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Goa: During an exclusive conversation with director Girish Malik and Music Composer Bickram Ghosh on their upcoming film 'Mahamantra', exploring spirituality, ancient wisdom, and creating a universal soundscape for Lord Shiva. They blended diverse instruments like African Udu, sitar, cello, and veena. After that, they shared that this film is shortlisted for the Oscars, evokes peace and spiritual connection in audiences worldwide. In the last, they emphasized human musicianship over AI-generated music for its emotional depth.

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00:00Thank you, thank you so much.
00:19Oh, kis chiz n e attract diya?
00:22Insan ko lagtata hai ki us ki zindagi me sab kuch acha hi hoogah.
00:27Or aisa sarf kisi or ke sath hoota hai.
00:30So if, agar aap is dunia me pida hoi hai,
00:32aap is dunia me aaya hai,
00:34to aap ke saath kuch bhi ho sakta hai.
00:36Or koji bhi azi chiz, koji bhi azi,
00:38achi baat ya haadzha ya grief ya kuch bhi azi chiz hai,
00:42joh aapko aek zindagi ki kuch rukh hoti hai,
00:45jis ki tira wou mor djeta hai.
00:47To I would say ki,
00:49mire personal experience me,
00:51of course,
00:51my bhoat inclined tha shuruo se spirituality ke liye,
00:54or is ke liye,
00:55or,
00:56but lekin,
00:57obviously life me after certain person experience certain grief,
01:01I felt life is something beyond that what we do every day.
01:04Manda,
01:04joh hum loog,
01:05har roze marra ki zindagi,
01:07bitate hai,
01:08or,
01:08dhuntate raitate hai,
01:09fitate raitate hai,
01:10us mein eek zindagi,
01:11you know,
01:11every day eek routine me chelti raiti hai.
01:13To kuch aeshi chiz hai,
01:15joh aapko shock kar djeti hai,
01:16or phir aap,
01:17aapne zindagi ke maine,
01:18dhuntate nikalti hai.
01:19To maha mantra,
01:20I would say,
01:21ki woh usi,
01:22usi ki wajah se,
01:24maha mantra ki taraf,
01:26aggressively,
01:27ah,
01:28maine aapna rukh kiya,
01:30or maine aapne usi,
01:30or maine aapne bura,
01:31or,
01:31ah,
01:32maine baut kuch sikha,
01:33is journey me,
01:34in dho,
01:34dhai salong ki journey me,
01:36or baut evolved hua,
01:37or baut kuch,
01:38ah,
01:38pada,
01:39likha,
01:39samjha,
01:40or sabse bada ya,
01:41chiz,
01:42joh,
01:42meneye samjh me aya,
01:42ki,
01:43joh,
01:43hamaari ancient wisdom hai,
01:45hamaari vedic science me,
01:46hamaari vedo me,
01:47hamaari pranon me,
01:48hamaari,
01:48ah,
01:50us me sab kuch,
01:51hər chiz ka hal diya hai,
01:52hər chiz ka solution diya hai,
01:54صرف hum ne jahnne ki košish ni ki,
01:55hum,
01:56loogun ne aapne aap ko chhod diya,
01:57aapne antratma ko chhod diya,
01:59hum ne aapne aapne aapne aapse baat karna man kar diya,
02:03is wajah se,
02:03hum,
02:03har chiz ko,
02:05dunia me,
02:05her jaga,
02:06ڈhoon tere,
02:07but abhi,
02:08you know,
02:10mujhe lagtatai ki,
02:11ancient science,
02:13kahe lijie,
02:14ya ancient wisdom,
02:15kahe lijie,
02:16us meh,
02:16baut kuchh hai,
02:17aur hər chiz ka solution diya hai,
02:20ki agar aapko,
02:21unhau nne is tarah ke mantras diya hai,
02:23joh,
02:24aapki body ke saath,
02:26aapki body ki frequency ke saath,
02:28aapko jis tarah ka bhi,
02:30sukh,
02:30dukh,
02:31gush,
02:31har chiz ko,
02:32ho nibhaa sakta hai,
02:33toh ho hai.
02:35Votan naapse,
02:36aap,
02:37aap,
02:37aap,
02:37aap,
02:37aap,
02:37aap,
02:38aap,
02:38aap,
02:39aap,
02:39aap,
02:39aap,
02:39aap,
02:39aap,
02:39aap,
02:40aap,
02:40aap,
02:40aap,
02:40aap,
02:41kirish bhai,
02:52eek,
02:52baut bade haadzai se guzar,
02:55chukke thay,
02:57aur,
02:58uske baad,
03:01joh,
03:02jene ke liye,
03:04joh,
03:05eek,
03:06anchor ho ta hai,
03:07insaan ko,
03:08woh,
03:08zharuri ho paura ta hai,
03:09I saw him
03:11turning to spirituality
03:14for that
03:15or
03:16us
03:17doraan
03:18unke dimaag mein
03:20yeh film
03:20ánne laga
03:22kyunki
03:22hum artist
03:23hai
03:23aur
03:24humara
03:24aap
03:25expression
03:26boliye,
03:27sahara
03:27boliye,
03:27sab kuch
03:28humara
03:28kaam hi hai,
03:29music hai,
03:30ya film hai,
03:32toh,
03:33inhau ne,
03:34jis tarah se,
03:35inka soch,
03:36change honne laga,
03:38toh,
03:39yeh film
03:39unke dimaag
03:40be banta gaya,
03:42aur,
03:42us doraan
03:43bhi,
03:43hum log
03:43bachit
03:43kertte rehen,
03:45and,
03:45finally,
03:46when he said
03:47ki,
03:48yeh film
03:48hai,
03:49maha mantra,
03:50aur,
03:50yeh,
03:51shivji ke,
03:52upar hai,
03:54yeh,
03:54shivji,
03:55eek,
03:56sif,
03:56eek god
03:57nai hai,
03:58eek,
03:59ah,
03:59ahsas hai,
04:01then,
04:02way of life hai,
04:03toh,
04:04yeh,
04:04yahaan se,
04:06we started
04:06talking about
04:07iska
04:07soundscape
04:08kiya hooga,
04:09kiunki
04:10yeh toh,
04:11aisa hi,
04:12eek,
04:13film ka mahaol,
04:14joh hai,
04:15us meh,
04:16sound,
04:17localized
04:18nahi ho saktay,
04:19kyunki yeh,
04:20ap,
04:21sari universe
04:22ka baat kareho,
04:23toh,
04:23us meh,
04:24sound,
04:24kahaan se aayega,
04:25aapko,
04:26aisa hai,
04:26bhi,
04:26ahsas,
04:27dhilana padega,
04:27jis se,
04:28yeh,
04:28dikha rheyen,
04:28yeh,
04:29galaxies,
04:29dikha rheyen,
04:30film meh,
04:31toh,
04:31galaxy ka sound,
04:32kya hooga,
04:33woh galaxy ka sound,
04:34toh,
04:34dholak nai ho saktay,
04:36ya,
04:36ek,
04:36chiz nai ho saktay,
04:37us meh,
04:38aapko,
04:38eek,
04:38aisa mahaol,
04:39banana padega,
04:40ki,
04:40aapko,
04:41laghe ki,
04:41ismeh,
04:42exotic bhi hai,
04:43aur,
04:44thvora,
04:44bhot,
04:44pahachan bhi hai,
04:45ki,
04:45kyunki,
04:45ham,
04:45zindagy,
04:46jih,
04:46rheyen,
04:46toh,
04:47hume,
04:47maalum,
04:47hai,
04:47ki,
04:47zindagy,
04:48ka,
04:48yeh,
04:48yeh,
04:48cehra,
04:49hai,
04:49lekin,
04:50jis,
04:50jis,
04:50jis,
04:51jis,
04:51chiz,
04:51ko,
04:51hume,
04:51maalum,
04:52nahi,
04:52hai,
04:53us,
04:53chiz,
04:53ka,
04:53sound,
04:54kya,
04:55hai,
04:55us,
04:56ko,
04:56bhi,
04:56dhalana hai,
04:57is,
04:57meh,
04:58is,
04:58dhanche meh,
04:58toh,
04:59yeh,
05:00bada challenge,
05:00tha,
05:01aur,
05:01is,
05:01ka,
05:02hume,
05:02nne,
05:03is,
05:03ka,
05:03eek research,
05:06boli,
05:06eek conversation,
05:07boli,
05:07eek,
05:08chalou,
05:08kiya,
05:09aur,
05:09yeh,
05:10mujhe,
05:10grija bhai,
05:11nne bola ki,
05:11bhi,
05:12bhai,
05:12aisa,
05:13soundscape,
05:13karna hai,
05:14ki,
05:14maaniyen,
05:15shivji ko,
05:15hume,
05:15dhkha,
05:16rhe,
05:16shivji ka,
05:16soundscape,
05:17joh typical,
05:18hai,
05:19wo,
05:19alienation,
05:20meh,
05:20nahi,
05:20hona chahi,
05:21ki,
05:21eek dam,
05:21hi,
05:21alag ho gya,
05:22lekin,
05:23atypical ho na hai,
05:25wadlab,
05:25eek dam,
05:26hume,
05:26woh sound na hi chahiye,
05:27hume,
05:27kuch aisa chahiye,
05:28joh,
05:29hume,
05:29laghe ki,
05:30shivji,
05:30eek universe hai,
05:32eek,
05:32eek,
05:33a,
05:33a,
05:33kya bolta hai,
05:34infinity hai,
05:36to,
05:36yeh,
05:37iske liye,
05:38hum,
05:38hume,
05:38kya,
05:39kya,
05:39we started using sounds,
05:41which were as diverse,
05:43as,
05:44an African oodoo,
05:45African acapella,
05:46to,
05:47going to,
05:48Indian surbahar,
05:49Middle Eastern rabab,
05:52ya,
05:53masanj,
05:54ya,
05:55aap idhaar dkho,
05:55to,
05:56sitar bhi hai,
05:57udhaar guitar bhi hai,
05:58chelo bhi hai,
05:59string sections bhi hai,
06:00to,
06:01tara-tara,
06:01tara-tara ki sounds hai,
06:03aur,
06:03sab mila ke,
06:04eek,
06:05eek abstraction ke,
06:07ander se,
06:08aap,
06:08joh,
06:09nikalne ka,
06:10košish kar raha ho,
06:10soundscape wise,
06:12woh,
06:12eek,
06:13affinity hai,
06:15is,
06:15abstraction ke,
06:16sath,
06:17aap,
06:17judna chahate ho,
06:18to,
06:18ye,
06:19mushkil tha,
06:21is kam ka,
06:22but I think,
06:22people are liking it,
06:24and,
06:24we're getting,
06:25we've got,
06:25this Oscar shortlist now,
06:27so which means,
06:28something has worked,
06:29maamantra ki,
06:31screening hoi,
06:33here,
06:33premier iffee me,
06:34special showcase me,
06:36to,
06:381500 se,
06:39200 se,
06:39200 se,
06:39karibe loge ther,
06:40aur,
06:40meere khiaal se,
06:41her insan,
06:44aap,
06:44maamantra,
06:45actually,
06:46itni sari preconceived notions,
06:47hai,
06:48logeo ko,
06:48haamare,
06:50gods ko lhe kar,
06:51ya,
06:52haamari ancient science ko lhe kar,
06:53ya,
06:53maamantra,
06:54jis tarah se,
06:54wo sosek te hai,
06:55lekin,
06:55kal pehli baar,
06:57mntlap,
06:57loge,
06:58jab,
06:58picture dhekke,
06:58rickle,
06:59to,
06:59unhoonai bola ki,
06:59haamayi ye perspective,
07:00maalum hi nahi tha,
07:01ki,
07:02ki,
07:02koi,
07:03hum,
07:03isko science samajayin,
07:04kya,
07:04spirituality samajayin,
07:06ya,
07:06religion samajayin,
07:08ya,
07:08way of life samajayin,
07:09to,
07:09ma,
07:10merah eegi jabaab ta,
07:11ki,
07:11haap,
07:11shiv ko,
07:12sabkuch shivi hai,
07:13mntlap,
07:14it's like,
07:14the,
07:14joh five elements ka,
07:15explanation tha,
07:17jis tarah ki,
07:17haamayi vizuals,
07:18or jis tarah ki,
07:18haamayi os,
07:19use kiya hai,
07:20woh experience logeo ke liye,
07:22bhoat hi amazing tha,
07:22or woh bhoat hi satisfying tha,
07:24or woh bhoat peaceful tha,
07:25mntlap,
07:26film khatm hoi,
07:27pher uske baad titles hoi,
07:28to,
07:29uske baad shubhaah mudgal ji ka gana aya,
07:31to bhi,
07:31uske baad picture khatm hoonay ke baad bhi,
07:33dho minute tuk,
07:34logeo ke chab khatm hoya,
07:35to dho minute tuk baita hai,
07:36pher uske baad,
07:37unko realize hoa ki,
07:37picture khatm hoi,
07:38then they started clapping,
07:39to,
07:39to,
07:39aek,
07:40ajeeb sa soothing sa experience tha,
07:42mntlap,
07:43or bada hii kamaal ka,
07:44bhoat saare foreigners hai kal,
07:45ah,
07:45humari film ko,
07:46jis se mungjhe lagta hai ki,
07:47yunnoo,
07:47humari,
07:48hum,
07:49humari taraf,
07:50joh ruk hai,
07:51jis se kata spiritual awakening,
07:52joh dunia mein ho rhi hai,
07:53usmein,
07:54bhoat globally,
07:55logon ka interest a raha hai,
07:57aur,
07:58ah,
07:58munchhe lagta hai,
07:59us,
07:59woh,
08:00ek,
08:00or woh,
08:00samjh bha raha raha raha hai,
08:07kuchh bhaar ke loog,
08:08us omno-mashwai ko,
08:09feel kar,
08:10but I could see,
08:11mujhe unki shakloon pe,
08:12nazer a raha tha,
08:13ho bhoat hi,
08:14satisfying experience ha,
08:15humari liek validation hai ki,
08:16haan,
08:17joh humne banaya woh global,
08:18humari,
08:18eet chiz hai,
08:19joh global jayegi.
08:20Dekhye spiritual essence kya hai,
08:42pahle isko semjh na hai,
08:43spiritual essence vohi chiz hai,
08:46joh aapko inspiration dheti hai,
08:48ab,
08:50koi bhi sound,
08:52agar aapko resonate karta hai,
08:55aapke saath,
08:56aapke mind or body ke saath,
08:58to woh eek,
09:01eek spiritual essence us me hai,
09:04kyunki woh,
09:04aapke saath,
09:05woh resonate ho raha hai,
09:08humariya ye,
09:09such tha ki,
09:10itna bada subject joh hai,
09:13isko kahi na kahi,
09:14to aapko localize bhi karna padega,
09:16aysi nini ki,
09:16aap brumand me chhoord dhe esko,
09:18aur ye,
09:20matlab infinity ka sound kya hai,
09:23kahi na kahi,
09:23aapko johdana padega,
09:25logo ko,
09:25aapko eek,
09:26eek rope dhena padega,
09:28ki,
09:28aap ye esko pakdou,
09:29phir ao humare sath,
09:30you know,
09:31to us meh joh localizations hai,
09:33us meh mantra to hai hai,
09:35lekin us ke saath,
09:37sound joh hai,
09:38including a voice like Shubha Mutkal,
09:41Shubha ji ka joh voice hai,
09:43us meh e spiritual quality hai,
09:46the choice of her was unanimous,
09:48hum luk dhonohu nne bula ki,
09:49yeh,
09:50to unsehi karwarna hai,
09:52ab ab dhekhiye,
09:53uske biech meh eek rajaj wadiya ka,
09:55vina aara hai,
09:56ab vina kitnay,
09:58purana instrument hai,
10:01lekin,
10:03is vina ke saath,
10:04chelo bhi aara hai,
10:07ab ab kaho gai ki,
10:08chelo to,
10:09humare bhagawan ke sound nahi hai,
10:12nahi hai,
10:12lekin yeh bhagawan,
10:14wo bhagawan bhi nahi hai,
10:17yeh god joh hai,
10:18yeh god of the universe hai,
10:20this is the power,
10:21the force that drives the universe,
10:23to us meh all encompassing hona hai,
10:26aapko sab kuch ko submit nahi hai,
10:28iske anadar,
10:28to soundscape wise bhi,
10:30wohi chiz ho raha hai,
10:31aap kahi african sound dalo,
10:33ki kahi aap australia se digilidu lao,
10:36ki kahi aap india,
10:37kahi ka eek chhota sa manjira bhaja rai,
10:40aur usko pan kiya gaya hai,
10:42jyishe film mekel,
10:43logo ko,
10:44interesting bada laga,
10:46ki woh manjira ka sound ghoom raha hai,
10:48to yeh,
10:48yeh kya kharata hai,
10:49yeh aapko eek devotional anchor djeta hai,
10:52manjira aap manjir meh sunta ho,
10:54uske saath aapka eek,
10:56suddenly eek odu ka sound aya,
10:58phir aapko laga yeh kya chiz hai,
11:00yeh humne suna nahi,
11:01ki woha african hai,
11:03to yeh exotic aur pahachan ke biech mein hum ghum raha hai,
11:07and that is creating that strange,
11:11almost beyond terrestrial experience.
11:16Sir,
11:17please.
11:18Haan,
11:19please.
11:49And he loves culture. And culture is people. So he wants a human being to play that instrument. So we also work with them. It's easy for me because I have my passion. I want to see a musician playing an instrument. I don't want to download a sample and use it.
12:16You know, so this is very, very important. Digital age میں یہ compromise ہو چکا ہے already.
12:31Now, AI के बार में आपसे बाते करें तो I am not threatened or I don't think Girish Bhai is threatened by AI.
12:38Because, देखिए, AI जो लाएगा, वो imitation of human being है.
12:45और जो फिल्म ये बनाएंगे, उसके साथ AI का music करेंगे, तो उनका फिल्म लगेगा कि ये फिल्म का imitation है.
12:56इसमें reality होना है. ये reality को इतना पकड़ते हैं, sound को भी वैसी ही पकड़ना पड़ेगा.
13:02मेरे हिसाब से एक concert होना चाहिए, AI versus Vikram Ghosh.
13:06तो ये होना चाहिए कि आपने AI को instruction दी कि भई, ये है, ऐसा-इसा sound बनाना, ये करना, वो करना, हमें इसमें कॉस्पिक चीए, ये करना, अभी AI सोचेगा.
13:14वो confusion होगा, तब तक, जब तक, वो सोचेगा, तब तक, इतना काम हो चुका, ये sound आ जाती है.
13:19So, I think he is faster than that.
13:21So, I am just saying कि, we can fight with AI right now.
13:24ऐसा है क्योंकि उसके लिए आपके पस दिमाग चीए, बिकुस आज की दौर में, प्रॉब्लम ये है, लोग के पस दिमाग नहीं है.
13:30लोग सब कलोन हो गए है, एक हर आदमी कलोन है, और इतना मतलब वो उसके बाद इतना वो उपर से चलता है कि मेरे को इतनी knowledge है, पर उनको ये नहीं समझे कि जो knowledge हो उनका है, वो दूसरों को भी इतनी knowledge है.
13:41ये एक same information जो हो रही है, same तरह की चीज़े हो रही है, that is why we are not able to excite people with something newness, आपकी curiosity खतम हो गई है, तो मेरे एक इतना जवाब ही है, दूसरे जो आपने पुछी sound of जो आपका सवाल था, इस spiritual, आज इतने सारे conflicts, mental imbalance, war, आज इंडिया, पाकिस्तान हो गया, यहार, Palestine, इस्राइ
14:11से अगर ये message दे सकें, कि ये इसका भी जवाब हमारे पास है, जो इतना mental imbalance है, जो इतना environmental imbalance है, जो इतना political unrest है, जो इतना global conflicts हैं, वो भी हमारी ancient science में ही उसका जवाब है, तो महामंतरा में अगर आप देखोगे, उस सब चीज़ की जवाब है, ज़idden में हमने पताई है, हमने solutions
14:41Is it true?
14:48Yes.
14:49Oh my God.
14:51Oh.
14:52Well, I would say only this much that huge fan, huge fan of his work.
14:58We have grown up on this film and a part of my childhood will come.
15:05Great art, great art.
15:08No, no.
15:09It's very, very sad to know and especially I know the family.
15:12Bobby's a good friend.
15:14Oh, I'm very, very sorry to hear this.
15:16And about Dharamji, I think, of course, it's very sad, but I think the life well lived.
15:25Everything well lived about that man.
15:27If you meet anybody who has met him, he meets people with heart.
15:32He meets people.
15:34He used to meet people.
15:35Still, I'm saying he meets people with heart, but it's so sad.
15:38But like he is someone who's smiling.
15:41When you meet him, he smiles at you.
15:43Yeah.
15:44And who's who, who's watching them, you know, you know, you're a smile on your face.
15:49You know, it's like that you're getting a star that you're getting to know, you're getting to know.
15:51And I think that you're getting a star that you're getting to know.
15:53And I have a lot of relatability.
15:57Because my whole family comes from that area.
16:00So, I see a lot of resemblance in the way he sounds and the way he speaks.
16:05I'm very, very sorry that I think the industry, those, our country is definitely and globally people are going to miss him.
16:12He's, he'll be always best.
16:14And he'll always live in everybody's heart and his smile and his charm and his, and he's one of the most charming actor, you know, on our, in Bollywood.
16:22Okay, so the intelligence of Bollywood.
16:26That's the one.
16:28Yeah.
16:29Right.
16:30In his English language.
16:31In a sentence.
16:33In a sentence.
16:34Of a sentence he's, I have to write that in English I am writing that the ultimate savior.
16:43In your life, your hand is the ultimate savior.
16:47The ultimate savior, when everything goes into him.
16:51that is where
16:58Mahamantra is
17:00Om Namah Shivai and
17:01Hand of Shiv
17:03that is what I say
17:04when all else fails
17:06you know
17:07ultimate saviour when all else fails
17:10it is an anchoring of the soul
17:36for human beings
17:40you
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