.
00:46U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff met Russian President Vladimir Putin to push a U.S.-sponsored
00:51peace deal.
00:52Initially concocted with the Kremlin, the plan was amended with European and Ukrainian inputs
00:57after concerns emerged that Kiev would be pressured into unacceptable concessions.
01:03Yet, Europe is having a hard time finding a seat at the negotiation table.
01:07French President Emmanuel Macron welcomed Vladimir Zelensky at the Élysée Palace and stressed
01:12that no agreement would materialize without European participation.
01:16Voices are also rising in Brussels for Europe to have its own plan to ensure a lasting peace
01:21in Ukraine and deter Moscow from future military action.
01:25Only the 27 can't agree on how to proceed.
01:28So, what next for the EU?
01:35And should the 27 remain a soft power or transition to a military might?
01:40The questions we'll be putting to our contenders.
01:42Let's meet them.
01:44Cynthia Newarku, Irish MEP for the Liberal Renew Group.
01:48A former journalist and lawyer, she's a devoted pro-European who believes in dialogue and negotiation
01:54under the right circumstances.
01:56Any credible peace plan must involve Ukraine, the EU, the United States and Russia and it
02:02cannot be imposed on Ukraine or come at the expense of its sovereignty, territorial integrity
02:07or democratic future, she said.
02:10Christian Terhes, Romanian MEP for the European Conservatives and Reformists Group.
02:15Former candidate for the country's presidency, a defender of national sovereignty, he has
02:20dismissed the guarantees given by the US, Great Britain, Germany and Russia to Ukraine
02:25in order to give up its nuclear arsenal in 1994.
02:29Now he warns against the acceptance of a peace agreement with Russia at any cost.
02:34In the natural tendency, man wants peace immediately.
02:37But history shows us the price of hasty decisions, he said.
02:41Cynthia Newarku and Christian Teresh, welcome to The Ring.
02:48Thank you so much for having us.
02:49Hi, Christian.
02:50Hi, Cynthia.
02:51Great to have you with us.
02:51Well, look, ladies first, perhaps.
02:53We'll kick off with Cynthia Newarku.
02:55Why is the European Union not at the driving seat in the talks to end the war in Ukraine,
02:59but always reacting?
02:59No, the EU is at the driving seat, but the driving seat is shared and should be shared
03:06between the nations and the countries that have a vested interest.
03:11Obviously, we're in a particular space whereby America has withdrawn somewhat from its previous
03:19historical support through NATO and so forth.
03:21So we are in a new geopolitical atmosphere, as we all know, and therefore we are in the
03:27driving seat very much, but we can't take over in the driving seat.
03:30We also need our partners.
03:32So Russia is involved with the United States and obviously we have Europe.
03:35But most importantly, we have President Zelenskyy and Ukraine.
03:39And in your clip, you indicated that the coalition of the willing, indeed,
03:43Zelenskyy was welcome to the Palace Elysee, but he was also welcomed to my country
03:47and my parliament in the Dáil.
03:49And I can tell you that Europe stands firm, very firm, with Ukraine, because I think my
03:54friend will agree with me, if we don't stand in Europe with Ukraine, who is next?
03:59Probably your country, Romania, possibly Ireland on the Western flight.
04:03But messages of support in New Yorku are not enough.
04:03We have Kaya Callas.
04:05She's the EU Foreign Affairs Chief, but she's nowhere to be seen in any of those images.
04:09Well, I think the European Union right now has to take the lead in this fight,
04:13because at the end of the day, it's not in the U.S. main interest.
04:17to resolve the situation in Ukraine, but it's in our own interest, in the European Union,
04:21and especially on countries that are on the eastern flank of NATO.
04:25As Cynthia rightfully mentioned, we are very concerned in Eastern Europe,
04:29because if Ukraine collapses, who is next?
04:34It's someone from the Baltic region, it's Romania, who's next?
04:36I mean, concern is one thing, messages of support is another thing, but has the EU done enough?
04:39I'm sorry, Maeve, I mean, I watched the news overnight.
04:43Putin has withdrawn from the peace talks.
04:45Putin does not want peace.
04:46Russia does not want peace.
04:48Europe has bent over backwards in their very professional, organised way,
04:52bearing in mind we have 27 member states,
04:54and has really negotiated very skilfully and very hard.
04:58And I don't really accept any criticism of Kaya Callas.
05:01She may not be seen in pictures, but I'm not depending on her being seen in pictures.
05:05I'm depending on her and her team negotiating hard, and they have been doing that.
05:09But bear in mind, they didn't withdraw.
05:11Putin has withdrawn.
05:11Why did the EU get sidelined by the Trump 28-point peace plan?
05:16That's very, very simple.
05:18And I mean, again, I'm sure Christian will agree.
05:20President Trump has set up these so-called collaborative talks, which are not collaborative in any way,
05:26because the United States did not come as the arbitrator, as the mediator, with its proposed plan drawn from both sides.
05:34He came with a Russian plan.
05:36And we saw Steve Whitcoff.
05:37He's been to Moscow around six times, but never visited Kyiv.
05:41As you can see right now, we talk too much about what the US does or what the US wants.
05:45The question is what the EU does.
05:47Exactly.
05:47And when you talk to Russia, historically speaking, you have to negotiate with Russia from a position of power,
05:53because the only language that the Russian would listen to is the language of power.
05:59We talk too much.
06:00We don't act enough.
06:01Not only that we don't act enough, we don't act strong.
06:03I'll give you an example.
06:04Nord Stream 2, for example.
06:05When Trump was elected in 2016, he sanctioned the companies that were built in Nord Stream 2.
06:11When Biden was elected in 2020, he lifted the sanctions.
06:14That's how Nord Stream 2 was finalized.
06:15Then we saw what happened in 2022.
06:17For so many years, there were so many talks, even here in the European Parliament.
06:20But behind the scenes, many EU countries, you know, still conducted business with Russia.
06:26So we paid for this work.
06:28Yeah, I totally agree with Christian when he says about, you know, not acting up quickly enough,
06:32because if we look back at the initial invasion of Putin into Ukraine, that's when Europe should have acted more comprehensively, more firmly.
06:40And they didn't.
06:41And we really are paying the price of that now.
06:43But I don't accept the premise that Europe is in some way way too weak or way too ineffective.
06:48I do believe that progress will be made.
06:51Look at how Trump is stymied every time he says there's a deadline made.
06:55Every time he says it's a deadline, that deadline is passed and we move to a next phase.
06:59He wants a quick fix.
07:00He won't learn the lesson, Trump, that we can't get a quick fix when he's asking Ukraine to give up its sovereignty.
07:06And then he's going to ask Romania to give up their sovereignty and Poland.
07:09And where I was standing in Estonia some weeks ago, looking across at the Russian border and realizing how threatened all these countries on the eastern flank.
07:19But you know what?
07:20It's only a hair's breadth away from Ireland.
07:22And you say, of course, the Kremlin only understands the language of power.
07:26How would you react to Vladimir Putin's comments this week when he said he's ready for a war with Europe?
07:30I will not react with words.
07:32I would react with actions.
07:33We need to build up our defense.
07:35But on top of that, we need to set ourselves the proper mindset in dealing with Russia.
07:41And I paraphrase what the former Taliban leader told many U.S. generals when they had a meeting.
07:46The general or the U.S. general said, well, we got to finish this fast, fast, fast.
07:49And the Taliban says, you know, what is the difference between you and us?
07:51What?
07:52You have the watch.
07:54We have the time.
07:55So the Russians right now are using exactly the same strategy.
07:59Yes.
07:59Cynthia was right when she mentioned that Trump is always, you know, coming up with these deadlines, you know, from one day to another.
08:06You cannot have, in such a complicated situation, a peace deal from one day to another.
08:11In order to do that, you need to take, you know, enough time to do it.
08:14But on top of that, you need to have a strong defense behind your words.
08:19So for many decades, the European Union expected that if something happens, U.S. is there to defend us.
08:26U.S. can help, but U.S., apparently right now, cannot drive this anymore.
08:30But, Christian, not only do we need to stand up and smell the coffee with regards to the mindset of Putin,
08:35which I think Europe did a long time ago when they failed to interact and investigate what was going on in the late, in the early 2000s, I should say,
08:43when Russia invaded first, Donbass, etc.
08:46But, unfortunately, we have the mindset of Trump thrown in for good measure.
08:51And, of course, we realize that all the power, all the might, all the money, which Ukraine has been so dependent on,
08:56as well as the huge investment from Russia, it's a very delicate balance.
09:00So, Sarri, you talk about mindset.
09:02There still is a wonderful aspect of politics called diplomacy.
09:06But, of course, Trump doesn't have that in his dictionary or his lexicon.
09:10It doesn't exist.
09:10And so, therefore, Kaya Callas and the negotiating team have to negotiate in a completely different way.
09:17It has to be deferential, it has to be sycophantic, and it has to allow the bully in the room to triumph.
09:23Kaya is coming from one of the Baltic countries, and she had very strong statements, which is very important.
09:28But it's important also, she even mentioned in some of her speeches, to understand the lesson of history.
09:34The first country that was attacked by Russia in the 21st century was Georgia, in 2008.
09:39Because Georgia, in April of 2008, was not accepted in NATO because two NATO countries vetoed their accession.
09:46So, what happened after the war in Georgia in August 2008?
09:50Russia occupied South Ossetia and Arpazia, but in 2009, a new U.S. president took office, Obama.
09:57The first thing that he did once he took office was to resume the relationship with Russia.
10:03Russia came with a precondition.
10:05That said, and I quote, you need to forget everything that happened in 2009, we start from scratch.
10:10Well, they do not start from scratch.
10:12They keep everything that they got so far, and from this point on, they want to negotiate.
10:16But, unfortunately, back to Europeans, to our viewers watching here today, Cynthia Newarku, is it time to militarize our societies?
10:21Is it time for your voters, your children, to start learning how to fight?
10:24I'll tell you what, it's time for now.
10:26It's time to realize that the cooperative military organizations that we have in relation to procurement, in relation to training, in relation to sharing intelligence, that needs to be ramped up.
10:39And, yes, Europe has already reacted to the fact, in the last couple of months, that the budget of each country, we have to commit a certain percentage.
10:48Should we have voluntary military subscription for all Europeans?
10:51And we need to understand that the biggest security guarantees that any country has, it's its own military.
10:57No foreigner, no stranger, is going to come and die for your country.
11:01And we politicians, elected officials, we need to make this point very clear.
11:05Nobody is going to come and die for your country.
11:07If you, whomever you are in what elected office you are, you need to make this clear to your people.
11:14So, you have to have, you have to build up your country to be resilient to any kind of interference from outside.
11:20Either military interference, you know, electoral interference, any kind of malign interference.
11:25So, building up your military is one step, but not the only step.
11:29Because you need to, we need to defend, for example, and make sure that we safeguard our correctness of the electoral process, for example.
11:36But we also need negotiation, Maeve, and we need diplomacy.
11:39So, we need both.
11:39Those two elements which Trump doesn't like.
11:42Let me stop you there, because it is now to take, time to take the gloves off here.
11:46That means, Cynthia and Christian, you can challenge each other directly, just like you do in the hemicycle.
11:55Cynthia, you can kick off with your very first question for Christian.
11:57Certainly.
11:58Are you worried at the statement of Putin overnight, which stated,
12:04if Europe want war, we are ready for war?
12:08And how do you think Europe should react to that statement?
12:11I have to say that Putin said it from 2007, fall of 2007, in Lisbon, during a summit between EU and Russia.
12:20And he said something, and I paraphrase him, if the foreign, if the international community is going to recognize the independence of Kosovo,
12:27all the frozen conflicts from Eastern Europe are going to melt.
12:29And he nominated South Ossetia, Pazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria.
12:34So, that was fall of 2007.
12:36We saw what happened in 2008.
12:38We saw then what happened in 2014 and what happened in 2022.
12:42He's tricking us with words.
12:44Russia was preparing for this war, not from today or from, like, 2014.
12:51Russia was preparing for this war a few years after Putin took power.
12:55So, what should the reaction be?
12:56Well, we need to react.
12:57You need to prepare yourself for war.
12:59You need to, not to attack someone, but to be able to defend yourself.
13:04Because is that not scaremongering?
13:04Are our viewers not sitting at home fretting?
13:06I'm not scaring anybody.
13:08I'm realistic.
13:10Look at what Churchill said, for example, during the Second World War.
13:13It's exactly the kind of leadership that we need and we are missing right now.
13:16I think we need to have a nuanced, mature conversation with our voters,
13:20whether we're on the western periphery in Ireland or we're in Estonia and we're right up against it, the country of Kayakalas.
13:26We need to have a mature conversation that about the militarization and the investment in militarization.
13:32No, it doesn't mean a united European army, but it does mean massive cooperation, massive investment.
13:40But can we afford it?
13:41We will have to afford it, even though there are competing interests, whether it's farmers, which are very dear to my heart,
13:48whether it's businesses, whether it's education, Erasmus.
13:51But right now, at this point in time, we are under threat.
13:55This is the closest we've been to the Cold War that I can remember.
13:58Christian, your question now for Cynthia?
14:00You were mentioning about the price.
14:03I have to say that it's cheaper to invest in your own defense than to support the war.
14:06And we see the situation in Ukraine.
14:08It's way cheaper.
14:09Christian, your opportunity now to address a question to Cynthia.
14:11Yes, considering the...
14:12I hope it's a simple one.
14:13Well, we'll see.
14:14You know, so do you think you could have done more to help Ukraine?
14:19And if so, what?
14:20Absolutely not.
14:22I don't believe they could have done more.
14:24I think the amount of money that Europe has put in, more than the United States,
14:29and the amount of talks, time given to talks, preparation given for talks and leading out,
14:36they couldn't have done any more.
14:38I think they have ramped up and reacted with regards to the commitment of the member states
14:41to their military spend, to their defense spend.
14:45I don't think with 27 member states who have very different constitutional setups and structures,
14:51I don't see how Europe could have done more.
14:53Are we perfect?
14:54Of course not.
14:55I'm not suggesting that.
14:56But sorry, this is in real time, Maeve.
14:58But certainly not enough has been done, Cynthia, if we're entering the fourth winter of war.
15:02Ursula van der Leyen, and I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Ursula van der Leyen or President van der Leyen,
15:07but Ursula van der Leyen has reacted as swiftly as she can to a devastating new geopolitical situation
15:14that Christian has referred to, which is no support anymore from Europe.
15:17Stand on your own two feet.
15:19Get on with it.
15:20Would you agree with Cynthia?
15:22Up to a point, yes.
15:22But I think the EU could have done more sooner.
15:26Because now we have the 19th package of sanctions, you know.
15:29Many of these sanctions could have been done right at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine.
15:34by Russia, on top of that, we could have, you know, cut their finances.
15:38You know, even right now, for example, the transportation corridors, for example, from Central Asia and China,
15:44all the goods that are coming to Europe, they are still coming through Russia, which is absurd.
15:48So on one side, you're claiming, and rightfully so, that Russia declared war to Europe.
15:53On the other side, you do business with them.
15:54It doesn't make any sense.
15:55This is what I'm calling on public officials, you know, to be correct and to be straightforward with the population,
16:03because it's the only way to be able to properly defend from this kind of attacks.
16:08And briefly, what leverage do the Europeans have over President Trump, for example,
16:12who seems to trust the Russians more than he does the EU?
16:15I think the leverage that we have over the United States is to show the United States
16:19that we have heard the message loud and proud for President Trump.
16:22We are standing on our own two feet, and we do have a plan.
16:25But Christian is right.
16:26There can be certainly a ramping up, particularly in relation to, excuse me, the financial sanctions,
16:33a ramp up of that, instead of having so many talks about talks.
16:37Now, bearing in mind that countries, some countries in Europe are more adversely affected
16:41if we do impose the trading sanctions.
16:43So we have to be careful that we don't create another crisis.
16:46But you're quite right.
16:47Perhaps more could be done in that regard.
16:49But with regards to America, I think Christian is right.
16:52We have to stand up with a powerful voice.
16:54Kaia Kallis is doing that.
16:55She's doing it in a feminine way, which obviously juxtaposes against President Trump,
17:00who's calling journalist Miss Piggy on Air Force One.
17:03But at the same time, I would prefer to have her leadership rather than the likes of what
17:08we're seeing across the pond.
17:09Cynthia, we're a big fan there of Kaia Kallis.
17:12Look, we've heard some points of view from our MEPs here.
17:14And now I would like to bring in another voice.
17:21And I'd like to bring in the voice of Ben Hodges,
17:23the former commanding general of the U.S. Army Europe, speaking to me earlier here on
17:28Euronews.
17:29He said the U.S. really sees Europe as inconsequential, except maybe for some business purposes.
17:35Europe, he said, is slowly waking to the realization that they cannot count on the U.S.
17:40to be a fair interlocutor here.
17:43Christian, are we inconsequential?
17:45Up to a point, yes.
17:47He said we're fourth on the list of the priorities of the Americans.
17:49Yes, because for so many years, we allowed ourselves to be fourth on their list.
17:56Trump said when he was asked recently or a few months ago, what is his position on Ukraine
18:01and how U.S. is going to react to what is happening there?
18:04He said, you know, there are two oceans between U.S. and Russia, which geographically is correct.
18:08There are two oceans, Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.
18:11It should be us, the Europeans, the driving force of the peace deal in Ukraine.
18:17And we are not right now because we talk too much and we act soft.
18:22Russia, this is the important.
18:23Look, every time when Putin speaks, he makes reference to certain historical events.
18:29Russia developed a technique to twist historical events to their favor.
18:33And they use that in a way to shape the narrative and to influence the population.
18:39We come with this, sometimes tough talks, but with soft actions.
18:44And we speak and we talk publicly about immediate consequences.
18:50Let's do something right now.
18:51They have the time to wait.
18:52And then when they make any reference to history, they twist what happened in the past.
18:57Can I just say, Trump has forgotten that he's got a major trading bloc and he's got major economic ties to Europe.
19:03And he's kind of forgotten about that because he's speed dating China and he's speed dating Putin.
19:09But he's after finding out now, he's after sending Jared Kushner, his son-in-law,
19:13and he's after sending Steve Widkoff and so forth.
19:16And they're after being given, as we say in Ireland, the bums rush, the shut door.
19:20They're gone now.
19:21And their proposals about more business ties between America and Russia have come to zero, zero.
19:26And now Trump is going to think, hmm, we do have an awful lot of dependency in terms of our business benefits from Europe.
19:34And interesting this week as well, NATO foreign ministers gathered in Brussels without the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, around the table.
19:40A very unusual move.
19:42But on that point, we can close this conversation to take a very short break here on The Ring.
19:46But do stay with us because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the heart of the European Parliament.
19:56Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debating show broadcasting from the European Parliament here in Brussels.
20:09I'm joined by the MEPs Cynthia Niwerku from Renew Europe and Christian Teres from the European Conservatives and Reformists.
20:15And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to your very couch.
20:19So, what about you? How do you feel about the war in Ukraine? Has the EU done enough?
20:25And would you be willing to fight if Russia invaded your country or another EU member state?
20:30Well, Euronews' reporters talk to the streets of Athens, Madrid, Bucharest and Warsaw to find out. Take a look.
20:36Because of the rights of my family. I don't want to leave my family there.
20:45I think we should fight as a country, to be in the same way.
20:48Because as a group, I wouldn't have taken the fight.
20:53I always fight for my country, of course.
20:55I think it's a honor to be killed by my country.
20:59So, of course, I died by my country. It's a shame.
21:02C'est une peine que nous devons penser à ce type de formation.
21:06Nous vivons en Europe très bien.
21:09Et peut-être que nous devons nous donner le dos de pecho.
21:12Mais je pense qu'avant que nous, nous devons les jeunes.
21:15Nous avons déjà une âge.
21:16Oui, oui.
21:17J'ai même dit ce année, j'ai besoin d'être un réserviste.
21:20Mais si j'avais une mille, j'aurais aimé.
21:22Oui, c'est pour l'Eglise.
21:24Je ne veux pas arrêter mon vie dans une autre pays.
21:27C'est intéressant, c'est de voir comment beaucoup de gens ont dit qu'ils sont heureux de mourir pour leur pays, Christian.
21:33Mais nous n'avons pas à ce point où quelqu'un doit mourir physiquement.
21:36La guerre est le dernier ressort.
21:38Quand vous allez à la guerre, c'est la collapse de la diplomatie.
21:42Donc, pour éviter la guerre, nous devons préparer pour la guerre.
21:46Tout le monde parle maintenant et comprends pourquoi ils sont peur ou insupportables d'aller à la guerre.
21:51Mais c'est le dernier ressort.
21:53Nous devons préparer avec toutes ces choses avant cela.
21:56Je vous disais, si vous êtes fort et que vous projectez de pouvoir,
22:00Russia ne va pas attacher vous.
22:01Russia est comme une guerre.
22:02Une guerre qui va attacher une une autre animale.
22:05C'est ce qui est dans les mains, c'est ce que vous pensez, Cynthia Newericou ?
22:07En Ireland, par exemple ?
22:08Oui, c'est ce qui est loin.
22:09Je ne sais pas, c'est ce qui est dans l'Ire.
22:10C'est ce qui est dans l'Ire, c'est ce qui est dans l'Ire.
22:11C'est ce qui est dans l'Ire.
22:12C'est ce qui est dans l'Ire, c'est ce qui est dans l'Ire.
22:14C'est ce qui est dans l'Ire, c'est la différence, la diversité.
22:16Mais on doit avoir inclusivité.
22:17Pour moi, Europe est full de diversité, inclusivité et libérale values.
22:20C'est ce qui peut être différent pour Christian's party.
22:22Mais on a set ça aside,
22:24c'est que nous, les représentants de l'Ire,
22:27nous devons parler à nos votants
22:29dans une très raisonnable, informative, intelligente façon
22:33sur le fait que militarisation ne signifie pas une armée européenne.
22:37Ne signifie pas la destruction de l'Ire.
22:39Ne signifie pas l'Ire.
22:40Ne signifie pas l'Ire.
22:41Ne signifie pas les choses à différents pays.
22:44Mais il doit y avoir une unité entre Europe
22:48en relation à la protection de l'Europe
22:51et de la fortress de l'Europe.
22:52Mais ce n'est pas un capital F.
22:54Et nous nous devons parler de l'Ire.
22:55Donc, ce qui est, Cynthia, vous avez obtenu
22:56si vous avieziez de parler à l'Ire.
22:58Oh, je pense que l'Ire en Irène serait
23:00que les gens sont très, très afraid
23:02de la militarisation
23:04qui détendent notre neutralité,
23:06qui détendent notre façon,
23:08car c'est très duré.
23:09Et, of course, c'est dans notre constitution.
23:11Donc, c'est différent pour chaque pays.
23:13C'est très difficile de être critiquer de l'EU
23:15en termes de ses négociations
23:17et de ses sanctions et donc,
23:18mais nous avons un travail à faire aussi.
23:20Il n'est pas tout à l'heure
23:21de l'Europe.
23:22Donc, il n'y a pas de l'Ere.
23:23Donc, il n'y a pas de l'Ere.
23:24Il n'y a pas de l'Ere.
23:25Et ils n'ont pas de l'Ere.
23:26C'est l'Ere.
23:27C'est l'Ere.
23:28C'est l'Ere.
23:29C'est l'Ere.
23:30C'est un bon projet.
23:31Mais on doit revenir à la narrative.
23:33Il qui a fait la argument
23:34wins le débat.
23:35Le débat.
23:36Il y a la débat.
23:37Il y a la débat.
23:38Il y a la débat.
23:40Il y a la débat.
23:41La narrative en Moscou
23:42est que nous voulons.
23:44Donc, nous ne parlons plus
23:45dans l'Europe
23:46ni en D.C.
23:47de la débat.
23:48C'est l'Ere.
23:49Nous n'avons pas commencé.
23:50Nous étions attraper.
23:51Nous n'avons pas.
23:52Nous parlons toujours de la débat.
23:53Donc,
23:54Putin sait ça.
23:55Il y a la débat.
23:56Il y a la débat.
23:57Il s'agit de plus.
23:58Il veut plus.
23:59Il veut plus.
24:00Il veut plus.
24:01Il veut plus.
24:02Il veut plus.
24:03Il veut plus.
24:04Si vous donnez l'eau en place
24:05pour la paix,
24:06demain vous aurez une autre guerre
24:07pour plus.
24:08Ils peuvent prendre plus de l'eau
24:09pour la paix.
24:10Je suis dans une débatte de débatte.
24:12C'est l'Ere.
24:13Je l'ai vu dans la débatte.
24:14La première billeure en Russie.
24:17Une fois que tu passes la pointe,
24:19c'est la victoire.
24:20L'Ere.
24:21leur mindset,
24:22dès la jeune âge,
24:23les enfants de Russie
24:24sont étudiés
24:25pour gagner cette guerre
24:26contre l'Ouest.
24:27Ce n'est pas la guerre
24:28qui s'est passé en 2014
24:29ou en 2008.
24:30Ça s'est passé plus tard
24:32que si nous ne changeons
24:33notre mindset
24:34pour comprendre
24:35qu'on l'autre côté,
24:36il n'est pas même
24:37l'autre côté du tableau
24:38parce qu'il n'est pas
24:39l'autre côté du tableau.
24:40L'autre côté du battlefield
24:41c'est un opponent
24:42qui veut vous faire
24:44vous faire.
24:45Vous n'allez pas pouvoir
24:46gagner cette guerre.
24:47Je vais utiliser
24:48exactement la même narrative
24:49que Ronald Reagan
24:50nous demandons
24:52comment la guerre
24:53va finir.
24:54Nous voulons,
24:55nous voulons.
24:56Nous pouvons
24:57et nous allons
24:58à la fin du round.
25:03Nos guest MEPs
25:04sont seulement
25:05à répondre à mon question
25:06avec une réponse
25:07et une réponse
25:08est-elle ?
25:09C'est-ce que ça ?
25:10C'est-ce que ça ?
25:11C'est-ce que ça ?
25:12C'est-ce que ça ?
25:13C'est-ce que ça ?
25:14C'est-ce que ça ?
25:15C'est-ce que ça ?
25:17Adire que c'est-ce que ça ?
25:18C'est-ce que ça ?
25:19C'est-ce que ça ?
25:20C'est-ce que ça ?
25:21Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
25:51Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
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27:23Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
27:25Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
27:27Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
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