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TeleSUR’s Jorge Gestoso interviews Rixi Moncada, the presidential candidate of the left-wing Liberty and Refoundation Party of Honduras, who claims to have been subject of an electoral coup orchestrated by the right-wing and U.S. President Donald Trump. teleSUR
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00:00Hi, this is Jorge Estoso from Tegucigalpa. Tonight we have the honor to have the presence of the
00:15presidential candidate of the ruling Libre Party, Rizzi Moncada. Rizzi Moncada, a warm
00:22welcome to our program. Thank you very much. Good evening everyone. Miss Moncada, your textual
00:29words. I reiterate my denunciation of a foreign interference by the President of
00:34the United States, Donald Trump. In the electoral process, with the interference
00:41of Donald Trump and his partner, Juan Orlando Hernández, the desperate
00:46bipartisanship imposes an electoral coup against me. Has this been an electoral coup?
00:52Totally. An electoral coup that is underway. Three straightforward messages from the
01:00President of the United States. Practical against me. Against my proposal. But with an additional
01:12component, freeing from jail former President Juan Orlando Hernández, who was sentenced by
01:21the U.S. Justice System to 45 years in prison for trafficking more than 400 tons of cocaine
01:28into the United States. In the framework of the general elections, to define a new government.
01:39It is an ongoing electoral coup. And you, regarding what has been happening, have also said that
01:47the elections are not yet lost. Bipartisanship imposed its electoral plot on us, a trap in the transmission
01:55of the elections. And you say that this is a sinister plan of bipartisanship. And the question
02:02is, didn't you see it come? Of course. And it was denounced. Remember that Honduras began the
02:11process of reconstruction of institutionality after the 2009 coup. A coup took place here. And that
02:22coup was also sponsored with a very high level of interference by the United States. We have
02:29a history of violent coups. Here a president was removed in 2009 by force of arms. There was
02:36foreign participation. And now this electoral coup that is underway. Of course we saw it coming.
02:43And it was denounced in its time. And I ratify that I do not accept the system of transmission
02:51of the results. Because it is a treacherous flawed system that carries within mechanisms that
02:59do not allow for a transparent, free and democratic election. And if on top of it we add that
03:06interference, that interference that violates all international protocols, all international
03:11laws, the democratic charter of the OAS, the agreements that states and nations have signed
03:16to respect principles. That by using social media platforms, the president of the United States
03:26sends three messages saying, don't vote for candidate Moncada. I can't work with her. She's a communist.
03:35It is an intervention. It is a brutal, direct interference that affects the interests of the Honduran people.
03:42The vote counting, this process has been extremely slow, to put it in some way. And there you have
03:49also said, and I quote, let's keep up the fight until the end of the counting. The elections
03:56are not lost. And from there the question, when all the votes are counted, are you willing
04:03to accept the results?
04:05I am always willing to respect the popular will of the Honduran people. But when we have a transmission
04:14system where the results of each polling station are sent, and when we found out that on the night of the election,
04:233,300 or more presidential level tally sheets that had electoral results were trapped in the system and were
04:34not published, and then a preliminary result is shared. And when we find out that thousands of tally sheets did not go
04:46through the system of biometrics, of verification of the voter's identity.
04:51Through, for example, the fingerprints.
04:55Yes, through fingerprints. And that that decision is taken by bipartisanship within the electoral body, then there is no doubt
05:03about those strategies in the transmission system of the results that configure a real tampering, a trap, a trap for the effect of undermining the popular will.
05:15I repeat the question.
05:16And that is why I am up for the fight. And I remain up for the fight, together with the people who went to the polling stations to cast the vote for me.
05:26So, I repeat the question. Once all the results are published, will you accept them?
05:32I will accept the results that are in the 100% of the tally sheets that we receive in our party system, once they are confirmed
05:42against the data that the National Electoral Council has. It has no credibility, the transmission system, in none of the three
05:49electoral levels, because it will be like a short program if we sit here to narrate each of the technical and operational
05:59details that we have been discovering little by little in the course of the election hours.
06:04A fact also for the people who sees us outside of Honduras, and that is that the first thing that is published on the night of the election,
06:14once the ballot boxes are closed, is an exit poll. And in that exit poll, shows you in first place, with 37% of the votes,
06:2532% goes to Mr. Nasruala, and 26% to Mr. Nasri Asfura. That is a 7 point difference of you leading, practically 11 point difference
06:39with the third place. And suddenly, the first results appear, these preliminary results, which have nothing to do with that.
06:48How did you react when you saw that difference?
06:52The impact is more than that, because throughout the month of November, we kept our position with the vote in favor of the different
07:04service we conducted. We have our own service. But hours before the elections, the first message from the President of the United States came out.
07:1472 hours before?
07:16Yes, to be more precise, 72 hours before. And he says she is a communist, don't vote for her. But it wasn't only that.
07:23Sorry, and he adds that Mr. Nasruala, no, Mr. Asfura, sorry, is a representative of democracy and freedom.
07:31And that he is his candidate, and that you have to vote for him. But that did not come on its own.
07:36That came, and so that people, especially throughout the region, understand it, it came along with millions of messages
07:43that were sent to people's phones, saying that if Rixi Mancara wins the elections, the remittances for the month of December will not arrive.
07:56Honduras has approximately 2.5 million people who receive remittances from the United States.
08:03Extortion.
08:05It is an extortion, coercion, blackmail, a mechanism of interference, which in my opinion, is a platform that they are testing in Honduras to see what the results is.
08:18Especially because we are still holding elections in Latin America. Chile is next, Colombia is coming up soon.
08:25You never imagine it?
08:26Never. And it is the first time. A mechanism of interference of that magnitude is the first time.
08:33So I am not only facing the oligarchy here. It is not only the two candidates. My proposal to democratize the economy, that everyone pays taxes, to put an end to the privileges of a power group in this country, is not just my proposal.
08:52It is to the benefit of the social sectors that have also been affected, especially after the coup d'etat.
09:04So it is also that. It is not only the two candidates. I face that oligarchy in my proposal and the direct interference of President Donald Trump of the United States.
09:12None of the United States people, okay? Because there are United States people are in critical conditions, especially all drug users, and the false fight of President Trump against drugs, especially in the region.
09:28And there we have a question I want to ask you. The organization called Inside Crime says, and I quote,
09:37When candidates do not have the support of business leaders or other legal funding sources, they use money from drug trafficking. Was this campaign financed by drug trafficking?
09:50I imagine that you will be referring to bipartisanship, because it is the one that has foolproof with the conviction of more than 50 politicians, businessmen, deputies,
10:06convicted in the United States by the American justice systems, including former President Juan Orlando Hernandez.
10:15They were convicted in the United States, and the week of the elections, President Donald Trump gave them a pardon.
10:24He was convicted for 45 years. One does not explain how a judicial system can be destroyed like that.
10:31A decision against a drug lord accused of introducing more than 400 tons of cocaine to the United States.
10:38To be given forgiveness within the framework of an election is really a blow that is not understood.
10:50What is the policy that follows? It is a policy of interest and nothing else. It has nothing to do with justice, with democracy, with transparency, or with the fight against drug trafficking.
11:02It has nothing to do with that.
11:05Now, you mentioned that it is proven, or at least there is a great suspicion, that drug trafficking has financed, for example, what they call bipartisanship.
11:17Let's go...
11:18Without a doubt. Without a doubt. The evidence is in the United States.
11:22Let's go a step further. What do you say to those in a completely speculative field suspect that in reality this election has been a testing ground between groups of drug traffickers or drug cartels who twist their arms more through economic power to the vote.
11:43And we have that also, it could also spill over or by extension lead to the release of Juan Orlando Hernandez.
11:54That there is funding for drug trafficking? Surely. We have had it in the past and there is evidence. Why should we doubt it?
12:01Here there are complete municipalities that have been proven to have been financed with money from drug trafficking, from bipartisanship.
12:12That was 12 years, 7 months, and that the United States tolerated after the coup. And they knew it was a mafia that was linked to drug cartels.
12:21There were 12 years, 7 months, and immediately after the Libre Party won with President Xiomara Castro, that same day of the inauguration, they were presenting an accusation against Juan Orlando Hernandez in the United States.
12:37And also, for the public that is not familiar, this is a president, Juan Orlando Hernandez, who governed for four years and is re-elected when the Constitution prevents the re-election and he stays in government for eight years.
12:52I think, yes, that's right. But I think people know. Because in one of my many professional labor tours to one of the countries in Europe, when I said I was from Honduras, they told me,
13:09Oh, you are from the country where your president was taken to the United States for being a drug trafficker. Exactly, I told them. I mean, it was shocking news because a president who was performing drug activity and that was allowed, thanks to the evidence that was taken, and that is the product of a whole investigation that the party he represented was named as a criminal organization.
13:38You face what, there is consensus in the country, which is a country managed by 10 families and 25 economic groups. But my question, my question is, apparently not only that aspect of the economy, you also face national electoral council, that in principle, the three main leaders represent each of the main parties.
14:03Yours plus the liberal one plus the national one. And in that case, at least you have the suspicion that they were not independent and transparent judges.
14:16I don't have the suspicion, I'm sure. And that is a topic that we have been carrying since the Cube Detat.
14:24By whom?
14:25For the United States, mainly because there are many interests behind them. There are many interests. Here is a well-established oligarchy that has tax benefits, that does not pay taxes, that controls the country's economy, that has and exerts a monopoly, not only economic but also commercial. And they are those that are directly linked with the economy of the United States.
14:53So, of course, those interests are those that have been imposed. And I face those interests. But basically, what it has to do with the region, since historical times, since the banana enclaves, tutelary democracies, a series of Cube Detat, and now, of course, bipartisanship.
15:15After the Cube maneuvering in the National Electoral Council, they are not impartial. They are not impartial judges.
15:22Also, the rival of President Daniela Boa in Ecuador, Luisa Gonzalez, also, she also denounced the greatest fraud in the history of Ecuador in the last election. And she says, here the court is titled. And the court is titled because precisely this media power, this economic power, the financial power practically handles the key pillars of the country.
15:40The court has been tilted in this country for 130 years of bipartisanship. The court has been tilted in this country for 130 years of bipartisanship. But 2009 marked with the coup that had one more inclination.
15:52And after all that time, there were frauds in 2013 and 2017 with different schemes. And it was also imposed on those frauds to that president that the United States was doing.
16:10And then absolves and then absolves. And then absolves. And then in the play field for 2021. It is one of the most transparent elections in Honduras history. Now, 2025, the court is not tilled. The court is not tilled. The court is not tilled.
16:40It is tilled and with holes. And with holes. And that is election we are facing. That is the electoral trap that is set in motion.
16:49Did you know that it was like this? Totally. In that case, how did you decide to take on the challenge?
16:57Those are the challenges. And those are the struggles that we must give the peoples in a permanent way, not only in Honduras, but in the whole region.
17:08There are important liberation processes with an accumulation of consciousness. For me, the two year campaign has been an extraordinary political campaign.
17:17What did you learn? It has allowed me to travel the country to understand the different behaviors, to be closer to the people in regions that I didn't know before.
17:33That I knew only from the past. The campaign has been an extraordinary campaign. Beautiful, cheerful. The people who went and vote for me are votes of gold that I appreciate.
17:48That they are there because with all the interference, with all the interventionists, including this one of 72 hours before the election, announcing that candidate Moncala is a communist, even with that people went to the ballot box.
18:03And that vote of the people for me is sacred. When they opened the ballot box, they saw my picture and marked it. That's wonderful. That's commitment. I am committed to my people who went to the ballot box.
18:16To the people in general, who are victims of these policies that have an impact on each of their lives.
18:23You say precisely, in regards, out of respect to that people, that you will be moving all the gears, all the possible mechanisms, even legal ones, from here until December 30th, when the results of the presidential election will be officially announced.
18:42What mechanisms are we talking about?
18:45All the available ones.
18:46For example?
18:47At the technical level, at the legal level, all the possible mechanisms.
18:53At the political level, listening to the people, what the people are saying, what are thinking in the different regions, how they are receiving and processing and administering all this process of general scrutiny.
19:07And how we are visualizing the appearance of the two candidates that the oligarchy had under different interventions, because there is a conflict there.
19:17I think the numbers don't match. One wins, the other wins, the numbers don't match.
19:23Now, in the case precisely of the actions that you are going to take, how do you think that, for example, the international community, even social movements are going to be reacting or are they already doing so?
19:37I, in the international community, will start with your servers, with the missions, the immense mission of the Organization of American States.
19:49I don't know that until now it has been, they have pronounced about the interference of the President of the United States in their reports.
19:57If they were looking the other way, it would be ignoring the democratic charter of the Organization and the documents and the entire international structure that sustains the principles of respect for sovereignty, independence, self-determination of peoples, the mission of the European Union.
20:18I think that interference 72 hours before an election in such a direct way and using a digital platform cannot go unnoticed for a mission of electoral observation of the European Union.
20:39So I will wait for their remarks because it is about how we build relations and how we build democratic systems so that they don't become an entelechy and how we communicate with our peoples and make them feel confidence and legitimacy in the decisions that are being made.
20:57I will wait for their pronouncements.
21:00You were talking about how to speak with our peoples. Tell us how the, in that scheme, how the 10 families and the 25 economic groups that manage this country, how the hegemonic media, the private media, does the majority of the Honduran people see every day?
21:16Like they work in almost the entire region.
21:21When I talk about monopoly, economic control, political control to two parties for 130 years, I link this to the levels of poverty.
21:36Eight out of 10 Hondurans are in extreme poverty.
21:41Everything is related, everything is linked.
21:44So the corporate media are also monopolized.
21:49They also belong to the same 25 groups and the 10 families.
21:54They pay a very low fee for the use of the radioelectric spectrum.
22:00They are constituted to defend public liberties, but in reality they defend the interests of the same oligarchy group that monopolizes the economy and also monopolizes.
22:10politics.
22:11And a civil rights activist in the United States at that time, Martin Luther King, I'm talking about Malcolm X, has a phrase that says the media or the press is the most powerful weapon on the planet because it states, he states back then, it is capable of making the guilty innocent and the innocent guilty and concludes.
22:35And that is power because it manipulates the minds of the masses.
22:40Here, in this election, was there manipulation of the minds of the masses?
22:44Totally.
22:45Absolutely.
22:46Absolutely.
22:47There was manipulation.
22:49When you send a message for millions, using all the media to the cell phones of each family and you say, if you vote for the lawyer Mercado, your remittances would not arrive in the month of December.
23:07There is manipulation.
23:08Now, it is even easier because he can't arrive in a personalized way to the cell phone of each family, of each person.
23:18Again.
23:19There is manipulation.
23:20A principle that is happening.
23:21That is to say, in the end, what we have here is an asymmetry in Honduras, but in our Latin American region, which is practically like rowing against the current, against the tide.
23:37That is what we have in the whole region, the most unequal region in the world.
23:44According the United Nations.
23:46It is not for nothing.
23:48If we are the most unequal region in the world, and if we know that at least 52% of the wealth of the great, powerful comes from common goods, come from the natural resources of the nations, then it is easy to understand why these oligarchies and these groups of power have international backing.
24:11And why they maintain control and they, and their own political parties, the media.
24:20And the minds of the masses.
24:22They manipulate the mind of the masses.
24:24Now, also going over great headlines and great strokes of what was these four years of government of President Xiomara Castro, of the liberal party, your party, you presented yourself as the heir, let's say, of that philosophy and that ideology.
24:43Here we are talking about, in a period of four years of having removed practically one million people from poverty, where the issue of health, construction of many hospitals, the recovery or repair of numerous schools that were abandoned before.
25:01Thousands of schools.
25:02Thousands of schools, improvements in the quality of life, even that disparity, diminished in an important representative way.
25:14This is a capital scene for the great capital.
25:18I think that that is, that example that we had in this almost four years of government, that it is possible the development and transformation of the country, applying social policies, that it is possible the economic growth if we exercise public function also in a decent way.
25:40If we have relations with the whole world and if we open the country to the whole world in those relations of solidarity and complementarity, that it is what has been the scene because they don't want monopolies to be broken and the oligopolies then operate, especially at the commercial level, at the level of the economy, at the level of the financial system.
26:07They don't care.
26:10They don't care.
26:11They don't care.
26:12They don't care.
26:13There are 130 years of history of bipartisanship exercising the political power of the nation in this country.
26:19And we have a society of 10 million inhabitants with eight out of 10 living in extreme poverty.
26:26And it is not because of lack of resources.
26:28Honduras is a country with more than 600 kilometers in the Caribbean.
26:33along the sea.
26:38And we have the sea in the Pacific.
26:41We have great conditions in terms of natural resources with thousands of hectares of forest wealth in mines.
26:49So we have natural resources.
26:51Why do the people are so poor?
26:53What are the investments?
26:55Well, my proposal was towards the deepening of the reform, of the transformation of the state and the society, democratizing the economy, giving access to resources to the people who today pay them more than anyone.
27:13Is to say you were talking, for example, about free health care and free education.
27:17Beyond that, I was talking about deprivatizing the more than 600 billion lempiras that are in the national private bank.
27:27In the national private bank.
27:30And that today, more than 40% of them are lent to the same economic groups that exercise.
27:36Correct me if I'm wrong.
27:39You're saying there is money from the state that the state lends to private entities to use for their own interest.
27:48There is money from the Honduran people, not from the state.
27:51It is the money of the Honduran people that the state must guard, that is in the private bank, and that is lent directly to its related group, to its group of interest, which economy can advance, which society can advance like that.
28:05My proposal is a humanist and justice proposal, and people understood it.
28:09A capital sin.
28:11Well, capital sin against that tiny group that holds the real power in Honduras.
28:18That structure, which is the same structure that gave the coup d'etat.
28:22It's the same structure that held for 12 years and 7 months the president condemned for drug trafficking in the United States.
28:29A coup d'etat before, and an electoral coup now.
28:33On the move, ongoing, an electoral coup now ongoing, with the intervention again of the president of the United States.
28:41And you have, as a consequence of this disparity, or that concentration of wealth, a serious problem, which is migration. Tell us.
28:50Well, I think that migration will continue to be provoked by the same policies, to be caused by the same policies.
29:03People leave the country, and they leave not because they want to leave their families behind.
29:07They leave because of the conditions, looking for an opportunity.
29:12Because here, everything is taken.
29:16Here, a privatization policy was applied where the goods of the state were given to those same groups of power.
29:22Today, same elites.
29:23And that is what we face.
29:25It is very simple.
29:26We face an elite that one does not want to pay taxes because they are exonerated.
29:32The same former president, Juan Orlando, was exonerated from paying taxes.
29:37So we face a strong group economically, which has the wealth control.
29:41And that causes migrations.
29:43It causes poverty.
29:45And when it happens, for example, that you turn on the TV, and talk from the north, that
29:54our migrants, including Hondurans, go there to steal jobs, fill hospitals, fill schools.
30:02They are criminals.
30:03They are rapists.
30:05They are rapists.
30:06Is it not perverse to think that, in reality, the conditions created by those who represent
30:12those interests at the political level are, let's say, their executors, they are put by them.
30:24They allow that.
30:26They are generating what many call modern slavery.
30:31Without a doubt, it is modern slavery.
30:35It is a mechanism of exploitation.
30:39It is a mechanism of sacrifice of our people, of our families.
30:46And that aspect is what motivates me to remain firm and unwavering in this political struggle.
30:54Does it hurt you?
30:56In which I believe we, the citizens of this country, have a responsibility.
31:03Of course, it hurts me.
31:06It affects me.
31:08I mean, any sensitive person will have to be very hard-hearted person so that it does not
31:13affect them.
31:14But it seems that there are many.
31:17I don't think there are many.
31:18There are a few.
31:19Many that decide.
31:20And those who decide are the few.
31:23The strongest point is, in some way, in this context, the interference.
31:30We are then, as you were saying, an electro-cool that is ongoing.
31:35In progress.
31:37That is ongoing.
31:39Ongoing.
31:40Then, what are the next steps that you are going to take regarding this situation?
31:46Are you going to denounce it?
31:47What are you going to do?
31:48Where are you going to do it?
31:49What do you have in your mind?
31:51Well, on international television, I will be wrong to announce the next steps.
31:57I thought we had something, a breaking news here.
32:01We are going to evaluate, little by little.
32:04For now, we are in the technical analysis and carrying out the sequences of the National
32:08Electoral Council, and of course, denouncing the inconsistencies.
32:11Look, Jorge.
32:13We have proved throughout history, since the birth of the party, that we are a highly democratic
32:19party.
32:22Extremely democratic.
32:24Extremely participatory.
32:27And we are in consultation with all our people, also at the national level, to get
32:33the full picture of everything that has happened in each of the areas.
32:40And when I talk about defense and that this is not over, that this has not ended, this story,
32:46we are taking it step by step, and there are measures to be implemented and actions to be executed.
32:51It must be in every sense.
32:53People are out there claiming and at the national level.
32:58These are actions of political nature, of course, technical, legal, regardless of whether the
33:04electoral bodies are in the hands of bipartisanship, and we have a disadvantage there.
33:12Because the majority, as you said at the beginning, the field is tilted, and now it has holes, and
33:21also with a strong supreme interference, never seen in history.
33:25This is the first time that a president of the United States sends a direct message saying,
33:30you must vote for such candidate, because with him is with whom I am going to work.
33:37As if Honduras were a colony, that is violating national sovereignty.
33:44And here those groups say absolutely nothing, but take advantage of that type of message.
33:49That they are the administrators of the colony?
33:51They are, practically.
33:53So this is still the backyard, or as President Phil Castro said, that the OAS was the Ministry of the Colonies.
34:01I hope that the OAS mission says something about that direct interference.
34:08They will do wrong if they don't do it, because once again they would assassinate the Democratic Charter.
34:14What is it that you have learned the most from this experience, this challenge that you have launched?
34:24I have found hypothesis so far. I have confirmed hypothesis. I have simply confirmed hypothesis.
34:31Remember that we leave the coup d'etat also in a direct way, together with President Manuel Zelaya.
34:39In 2009, President Zelaya, in June 2009, was hit by a very grotesque coup d'etat that ended in Costa Rica.
34:51The plane that was supposed to go south in Costa Rica, nevertheless leaves the airport here in Tegucigapa
34:57and goes north to the base of Palmerola, supposedly to put fuel.
35:04It was never known if that base we see shared with the United States had something to do with it or not.
35:10But...
35:11But there is no doubt about that, Jorge.
35:13You have no doubt.
35:14No, no.
35:15You know about it.
35:16Of course.
35:17You know who was in it.
35:19And did President Zelaya know?
35:21They can never have ignored everything that happened.
35:23The plane landed in Palmerola.
35:27It was impossible for them not to know.
35:31Today, that material author, the head of the general staff, is on the run.
35:35It was impossible for them not to know.
35:37And two years later, the Liberty and Refoundation party is founded.
35:44And you all are a founding member.
35:47I am a founding member of this powerful party, Liberty and Refoundation, which for the fourth
35:55time in a row participates in an electoral process with this entire structure at a national
36:01level.
36:02It is an organized united party.
36:05And I take this opportunity to tell our people that we remain in battle, in full battle, to
36:14express my deep gratitude for their participation and to tell them, as an organization, we must
36:22stay together.
36:23Regardless of the result, at least one thing is certain.
36:27At this point, there is no doubt that you have obtained hundreds of thousands of votes.
36:33If we see the glass half full, it means that there is a strong message about your vision
36:39and your proposal.
36:40Of course.
36:41And that strong message will grow.
36:46That strong message, I am sure, will continue to grow.
36:50With you?
36:52With the party and its structures.
36:54And with you too?
36:55There is a general coordination, of course.
36:58So you will continue?
36:59Of course, of course.
37:00There is a general coordination.
37:02There are leaders in the 18 departments of the country.
37:06The party has a very strong and very conscious structure and has shown it in this election,
37:11in the ballot boxes.
37:13Because with all that interference, it has gone to the ballot box to vote.
37:17So our struggle continues, it is permanent, our dreams, our aspirations, the youth that gave
37:22themselves up throughout the campaign process, that accompany us at the national level.
37:28It is our whole gratitude and also our call to remain firm in this battle that is just starting.
37:34It is a new stage.
37:37It means optimism reigns.
37:38Of course, optimism reigns.
37:40This is just a new stage.
37:42Now, what can be done then to try to modify, I would not say change, but perhaps modify those
37:49asymmetries, that is to fight political parties that at least, there are at least suspicions
37:56that drug trafficking is flirting with a structure of the national electoral council where transparency
38:06does not necessarily shine.
38:08It means all that has to be, we have to try to focus towards the next election.
38:18Let's say, I mean, in this country, as in all countries, people know it, that when there
38:28is a cube, there is a destruction of the institutionality.
38:33The nationality is completely broken and what happens when there is a cube, a coup d'etat,
38:38usually, and how a society is restructured, it is always through a national assembly, a
38:47constituent national assembly, a consultation with the sovereign, the titular of sovereignty
38:52to the people.
38:53This process did not happen here.
38:56We entered into a series of actions.
39:00There was an agreement of reconciliation.
39:03President Zelaya was able to return to the country, but here, in association, it was
39:07completely destroyed.
39:09And what happened in those 12 years and seven months after the coup d'etat is that a
39:14narco dictatorship was established, which today has more than 50 convicts in the United States.
39:20The state of Honduras was taken out.
39:23In other words, the coup plotters went and took their boot.
39:28It is a sin to tell them that.
39:30They don't like to hear that, but it is the reality.
39:33They took their boots.
39:34They became institutions.
39:36They became the resources of the state's unique box.
39:39President Xiomara has initiated a reorganization process of the state in these four years.
39:46To initiate the lifting of our institutions.
39:49Because here, who is in its best interest to have weak institutions?
39:54To that same group.
39:55Because they manipulate them.
39:56They can control them.
39:58The last question, the last message.
40:03We are talking about an experience of an ongoing electrocute.
40:10Yes.
40:11It is currently in progress.
40:14What message then, for those who listen to us, and for the case, for example, of Lisa
40:19Gonzalez, who suffer similar circumstances, at least, that are quite similar, and for others
40:26who sees us in Latin America, who are willing to face with the courage that you have faced
40:33this, what's the message?
40:36What message?
40:39That they don't give up.
40:41Resistance, comrades, in Honduras and in Latin America as a whole.
40:44Permanent resistance.
40:46Unyielding in our fight for justice, for the defense of humanity, of the humanity's rights,
40:51of its values, of its conditions, so that people live in a better way.
41:01That's a life struggle, Jorge.
41:04It's not like four years of an electoral progress and then we are leaving.
41:08No.
41:09It's permanent resistance.
41:11Risi Moncada, thank you very much for being with us.
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