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00:00Hey guys, we are here with the Hollywood Life podcast and I have so many questions because
00:06we have a very, very special guest here today and you all are going to know her.
00:12We are here with Rachel Lindsay, former Bachelorette and still engaged after the Bachelorette
00:21and we have so much to talk about and we're also here with Ali Stegnita, our on-air anchor
00:29and entertainment writer and she's just jam-packed with questions too.
00:33Oh, I'm so excited.
00:34I love Rachel.
00:34Rachel and I are already like best friends.
00:37No, you guys have pumped me up.
00:38I'm like ready to go.
00:39We had such good conversation before.
00:41Yes.
00:42I can't wait.
00:42Yes, we do because we have questions and of course it was just, you know, in recent days
00:49that we had the Bachelor final.
00:51So we're like right in Bachelor nation timing and we have here in our studio, Nick, the silent
00:59producer.
01:00Hi, Nick.
01:01Hi, Nick.
01:04So Rachel, welcome to Hollywood Life.
01:07Happy to be here.
01:07Thanks for having me, you guys.
01:09So happy to have you.
01:09We've been fans since day one.
01:11Yeah, I was, I thought that you were a fabulous Bachelorette and I'll, for many reasons, but
01:17one of my key reasons was, and you can answer questions about this too, is that you really
01:23asked questions about your suitors and had serious conversations about life goals and what
01:31were their views on important things about like, if you're getting married, do you want
01:36to have children and where do you want to live and how do you feel about me working and
01:40what about your career and would you move?
01:41And I don't think I saw one of those conversations with Colton this season, but that is more typical
01:48on the show that you don't see those kinds of conversations that are normal if you're
01:53thinking about, about getting married to somebody.
01:55So do they happen or was this like you wanted to make sure?
02:01Yeah.
02:02For me, I was more focused on the relationships that were in front of me rather than that I
02:06was putting on a show.
02:08And I'm not saying that someone else was doing that, but I think it's hard to separate the
02:12fact that you're trying to establish these relationships, but you're also filming a TV
02:15show.
02:15And for me, I was very much so 31, turned 32 while filming the show, taking a break from
02:22law.
02:22I wasn't going to waste my time doing it.
02:24I thought, okay, I'm here to see if I can find someone to spend the rest of my life with.
02:28So there's certain questions that just have to be asked.
02:31Yeah, exactly.
02:32Yes, the drama in the house, you talk about that, but it's like, okay, life outside of that,
02:37I need to see if we can work in real life.
02:39So I have questions I need to ask.
02:40But you were also a bachelor contestant, like a bachelorette for, was it Chris Soules?
02:46Was he your bachelor?
02:47No, no, Nick Vile.
02:48Oh, for Nick.
02:49Oh, that's right.
02:51The infamous Nick.
02:52And so when you were being the, like the contestant, did Nick ask those questions to you or did you
02:58bring them up?
02:59I think you brought them up in conversations with him.
03:02Yeah, Nick really did.
03:03There is no way Nick did.
03:05And it's funny, I remember, I took Nick to church, okay?
03:10Yes.
03:11And I was like, on a Sunday, this is typically what goes down for me.
03:14And so I wanted it to be as real as possible.
03:16And I remember we were talking about religion.
03:20And he was kind of like, let's talk about something else.
03:23And I'm like, but that's kind of real life.
03:25That was like one of the realest conversations we had had in front of the camera.
03:28And I just think sometimes people don't think it's interesting enough, it's entertaining enough.
03:32I mean, I tried, but Nick was more about talking about what was in front of us.
03:36Like the date we just went on.
03:38But then how do you choose a life mate?
03:41Because a lot of, I mean, a lot of people do on the show.
03:45They end up engaged and a number of them have gotten married.
03:49Well, like I think the percentage is low for the ones that have actually worked.
03:52And that's because I think people don't separate Bachelor world from real life.
03:57Like there are a number of people on my season that in that world, we would have worked perfectly.
04:02But there was only one person who I felt I would work with outside of it and in real life.
04:07And you can't know that unless you ask real life questions.
04:11That's why I feel like Bachelor in Paradise actually has a better success rate because the dynamics are so different and the downtime with each other is so different that you're able to actually kind of have those discussions without all the chaos.
04:30I have two good friends, Raven and Astrid, who have had very successful relationships from Bachelor in Paradise.
04:36And that's what I think is interesting.
04:37Are they still together?
04:38They're still together.
04:39Who are each of them with?
04:40Remind us.
04:41Astrid is with Kevin.
04:42He was from Canada.
04:44Oh, yeah.
04:45Yeah.
04:46And she moved to Canada.
04:48Wow.
04:48And then Raven is with Adam, who was on my season.
04:52Yes.
04:52I remember Adam.
04:53And she moved to Dallas for him.
04:55Yeah.
04:55And so it really does work, which I think is funny about Colton's season because the way he kind of broke the mold, he created a Bachelor in Paradise situation.
05:03Right.
05:04And she got to date her for a week with all the other girls gone and just kind of have the pressure away from like the ring.
05:10Like they still had the virginity pressure, but they have like the ring thing was gone.
05:14That's Bachelor in Paradise.
05:15Right.
05:16Exactly.
05:17Well, and listen, it seems to have worked.
05:18They look like they were thrilled last night.
05:20I mean, they truly look like they're in love now.
05:23So, oh.
05:24What do you think?
05:24She's skeptical.
05:26Oh, my gosh.
05:26She's skeptical.
05:27I'm so bad at controlling my facial expressions.
05:31If we weren't in person, you would have never known that.
05:33I think that it is easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of things right now.
05:39When you're in hiding, you are protected.
05:42And people can speculate that you're together.
05:44They can kind of have their opinions based on watching the show.
05:47But you are hidden, get to see each other privately from everybody else.
05:51And it is a lovely time.
05:52Then you put your relationship on display for everyone to pick apart and critique.
05:58This is when it gets hard now.
06:01And so I just feel like they're young and they're into each other.
06:06And I think their feelings aren't on the same page.
06:09And I just think they're just like caught.
06:10I really do think so still.
06:12You still think he's more in love with her than she is?
06:14A hundred percent.
06:15I think she's caught up in everything.
06:17And we'll see what happens when I am rooting for them.
06:20I just want to say that.
06:21I always root for people in love.
06:23I just think that we'll see what happens when the cameras go away.
06:26And now real life hits.
06:27Right.
06:27And the other thing is, though, she is very young.
06:29I mean, he's only just like 27, but she's only 23.
06:33Which is very young to be making life decisions or even getting engaged decisions.
06:39I agree.
06:39Well, and I feel like she is very caught up in the whole thing, like you said.
06:45And I also think that we briefly spoke about this to each other.
06:49Just her family was so involved.
06:52And so I'm just it's just going to be interesting to see how it plays out and how it plays out in the next few weeks once the cameras go away.
06:59And you had mentioned, Rachel, your your experience after the final rose.
07:06Can you go ahead?
07:08Oh, I was just going to say, let's just remind our our listeners that Rachel got engaged to Brian.
07:14Oh, I'm going to misprounce his last name.
07:16Abisola.
07:16Abisolo.
07:17Brian Abisolo.
07:19And he is based in Miami.
07:20You were based in Houston.
07:22Dallas.
07:23Dallas.
07:23So I knew it was one of those Texas cities.
07:25You were based in Dallas.
07:27Well, that's good, though, because you didn't get the hurricane.
07:30And so it wasn't like it was going to be easy for you because you were going to have to deal with long distance.
07:35Now, is he still a trainer?
07:36I remember he was a trainer.
07:38So he's actually moved into that.
07:40So he he did move to Dallas for me, which is great.
07:44OK, so that's that's something people don't everybody doesn't know.
07:47No.
07:47And he got his license.
07:49He's a chiropractor by trade.
07:50So he got his license to practice in Texas.
07:52But he's really trying to grow the fitness, personal training, nutrition side of things.
07:56And he's built his own lifestyle and wellness brand.
07:59And so that's what he's focusing a lot on now, too.
08:02But you have some news because he moved for you because you were still practicing law at your law firm.
08:09And you have just left the law firm a little over a couple of months ago.
08:13And you were you were practicing civil defense litigation.
08:18Yes.
08:19And so fun.
08:20And very different from being the bachelorette.
08:24So you were practicing law and he moved for you.
08:27But you just want to break the news to our audience that that about where you are going now.
08:33Yes, I am returning the favor.
08:35I am moving to Miami, which is where Brian's from, which is where Brian's from.
08:39Yes.
08:39And it just makes more sense.
08:41You know, sometimes you have to make those sacrifices for the relationship.
08:43I'm traveling all the time anyway.
08:45And he supported me.
08:46Now it's my turn to do the same for him.
08:48But why move back?
08:50Like he already set up a practice in Dallas.
08:54Well, he hadn't actually.
08:55He hadn't set it up there.
08:58And so to answer your question, it is better for him to do that in Miami just with his connections.
09:03Definitely.
09:04Who he knows and his team is there.
09:06So, like, I want to go back and do that with him.
09:09And Miami's such a fit town, too.
09:12So it's such a great place to do it.
09:13And also, I mean, I know you're like a Texas girl, but I feel like you're going to be a good East Coaster.
09:18Do you think so?
09:19Yeah, I do.
09:20Thank you for that compliment.
09:21I do.
09:21From a Jersey girl, I think you're going to be good.
09:24I'm embracing it now.
09:26Like, people are like, wow, you're moving to Miami.
09:28And I said, listen, I'm going to be honest.
09:30It took me a while to get here just to.
09:32I like change, but I'm kind of like Texas is great for all these reasons.
09:37But also your family was there.
09:38My family's there.
09:39And his family's all in Miami.
09:41But it just took some time for me to get there.
09:43I don't want to make it seem like I was just so on board.
09:46Well, because you're a strong woman, and that's something that Bonnie, I remember when we watched your season, would just say after every episode, she would come in the next day and be like, Rachel is just so strong in her convictions and what she wants, and she knows what she wants.
10:00I really do recall you saying that.
10:02And it was so nice to see a woman up there who just knew what she wanted, and even on Nick's season.
10:10And also was very career-focused because a lot of the bachelorettes and the contestants, they don't talk about their careers as if they're super important.
10:21And in fact, a lot of the contestants on The Bachelor will say, well, I just want to be a wife and mom.
10:26Not that there's anything wrong with that, but, I mean, most women work today, so it's not that representative.
10:32I was going to say, no shade, but it's the truth.
10:35Most of them don't have careers.
10:37You know, they come in maybe using it as a springboard for something else.
10:42Maybe they're still in a place where they're trying to find themselves because a lot of them are younger.
10:46You know, I was still in school at 23, whatever Cassie is, so I was still, so she's a student.
10:50I was a student, too, at that age.
10:52So I get it.
10:52It's like, it's a little different.
10:54Well, speaking of that, so since you are unusual from the typical profile, why did you decide to be a Bachelor contestant in Nick Vile's season?
11:04It's insane because I didn't even watch the show like that before, but I had two co-workers who I am thankful for to this day who came into my office and said, hey, they're having tryouts two weeks from now down the street.
11:18You should go tryout for The Bachelor.
11:19And I remember laughing and I was like, you guys, why would I do that?
11:23And I don't watch the show, but I know that, like, the person of color, like the black person never goes far.
11:28I know that's a running joke.
11:29Well, you were the first person, woman of color who was The Bachelorette.
11:34Yeah, and so I, for me, it's kind of like the odds are against me, but then I thought, well, why not?
11:40I kind of was at a place in my life where I was like, I was complacent.
11:45I had done everything I said I was going to do professionally, but something was still missing.
11:49I didn't feel complete.
11:50I didn't feel happy.
11:51I wanted more, and I wanted, to be honest, a bit of an escape.
11:55So I thought, why not?
11:57Let's just see what happens.
11:58I'm open to it.
11:59Take two months off of work.
12:01That helped.
12:02My job was insanely supportive, and I am forever grateful.
12:06Why were they so supportive?
12:07They just thought it was great publicity?
12:09That, I'm happy that my boss was progressive enough to think of it that way, but he's also
12:13a super fan of the show.
12:14Oh, funny.
12:16And I didn't know that.
12:17And he had just become a fan of the show that summer during his vacation.
12:21His daughters were watching Bachelor in Paradise, and he was like,
12:24what is this thing?
12:25Got so sucked in, went back, and started watching other seasons.
12:29Oh, my gosh.
12:29So then here I come in August.
12:30He just got back from vacation.
12:32And I'm like, well, I've been approached to do The Bachelorette.
12:35He throws his hands up in the air, and he's like, yes!
12:38Go find love.
12:41That's so fantastic.
12:42Everything in the stars aligned for me.
12:44It really did.
12:45But now, so you are now moving to Miami very shortly, and we hear that you're wedding dress
12:52shopping, or wedding gown shopping.
12:55So I assume that there is a wedding date, or at least close to that.
12:59Yes.
13:00We have said August 2019.
13:02My wedding planner has been very strict about me saying, not giving the exact date or location,
13:08but it will be in the Caribbean.
13:09So it's going to be hot.
13:10August, in the Caribbean, it may come a shock to people to hear me say I'm getting a wedding
13:15gown, because I was very emphatic about wanting a wedding suit.
13:19Yes.
13:20That's all I wanted to wear, was a pantsuit.
13:22And then I'm working with Randy Rom, who designed my dresses, most of them on the show,
13:27actually.
13:27So it was like, I met Brian in a Randy Rom.
13:29He proposed to me in a Randy Rom.
13:31It just makes perfect sense.
13:32I had a great relationship with her.
13:33How did you hook up with Randy Rom?
13:36So she was doing the dresses on the show.
13:38Oh, she was actually, like, no, she wasn't there.
13:40Got it.
13:41But I so connected to her dresses.
13:44I know that sounds weird, but I did on the show.
13:46Well, you looked beautiful in them.
13:47And they just had so much personality.
13:49And I reached out to her, and we've had a relationship ever since the show.
13:53I mean, I had dinner with her last night.
13:55Oh.
13:56And so she's doing my dress, and I just feel like she gets me.
13:59And so that's very exciting.
14:00And she was the one who said to me, you want to wear something that you can't emulate on a red
14:05carpet.
14:05You want it to be for you.
14:07You want it to be to speak to Brian.
14:09And I thought, that's why you're a wedding dress designer, because you just got my mind
14:13right.
14:14Now I want to wear a dress.
14:15Right, right.
14:16And so August 2019, that's this August, in the Caribbean.
14:21And Brian, now, what made him, well, first of all, what made him out of, like, you know,
14:30out of the blue, decide to be a contestant?
14:32And then what makes it work with the two of you so well?
14:36I think, okay, so to answer your first question, he went on the show, because he was older,
14:40too.
14:41I was 31, turned 32 on the show.
14:43He was 37.
14:44His best friend called him.
14:46He didn't pick up the phone.
14:47He was at work.
14:48She called him again.
14:48She's like, you want to pick up this phone call?
14:50I have a friend who's looking for contestants.
14:53I think Rachel's, who's going to be the bachelorette.
14:55I think y'all would be great together.
14:57And she said, I think.
14:59This is so crazy.
15:00So he didn't have to go to, like, an actual tryout.
15:02He just, because his friend knew this producer, he just went to a private one.
15:08They were like, you'd be great.
15:09And then they just kind of sent him on.
15:11And it's perfect how it worked out.
15:13And was he looking for love in particular?
15:16Yeah.
15:16For him, he was in a place where that's what he wanted.
15:19He had come out of a relationship.
15:21He had a four-year relationship, then was dating.
15:23And he was trying everything, then had a serious relationship.
15:26And then it came out on the show.
15:27She didn't get along with his mom.
15:29And it just didn't work out.
15:30So he was ready.
15:32He was in a place where he was ready for something serious.
15:34And I think that, to answer your second question, is why things worked for us so well.
15:38We were both in a place where we were ready to find one another.
15:42So, like, he always says timing is everything.
15:45And after going through this whole process, I totally get it.
15:47Plus, we both had careers.
15:49We both had kind of gone through the whole thing of our 20s.
15:52We were just in that place in our lives.
15:54And plus, we just, like, vibed really well.
15:56We connected from the beginning.
15:57I gave him my first rose.
16:00It's just, it's insane to me how well we connected.
16:04Even our families get along so well.
16:06Like, when I come next week to go wedding dress shopping, his mom will be here.
16:10My mom will be here.
16:11They talk all the time.
16:12Yeah, it just, it fits so great.
16:14I feel like, and I had actually said this when I had watched this season with Colton and Cassie,
16:22that I felt like when they were on camera together, and maybe it was the producers,
16:26but they just seemed smitten with each other.
16:29Yeah.
16:29And it was the same with you and Brian, that, like, I almost feel as though if it weren't,
16:36if the show didn't happen and you guys met, you know, at a bar, like everyone else,
16:41that you guys would still be together.
16:46I think so, too.
16:46You know what I mean?
16:46I really do.
16:48I think so, too.
16:49And, like, I think it's obvious because I gave him my first rose, which means we had that connection,
16:53that physical attraction.
16:54You don't really know the person that well at that point, but there's something that, like,
16:57sparks your interest.
16:57Well, no, it's that first cocktail party.
16:58Because, yeah, and you're trying to, like, I couldn't even remember Brian's name.
17:02I was just like, who's that guy who spoke Spanish to me?
17:04Like, where is he?
17:04I want to talk to him again.
17:06So, yeah, definitely that would be the case, and I agree with you with Cassie and Colton.
17:09Yeah.
17:09So he obviously made a first impression, a good first impression on you.
17:14How quickly did things develop after that?
17:19I would, for me, my top two were my top two pretty much,
17:24no, not pretty much, they were the entire time.
17:26So I knew I had a connection with Brian.
17:27And I was hesitant with him because he was just, like, so, we fit together so well
17:33that I was like, no, there has to be something that's wrong.
17:36So then after our first date, I thought, no, he's really who he says he is.
17:39And then our second date, I thought, okay, this is still the deal for me.
17:43And then after meeting his family, I remember I had whispered to a producer,
17:46I was like, it's Brian, you know, but it's, you still, you have to play the game and go through,
17:52which we saw that happen differently this season with Colton, which is interesting.
17:57I don't know what they're going to do moving forward because now he has set a tone.
18:01And now other people are going to say, hey, I want to do what Colton did.
18:04Because if I had come after Colton and I had seen what he did, I would have said, well,
18:09I'm leaving too.
18:10I know who I want.
18:10I don't want to continue with everyone else.
18:12I don't want to do this.
18:13That makes sense what you do in real life.
18:15And so you felt like you were doing a show and you felt that responsibility.
18:21So you had to keep leading on basically two other guys.
18:24Yeah.
18:25And it's not that I didn't care for them.
18:26And that's when people are like, oh, you cry so hard.
18:29It's like, ask any lead who's in that position.
18:32Colton boo-hooed over Hannah G sending her home.
18:35When you have to break someone's heart, who you've been spending all this time with,
18:40who you've made a connection with, there's a reason they made it this far.
18:43It hurts to let them, they think they're going to spend the rest of your life with you
18:47in some capacity, whether they propose or not.
18:50And here you are breaking their heart.
18:52That is tough when you care about somebody.
18:54And that's something that every lead, including myself, underestimates.
18:58Yeah.
18:58Well, it's like JP and Ashley.
19:00I remember they have come on our podcast before.
19:03And Ashley was like, oh, I knew from day two that it was JP.
19:06But they had to go along with the whole thing.
19:08And they would sneak out of their hotel rooms and see each other and stuff.
19:12But she-
19:12Did they really?
19:13Yes.
19:13Oh, yeah.
19:14They would sneak out and see each other.
19:15They would go past producers.
19:16JP would sneak into her hotel room.
19:18He'd scale the hotel wall.
19:20Oh, my God.
19:21And they would sneak it through.
19:22And then she would be like, I'm telling you, I'm choosing you.
19:24But then the next day, she'd bring someone else on a date.
19:26And they were like-
19:27I think Catherine and Sean did some of that, too.
19:30Because we've interviewed-
19:32Caitlin.
19:32And Sean Booth?
19:33Caitlin definitely did.
19:35Oh, yeah.
19:35Yeah.
19:36Caitlin did with Polly and Phoebe.
19:37No, no, no.
19:37Not Caitlin and Sean Booth.
19:39It was-
19:40JoJo and Jordan?
19:41No.
19:41It was the guy who was the born-again virgin.
19:44Oh, Sean and Catherine.
19:45Yeah.
19:45Sean and Catherine.
19:46Oh, yes.
19:47Yes.
19:47Yes.
19:47Sean and Catherine.
19:48Because we've had them on the podcast a couple of times.
19:51And I think that they knew pretty much right away, too.
19:54So they were kind of secretly seeing each other.
19:57They would secretly see each other.
19:58You should have talked to them beforehand.
20:00I'm such a rule breaker and I didn't do that.
20:01I would give out my hotel room number.
20:04Like, I'd put my hand down and I'd be like, five, two, three.
20:08And they were like, we saw you do that.
20:11But nobody, I never snuck in.
20:13I think I was just too scared to do that kind of thing.
20:15I didn't want to mess up a season.
20:16And I had heard, like, Caitlin and other people had done that.
20:19So I was like, no, I don't want to do that.
20:21So the time that you got to spend with Brian was, like, literally in front of the camera.
20:27You didn't get any other alone time and you still had to know?
20:30Until the fantasy suite.
20:32That's when you get alone, alone time.
20:34And that's when I, like, I've said this before.
20:37That's at the end.
20:37You don't have any time.
20:39None.
20:40Like, we didn't sneak off.
20:42I just, I don't know, I think being a lawyer, being 32, dating, I've been through this whole
20:48dating thing, you know, I just knew what I was looking for.
20:52And I knew I would, when I saw it, I would know it.
20:55Yeah.
20:55Well, at least you get the opportunity to kiss a lot.
20:59You do.
21:00Because they want you to kiss.
21:02So you're, like, making out with all these guys.
21:04So I guess you could also at least be able to tell you've got some kind of physical connection
21:08because you're kissing them.
21:09Oh, yeah.
21:10Brian was an amazing.
21:12People, like, got on his kissing because it was so, like, in your face.
21:16But I guess I like that.
21:18I guess I like it.
21:19Yeah, we kissed you, like, the first night.
21:21He did.
21:21And it was so good.
21:22He was the first one.
21:23He was.
21:24Yeah, I remember that.
21:25That was usually the first kiss.
21:26They usually win.
21:27It was so good because I had some bad kissers.
21:29I'm not even going to lie.
21:30But Brian was, we were just, like, in sync.
21:32And you had to keep kissing them.
21:35Like, you had to keep kissing, guys.
21:37You didn't want to kiss.
21:37Ew, no one's a worse kisser to watch than Ari.
21:39Ari is the most disgusting kisser to watch.
21:42I know.
21:42I was thankful for him when he came after us.
21:45I was like, Brian, he's got you beat.
21:47Yes.
21:47Oh, yeah.
21:48Oh, yeah.
21:49So that's, well, that's so interesting that you really had to make a decision about somebody
21:55based on the time.
21:57Now, when you were, though, at your dinners, because you have a couple of your alone dates,
22:02did you get more time than we saw on camera to actually be able to talk?
22:06Yes, you definitely, we, we, those dates are probably about an hour, maybe a little bit
22:10longer.
22:11It's not even that long.
22:12But you see seven minutes at best of it.
22:16So we do get more time with each other.
22:18And then, like, there are some moments where there's, the camera's not on you and you're,
22:21you might be standing there and you might talk to each other.
22:24Like, I remember Brian and I were in the car one time together and it just wasn't filmed.
22:29Peter and I got to travel.
22:30We went on that glacier and we had to come back in a car and we were together the whole
22:34time without, without a camera.
22:36So, like, there was debt producers around, but we still had time off camera.
22:40Right.
22:40So that you get to have longer conversations.
22:43Well, because there are those, there are contestants that are just, are clearly there
22:48to become famous.
22:50Sure.
22:51And was that easy to tell?
22:53For me, it was.
22:54And I, I'm, I don't always get things right, but I do feel like I can read people well.
22:59And it was a good skill to have, obviously, in this situation.
23:03And so there was one obvious.
23:06I had the Waboom guy, do y'all remember?
23:07Oh, yeah.
23:08That was clear what he was there for.
23:10But you know what's crazy?
23:11We got along so well that y'all didn't see.
23:13Like, if he had put down the megaphone and the t-shirts, he probably would have stayed
23:17longer and not engaged in some of the drama in the house.
23:21We, he was older and he, like, went to Berkeley.
23:24And so we would have these really good conversations that people didn't get to see.
23:27But it was obvious he was there for fame.
23:30So for the wedding, are you going to be having some of the other bachelor and bachelorettes?
23:36Is there going to be a heavy bachelor contingent?
23:38So I wouldn't say heavy.
23:40I told them originally none of them are coming.
23:42And that, that was just because they-
23:44Corinne probably flipped out.
23:47Corinne, it will be invited for sure.
23:49But not all the girls will.
23:51And I do get along with all the girls that I was on next season with.
23:54So it's hard, but I really am kind of ruthless when it comes to this wedding.
23:58And I'm like, who do I-
23:59Vanessa won't come.
24:00And it's-
24:01Vanessa's not-
24:02Wait, she was not nice to you.
24:04She wasn't, but we've since made up.
24:06Like, we both just had-
24:07It was on both of us.
24:10And so we are, we've since, we're cool with each other, but not cool enough to where
24:14I wouldn't be expected to be invited to her wedding and vice versa.
24:17Only people I talk to consistently are coming.
24:19Did you not get along because you both were, you seriously were both interested in Nick?
24:25No, that's not why I didn't get along with her.
24:27I sat back and I observed certain things in the house that I wasn't comfortable with.
24:32And I'm like, I don't have to be close with everybody.
24:35That's not something I really want to be affiliated with.
24:37So I just stuck to my girls and I had my core of friends.
24:40And it was fine when there were a lot of people in the house.
24:43But as the numbers got smaller, it was very obvious that I was avoiding her.
24:48And so I think that's when things came to a head and things were misinterpreted as maybe
24:52I was ostracizing her, but I just was staying away from her.
24:55And that was my personal thing.
24:57And so we just didn't get along towards the end.
25:02Oil and, what did Hannah and Caitlin say the other day?
25:05Oil and vinegar?
25:07Oil and water?
25:07Yeah, oil and water.
25:08And some people are.
25:09There's a lot of girls in that house.
25:11But it's interesting because she also had forced Nick to have serious conversations.
25:17Yeah, she did.
25:18And she was one of the older ones in the house.
25:20And I think for her, it was very serious.
25:21I mean, because like she said, my family, I'm very close with my family.
25:24You live here.
25:25I live in a different country.
25:27And she was taking it seriously.
25:29And I respected that with her too.
25:32And I think that that's why maybe there was some contention at the end too,
25:34because it was very real for her.
25:36And I will always say that about her process.
25:38It was real for her.
25:39I don't think, I never thought she was in it for anything other than for him.
25:45So who else will be going to your wedding?
25:48So I'm close with Astrid, Raven, Alexis, Whitney, Christina, Corinne.
25:56Those are for sure people.
25:58Yeah.
25:58Because those are people that I talk to regularly.
26:00Yeah.
26:01And you guys always go out together like when you're all in LA.
26:03Because I know Corinne well.
26:04So I like always, I love you guys all together.
26:07It was so fun.
26:08I do.
26:10I am very fortunate with the group of girls that I was on next season with.
26:13They're just a different breed.
26:15I watch girls on other seasons.
26:16And I'm like, I don't know if I would have fit in with that bunch.
26:19I had a great group of women.
26:20You really did.
26:21And what about some of the other male contestants?
26:25Did Brian get close to any of them?
26:27It's weird.
26:28When you win, for lack of better words, you're kind of separated from the other man.
26:33The other men all have this group chat where they like talk bad about the lead.
26:38Even the women do it.
26:39The women do it too.
26:40You know?
26:40There's this group chat that they invite you.
26:42And even the producers warn you about it.
26:43They're like, don't get in that group chat.
26:45I think reality Steve is in that group chat, which is how he spoils things because I'm
26:49just not a bad idea that he knows everything and people talk about everything in these group
26:54chats.
26:54And so if you win, you're not in it.
26:57So you don't have that camaraderie that those guys have because they don't want you to
27:02be, they don't want you to hear them talking about whoever you chose.
27:05Right.
27:06And so he has some that he's close to.
27:08Definitely.
27:09Definitely.
27:10There's some that he's close to like Matt on my season.
27:14You didn't see a lot of him, but he was, he was one of the good ones.
27:17Is Matt the Canadian too?
27:18No.
27:19Matt is from Connecticut.
27:20Okay.
27:21And a lot of people were like, he came in a penguin outfit and they were like, how did
27:23you make it so far?
27:24And I'm like, he was such a good guy.
27:26I cried really, really hard when he left.
27:29Nobody talks about that, but I did.
27:30They showed it.
27:32But Adam will probably be there because of Raven.
27:36Kevin will probably be there with Astrid and then Matt, Eric, that's, that's who he's
27:41close to.
27:41Well, I think that's a decent contingency, but Chris Harrison is not like, he's not.
27:48He's not officiating.
27:50He's invited.
27:51I'm inviting several people like behind the scenes and yeah, like that.
27:55I was close with like, actually the lady who did my makeup on the show is going to do
27:58my makeup for the wedding.
28:01Carrie, the stylist is going to come to my final fitting because I still talk to these
28:05people.
28:05I'm still close with them.
28:06And so they'll be at the wedding.
28:07Well, it's how you found love.
28:09Yeah.
28:09I mean, and you do, you know, you'll pay tribute to that.
28:12Now I really want to talk about after the final rose and what you thought of last night's
28:17finale, but also how it compares to yours and the essay that you had written after Becca's
28:22season.
28:22So you see, they've never done what they did with me again to any other contestant because
28:28it was so much.
28:31So normally what happens is as the lead, you get every episode before, like three or four
28:36days before it airs, you get to see it.
28:38So it's nice because you can sit down with your significant other.
28:41You can kind of prepare them for, oh, sorry, I made out with this person.
28:44You have to have those tough conversations.
28:46It's very, very hard.
28:48So you have that.
28:50Well, for the finale, for me, for the first time, they did not let me watch it before.
28:56Normally you get to watch it behind the scenes.
28:58They had me watch it on stage in front of a live audience and sit there for three hours.
29:03That's so hard.
29:04Never happened before because they thought, oh, she can handle it.
29:08She can't control her facial expressions.
29:10So that'll be good TV.
29:11And we can get natural reactions out of her.
29:15Now, just remind us, in the fantasy suites, did you do more than one?
29:21I had three fantasy suites, yeah.
29:23But was it serious in more than one?
29:26Maybe.
29:27They were all serious to me.
29:29I will say they were all serious to me because I had a list of questions that I was asking the
29:36men.
29:37And that was very important for me.
29:39Like, yes, we were alone, but I need to ask you questions that I don't get to ask on camera.
29:44You know, like politics.
29:45That was like so big for me.
29:48Politically, I needed to know what you think.
29:50You know, religion, where do you stand?
29:51How do you want to raise kids?
29:53Those were, I had a long list of questions.
29:55I actually found my list the other day that I had on.
29:58Those are super, super important questions.
29:59Yeah.
29:59And then I took questions that my family had from meeting the men.
30:02I took questions that his family had with me.
30:05I wrote them down.
30:06It was very serious for me.
30:09And then I'm like, we can have fun.
30:10Right.
30:10But like, let's get down to business first.
30:13So they were all serious in that regard.
30:15That's as far as I'll go with that.
30:16Let's just say I had a lot of fun.
30:18And then the final episode, though, is just the two, right?
30:22Because that's the typical final episode is just the two.
30:26No, it's three.
30:27Well, now it's three starting with my season and they changed it again.
30:31So they had me deal with Eric on stage for the first time.
30:35And then I'm watching our breakup and watching how it's edited.
30:38And then they had me do the same thing with Peter, which I knew it was an emotional breakup.
30:43And I had already told Brian about it.
30:45I was like, you're going to have a hard time watching it.
30:48It was very real.
30:49But I can always say that in the moment I gave it my all and I saw everything through.
30:53What they didn't show you is that I walked in going to send him home that night.
30:58But we had a maybe a five hour breakup.
31:01I'm not even exaggerating.
31:03Wow.
31:03Why was it?
31:04Why so long?
31:05It was like he wanted to keep talking.
31:07He wanted me to stay the night.
31:09He wanted like it was hard for me to say goodbye to, you know, if you wanted to see the whole
31:14thing through, like talk everything out, have that closure conversation, because for me,
31:18I knew it was going to be it.
31:19So it's like I wanted to talk it out.
31:22And then he was revealing new feelings to me in this conversation.
31:25I wasn't ready for that.
31:26I always have said he reminds me of the guys that I dated before and just giving me just
31:31a little bit to stay to to stay along in the relationship.
31:34And so I was fighting those that old me versus what I knew was right for me.
31:40And it was it was a tough breakup and I've never denied it.
31:42But anyways, I have to watch all this on stage for the first time.
31:46Then he comes out and Chris Harrison says to me things like and he had this infamous line
31:51of saying, well, if you don't choose me, you're going to live a mediocre life.
31:56Right.
31:56I forgot he said that.
31:58It was three months ago.
31:59So I'm watching it and I'm like boiling.
32:00I'm like, he did say that to me, like the audacity to say that.
32:03Yeah.
32:04So Chris Harrison says to me, you seem angry.
32:08OK, I was mad about that because that's just I hadn't raised my voice.
32:12I hadn't rolled my eyes.
32:13I hadn't done anything.
32:14And it's just like you can't say that honestly to a black woman because then you're going
32:20to be labeled as the angry black female.
32:22Right.
32:23Which I was after that.
32:24Everybody talked about how angry and bitter I was.
32:28Then Peter comes and says after.
32:30Well, then I say, oh, well, you said I was living a mediocre life.
32:34I'm actually living my best life.
32:36And I like kind of like flip my hair and turn to the side.
32:38So when we come back from commercial, Peter goes, I feel like you attacked me.
32:43That's all I said.
32:45Social media ran with it.
32:46Articles.
32:47Rachel attacked him.
32:48Oh, she was so she's still upset.
32:50She's still bitter.
32:51That's who she wanted.
32:52She only wanted a ring.
32:54That's why she it was everything.
32:55The way it was set up, the questions that I was asked, it was it was a nightmare when
32:59it should have been the happiest day of my life.
33:01And people were so fixated.
33:03And our breakup was longer than my proposal and engagement airtime with Brian.
33:08So the whole thing, the whole drama was my breakup.
33:11And that's all they focused on.
33:14Fast forward to Becca's season, who I was so happy for.
33:17I was on her season.
33:18I was rooting for her.
33:20Yes.
33:20I like Becca.
33:21I still do to this day.
33:22I just think she's just like a genuine, great person.
33:25Anyways, she had controversy surrounding her season with the guy she picked and him liking
33:30certain pictures.
33:31And there was this whole thing about it.
33:33They didn't even really focus on that.
33:34They asked him like two questions and they moved on.
33:37You might not have agreed with her pick, but you saw the progression of her love story
33:41and you understood it.
33:42I didn't get that with Brian.
33:44They focused more on my relationship with Peter, my number two.
33:47I was upset about that.
33:49Becca also didn't sit on stage for three hours and get grilled and was put on like display
33:55that entire time.
33:56She got to hide behind the back, which is what you see now, and only was brought out
34:00at certain moments.
34:01I was very upset about that.
34:02So after watching Becca's season, it almost made me emotional.
34:06And I just put pen to the paper and I was blogging for Us Weekly at the time and I just
34:11wrote about the Bachelor franchise and do they care about you having a happy ending?
34:17For some people they do, for some they don't.
34:18And then I talked about all the feelings that I felt that day that I had never expressed
34:22before.
34:22One, because I was out of contract and so now I can voice that opinion.
34:26And I talked about being labeled an angry black female, being put on display for three
34:30hours.
34:31No one else had to do that.
34:32The things, the jabs that were thrown at me, not because my dress looked a certain way,
34:37not because I wore my hair and my makeup, because of the color of my skin.
34:40And I talked about that and how nobody has gone through that to this point.
34:46And I don't know if they ever will because they haven't had another lead of color, period.
34:50And so since then, I've just kind of taken a step back from the franchise.
34:55And I'm not anti it because I did find love and that is the goal.
35:01But I don't want to put myself in a position where I can be cut and pasted in a certain
35:06way for people to...
35:07For television.
35:08Yes.
35:08For traumatic television.
35:10Yeah.
35:10Which is what they were doing.
35:11Yeah.
35:11And I understand all of that.
35:13But to see it not happen with other people in the way that it happened with me was very,
35:17very upsetting.
35:18When, sad to say, you have to be sensitive about certain things because of the way people
35:22think.
35:22And because this was an audience that had never seen a person of color in this role before.
35:26And they played into certain stereotypes.
35:28Right.
35:28It was really upsetting to me.
35:29They could have been great.
35:31And they blew it.
35:32Mm-hmm.
35:32Yeah.
35:33To this day, people still question.
35:35Even with what happened in Colton and Cassie's season, people are still tweeting at me and
35:39messaging me and saying, well, at least Colton followed his heart.
35:42Unlike you, you followed a ring.
35:44Because of how it was shown on the show.
35:46But I don't understand.
35:47Because...
35:48They thought you liked that ring better or something?
35:50They thought all I wanted to do was be engaged.
35:52And that's how the show showed it.
35:54But if you only wanted to be engaged, then you could have chosen Peter.
35:57Well, no, but Peter pulled a little trassie.
36:01Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:02He got a little cold feet.
36:03He wasn't ready.
36:04He wasn't ready.
36:05That's right.
36:06He wasn't ready.
36:06And so they're like, well, if that's who you...
36:08Then why did he take so long to break up if he wasn't ready?
36:12Well, he actually said, I'll propose to you if that's what you want.
36:15Right.
36:16But nobody heard that.
36:17And it was aired.
36:19And I still said, no.
36:21One, because he wasn't what I wanted.
36:23And even if he was, that wouldn't be the way that I wanted it.
36:26But so it just was like, now I'm getting compared to that season two.
36:31It's like people won't let it go.
36:33And it's all because of how it was aired.
36:35When all I wanted to do was send him home because I didn't think it was right for him
36:40to be standing up there at the end when I knew what I was going to do.
36:43And you knew from day one that it was Brian.
36:45But the edit didn't show that.
36:48And I even remember being like, who's Brian?
36:50You probably didn't even realize who Brian was until you had five people left.
36:54Because they just didn't give him the airtime.
36:57They didn't build it.
36:58And Hannah G, I was pretty proud of her the other day.
37:02Because she was like, and now I've realized that my edit didn't really, you guys don't
37:05really know who I am at all.
37:06Because all they showed was her like half naked and kissing him the whole time.
37:10She came off like an airhead.
37:12Right.
37:12And getting the southern etiquette.
37:15Right.
37:15And that was it.
37:16Whereas, and she's mad.
37:19She's definitely mad too.
37:20She, I really liked her and the way she handled herself in the finale.
37:24I did too.
37:25And I was like, wow, there was so much more to her that we just didn't get to see.
37:28Yeah.
37:28And I was, that's how I felt too.
37:30I was shocked because I thought, wow, I'm really liking Hannah G.
37:34And I'd never really felt like she was a person before.
37:37Right.
37:37Because they didn't show us that.
37:39And they didn't show us your side of the relationship with Brian.
37:42And they were focusing on, you know, Peter with the like steamy hair and whatever.
37:46And that's why people were so confused.
37:49And I, and I understand it.
37:50That's what I have come out and said too.
37:52I get why people are confused.
37:54I get why people think that I, because that's what everyone was saying.
37:58Oh, she just wanted to ring.
37:59So she settled for what was a sure thing.
38:01I totally understand why someone would say that because that is how it looks watching the show.
38:05Well, I kept wondering why you kept Peter around because he didn't seem to be ready yet.
38:11Like just like how Colton wasn't ready.
38:13He didn't, he wasn't ready.
38:14Oh, not, not, not Colton.
38:16Cassie.
38:17For me, he was always the guy I liked second best.
38:21And so you do keep the people around.
38:23Like there was a point where I was going to send him home when there were the top three.
38:26But then I thought, well, Eric has already professed his love.
38:31And I would hate to make him think that it's even further down.
38:34At least Peter hasn't confessed feelings of love yet.
38:37So it'll be easier to send him home because he's not there yet.
38:41Right.
38:41And then we get to the breakup.
38:43And he's like, there was logic.
38:46There has to be, right.
38:47Yeah.
38:48And when I was trying to break up with him, he was like, no, I'm in love with you.
38:51These feelings are new.
38:51So it's like, then he said that and it was like, this was supposed to be an easy breakup.
38:56You don't even love me.
38:57So it's like, it's whatever.
38:59Right.
38:59And then they didn't show that.
39:00No, they showed him saying, I'm in love with you.
39:02Right.
39:02But they didn't show her reaction.
39:04They saw, heard what they wanted to hear.
39:06They saw what they wanted to see.
39:09And Brian looked like the charming Rico Suave Miami guy who was just like, they made him
39:18look slimy a little bit.
39:19I'm not even going to lie.
39:20They did.
39:21And they kind of made his mom look crazy.
39:22Like I remember his mom, like they made his mom look like crazy because it was like the
39:25whole storyline with like his ex-girlfriend not getting along with her.
39:28Okay.
39:29His mom, I would love her to be like, I want to be her friend.
39:32Like she is epic.
39:33She's so much fun.
39:34She's so fun.
39:35I was worried.
39:36I do agree that I was, I didn't think they made Brian look slimy, but I was worried about
39:42you with his mom, the way they portrayed her.
39:44Cause I thought, oh no, she's not going to be welcoming.
39:47She's going to be interfering in your life.
39:50No, she's like, you love my son.
39:52I love you.
39:52And she actually said that they just didn't air that part.
39:55And for Brian, they played into every Latin stereotype possible.
39:59If you even go back and watch when he comes into the room, they play Spanish music.
40:04Like why?
40:05I just don't get it.
40:07And it's things you don't notice, but subconsciously, like that's, that's, you're watching that.
40:12Right.
40:12And you're like, ah, cause he's Latino and very in touch with his Latino side.
40:17Yeah.
40:17Yeah.
40:18They played into every stereotype.
40:20And so they know their audience.
40:22They know what they're doing.
40:23There's a reason this show has been on for 17 years.
40:26And that's what I tell people.
40:27And sometimes people are critical of me because they're like, well, you talk about the way
40:31things were edited with you.
40:32How could you be so critical of Cassie and Colton?
40:35And I'm like, well, I'm not that critical.
40:37I'm actually rooting for them because I would want people to find it, but it's not critical
40:41when the girl ran away from you, when the girl is giving you every single reason to send
40:47her home.
40:47And she keeps telling you, I don't want to commit a relationship.
40:49I don't know.
40:50That's not edited.
40:52That's just what she said.
40:54She kept saying she was so confused and she didn't know if she could get there.
40:58Well, so I take it that you're not having your wedding filmed.
41:03No, I am not.
41:04For a special, a TV special.
41:06Not for television, at least, for memories.
41:07Not for television.
41:07I will tell you, and I actually haven't said this before, but I'm going to do something
41:12with the show to show, I think they want to do something where it shows, you know, we
41:18do support their relationship and maybe we didn't show it in the best way.
41:22So there will be something.
41:23I'm not going to have a full out special or anything, but you will see something in the
41:26future of Brian and I sitting down that will be in some type of Bachelor related
41:31thing, but they will not be at our wedding.
41:34Will it be a separate, like a separate episode?
41:36No, it'll be in conjunction with something else that they're doing, but they'll do something
41:42for us.
41:42Like a little clip at the end of Paradise or something like that.
41:46A little homage.
41:47I honestly don't know how it'll play out, but I know that they want to do something.
41:51Yeah.
41:51So stay tuned.
41:52Okay.
41:53So we can look forward to a special.
41:55Will it be after the wedding or before the wedding?
41:58Before the wedding.
41:59Before the wedding.
42:00Okay.
42:00Okay.
42:00Now let's talk about Colton and Cassie.
42:03Oh, let's go.
42:05Let's go.
42:06Have you met them in person?
42:08No, but here's a funny story.
42:10So I'm very close with the stylist, Carrie Fetman.
42:15And I was staying in his place.
42:17I usually do when I go to LA and it's separated in three floors.
42:21So I'm downstairs in the room, in the bed, and I can hear someone in the room next to me.
42:28And it's like, as you can tell, they're moving around, going through boxes.
42:31And I'm like, what is that?
42:32And Carrie never comes downstairs.
42:35So I go, Carrie, is that you?
42:37And the voice goes, no, it's Colton.
42:40And he said, I said, oh my God, like I'm in like sleep clothes, the door's closed.
42:45At the time I was wearing a wig.
42:46I was like, I don't even have my wig on.
42:48This is so embarrassing.
42:50I was like, this is embarrassing.
42:52And he goes, Rachel, is that you?
42:54And I go, oh God, I go, don't come in here.
42:56That's as close as I've gotten to Colton.
42:58And he was like, I'm just looking for something and like ran out.
43:01So no, I haven't met him officially.
43:03I've met him through a door.
43:04Through a door.
43:05And I've never met Cassie.
43:07But you aren't, how do you feel about the future of their relationship?
43:13So I, the one thing I do like hold back on is trying to predict how I think they're going
43:19to be because there was just so much negativity around my own and people still don't think Brian
43:25and I are going to make it until we actually walk down the aisle.
43:27So who knows what can happen?
43:29However, I will say she is so impressionable and she is so easily influenced by her family
43:37and they weren't at the finale.
43:39Know that.
43:40Mind you, they live in California.
43:42So it was nothing for them to be there.
43:44And you've seen in these past few seasons, families come.
43:47I said that yesterday.
43:49Why didn't they come?
43:50I don't think they're on board with it.
43:52They're a very religious and traditional family, which I come from that as well.
43:55And it sounds like they are thinking about living together.
43:59That's probably against their beliefs.
44:01Yeah, Colton said he's moved to California to be near her.
44:03Yeah.
44:04And that's against, and I mean, as a parent watching, they're seeing their daughter.
44:08I mean, her dad flew to Portugal to say, I know you, you're not ready.
44:11If you were, this is what you would have said.
44:13They know their child.
44:14And I think that Colton is chasing, chasing, very close to smothering her.
44:20And I think that the family sees it that way.
44:23I don't think they're 100% on board when it comes to that.
44:25But as far as their relationship goes, I think that she's, the ball's in her court.
44:31She's running it.
44:32And as long as Colton is fine being in that position and letting her do things her way,
44:37the way she wants to, I think they'll be successful.
44:39My advice to them, though, is to stay out of the media and try to work on building the
44:44foundation of their relationship because now it's when it started.
44:47Not when you're in hiding for three months.
44:48This is it.
44:49Today, 5, 6 p.m. when they're done doing their media round and there are no more cameras
44:53in their face, that's going to be when it starts.
44:57So if you see them do another reality TV show or one of them does Dancing with the Stars,
45:02then I think their relationship is doomed.
45:04Like you enter another world where the cameras are all in your face and you're dancing 10
45:09hours a day and it's like you just got out of this TV world only to jump back in it.
45:15You're not nurturing the relationship that you have.
45:18For Brian and I, we went back home to Dallas.
45:21And did you deliberately not want to do Dancing with the Stars for that reason?
45:25I came out and said, I just, it's not for me.
45:27I want to focus on our relationship.
45:29We need time away from the camera.
45:31We went to Dallas.
45:31Then we went to Houston to see my extended family.
45:33Then we went to Miami to see his.
45:35We surrounded ourselves with people that are the most influential in our life.
45:39And I think that that really allowed us to be a strong force against all the negativity
45:44that we were facing from the media.
45:46And I would suggest Cassie and Colton do that.
45:49I don't think they will.
45:50I think that we will see them in front of cameras doing their own thing.
45:55And I think as long as they stay caught up in that whirlwind, they'll work as well.
46:01But they need to.
46:02Because they feel like they have to.
46:03Yeah, it's all very exciting.
46:06Can you imagine being 23 and this is your new life?
46:09Same thing I say with Hannah B. as The Bachelorette.
46:11She's having the time of her life right now.
46:14Yeah, what's not to like?
46:15Right, but then what happens?
46:18I have a community question from one of our members, Vicky Kaptur.
46:24She asks, when was the last time you remember getting bullied?
46:28And what did you do to combat it?
46:30Ooh, great question.
46:32I'm bullied every day.
46:35On social media?
46:36On social media.
46:37Which I will say, it's Vicky.
46:39Vicky.
46:39Vicky.
46:40Vicky, I'll say it is hard because I didn't come from this world.
46:42Right?
46:43I think I had like 400 followers on Instagram.
46:45I didn't even have a Twitter account when I did all of this.
46:48So it's a whole new world and it's hard.
46:52You know, people see me as confident and strong, but I definitely have my weak moments.
46:57So, I mean, I was literally just bullied the other day on Instagram because people are comparing,
47:02again, questioning my relationship and basically calling me Ring Lindsay.
47:07That's what they call me on Twitter.
47:08That's awful.
47:09And are saying that I followed a ring and I should have done what Colton did and followed
47:15my heart as if I didn't.
47:17Right.
47:18But I'm getting all of that again.
47:20It's like digging it all up, things that happened two years ago.
47:23So the best way for me to combat it is, one, to not entertain it.
47:27Some things you just can't help but see.
47:29You know, you're not looking for it.
47:30It finds you.
47:31But my biggest advice is knowing who you are and knowing your worth and your value and not
47:36measuring it by other people's standards is the healthiest way to combat it.
47:42Don't play into it.
47:43I used to clap back at people.
47:45Don't do that either.
47:46That's a rabbit hole.
47:47It's a waste of time.
47:49Right.
47:49Yeah.
47:49You can't win.
47:50It just won't do anything for you.
47:51So just stay strong in who you are and don't let other people's opinions define you.
47:57And that's how I combat it.
47:59I love it.
47:59I love it so much.
48:00And I'm just going to shout out quickly all of our members.
48:03Lord Pumpkin, Lindy Korn, Anne Kay, Watching and Making with Wolf Girl, Shauna Battle, Ethan,
48:11Vicky, Likey Licks, Chula Mommy, Bruna Daniels, The Co-op 2, Kaylee Beloka, Nija Mooma Mooma,
48:19Leah 3, Tony Hovinsatz, Franklin McLeod, Jessica Kent, Kelly Faith, Porcelain Moon, Mon Vibat,
48:25Preston, Alexander Rossi, Nightrunner, Tyler Flays, and Maria Underwood.
48:28We have a lot of them.
48:29Hey, guys.
48:31Now, I've got another question about sort of wedding personal stuff.
48:35And then we want to hear about your exciting kind of new career that you're pursuing.
48:40So what about kids?
48:42Are you planning?
48:44I'm like ready.
48:45I have the worst baby fever.
48:48I see a child and I'm just like, give them to me.
48:50We'll babysit.
48:50I don't even know the kids.
48:52I do that too.
48:53It is so in me.
48:54I mean, I'm going to be 34 next month.
48:56I told Brian, Brian's 39 already.
48:58I said, Brian, the moment that we like hoping, I think because my parents would just die if
49:03it happens before.
49:04They're like Cassie's parents.
49:05They're very traditional.
49:06They die.
49:08If it happens the way that we would like for it to, I'm like going to want to start trying
49:12as soon as we get married.
49:14Like you're like in the Caribbean.
49:15Yeah.
49:16I am like ready.
49:17Yeah.
49:17So you'll be off the birth control.
49:21Already not on birth control.
49:22Oh, so it could happen.
49:24Yeah.
49:24That's why I say like, yeah, you're like, we're trying.
49:27Yeah.
49:27Now I'm kind of scared to get on it just because I'm like older.
49:30So it's like, I just, I don't want to start it again.
49:33Start.
49:34I haven't been on it in years.
49:35So I'm just like, I don't want to start now.
49:37The hormones are just a lot for like some people's body.
49:40It's like, I just didn't like me too.
49:42So I just, yeah.
49:43Yeah.
49:43But I mean, if you're, you can be more careful than others.
49:47So, so you're going to stop being careful probably like close to the wedding.
49:53Yeah.
49:53I'm like ready.
49:54I'm so ready for kids.
49:56You guys.
49:56Plus you're going to want to be able to drink at the wedding.
49:58Like that's what I always think of.
50:00Well, I didn't even think about that.
50:01Yeah.
50:01I do always think about that.
50:03Sacrifices can be made.
50:05You want to get drunk at the wedding.
50:06And then I do.
50:07I so do.
50:08But then, you know, everyone would notice if I wasn't drinking at the wedding.
50:11You can't say, oh, I'm, I'm on a cleanse.
50:14No.
50:14On your wedding?
50:15No.
50:15No.
50:15On a cleanse.
50:16Start trying like two weeks before or something.
50:20And then you won't know.
50:20Or like a month before.
50:21You still won't know.
50:22That's right.
50:23I mean, I don't know.
50:24I'm not pregnant.
50:25I've never been pregnant.
50:26But this is just, my friend was on a bachelorette with me last year and she was pregnant and
50:29she didn't know.
50:30And literally, girl drank a lot.
50:33And the baby's fine.
50:34Yeah.
50:35But it happens a lot.
50:37Yes.
50:37On the unexpected pregnancies.
50:38Well, my first was a surprise and I was on birth control and he was still a surprise.
50:44Whoa.
50:45And I, and yes, we were drinking.
50:47Like we went out for drinks and dinners and stuff because I had no idea.
50:51No, it happened.
50:51You know, they used to in the old days.
50:53The old days.
50:53I don't think you can drink.
50:55There's a lot.
50:55No, I'm talking about like back in like, I'm talking about back in like the 1400s when
51:00like they'd give whiskey to the people having babies so they wouldn't hurt.
51:03They also had a lot of children that were born in the 1400s that have issues.
51:08But anyway, but my, my oldest, he's fine.
51:12So, but still, you know, so, um, I'm glad to hear that you're planning to have kids and
51:18we'll be starting very shortly.
51:20Right.
51:21And now the question is, am I going to like have them all over Instagram like other people
51:26do?
51:26I don't know if I'm going to do that.
51:29I feel like you wouldn't.
51:30Will you introduce the baby on Instagram?
51:34Probably.
51:34I think it's, it's hard.
51:36It's like a tough line because I don't want to exploit my children, but people are also
51:41so invested in your relationship and your wedding because you found it all in front
51:46of everyone.
51:47So there, it's like, it's a fine line.
51:49I have to do something, but I can't do, I won't go to the extreme that other people
51:53are going.
51:54You mean, um, creating an Instagram for your baby when it's still in the womb?
51:57And how, that fall, that baby has a lot of followers.
52:01Yeah.
52:01And I don't know why, because nobody likes them.
52:04I'm just kidding.
52:05I'm just kidding.
52:06I think people are like coming around.
52:07Yeah.
52:08They seem really cute and perfect for each other.
52:12Well, you can also introduce your baby on Hollywood life.
52:15Yeah.
52:16Yeah.
52:17We would love to have the first photos of your baby.
52:21You don't have to do it.
52:22We can.
52:22Yeah.
52:23And we will be, um, and there's no comments on Hollywood life.
52:27Oh yeah.
52:28So it's a safe place.
52:30You're reeling me in.
52:31Yeah.
52:31It's a safe place to introduce your baby.
52:33You can't be bullied.
52:34But before you have a baby, you have your ESPN radio show, which we definitely want to
52:39talk about very quick.
52:40My new baby.
52:41Your new baby.
52:41Your, your first, first born.
52:43Yes.
52:44So I think a lot of people are, I was billed as an attorney, but you don't know the path I
52:48got to become an attorney.
52:49So I was a sports management major at the university of Texas.
52:52Then I went to Marquette law strictly for sports law.
52:54And then any lawyer will tell you whatever you do in school, like you end up doing something
52:58completely different.
52:59But I always have had this love and passion for sports.
53:02And another thing people assume is that because I was with ABC, that ESPN is a natural progression.
53:10Not true.
53:11I did go to ESPN right after the show and they were like, we like you, but our sports audience
53:17doesn't know who you are.
53:18It doesn't relate to you.
53:19They don't watch the bachelorette.
53:20Yeah.
53:20They're into sports.
53:21Yeah.
53:21They're like, you don't relate.
53:23So no.
53:24And like Jordan Rogers did that.
53:26Jojo's fiance, but he played football.
53:28His brother's Aaron Rogers.
53:30There's a difference.
53:31He's a male.
53:32There's a difference.
53:33With females, you need a little bit more credibility.
53:35So I thought, okay, that was a door that was closed.
53:38I went to another network door closed.
53:40So I thought, okay, I'll just start doing this on my own.
53:42And so I just started making my own real.
53:45I did work for Facebook, stadium through sports.
53:48I tapped into the entertainment side.
53:49I would appear guest host, do things for free, fly myself out there until somebody noticed
53:55me at ESPN gave me a chance on the biggest stage on TV.
53:59And from then on, I got a contract with them.
54:02And so I've been doing radio, which I had a show, a football show this football season.
54:07And now I do a sports radio show or sports talk show, and it's called GTL.
54:12It's 12 to 4 p.m. Eastern on ESPN radio, the app, and Sirius XM channel 80.
54:18And I'm with two other guys.
54:19We have so much fun doing it.
54:21You should definitely tune in.
54:23I bet you do.
54:23Yeah.
54:23Everybody tune in to Sirius XM channel 80 or on the app 12 to 4 to listen to Rachel.
54:32And you also do live Twitter shows, don't you?
54:35Yes.
54:36Yes.
54:37I do.
54:38So basketball right now is what I'm starting with.
54:40So college basketball, we've got the March Madness tournament coming up.
54:43We're doing a live Twitter show on the 21st.
54:46It'll be from 12 p.m. to 1 a.m.
54:49Oh, my gosh.
54:50Eastern.
54:50I won't be on the whole time, but it's such a fun show.
54:53The guys that are so great that are doing it.
54:55And it's just fun to fill out your brackets, even if you're not into basketball.
54:58And then I'll do NBA shows as well, hoping to do it again for the playoffs.
55:02And we do a pregame show where we preview the two teams and talk about some of the surrounding
55:07stories around those teams and then just what's going on in the league.
55:10Well, I say ESPN needs you.
55:13Absolutely.
55:13They really do.
55:14They need more women for sure.
55:15They need more women.
55:16And also women who can, I'm not saying dumb it down for other girls, but who can explain
55:23it in terms that girls will understand and relate to?
55:28No, honestly, I love that you say that because something that I am working on.
55:31Oh, OK.
55:32Yeah.
55:32Go for it.
55:33Go for it.
55:33I am working on.
55:34And the only thing is because I haven't trademarked the name of it.
55:36Yeah.
55:37But I want to do something on social media where I am helping and not just I started
55:42off wanting it to be women.
55:43But I'm like, why does it have to be gender specific?
55:45There are a lot of guys that don't watch sports.
55:47Yeah.
55:47But sports has helped me so much get invited to like the all boys lunch or even if when
55:52I was dating, be on a date and be conversational when it comes to sports.
55:56So I want to create something that's a quick rundown of what's happening this week in sports
56:01just so like and I want to dish it out first thing Monday morning.
56:05So if you're grabbing your coffee at work, if you're going on like some type of online
56:09dating app, you just want to like have pillow talk with your husband or you're just like
56:13at a watch party and you have no idea what to say.
56:15I just want to give you little nuggets that help you fake it till you make it.
56:19And you're able to talk sports.
56:21Yeah.
56:21And where will this run?
56:23Where will this run?
56:23I love that.
56:24I love that idea so much.
56:26I actually pitched that idea to them and they're like, oh, our audience isn't into sports.
56:30I will do this with you.
56:31I love it.
56:32Where will this run, this idea?
56:34So right now, I think I'm just going to do it for fun on my social media.
56:36It's super informal and we'll see if it gets picked up and if it's something else because
56:41it's you're right.
56:42It's not saying dumb down.
56:44It's just like, I'm just going to help you fake it.
56:46Like, oh my God, I cannot believe, you know, Kyler Murray's throwing today or whatever.
56:49And then you might understand it and might be interested in it.
56:52And, you know, you're telling them just what they need to know.
56:55It doesn't mean that they have to, I don't know.
56:57I just know that I used to sit and watch with my parents who are huge sports fans and I would
57:01ask them questions and they would give me a great breakdown of it.
57:05And because they're coaches themselves, so they could talk like that and explain it to
57:09me.
57:09But no one, my friends don't, you know, get it or know that stuff and they want to.
57:14Well, Rachel, it's been so great to have you here and have fun wedding dress shopping because
57:20that's your next mission.
57:22And have even more fun baby making.
57:28I will.
57:29And be sure to let us know when you have news.
57:33And we really wish you well on the wedding and on moving to Miami.
57:38And it's all very exciting.
57:39So we want to keep in touch with everything.
57:41And everyone, don't forget to turn into her, to listen to her Sirius XM show.
57:45Thank you so much for having me, guys.
57:47It's been fun.
57:47Okay, really fun.
57:48Next time you and Brian can come in together post-wedding and do a little recap, we'll come
57:52back.
57:53Okay, good.
57:54Okay, that's got to be a promise.
57:56Oh, I promise.
57:56I think you swear.
57:57I keep my word.
57:57She does.
57:58Okay, good.
57:58I'm sure.
57:59Okay.
57:59I'm like, she does because I met her an hour ago and we're literally, that's
58:03okay, everybody.
58:06Thank you, Rachel.
58:08And good luck.
58:09Rachel Lindsay, bachelorette, and she's going to be bride soon.
58:13Bye-bye.
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