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00:00There was days they printed two million records a day, some days two million records a day.
00:12To be absolutely honest with you, if it had been left solely up to me, the power would never have
00:18been released. I was balled up. I started crying. Honestly, I started crying and I was like,
00:25that's not fair. He beat up eight drag queens at an important AIDS benefit. That is career
00:33suicide. This was the point where we said, this is not going to work anymore. Exterminate!
00:411992, een jaar waarin ik werd geboren en Eurodance de hitlijsten in Europa en ver daarbuiten bestormde.
00:48Mijn liefde voor muziek is altijd groot geweest, maar Eurodance zag ik als muziek voor foute
00:59feestjes. Tot ik erachter kwam dat deze nummers de basis zijn geweest voor veel van de muziek
01:05en het geluid wat we nu horen. Hebben we hier in Nederland deze artiesten wel op waarde
01:10geschat? Waren deze Nederlandse acts toen net zo groot als Coldplay en Beyoncé nu? En hoe
01:16kan het dat deze artiesten nog steeds met hun hits uit de jaren negentig overal ter wereld
01:21optreden? Daar wil ik achterkomen in deze serie. Deze aflevering draait volledig om Snap.
01:39Snap is een van de grootste Eurodance acts uit de jaren negentig.
01:43Snap had twee nummer één hits in Nederland. The Power en Rhythm is a Dancer.
01:57Dit werd in 1992 zelfs de grootste hit van het jaar in de top 40. Vijf jaar geleden bleek dat ze Nederland
02:04nog niet vergeten zijn. En andersom. Ze traden samen met de toppers op in een bomvolle Johan-Kruijf-arena.
02:17Maar het begon allemaal met twee vrienden uit Frankvoort. Michael en Luca. Zij zijn muzikale
02:23pioniers en hebben met hun muziek grote invloed op de dansmuziek van tegenwoordig.
02:28Ik ontmoet de mannen in een museum dat volledig in het teken staat van de geschiedenis van de dance.
02:33We always wanted to do something new. The idea was not to follow other people's ideas.
02:44Dat was always our motivation. To do something that was ours and new.
02:48I got hooked on music. With about 15 and 16, I built my own DJ mixer. It was just a passion for music.
03:04In 77, I came to America and I was in New York when Studio 54 opened.
03:10That was a really hard club to get into.
03:12Nobody came in. There was sometimes in winter, people outside, 2,000 people waiting.
03:17People wanted to go in. This was disco time.
03:19I left New York and came back to Germany.
03:23And there was also the disco fever going on. It was 79.
03:28So Dorian Gray opened.
03:32By this time you had Palace in Paris. You had Limelight in London.
03:37You had all these big clubs. They were adapted from Studio 54.
03:40So you guys were DJs in the 80s. What kind of time was that like?
03:46Disco time.
03:48That was basically the main reason why we got into making music.
03:55Because we felt there wasn't enough music around that we could play in the club.
04:00So we said then we need to make our own music that we can play in the club.
04:06Korg MS-10 was my first synthesizer.
04:10Smaller keyboard. It was smaller.
04:12The whole place.
04:12And bigger.
04:14We hang out together and we started to make music at my house.
04:17We had the first sampler.
04:19I think nobody had a sampler at this time.
04:22So we did a lot of experiments.
04:25We used a boot.
04:26A boot.
04:27On a wooden floor for a bass drum.
04:29Oh really?
04:30Yeah and things like that and the good thing is that we always had a chance when I went to work in the club that we could play our stuff and check it out how the crowd will react.
04:41And then in the, I think 85, we started to make really much more music.
04:51The 512 and that has been our working horse.
04:55For a long time.
04:56For a very long time.
04:57So at this time we met Sven Feit and we became buddies.
05:01We were hanging out all the time together and then we said let's do a record.
05:05Let's do a video.
05:06Bad news, bad news.
05:13And in the night we had the tape and we went to the DJ.
05:17We went to Dorian Gray and we asked the guy can you play it.
05:19And he put it on and he played it and it was really magic.
05:26So people said that we developed new beat.
05:29Yeah because you can really hear the bass as well in that song that you still hear in songs right now.
05:37So that was really funny to see that it all started already there.
05:40Yeah I mean this was the first really good song we did in our new studio at this time.
05:45We did not have a label.
05:47We printed the record by ourselves.
05:50And on the back of the record was Master Studios Offenbach with the phone number.
05:55Yeah.
05:56The phone did not stop ringing.
05:58All the record shops from Germany called us.
06:01Oh we have this record here where we can have it.
06:04We said we printed it, we send you.
06:06They scoren together with Sven Veet.
06:08In the next day a lot in the techno scene, a much bigger hit.
06:12Where are you?
06:14The success is too big to keep the record still still pressing.
06:18We had to go for distribution.
06:20We shopped all the record labels.
06:23And one of the first questions was always, yeah are you musicians?
06:27No we're DJs.
06:29Oh sorry there's the door.
06:30So they did not understand how important the DJ was in producing music at that time.
06:37So I believe that we opened a lot of doors for everyone else.
06:42The two decided to set up a album company.
06:44Logic Music.
06:46For us it was an emergency situation to get our records released.
06:51We wanted our own platform to release our own music because we felt that the industry did not understand us.
07:00We were one of the very first independent record labels that only went for dance music.
07:09Ba ba ba ba.
07:12We in 88 we did electric salsa with Sven.
07:16So he came to the studio.
07:18We worked a lot together at this time.
07:19We always said come to the studio and we are just doing some fun.
07:23And one day when we we had this nice track and Sven suddenly start to do ba ba ba ba.
07:30Ba ba ba ba.
07:32Ba ba ba ba.
07:33The record was so low.
07:35Yeah.
07:35I think we were six weeks number one in France.
07:39Italy was number one.
07:39Italy number one.
07:41Everywhere number one.
07:42Electric salsa.
07:44In 89 I bought with Sven the club in Frankfurt.
07:48It was called Vogue and we changed it into Omen.
07:51And I was DJing.
07:53Sven was DJing.
07:54But then beginning of the 90s there was something like techno coming.
07:59Yeah.
08:02Sven one day said let's make a techno party.
08:06And we did it and it was completely crazy.
08:09And then at the end Sven said let's make a techno club.
08:15And I said I'm not sure if we do that.
08:18You know but we did it and it became the mecca of techno in Europe.
08:25Sven said look that's my life to be a DJ.
08:28Because we said let's become producers.
08:30We will spend our time in the music studio.
08:33And he said no I want to be a DJ.
08:35Michael and Luca beginnen heel succesvol te worden met een club en een eigen platenlabel.
08:41En dat blijkt een echte hitmachine.
08:42Ze weten het ene na het andere succesvolle nummer te maken.
08:46Maar ze komen er ook achter dat ze op deze manier al hun tijd steken in het maken van nummers voor andere artiesten.
08:52In het begin van de 90s en het einde van de 80s we were doing too much for our own recordlabel.
09:00And one day we said ok it's over guys.
09:03We will close our studio.
09:04You will not come to us anymore with any demos, anything.
09:07We are going back to do our own music.
09:10Waarom wir hier sind is genau das Studio.
09:13Das ist der Grund warum wir überhaupt Musik machen.
09:15Und warum wir überhaupt irgendwie etwas kreieren.
09:19Is der Spaß hier zu sitzen.
09:22So we went back to the studio.
09:24We closed and it was really some kind of relief.
09:27Nobody came anymore because we hang a big sign outside.
09:31Don't disturb.
09:31Don't disturb.
09:32Do not disturb.
09:32And we started to for the first time we had so much energy and we had so much fun to come back to our creations.
09:39And after one week we had the power.
09:42There is a function in the sequencer called snap.
09:52And when we finished the track, the power, Michael said what shall we call this?
09:59And we both looked up at the same time and pointed to snap.
10:05We used a guitar sound and we put it on a sampler and we cut it.
10:10In the night when we had the instrumental of the power.
10:14Wow, it's so cool.
10:15I had this record from Jocelyn Brown.
10:19Jocelyn Brown.
10:20Love is Gonna Get You.
10:22And we heard it.
10:24But there was this one part where she sing.
10:30I've got the power to make it through the hour and blah, blah, blah, blah.
10:34We heard it and I said, that's so cool.
10:37Let's cut it out.
10:38And we put it in.
10:39It was so perfect.
10:41So we let it run for hours.
10:42We were hypnotized by the loop.
10:45I remember we used to listen to it.
10:48Like, just listen.
10:50The mannen samplen ook nog een stuk rap van Chill Rob G.
10:53Ze maken een demo van de plaat, een zogenaamd white label.
11:06So we used it to finish the song for us.
11:10This was our intention.
11:10We want to hear how is the sound, how is the rap, with everything.
11:15Maar het was niet de bedoeling om deze uit te brengen.
11:18Want ze willen hun eigen zang en rap er nog op zetten.
11:21I think in two days we hit the breakout charts, number one.
11:25And we listened to the white label and said, oh my god, are you crazy?
11:29This is not what we want to release.
11:32We cannot.
11:33It's not cleared.
11:34There is no samples cleared.
11:35No, because it was made out of samples.
11:37So, and you didn't have the permission.
11:40Suddenly people had these white labels.
11:42It was getting around.
11:43It came somehow to America.
11:46And suddenly it went viral, we would say.
11:49Michael and Luca moeten snel aan de bak om hun eigen versie met zang en rap te maken.
11:54We needed a female vocal.
11:57And there was Chaka Khan was in Frankfurt on tour.
12:01Oh yeah, you know, maybe we can get Chaka Khan to come in and sing.
12:04I said, yeah, that would be really great.
12:07And then Chaka Khan said, oh wow, some German producers?
12:11No, no, not really interesting.
12:12Penny, you go.
12:13Stop tearing me down.
12:15De uit Cincinnati afkomstige Penny Ford is dan 26 jaar en heeft al een heel muzikaal leven achter de rug.
12:21The only thing I wanted to do was meet and work with Chaka Khan.
12:26So I spent a great deal of my life just trying to link up with her.
12:32Penny kent elk nummer van Chaka Khan uit haar hoofd en ontmoet haar op een interessante plek.
12:38She and I kind of met up in the toilet.
12:41You know what I mean?
12:41I went to the bathroom, she came in and she said, do you do drugs?
12:47I was like, she was like, you are a liar.
12:50Well, some choice words, you're a liar.
12:53And we've just been best friends ever since then.
12:57En als Penny samen met Chaka Khan op tournee is in Europa, krijgt ze dus in Duitsland dat onverwachte telefoontje.
13:04These German guys called Chaka and asked if she wanted to be a part of this project.
13:09And, you know, basically she just said, no, I don't do rap.
13:15You go do it.
13:17Penny gaat naar de studio om een album vol housemuziek in te zingen.
13:20En dat is heel anders dan dat ze gewend is.
13:23I mean, it was the worst thing I've ever sang, ever.
13:28Like, I didn't write anything down.
13:30I literally told the producers, give me a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of champagne, which is the same thing that I did today.
13:37Yeah.
13:37And turn on the mic.
13:41So what did you think about the song?
13:43Honestly, I thought it was noise.
13:46I didn't understand it, couldn't relate to it.
13:48And to be absolutely honest with you, if it had been left solely up to me, the power would never have been released.
13:55I didn't want my friends to hear it.
13:57And I was just like, I'll never be invited to the musicians' picnic ever again.
14:01What is this?
14:02Dan moet er ook nog een rap op het nummer.
14:06De producers komen uit bij de Amerikaan Daron Maurice Butler, alias Turbo B, maar toen nog volkomen onbekend.
14:14Hij woont en werkt in Miami, waar ik hem met een videoverbinding kan spreken.
14:32When I got there, you know, I met them and they played the power.
14:41And they said, well, what are you thinking?
14:43And I was like, all right.
14:44And it wasn't even about Eurodance.
14:47For me, it was just a hard hip-hop beat.
14:50And I sat there and I think it was like 15, 20 minutes.
14:56And I said, all right, I'm ready.
14:57And they was like, okay, went in the booth, put on the headphones.
15:03When I spit that first, like the crack of the whip, I snap attack, front to back.
15:09And when it was all said and done, they stopped it.
15:16And then everybody else who was sitting, you know, in the room was just like, wow.
15:23Like, this is going to be something special.
15:25And the rest is history.
15:27Stay off my back or I will attack and you don't want that.
15:32En met de rap van Turbo B erbij kan de nieuwe versie van The Power worden uitgebracht.
15:36En dan gaat het ineens heel snel.
15:39And it was a week later number one in England.
15:42This is the dream of every artist to become number one in England.
15:46And we suddenly find ourselves, bah.
15:49We had no video, we had nothing.
15:50So we run to London, made a video.
15:54In de videoclip is Turbo B te zien, maar Penny niet.
15:57Zij wilde niets met het nummer te maken hebben.
16:00En dus zien we het nichtje van Turbo, Jackie Harris, playbacken op de stem van Penny.
16:05Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
16:08King of heaven.
16:11They asked if I would like to have anything to do with it.
16:14And I said, no, don't call me.
16:16It's annoying still to this day.
16:18She is in the history books.
16:21I'm the only actual singer on the record.
16:24The power!
16:25It's time to power!
16:30Het gaat heel snel.
16:32Binnen no time moet Turbo naar top of the pops.
16:34And the new number one record is the power.
16:38And the start and I'm just like, oh my god.
16:40One phone mom, or the other phone lawyer.
16:45She realized that it was number one in the UK.
16:48And then she definitely wanted to be part of Snap.
16:51It was right in the nick of time because I really needed the money.
16:55And I, it was amazing.
16:58It was, it's God moment.
17:00One thing I do understand is that I'm not the superstar.
17:03The songs are the superstars.
17:05The strength of the song is unknown.
17:09Later came C&C Music Factory with Gonna Make You Sweat, Everybody Dance Now.
17:14And the song is for me exactly the same vibe.
17:18Everybody dance now!
17:23And when you look at Snap, you can always turn the power.
17:29And the water will still go off.
17:30And then it's time for Penny to meet Turbo for the first time.
18:00We weren't, like, put together as a group.
18:03She didn't want to be a part of it until we did the video in London.
18:09Penny would be up there singing and, you know, I was just amazed.
18:14You know, this, this little person had such a big voice.
18:23Penny, there's Turbo.
18:25We did an album and let's send them on stage.
18:29I'm MC Turbo B, live in Leipzig, and this is Snap.
18:37We did Leipzig, East Germany, for 350,000 people who'd never seen a concert.
18:49Nobody had ever prepared him for things actually becoming successful.
18:54He was, he was a little fearful, so it allowed me to be able to take over the stage.
19:07I remember when we did the deal with him, when we signed him, they wanted to have the money in cash.
19:12We met, and he was sitting there with two other guys, and we brought this back.
19:17How much cash was it?
19:19A couple of hundred thousand, it was.
19:21So it was really a lot of cash.
19:23And so he signed, and then they all suddenly talked about that's their money.
19:28It's their money.
19:30How's that for Turbo?
19:32There'd be new money coming in.
19:34Yeah.
19:35It's like somebody puts you on a rocket and shoots you to the moon, and you're not prepared.
19:39Money comes in?
19:40How does that work, a 23-year-old with a lot of money?
19:48Exactly.
19:49How does it work?
19:52How does it work?
19:53And unfortunately, you know, when you are just used to being a B-boy, and you're into hip-hop or whatever, whatever.
20:04I was from the streets.
20:07And when you're from the streets, all you know is the streets.
20:11We was, you know, partying, you know, popping bottles.
20:15If Prince or Terrence Trent Darby or, you know, people like that coming to town.
20:25I was on the same level.
20:27The top of the dance shots around the world were the first single time, The Power.
20:31Apollo, let's give a warm welcome to Penny Ford Turbo Ben, also known as Snap.
20:36I was shocked that America actually got into it as well.
20:44We did, like, the Apollo.
20:46Nine times out of ten, you're gonna get booed, you know.
20:49That's a tough crowd.
20:51It's a tough crowd.
20:52But we had the number one record.
20:54But Turbo thought we were, like, in the booing category.
20:56So if you see the video, he never comes out from behind the timbales, which gave me a chance to just do the whole stage.
21:04So I just took over the whole stage on that one, too.
21:14I think that's another reason why he had to present as this big, tough guy.
21:19Because he was so scared.
21:21Because it was a lot.
21:22It was a lot to happen for a human being at the time.
21:26The time.
21:27The success can't happen.
21:29The producers have the next singles already finished with release.
21:33And also this is immediately a regular hit.
21:44Cult of Snap!
21:47Despite the little irritations between Penny and Turbo,
21:50it doesn't seem to stand their success in the way.
21:53Especially when Cult of Snap becomes a hit.
21:56But then it's completely wrong during an event in a eat-gala in Detroit.
22:26And as we walked from the stage, you know, we were getting groped and, you know, getting our asses grabbed and whatever, whatever.
22:34And the security did nothing.
22:37You know, I voiced my opinion.
22:40And somebody went and got the owner of the club and he came in and started poking me in my chest saying,
22:48if you don't like my clientele, whatever.
22:51I said, it's not about your clientele, it's about your security.
22:54Didn't take care of us after we got off.
22:57Well, if you don't like any, he just kept poking and poking and poking.
23:01Well, one of those pokes ended up in my face.
23:04And all hell broke loose.
23:06Then the security wanted to be security.
23:08I got pushed into a corner and fought my way out, basically.
23:13He beat up eight drag queens at an important AIDS benefit.
23:18That is career suicide.
23:20And all of a sudden, Snap became a gay bashing band.
23:23And there are drag queens diving from everywhere in turbos, throwing them off his back.
23:28It literally was like a Godzilla movie.
23:30Like, argh!
23:32Something like that happening now would, you know, probably land him in jail.
23:37It almost did then.
23:40Basically, he got canceled, right?
23:43Yes, exactly.
23:44It did have a lot of consequences for you.
23:47It did, because it made me look like the bad guy.
23:53And in that situation, I was not.
23:57And it cost us, you know, a lot of money, a lot of fans, a lot of...
24:03There were literally people picketing our shows in America.
24:07In America.
24:08Don't buy Snap.
24:09Snap is a gay bashing band.
24:11And all the...
24:12But Snap keeps the world over toering.
24:26By the incident during the Benefiet concert, the band between Penny and Turbo B...
24:30...is a bit further. And the producers have to produce a second album.
24:42You have this huge successful album with a song like The Power and You Doubt...
24:47...and you said, can you ever do something like this in your life again?
24:54In die onrustige periode zoeken producers Luca en Michael...
24:57...naar een manier om Snap een nieuw geluid mee te geven.
25:01The music was confusing. Techno, you know, there was a lot of...
25:06...in 1991, 1992, there was so much music coming together.
25:10And we don't want to make techno. We don't want to make hip-hop anymore.
25:13We said we want to have something else in between.
25:16Before we always adapted music from America.
25:19But this was the first time we said, no, we will create something here.
25:26We had this melody and I always brought it back and we tried it and we tried it.
25:31And then one day we left, we closed the studio and we were at the door...
25:36...and I said, Luca, I have an idea. Let's just check it.
25:39So we went back, switched off the machines again...
25:41...and I played the melody half of the speed it was before.
25:45And suddenly, wow, it was perfect.
25:51So we did it. I think in this night we were almost...
25:54...it was winter, we had our coats on and we went back and we left the studio...
25:58...at the morning six, seven, eight or something and the song was done.
26:02Everything was done. The instrumental version.
26:05The instrumental version was completely done. And we always loved it.
26:09And terwijl de producers werken aan wat hun allergrootste hit zal worden...
26:12...neemt Penny een drastisch besluit.
26:14I was being treated like a backing singer. That's why it was easy for me to walk away.
26:19I was just like, I'm out of here. I've been doing this too long to be treated like this.
26:23I didn't realize I was walking away from all my money.
26:26Yeah.
26:27I've got the power!
26:29I've got the power!
26:31Penny vertrekt, maar blijft wel contact houden met Michael en Luca.
26:35Zo schrijft ze mee aan nieuwe nummers.
26:37En helpt ze bij het vinden van een nieuwe zangeres.
26:41We were in need of a new female singer.
26:44We always kept Penny in the loop.
26:48She was also involved in writing.
26:50In her writing.
26:51She was still part of the team.
26:55And she brought Thea.
26:58Penny ontmoet op een gezellige avond Thea Austin.
27:01Een uit Pittsburgh afkomstige R&B zangeres.
27:04Met een goede vriend belandt ze bij Penny thuis.
27:06Op dat moment weten ze dat Penny op zoek is naar een nieuwe zangeres voor Snap.
27:10En daar speelt die vriend handig op in.
27:12He put my music on. Had he not put my music on, she would not have heard it.
27:17Everything happened organically.
27:19And I said, you got a passport?
27:22She said, yeah.
27:23Three days later, she was in Germany.
27:25So when I met them, the energy was perfect.
27:28We had such a good time, you know, with Penny, with Michael, with Luca.
27:33You know, I was supposed to come over and write.
27:38I never had a job opportunity like that in my life.
27:41So I didn't want to muck it up, you know.
27:43And I was just like, dear Divine Holy Spirit, give me something that people could feel.
27:47So, you know, getting to like Rhythm is a Dancer, I had put down a vocal on there.
27:55And I needed an air break, you know.
27:58Please give me something that the people could feel.
28:01Like I surrendered to the music, I surrendered to the spirit, the feeling of it.
28:05She listened to the song, we played it to her, I said, come on, write something.
28:10And then I really heard it.
28:12Rhythm is a Dancer.
28:13And then it's a, and I was like, it's a what?
28:16You know, I had to ask.
28:17Honestly, I had to ask out loud.
28:19It's a what?
28:20And then I heard soul's companion.
28:23Like it's a soul's companion.
28:25People feel it everywhere.
28:27Lift your hands and voices was almost like praise, you know.
28:31Yeah, because it was coming from the soul, it was coming from the spirit.
28:33Lift your hands and voices and free your mind and join us.
28:36You can feel it in the air.
28:38It's a passion.
28:39That's what was coming from.
28:40I didn't think about it.
28:42I didn't think about it.
28:43We were really thinking.
28:44That was on the money.
28:45What is this?
28:47And I don't know how she came up with it, but she did it.
28:52And when we listened to it, it was really massive, massive, massive.
28:56Because it's also the, oh, all these things, it's so perfect.
29:01And she came up with this on the spot.
29:04Yes, on the spot.
29:05She wrote, I think, in 20 minutes.
29:0720 minutes.
29:08She wrote it.
29:09She wrote the line.
29:10That's all I can say.
29:11It was meant for me, and I know where it came from.
29:13It came from spirit, so.
29:15Usually, the spontaneous first idea is always the best.
29:19I walked outside for 15 minutes, and when I came back in, she had that hook.
29:24Rhythm is a Dancer hook down, so it was a magical moment for her.
29:28Because they took my part off, so it became that song.
29:34So I did.
29:35I took an ear break and cost me probably millions.
29:39Ha, ha, ha.
29:40We're the melod dancer.
29:41It's a source companion.
29:42We can feel it everywhere.
29:46Let your hands and voices bring your mind and join us.
29:51You can feel it in the end.
29:54Oh, it's a passion.
29:59Snap vind ik persoonlijk dus echt de allervetste Eurodance act die er heeft bestaan.
30:04Daar begon het ook mee voor mij.
30:06Het was Sportdag 1992.
30:08En de DJ daar draaide over dat hele grote grasveld.
30:11En eens Rhythm is a Dancer.
30:12Met die hele vette baslijn erin.
30:14En ik weet nog dat ik dacht, oh wauw, ik wil zelf muziek maken.
30:17Maar hoe?
30:18Hoe hebben zij dit gedaan?
30:19Jaren later kom ik dan achter hoe ze die track hebben opgebouwd.
30:22Die baslijn is een apart verhaal.
30:24Maar het begin, het beginstukje van het nummer, komt uit een ander liedje.
30:29Van Nucleus, Automan, een compleet onbekend stuk.
30:32Veel sneller ook dan dat je het ken, maar het melodietje ken je.
30:35Dit lijkt bijna Happy Hardcore.
30:37Meteen.
30:38Met een zang die je ook helemaal niet kent.
30:43Maar zij zijn op het idee gekomen om een oktaaf lage af te spelen en dan krijg je dit.
30:49En het stomme is, dit klinkt ook alsof het te laag wordt afgespeeld, maar daar hebben ze dit aan toegevoegd.
30:56En in één keer is het af.
30:59En dat vind ik zo gaaf.
31:01Samples en Snap, ze waren er heel handig in en scoorden er hele grote hits mee.
31:09Maar heel opvallend, de eerste single van het nieuwe album is niet Rhythm is a Dancer, maar Color of Love.
31:15Geschreven door Penny, gezongen door Tia en nog steeds gerept door Turbo.
31:20En we expected much more from this song.
31:26Yes.
31:27I actually believed that that was...
31:30A big hit.
31:31A big hit.
31:32Which was.
31:33It was number 10 in England.
31:36Yeah.
31:37What was for us?
31:38Oh my God, number 10.
31:39Oh, only top 10.
31:42Eigenlijk zijn Michael en Luca niet van plan Rhythm is a Dancer uit te brengen.
31:46Well, beginning of 92, I was still DJing in Omen.
31:49And at this time my wife came, she said, oh, can you not play Rhythm is a Dancer?
31:53This track, this track, I love it.
31:55I said, it does not fit here.
31:56I said, can I play it?
31:58And I said, okay, I play it.
32:00The people came to the dance floor.
32:02And after the song was finished, about 30, 40 people were standing and said, what did you play?
32:07And, you know, I'm a DJ and I know when this is happening, this is a big hit.
32:11And I said, this is going to be our next record.
32:14Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
32:21And of it's a hit, yeah.
32:23Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
32:26Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
32:29And whether it's a hit. The single achieved in at least 17 countries the number 1 position.
32:40Snap, now from Tia and Turbo, goes back to the whole world again.
32:59Two million records a day.
33:02It's the time of Turbo Beer!
33:08Despite the success, Turbo's snap also decides to leave.
33:11But anyway, he does the hits with Tia with the hits of Snap.
33:15But he does that on his own hat.
33:18So I want to talk about Turbo.
33:20T-Bear.
33:21I think you're the first person that called him T-Bear.
33:24That's my baby though, no matter what. That's my boo.
33:29T-Bear is a dancer!
33:33How was your relationship with Turbo? Was it good from the beginning?
33:36It was good. It was good.
33:38And, you know, everybody's got their growing pains, you know.
33:42This is my show. I ask the questions. Get off my show. Come on.
33:47I think it was a different time for him.
33:49You know, people mature at different stages and phases in life.
33:54He had a tough way about him, you know.
33:57But learning him, as I did, he had a very soft side.
34:04The next single that will be released is Exterminate.
34:08A album that Tia has written.
34:10But at that moment, she turns the world over with Turbo.
34:13And so, Michael and Luca are not to pick her.
34:15The reason is that they choose for another singer.
34:18Nikki Harris.
34:19I found out that they have tried to reach me and I missed the opportunity.
34:27Yes, I was sad. Yeah, it was heartbreak for me.
34:30So, I missed a good opportunity.
34:32But also, at the same time, Nikki Harris came in and blessed it up.
34:36I still get paid for it. I'm still the writer.
34:40I still get paid. So, you know, I can only be but so sad that it wasn't me.
34:45Exterminate!
34:47I think we had 50 versions.
34:49It was very crazy.
34:51It was really tough.
34:52Yeah.
34:53Yeah, because you think nothing is good enough.
34:55Exterminate!
34:57Exterminate was very successful.
34:59It was number two in England.
35:02Michael and Luca have not only success with their music.
35:05Also in the label, Logic Records, goes through the roof.
35:09We built up Logic Records.
35:11In Frankfurt we had about 30, 20 people.
35:14Then we opened the office in London.
35:17And we had all the 90's acts that came to our label.
35:21It was Hathaway, Rosala.
35:23Everybody's free!
35:26The Alban.
35:27Everybody in the 90's was on our record label and it became huge.
35:36You know, we were really thinking, oh my god, this is not what we wanted.
35:41You know, to manage and to be in such a, you know, environment where you suddenly have offices around the world.
35:48It becomes sort of a burden at some stage.
35:51Yeah.
35:52Because you have then a lot of pressure that you have to deliver.
35:56We got a tape and it was just an instrumental.
36:02And it was a piano track.
36:04And in our A&R meeting, people started saying, oh, we need to change the bass drum.
36:09We need to do this.
36:10Oh, and it's only instrumental.
36:13It's a piano house.
36:14It's no good.
36:15We noticed that our company started sliding in the same scheme.
36:20Like the big record companies.
36:21So we ended up not doing the record.
36:25And you know which track it was?
36:27It was Robert Miles' Children.
36:29No!
36:30Yes.
36:31That is crazy.
36:35That must have been a wake-up call.
36:36Yes.
36:37No, yeah, okay.
36:38After that.
36:39We sold it.
36:40The two sold it.
36:41The two sold it.
36:42And they sold it.
36:43They sold it for the third album.
36:45We were really in trouble.
36:47Because you had success.
36:48And then you had success again.
36:49With another singer.
36:50I think this was the worst time we ever had in our studio.
36:53I think you left to Holiday, to Italy.
36:55You were in 10 kilos less.
36:57And then they came with a third album.
37:00Welcome to Tomorrow.
37:02With a similar single and a fourth singer.
37:05Summer.
37:06Welcome to Tomorrow.
37:10When did you actually stop making music?
37:12In the middle of the 90s.
37:14End of 90s.
37:15End of 90s.
37:16They score a few little hits.
37:20Like The First, The Last, Eternity.
37:22The First, The Last, Eternity.
37:27Well, there were other priorities.
37:28There was a family.
37:29There were kids.
37:30There was a...
37:31Before, we were just alone.
37:33For 10, 15 years, we spent every day, every day in the studio.
37:38There was nothing else existing.
37:40My kid thought I live in a bed.
37:43Because one day, when I came home in the morning,
37:465 o'clock, 6 o'clock, I go to bed and the mother said,
37:49I was always sleeping.
37:51You know?
37:52Because I did nothing else.
37:53But I think you need to be investing everything what you have
37:58to be successful.
37:59Whatever you do in a creative way.
38:01If you do paintings or if you do music.
38:04And I'm not ready for this anymore.
38:09Michael and Luca nemen een pauze.
38:11Zij hebben genoeg geld.
38:13Maar dat geldt niet voor iedereen.
38:14I never got, you know, the money that I was supposed to get.
38:18I think Michael and Luca spend all of our money on their bucket list.
38:28There was a time they had private planes.
38:30They had Lamborghinis.
38:31They had villas in Spain.
38:33We didn't really have that.
38:39Turbo en Tia snappelen nog een beetje bij.
38:41Ze doen shows met de hits van toen.
38:43Ook al hebben ze geen officiële toestemming van Michael en Luca.
38:47Toerbe B.
38:48Toerbe B.
38:49Good evening, Moscow!
38:51When we closed, you know, our business with him, he got a lot of money.
38:56We said, you cannot go on tour under the name Snap.
38:59The name Snap cannot be anywhere.
39:01It's not allowed.
39:02You know.
39:03So if we want to fight, he will be very much in trouble.
39:08Penny stopt met de muziek en besluit weer in Los Angeles te gaan wonen.
39:12Daar belandt ze in een zwart gat en raakt ze verslaafd aan de drugs.
39:16That was a tough time for you.
39:18One thing is I couldn't get clean.
39:20I couldn't get off the drugs as long as I was in L.A.
39:23So I went back to Cincinnati and I got there.
39:26My mom, like, had a massive stroke.
39:29And so I ended up having to take care of my mom and my grandmother for like six or seven
39:36years.
39:37Because I had my mom unplugged.
39:38She woke up like three days later and she lived for six years.
39:42So I ended up taking care of her and my grandmother.
39:45And as soon as I buried them, the calls started coming from over here.
39:53Penny heeft weer contact met Michael en Luca.
39:55Ze gaat optreden onder de naam Snap.
39:59Maar dat betekent dat zowel Turbo als Tia dat echt niet meer mogen.
40:03A few months later is when I was talking to her on the phone.
40:06And she said, you can no longer go out of Snap.
40:10I'm Snap and that's that.
40:13And I was balled up.
40:15I started crying.
40:17Honestly, I started crying and I was like, that's not fair.
40:20Because Turbo and I had been out there holding up the light.
40:22Touring, you know, putting in the work, you know.
40:25And I just felt like the rug was snatched from under my feet.
40:30So Turbo and Tia are still performing under the name of Snap.
40:33How do you feel about that?
40:35I mean, you know, I have issues with her now.
40:38Because, you know, her and Turbo are still trying to do shows as Snap.
40:43And legally and morally, they're not allowed to.
40:47You can spend your life fighting for something.
40:50It's not important for us.
40:51You know what I mean?
40:52We always want that Penny is happy that she can do the touring
40:57and she does it perfect.
40:59She's really good.
41:00Snap is not just one entity, you know.
41:03I mean, that is their business.
41:05They created it.
41:07They have the right.
41:08They, you know, it's their baby.
41:10Legally, technically.
41:12But it was all of us.
41:14You know, it took everybody to create those songs that make the magic of Snap.
41:21So a world tour with all of us.
41:24The original, authentically.
41:26You know, yes.
41:27That's the air candy I would have delivered.
41:30I want to know if you're ready to get this party started.
41:33I said, are you ready to get this party started?
41:37Oh my God!
41:40Penny treedt nu als Snap op over de hele wereld.
41:43Want de muziek van toen is nog net zo populair.
41:46En de vrolijke noten worden nog steeds gebruikt.
41:49Ook door grote artiesten als Dua Lipa.
41:57De muziek is relatief dezelfde.
41:59Het is erg bedroefd door de marketing- en recordcompanies.
42:02If we listen, there's always the same hooks, same kind of melody, same kind of...
42:07There will always be a new song.
42:08Sure.
42:09Of course.
42:10There will always be a new song.
42:11So why are we not having it right now?
42:12Oh, it will come.
42:14It will evolve eventually.
42:17I think so.
42:18I strongly believe so.
42:19I mean, you know, it's rewarding when you hit the stage and you see those smiling people.
42:33That's right.
42:34And you see people having such a good time.
42:36The universe gave me this gift and this responsibility to make people happy.
42:43And there are worse jobs.
42:47Listen, I am 60 years old.
42:56Yeah, I mean, we had a vision and we had a dream and we were going for it.
43:00A lot of people thought we are crazy.
43:02We did not really think about it.
43:04We never thought about that.
43:05We said, we will do music and we will do great music.
43:09This is what we want to do.
43:13And what kind of advice would you give young artists right now in their career?
43:18I would say that if you are not willing to die for it, probably find something else.
43:30It would be so fun if there would be someone else next week.
43:32That would be so fun.
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