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The Real Housewives Orange County S19E20
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00:00Tonight, the reunion concludes.
00:12Heather, like, seeing you wake and bake mushrooms.
00:15Who are you?
00:17Does anyone still have their painted dick from Amsterdam?
00:20I just have a broken dick, that's all.
00:23Katie, we have a conversation we need to have.
00:26Because when I was in the trailer, I got a call.
00:29I felt badly for Gina as her friend.
00:31Why do you have to be an asshole all the time?
00:33You're an asshole all the time.
00:34You want to talk about an asshole all the time, that's you.
00:36But the post came from somewhere.
00:38A lot of accounts in these posts were tied to camera.
00:41I'm going to show you an interaction after cameras went down.
00:49That's insane.
00:50I didn't do this!
00:51It's up!
00:52This is life destroying.
00:54We didn't do this.
00:56We are not playing a game of survivor.
00:59This is bullshit and this is an ambush.
01:02This has got to stop.
01:04This is not what this show is about.
01:10Welcome back to the Real Housewives of Orange County reunion.
01:15From exotic locales such as Amsterdam to New Orleans,
01:19to Heather Dubrow's penthouse, the Orange County women were elite in the art of tripping,
01:26so to speak, especially when space cakes and mushrooms were on the menu.
01:31I love this watch.
01:32I feel like I'm waiting for you!
01:34I feel like I'm waiting for you!
01:36Girls trip, number one priority.
01:38Cheers!
01:39Show me your tits!
01:40Is to have fun.
01:43I baptized you the name of Emily.
01:45I'm not vibing with the voodoo.
01:46I eat, bubba!
01:47I want to be spanked.
01:48I'm just waking.
01:49Good evening.
01:49Oh, put your dick away!
01:52Do we need to stay in front of the waiter?
01:54Bottoms up.
01:55Cheap up.
01:56Shoot her back.
01:57I think I do feel these mushrooms.
01:59A gummy is five milligrams.
02:01Just take a bite.
02:04Come in here.
02:06This is a little creepy for me.
02:09Wait, that was your feet!
02:10This is a house of horrors.
02:16Sometimes moms need a night out, and it's not a night to remember.
02:19Maybe it's just a night to forget.
02:21Am I going to be looking at your vagina all night?
02:23That's the point.
02:24I'm just...
02:25I mean, this is exhausting.
02:27Should I have to go home now?
02:28I think I could go home now.
02:30Oh, that was cute.
02:31It was fun seeing you all have fun.
02:34And I have to say, Shannon, when you were sitting there,
02:38and you thought you heard the theme song for the show?
02:40It was.
02:41Was it, guys?
02:42Oh, I wasn't there.
02:43I don't think it was.
02:44No, no, no, no, no, no.
02:45I wasn't there.
02:45We couldn't hear it.
02:46She kept singing.
02:47No, no, no.
02:47But it didn't...
02:48She didn't know.
02:49It was!
02:50You thought I had a production.
02:52Sure.
02:53That was the real housewife music, wasn't it?
02:56Am I tripping?
02:57Just tell me it was the music, right?
02:59Yeah.
03:00Come on, you're screwing with me.
03:02She thought she has production.
03:03She has to plant in the corner.
03:04Yes, yes, yes, yes.
03:05I love that Shannon's when she's on pot.
03:10She needs to eat space cakes daily.
03:13It's so funny seeing all of your evolution over the years.
03:17And, I mean, I'm looking at you, Shannon.
03:19And, Heather, like, seeing you wake and bake mushrooms,
03:22and you're like, oh, yeah, oh, we're going to the tulip fields?
03:25Here we go.
03:26I mean, I just loved it.
03:28When did that happen?
03:29You know, my kids are older and, you know,
03:32just going to have a little fun.
03:33Why not?
03:34Right.
03:35Katie, Phillip in Cleveland said,
03:37you didn't know England was an island.
03:39You didn't know where the Mississippi River is.
03:42Can you name the two oceans the United States are flanked by?
03:47The Pacific and the Atlantic.
03:48But let me just say that when we were on the boat
03:51and I was looking for the river, it doesn't name it.
03:53And I actually went back.
03:53It doesn't say it.
03:54I kept going, like, what river are we on?
03:56I had no clue.
03:57Yeah, I had no clue we were there.
03:58Um, does anyone still have their painted dick from Amsterdam?
04:02No.
04:02I think that was left behind.
04:04It was.
04:04Yeah, I left side behind.
04:05It was.
04:06I just have a broken dick, that's all.
04:07Good one, Gretchen.
04:08Thanks.
04:10I just want to say one last thing, which is I thought it was very moving seeing you reconcile your past with your dad.
04:17I was in tears.
04:18And I just thought that was a beautiful moment to be able to do that and where you did it.
04:29And that must have been a little closure for you.
04:32It was cathartic.
04:33It felt so good.
04:34And I have to say thank you again to Emily.
04:36We had the best conversation right before about our parents, our upbringing, our parenting styles,
04:41our children, and we had so many similarities.
04:45And then to be able to just sit there and do that, it was amazing.
04:49I wish we could have all been there.
04:50It was great.
04:50Yeah.
04:51It was great.
04:52This season ended on a dark and dramatic note, to say the least.
04:56I want to start with the emotional final dinner in Amsterdam,
05:00where you all confronted Gretchen about her alleged social media activity.
05:04You are intentionally liking hate rhetoric.
05:08I don't know that I was doing that, so that's why I'm not.
05:10You did that.
05:11Okay.
05:12Gretchen, your immediate excuse about liking these posts was to say,
05:15if I liked something, I probably didn't know what it was about,
05:18and that you weren't paying attention to what you were liking.
05:21What did you mean by that?
05:24Um, well, listen, I just want to make it clear that there's absolutely no excuse
05:31for liking anything that has any sort of offensive, um, you know, sentiment to it.
05:38And I also want to make it very clear to every single one of you here that I completely denounce
05:47anything that it seems homophobic or transphobic or anything like that.
05:51I was very confused.
05:53I was in shock by what was being brought forward to me.
05:56Did you recognize any of the posts that you saw?
06:00No.
06:00You didn't.
06:01Which post are we talking about?
06:03The one.
06:05But you followed that account.
06:07I know you said that I followed that account.
06:09But at the end of the day, you know, I think we've all been guilty of scrolling,
06:16you know, mindlessly at night.
06:18And I might have seen something and I liked it.
06:20Not really looking at the content of the post or whatnot.
06:23I get that.
06:24But when you have a good friend that's sitting across the table from you, who's so emotional
06:29and so invested in this and really does not want this to be true.
06:33Yes.
06:33That was the, I get it that you were shocked in all this, but that was surprising to me
06:38that the girls had to say, go after Heather.
06:40I legitimately was like, wait, are they serious?
06:43Like they're actually saying this?
06:44Because I knew fundamentally that is not what I believed or who I was or who I've ever been in my life.
06:49You didn't know you were following all these hate accounts?
06:52There was so many.
06:53You didn't know?
06:54No.
06:54It wasn't one.
06:55One I would have rolled my eyes.
06:57The way that it was presented to me.
06:58200.
06:59No, I followed a lot.
07:01There were 200 of that feed?
07:02No, there wasn't.
07:03She unfollowed over 200 accounts when she got back from Amsterdam.
07:07And you know that they were all hate accounts?
07:10Yes.
07:11I mean, listen, I gravely apologize if I liked something that was offensive or something like
07:17that.
07:17But I will say that one post that was brought forward, it was very upsetting and very suspect to me.
07:27It doesn't align with who I am.
07:28But why would you follow a guy like that?
07:30Because that's all he does is post stuff like that.
07:32Right.
07:33And so I took steps to go and look at who I was following,
07:36because I had over 4,500 accounts or something I was following.
07:40Okay.
07:40And you know what?
07:42Maybe that's my mistake, that I had been following a lot of accounts that I
07:46really didn't know exactly everything that they were posting.
07:49I followed a lot of left-wing accounts.
07:51I followed a lot of right-wing accounts.
07:53Back in 2020, when the election was going on, that's why I followed a lot of those accounts.
07:57So I don't feel like I should be...
07:59It's a free country, by the way.
08:00You can follow right-wing accounts.
08:02I do, but I will say it was a good lesson for me to learn.
08:06And so I went and rectified and I went and looked a lot of the accounts that I was following.
08:11I was like, I do not stand for this.
08:13And I am not going to follow accounts that have this type of rhetoric.
08:17I don't know initially why I followed it.
08:18Maybe they had a post about God.
08:20Maybe they had a post about something.
08:22I don't, I can't tell you because it's a lot of accounts, the reason why I followed something.
08:26By the way, if you're following 4,500 accounts, it stands to reason that you are not seeing what most of these accounts are posting on a daily basis.
08:36Right.
08:36Can I say something to you?
08:37Yes.
08:38I've known you a very long time.
08:40Yes.
08:41I think 14 years.
08:42Yes.
08:42You have never been anything but kind to me and my family.
08:47And I never believed that you were that person.
08:50But I have people that I've had in my life for a long time that I thought were that way and found out some very disturbing things that go against my family.
09:00I understand that.
09:00My children specifically and everything I believe in.
09:03And it has shattered me.
09:05I will tell you that I have heard over the years rumblings of this kind of rhetoric from you in different communities that I have always chosen to ignore.
09:17But when I saw all these posts and saw that you liked them, this is what worries me.
09:24When you follow a multitude of hate mongers, what you're going to see in your For You page is hate.
09:32She's saying like ours is dogs, right?
09:34Ours is dogs.
09:35I'm saying yours is animals, but when you...
09:37Mine's fitness and dogs.
09:39It shows you what you follow.
09:41Mine's guys, housewives, and like Diana Ross.
09:44Yeah, like I have cake decorating and folding.
09:48But Heather, you've got to understand, that was a small percentage of all the accounts I follow.
09:53The last few days, have you been unliking Problematic Post?
09:56No, I told you guys that I...
09:58How do you know what she unliked?
09:59Yeah, that's weird too.
10:00How do you know that?
10:01I printed out two days ago posts that she still had likes on.
10:06And all but this one, making fun of Dylan about being on the Bud Light can,
10:11this is the only one that's still liked by you, Gretchen.
10:14Shouldn't she have unliked them?
10:15Yes.
10:16I mean, wasn't that the right thing to do?
10:18Yes, I did.
10:19Are you unliked?
10:20Okay.
10:20Wait, did you unfollow or unliked?
10:22Okay, but so then...
10:22Just be honest about it.
10:24Oh, okay.
10:25All right.
10:26She said she just...
10:27No, no, no, no, no, no.
10:28She said she just went through and she unfollowed him.
10:30As she should.
10:31Don't read that before you like it.
10:33I appreciate the accountability.
10:35It was a good lesson for me.
10:37I don't subscribe to this.
10:38I don't align with this.
10:39But the post came from somewhere.
10:41So if it's, you're telling all of us, if you, if it wasn't, where did it come from?
10:44Who posted it?
10:45You mean the original post?
10:46Yeah, where does, so then where did it come from?
10:48Well, that is the question.
10:50So when I went home, I hired a cyber analysis company and you said to me, Heather,
10:59I need you to prove to me it's not true.
11:02So I did.
11:11I spent thousands of dollars getting a cyber analysis done on these posts.
11:30And you can see it's a 25-page report.
11:34The most egregious post is a fabricated fake post.
11:39It's important to note that the time of our initial investigation,
11:42the most egregious and offensive post did not exist anywhere online.
11:46Our system detected it may be a combination of AI and some other image editing software.
11:50Did we have AI three years ago?
11:53Leading us to the conclusion that it's a manufactured post and could not be authenticated.
11:59I think with the word in there, it's probably a post that Instagram removed.
12:04This third-party cyber analysis company continued to do a lot of research on,
12:10on a lot of accounts that unfortunately were tied to Tamara.
12:13Oh my God.
12:16What does that mean?
12:18What does that mean?
12:19What does that mean?
12:19Okay, let's do my ass.
12:21I mean, I have nothing to do with this.
12:23Okay.
12:24How did you find that post?
12:25How did you find it?
12:26It's been cycling around social media for a long time.
12:29No, it never came on the two T's and a pod.
12:31Exactly.
12:32Let me finish.
12:33No.
12:33And so two years ago, it came through to Teddy.
12:37It was tweeted or X or whatever.
12:39You said a year ago.
12:40Now it's two years ago?
12:42I don't know.
12:42I can look it up on my phone if you really want to know the date.
12:45I don't know if it was a year ago or two years ago.
12:47I'm not quite sure.
12:49I know the post was from like 2022.
12:51You were the only person that knew anything about this.
12:54You knew about that Twitter feed.
12:55No, I wasn't the only person.
12:57Yes, you were.
12:58You were the only person.
12:59My God.
13:00And Gina, I really liked you, but it really was frustrating to me.
13:03Oh, my God.
13:04Because I had somebody call me and said that you and her were plotting and planning it together.
13:08Yeah, I know.
13:09Oh, I know.
13:09But you saw what you saw, Gretchen.
13:10And the reality is she brought it up to me when we were filming.
13:13Let me ask you this.
13:15Why, after you had made up with her several times, did you bring it up at the end?
13:20When did I bring it up, Andy?
13:21In Amsterdam.
13:22No, I didn't.
13:23You talked to her.
13:24I brought it up the night after her and Slade went after me.
13:28I'm saying you had resolved everything with her.
13:31Yes.
13:31And then you two talked about bringing it up at the end.
13:34Because any time I bring anything up, it's like, oh, my God, here Tamara goes.
13:38Here Tamara goes.
13:39But you did bring it up.
13:41I understand, but I'm saying what doesn't make sense to me is that you've had this for a long time.
13:45Right now.
13:45No, it's not like I was sitting on it.
13:48You said you knew about it for two years.
13:50You said that you've had it for over two years.
13:53What?
13:53That you've been sitting on it for two years.
13:55And I never even thought about it again until recently when you came on the show.
14:00Yeah, and you wanted to figure out how to weaponize it against me and harm me and hurt me.
14:04That's what you did.
14:04Then why didn't I bring it up the first day?
14:05I don't know, Tamara.
14:06I think she might.
14:07I think she might.
14:08Why is this changing into you?
14:09You're a homophobic bitch.
14:11I'm not.
14:11Yes, you are.
14:12I know it.
14:13You are so gross.
14:15But when you say tied to Tamara, what does that mean?
14:17You tied to Tamara how?
14:17Like you have to explain that.
14:18Yeah, I made this up.
14:20That's not what I said.
14:21There is a Twitter feed that Tamara happened to have on her phone that night.
14:24She was like, look at this.
14:26Here's this.
14:27That Twitter feed, that was the only feed that it was on.
14:30It had not been anywhere else, but on that Twitter feed.
14:33Wretched, it's all over Reddit.
14:35Now it is because you started putting it out everywhere.
14:38No, no, no, no.
14:40Tamara, do you know how many?
14:41Yeah, you're a f***ing liar.
14:43You spit.
14:44How many people have sent me that you are the one that is out putting that out into
14:48the press with everybody?
14:50Oh my God.
14:50Do you know how many people are saying that?
14:52Who?
14:52Show me the proof.
14:54Can I say one more thing to Gretchen?
14:55Because I want to say this directly to you.
14:58In hindsight, was this something that I felt I needed to bring up?
15:01Yeah, because it was something that was brought to me and it was a little disturbing to me.
15:04I wish that I had brought it up to you not at the dinner table.
15:09Thank you for saying that.
15:10And I'm very sorry for doing it there.
15:13I appreciate that because I did think that you and I had a good enough relationship
15:17that if something was bothering you that much, and especially knowing that you knew about it
15:22for what I understood a couple weeks, maybe a month before.
15:26I did.
15:26I wish that you had brought it to me.
15:29I do too.
15:30Because I do.
15:31I felt very...
15:33Blindsided?
15:34Blindsided and ambushed.
15:36Yeah, and I'm sorry for that.
15:37No.
15:37Tamara, what were your intentions of bringing this to Gina in the first place?
15:41And I'm curious, did you think about bringing it to Heather, who it kind of most personally
15:46affected?
15:46I have had conversations in the past about her beliefs.
15:50You yourself said three years ago that you had to distance yourself from Gretchen.
15:53I did not say that to you.
15:55We were sitting after Jen's yoga thing in Newport.
15:58Tamara, it wasn't about the post.
15:59It was about others.
16:00No, you did.
16:00You sent me the post.
16:01Yeah.
16:01Well, after...
16:02No, you sent it to me while we were in the middle of filming.
16:05You sent it to me, and I texted you back.
16:07I don't want any part of this.
16:08That's right.
16:08You're right.
16:09And then you brought it up again in front of everyone at the cake party.
16:14You sat down with me and said,
16:15I don't want to talk about her because of her political stance and her stance on...
16:19Do not do that, Tamara.
16:24I felt like you were trying to give it to me,
16:28to drop it in my lap, to do something with it,
16:30and I really didn't want any part of that.
16:32But why did you tell Gina?
16:34Because I feel like you put her in an awkward position.
16:36I was.
16:36That's who I filmed with after the...
16:39But if this was something that you were going to bring up about Gretchen,
16:41why not just bring it up yourself?
16:42Why am I getting blamed for her liking homophobic stuff?
16:47You're not.
16:47You're not.
16:49I'm asking, though.
16:50I'm trying to understand the lead-up to it.
16:52Like, this is crazy.
16:54I'm trying to understand.
16:55Because I'm still being a reality show, Emily.
16:58I understand that, but I'm saying...
17:00Okay, then let me explain.
17:01Don't talk to me condescending.
17:02First of all, I'm saying...
17:02Well, then don't talk to me condescending.
17:04I'm not being condescending at all.
17:05Yeah, you are.
17:05Why did you do this?
17:06That's not condescending.
17:07I'm asking you a question.
17:09I felt badly for Gina.
17:10As her friend, I felt badly.
17:11I felt like she was in a very bad spot.
17:14Tamara, we...
17:14Why do you have to be an asshole all the time?
17:16I'm not an asshole all the time.
17:17Yeah, you are.
17:18You're an asshole all the time.
17:19You're an asshole.
17:19You want to talk about an asshole all the time?
17:20That's you.
17:21That's you.
17:22You're always poking at me.
17:23And all I've ever done has been supportive of you.
17:25Oh, wait.
17:25You called her Shrek for a year.
17:27Oh, yeah.
17:28Oh, really?
17:28We're going back?
17:29Oh, yeah.
17:29But also, what?
17:30She's got a podcast on my network.
17:32I'm not on your network anymore.
17:33She's like...
17:34Stop bringing that up.
17:35By the way, sweetheart.
17:36Yes, you are.
17:36Don't call me sweetheart.
17:37We had to put you back on,
17:38because when you got off, you're tanked.
17:41This is the problem.
17:42Okay, don't do that.
17:44That's not the problem.
17:45Let's talk about who's an asshole right now.
17:46I just got the text message.
17:48They had to put you back on.
17:50Okay, but that's not nice.
17:51And you are.
17:52But then don't call me like that.
17:56What?
17:56Call you like what?
17:57What are you talking about?
17:58Oh, God.
17:58All right.
17:59After you called her an asshole.
18:01Okay, all right.
18:01You said I've never been as nice to you.
18:03Oh, you have not.
18:04You treated me like for years,
18:06and then I forgave you for years, too.
18:08Oh, you treated me like for years, too.
18:10When you got off, you're tanked.
18:21Let's talk about who's an asshole right now.
18:22I just got the text message that they had to put you back on.
18:26Okay, that is not nice.
18:27If you are, don't call me like that.
18:31What?
18:32Call you like what?
18:33What are you talking about?
18:34So after you called her an asshole.
18:37You said it first.
18:37Oh, I've never been as nice to you.
18:39Oh, you have not.
18:40You treated me like s*** for years.
18:42Oh, you treated me like s*** for years, too.
18:44I treated you like s***.
18:46You did.
18:46Okay.
18:48Right.
18:49Well, you guys have seen all of the episodes from this season,
18:52but we didn't send you the aftermath of the Amsterdam dinner.
18:57We wanted you to watch this together today as a group for the first time
19:00and then get your reactions on the other side.
19:03So the day after that dinner, we captured a car ride to the airport
19:07with Jen, Emily, Gina, Tamara, and Heather,
19:11and we're going to take a look at it.
19:16I felt awful about the way that dinner went.
19:21Yeah.
19:21I don't like it, but I went to the actual pages of the people
19:26and she does follow these accounts,
19:28but then I went to the posts that she supposedly liked
19:33and I can't find anyone that she actually liked.
19:39Well, did she go and I like these accounts?
19:43Well, I don't know if that's the question.
19:44You can't just sit across from someone and accuse them of doing something
19:48without knowing for sure.
19:49This just goes back to the root of the problem.
19:51You and Gretchen go tip for tad all the time
19:55and I feel this is all stemming from that.
19:58And to be honest, like at this point,
20:00I want to remove myself from that.
20:02All you guys do is bring up s**t you see on the internet
20:06to hurt each other.
20:07It's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
20:09And it's like you're going to both destroy both of your lives.
20:12How much s**t can I take from this girl?
20:13All these things you can say about me and I just sit back?
20:16No, I'm not doing that.
20:17Checkmate, bitch.
20:20So, Gretchen, how does it feel seeing that there was remorse
20:24from Emily, Gina, and Heather?
20:27Does that make you feel any better?
20:30Yeah.
20:31Yeah?
20:31I didn't even...
20:32I mean, we all went to our room that night
20:34and stayed up looking at stuff.
20:36Thanks.
20:37And, you know, you wake up the next day
20:39and you go, how did this happen?
20:40Has anyone since Amsterdam seen any articles
20:44or credible sources talking about the post
20:47that Gretchen has claimed to have liked?
20:50No, I searched for it
20:51because I was trying to find something legitimate.
20:54There's nothing.
20:55And I couldn't find anything.
20:56And to me, a screenshot is not clear
20:59and convincing evidence.
21:01Like, I want to see the actual posts.
21:02The actual posts.
21:03I do remember seeing that night
21:05that there were live posts still up there
21:09that you had liked.
21:10They were as of two days ago.
21:12They were there.
21:13I'm curious, Katie, you weren't there.
21:15You're seeing all this for the first time.
21:16What's your reaction to all this?
21:18Um, it's a little heartbreaking
21:20because I don't stand on that side of things.
21:23I am very much pro-LGBTQIA.
21:25Me too.
21:26And I'm outward about that.
21:27So much you like all the posts.
21:28And I don't follow the accounts.
21:29That would be the opposite.
21:30I just don't.
21:32Gretchen, you're crying because?
21:34Because, like I said that night,
21:37it's not who I am.
21:38It's not what I align with.
21:40And I just felt like it was such a personal attack on me.
21:44And, you know, Tamara and I had made up the day before.
21:49And I really thought that we were, like,
21:52maybe having a chance to move forward.
21:55Okay, just stop right there.
21:57Gina, when did I show you that post?
21:59When we were in Orange County.
22:01Which you're not understanding
22:03is that from my point of view,
22:04it felt like it was being plotted and planned.
22:06And it brought back memories of even naked-waisted,
22:10to be honest, of when I saw you on camera going,
22:13we're going to get her naked-waisted.
22:14We're going to make her do something stupid.
22:16And you know what, Tamara?
22:17It's f***ing hard to sit there
22:19and think that somebody's plotting and planning something,
22:22and you have no f***ing idea that somebody's doing that.
22:26It's f***ed up.
22:27It's f***ed up.
22:27It's f***ing on the tears, Gretchen.
22:28You know what, Andy?
22:30This is life-changing.
22:31This is life-destroying.
22:33And you brought that up.
22:34I just heard you're drugging somebody's life-destroying, too.
22:37I have got so many death threats.
22:38I have businesses.
22:38I've gotten so much s*** because of the stuff
22:40that you are out disseminating and telling people
22:43that you're-
22:43I am not disseminating anything.
22:44You are out disseminating that there's so many people.
22:47There is a whole thread up there
22:47that's been out there for two years.
22:48Oh, my God.
22:48Tamara, I have so many text messages from people.
22:51She's not talking about the Twitter feed.
22:53They're posting them currently
22:54because they got them recently.
22:57Oh, and they can't hurt me.
22:58I didn't say that,
22:59but you can make whatever connection you want.
23:01Show me.
23:02I get these messages on the daily.
23:04You are so full of s***.
23:04I get these messages on...
23:06I get these messages on the daily.
23:15You are so full of s***.
23:17Every single one of those little accounts
23:19you are attached to.
23:21There are accounts out there
23:22that are very pro-Tamera,
23:23and those are the accounts
23:24that are posting those screenshots.
23:26They report...
23:27There's accounts that are pro-everybody.
23:29There's accounts that hate me.
23:31I'm just saying...
23:31This digital thing...
23:32It's been very suspect.
23:33Thank you, Emily.
23:34Well, just so you know...
23:35I'm saying it's suspect, Tamara.
23:36You should flip through this.
23:37It's suspect, Emily.
23:38You should flip through this
23:39because they are linking accounts
23:41that they say that you are somehow...
23:44There's all these little accounts...
23:45...involved with...
23:45I don't have a criminal network that you're reaching out to everybody.
23:56I don't have a criminal network.
23:57Okay, Tamara, sure.
23:58Richard, I have a job.
24:00Sure.
24:00Do you ever not talk to bloggers?
24:02Do you never leak any information about this show?
24:04No.
24:05You ever done that?
24:06What are you talking about?
24:06Never in my life.
24:08Okay, Tamara.
24:08Well, about a week after the Amsterdam trip ended,
24:13we picked cameras back up to see how everyone was processing.
24:16Oh, wow.
24:17So I'm going to show you now an interaction
24:19that happened between Jen, Gina, and Shannon
24:22at Jen's house after cameras went down.
24:25Keep in mind, this was shot on May 9th, 2025,
24:29before any trailers or episodes had aired.
24:33Watch this.
24:34Oh, my God.
24:45The account is back, and it has a different name.
24:48Wait, how did you get it?
24:49Emily just sent me a screenshot.
24:51They said,
24:51I know you don't know who I am.
24:53I'm just someone who wants to expose the truth.
24:55The camera has been leaking details
24:57about the entire season throughout filming
24:59to bloggers and fan pages.
25:01If you want to test knowledge, feel free.
25:03I can prove everything I'm saying.
25:05What?
25:07She does do that talking, mainly on Instagram,
25:10and it's always a play-by-play during filming.
25:12Can you give us a couple of things that you know?
25:14So I know that when she fake quit
25:17after the New Orleans trip,
25:19and when she did return,
25:21she filmed with Heather at some restaurant.
25:23Hi.
25:23I think it was Costa Mesa.
25:24Yeah.
25:25She told this group of people
25:26that came to the last film with the group on March 20th.
25:29This might be, like,
25:30the last time anyone sees me with this group of women.
25:33And then her last scene was, like,
25:35a sit-down with Tamara.
25:36Katie Cheney.
25:38Fancy meeting you here.
25:40There are so many things that are coming up
25:42that haven't even aired.
25:43I think it was something to do with Gretchen
25:45allegedly doing Katie something,
25:46and then Katie reported back to Tamara.
25:49Gretchen lied and said she went to a hospital.
25:51Wait, what?
25:52Wow.
25:53Yeah.
25:54Tamara's getting away with leaking info,
25:56yet holding Katie accountable
25:57for doing the exact same thing.
25:59Oh, my God.
25:59She had a combination with Gretchen
26:00and, I guess, Slade.
26:02Hi.
26:02No.
26:03And she took her eye mood
26:04and she just kept walking away.
26:06On April 20th,
26:07she told my friend that you
26:08and she were plotting against Gretchen
26:10to bring up transphobic
26:12and homophobic stuff.
26:13And you guys both had hope
26:15that it would turn everyone against her.
26:17That's insane.
26:18She's clearly trying to make this, like,
26:20a mindful thing
26:21when I have nothing to do with this.
26:23Like, that's insane.
26:24You know what, Tamara?
26:25I'm not here to do your dirty work.
26:27I'm not your f***ing henchman.
26:28I'm not your minion.
26:30And now you've pissed me off.
26:31This is all of our content.
26:32This is everything.
26:34This is insane.
26:35You guys, that's...
26:36This is insane.
26:40Wow.
26:40Who's this guy?
26:42The voice.
26:43I don't know.
26:44Who is he?
26:45This is someone that contacted who?
26:47All of us.
26:48All of us.
26:48When you all agree to do the show,
26:50you all agree to keep everything
26:52that you shoot confidential.
26:54Yep.
26:54So how do you explain
26:55how this person knows this?
26:58It is not me, Andy.
27:00This is bulls***.
27:01This is an ambush.
27:02So you don't talk to anybody?
27:04You don't talk to bloggers?
27:05You don't tell information?
27:06I don't give away storyline.
27:07No, I don't.
27:08But do you talk to bloggers?
27:09I've been on this show for...
27:10We all talk to bloggers.
27:11I don't.
27:11There's a difference between
27:12saying hi, bye, thank you,
27:15yes, great,
27:16good luck at the reunion.
27:17That's different than
27:18giving away storyline.
27:19I've been on this show for 15 years.
27:22We've never had this problem
27:23until you came back.
27:25Oh, okay, sure.
27:26Or has it always been a problem?
27:27Until people are finally coming out
27:28and talking about it.
27:29What?
27:30What am I doing?
27:30This guy said you've been doing it for years.
27:33Well, show your proof, buddy.
27:34Show the proof.
27:35And then when people come after you,
27:38they go out on social media
27:40and support you
27:41and they do it
27:42because you supply them
27:44with storyline ahead of time.
27:45You keep them in the know
27:46and how then they help you.
27:48But the people haven't been...
27:49That's what he said.
27:50This guy, yeah.
27:51You heard it, Gina?
27:52Slade's friend.
27:53It's not Slade's friend.
27:53But they weren't scenes
27:54that she was in.
27:55But none of those...
27:56Yes, there were scenes
27:57that I wasn't in.
27:58Tara, show me the proof.
28:01Show me my writing.
28:02On that call,
28:04he said something
28:04that happened in Amsterdam
28:06was you were upset
28:08that you didn't get asked
28:09to go to the upfront.
28:11Sunday, she told my friend
28:12that she was doing that
28:14because you didn't get an invite
28:16to the upfronts on Monday.
28:17But that you called up a manager,
28:19you threw a shit
28:20because you thought you should go.
28:22But we all knew that.
28:24That was the clincher.
28:25How was this guy?
28:26I had just got back from Paris
28:27the day before.
28:28How's this guy gonna know that?
28:29The call is coming
28:30from someone here.
28:31Did every single person
28:32from our guest get invited
28:33to the upfronts but me?
28:35No.
28:36No.
28:36I did call Bravo today
28:39and I said,
28:39I just wanna know
28:40was there a reason
28:41that I wasn't asked to...
28:43But you really did that?
28:43Yeah, I really did.
28:45And they said,
28:45no, absolutely not.
28:47We love you.
28:47I didn't do this!
28:48But this is the problem
28:49and this is where we now lie.
28:51Like, we don't know.
28:52Do you do this?
28:52Do you not do this?
28:53No, I don't.
28:54Why did you guys find this person
28:55to be credible on the call?
28:57Yes, because he knew stuff
28:58before, things that were...
28:59Do you think I'm the only person
29:01on this cast?
29:01Well, it's someone here.
29:03Not me.
29:04Right.
29:04Well, you...
29:05I was honoring yourself
29:06on this one.
29:07That's right, Katie.
29:08You're clean on this one.
29:09It's very suspect to me
29:10that he knew
29:11about a specific setup
29:13between...
29:13Absolutely!
29:14...these two people
29:15about Gretchen
29:16and the screenshots.
29:17The only people
29:18that knew about that
29:19are the people
29:20sitting in this room.
29:21And I know it wasn't her.
29:23Hearing the person say
29:25and Gina's plotting
29:26against Gretchen,
29:28it made me feel like
29:29you're doing this
29:30and you're trying
29:31to now pass the buck to me.
29:32Why would I say that?
29:34That same person
29:34had texted me and said,
29:36Tamara has been plotting
29:37and planning this thing
29:38against you
29:38for a long time
29:40and then he...
29:40But she didn't know
29:41you were coming back
29:42to the...
29:42No, no, this...
29:43No, he said that it would...
29:45So it was from you.
29:45...in the last two weeks.
29:46It was from you.
29:47No, it wasn't from me, Tamara.
29:49It was not from me, Tamara.
29:50Slade is working
29:51over time.
29:51Oh, my God,
29:52you're such a f***ing liar.
29:54You're just mad
29:55because you got caught.
29:55That's right.
29:56No, I'm not mad.
29:56Yeah, you're mad
29:57that you got caught.
29:58I'm mad because
29:59it is a lie.
30:00And guess what?
30:01I want to tell you
30:01something else he said.
30:02Okay, I want to hear
30:03from Shannon.
30:03Gina and Jen,
30:04you were on the call.
30:05Yes.
30:05You also remember
30:06that he said
30:07when those prank calls
30:08were happening
30:09where it says Kelly Dodd
30:10and all that...
30:10You said it happened.
30:11What is the prank call?
30:12I got prank called
30:13and I didn't tell
30:14one person about it.
30:16You thought it would be funny
30:17and you gave
30:18Heather's number
30:20I remember getting
30:21the prank call.
30:22Oh, I did get that call.
30:23And they recorded it.
30:24I did get that call.
30:26And my children's life!
30:28I have never done this!
30:31This is f***ed up.
30:37And my children's life!
30:39I have never done this!
30:41Heather, what is your...
30:42This is insane and gross!
30:44What's your take about this?
30:45This I find concerning.
30:48It's, you know...
30:49Is it concerning
30:50that they never come out
30:51until Gretchen's on
30:53and Slay's here?
30:53Oh my God.
30:54And all the s***
30:54that he's done?
30:56Gina, you clearly believe this
30:58based on the conversation.
31:00Well, I got pissed off
31:01because my name
31:02got thrown around in there.
31:03I do believe it.
31:04I don't play this game.
31:05This whole inter...
31:06You said you felt like
31:07you were set up by Tara.
31:08Or whatever.
31:08That's what I'm saying.
31:09I did.
31:10I believed this
31:11because the only people
31:12who knew that we knew
31:13about the post about Gretchen
31:15are you and I.
31:16So what's your response to her?
31:18No, that is bulls***t.
31:19No, no, no.
31:19I mean with regards...
31:21It's all over social media.
31:21I mean with regards
31:22to our season.
31:23Oh.
31:23With regards to our season.
31:25So she's saying
31:26that she feels like
31:27set up by you.
31:28What's your response to her?
31:30She should be felt
31:31set up by Slay.
31:32No one knew
31:33that this whole thing
31:34about accusing Gretchen
31:35was between the two of you.
31:36I know, and that's why
31:36I got hurt.
31:37If it's not Gina's
31:38the one who's telling him
31:39then it has to be you.
31:40And it got twisted
31:41into I'm telling you.
31:4215 years have been
31:54on the show
31:54and never had this problem
31:55and this comes back
31:57and guess what?
31:58Guess what?
31:59Now all of a sudden
32:00Slade's pulling his magic.
32:02I know, but Slade
32:03wouldn't have known
32:04that information
32:05because she didn't know it.
32:06I didn't even know.
32:07I was a bambush with that.
32:09This is bulls***t.
32:10On the finale night
32:12we went out to dinner
32:13outdoors.
32:14You had a very smug
32:16look on your face.
32:17In fact, I said
32:17you looked orgasmic.
32:19It was like, I got it.
32:20I won.
32:21And it made it
32:22and all of us
32:22commented on it.
32:24We did.
32:24We felt uncomfortable.
32:26This is what I keep
32:27going back to
32:28between the two of you guys.
32:29I think that the thing
32:31that I would like to know
32:33from Tamara
32:34before I end this
32:35is to me
32:38you and Gina
32:39are good buddies.
32:40And so
32:41I actually think
32:43this kind of
32:43comes down to
32:44between the two of you
32:45because I know
32:46that things have been
32:47troubled with Jen
32:48and we know
32:49where you've been
32:49with Shannon.
32:51So
32:51how do you two
32:53move on from this?
32:54Because she's saying
32:55she felt set up by you
32:57in this situation.
32:58I felt set up
32:58by this whole situation.
33:00Okay.
33:01So I don't
33:02Gina, I didn't do that.
33:03On my children's life
33:06I did not do that.
33:08But what I'm saying is
33:09did they
33:10did this person
33:12show you any proof
33:14that this
33:14stuff came from Tamara?
33:16They gave us
33:18a storyline.
33:19The proof is that
33:20they gave us
33:20a storyline
33:21from the content
33:22of our season
33:23that Stan
33:24that all of us
33:26would know.
33:26Why don't we
33:27get this person
33:28out here and ask
33:28him where this
33:29is coming from?
33:29I would love for him
33:30to come out.
33:30I would too.
33:31But do you see
33:32this situation
33:33it doesn't even
33:34really have to
33:34this doesn't even
33:35have to do with
33:35Gretchen, right?
33:36This has to do
33:37like I'm just saying
33:38like from
33:38between you and I
33:39like if you are
33:41telling anybody
33:41about anything
33:42that's happening here
33:43it's getting
33:44out.
33:45It is.
33:45And it's becoming
33:45a problem.
33:46It is.
33:46You know?
33:47And so that's
33:47what I'm saying is
33:48lots of people
33:49I don't think
33:50you did this
33:51to her
33:51to bloggers.
33:53That's what
33:53they're saying.
33:54That is what
33:55they're saying.
33:56And I'm telling you
33:57I am not
33:58accusing Katie of.
34:00Yeah.
34:00And I gave Katie
34:01for it a lot too.
34:03You know?
34:03I mean this is
34:04what we're saying
34:05is if this is
34:06happening it's
34:07not okay.
34:08No it's not okay.
34:09The same accountability
34:10that happens to Katie
34:11should be taken
34:12across the board.
34:13Do you think
34:15someone close to you
34:16is betraying you?
34:17Do you think
34:17someone is?
34:19I don't know
34:20but I'm telling you
34:20Andy I'm not
34:21reaching out to
34:22bloggers.
34:22I've been on this
34:23show for 15 years.
34:24Yeah I know
34:24nothing's ever leaked.
34:26But it's just
34:27coincidence now
34:28he's on the show
34:29and they've been
34:29attacking me for so long.
34:31He wouldn't have
34:32known that piece
34:33of information.
34:34I'd be like
34:35this is how I
34:36keep my jobs.
34:38This is really
34:38something like that.
34:40This wouldn't be
34:40a way to keep your
34:41This is a moment
34:42for everyone to say
34:43it is enough.
34:45You know what?
34:46I joined this show
34:47when my youngest kid
34:47was nine months old.
34:48He's turning 15.
34:50You've been on this show
34:51longer than me.
34:52You started before me.
34:54Things have changed.
34:55It has got to stop.
34:57Yeah.
34:58No careers.
34:59But I think
34:59we all agree to that.
35:00No bloggers.
35:02None of this.
35:03And then it doesn't change.
35:03This is about our friendship.
35:06This is about conflict
35:07and resolution
35:08between us.
35:10And that's all
35:11it's ever been
35:12and all it ever should be
35:13and anyone that arrives
35:14in this group
35:15and thinks they're playing
35:16a game of Survivor
35:18is sadly mistaken.
35:19And I think
35:19everyone needs to agree
35:22once and for all
35:23this has got to stop.
35:25Yeah, I agree.
35:27It's hard enough
35:27to be in this group
35:29and to be in this dynamic
35:31and to navigate
35:32all of this
35:33and to be authentic
35:34and to talk.
35:35I mean, you know,
35:36it's hard for me
35:36to share about Luke.
35:37It's hard for me
35:38to talk about marriage.
35:39I mean, it's hard
35:39for all of us.
35:40We're sharing authentic
35:41things about our lives.
35:42But it is so much harder
35:44when we have to navigate
35:46outside people
35:47and the outside people
35:48aren't our friends.
35:49No.
35:49So we have to not deal
35:51with those outside people.
35:53It's hard enough
35:53to deal with this
35:54as it is
35:54without bringing more people
35:56into this group.
35:57All right.
35:58Very well said.
35:59I want to leave it there
36:00and I want to come back
36:02and we're going to wrap things up.
36:12We're back with final thoughts
36:14from The Real Housewives
36:16of Orange County
36:17Season 19 reunion.
36:20Ladies, Christina
36:21from the UK said
36:22if you could take back
36:23one thing you've said
36:24this season,
36:24what would it be?
36:25Gretchen, starting with you.
36:28Uh, that I brought up
36:30the thing about Tamara
36:32and that whole situation.
36:33Shannon?
36:34My reaction to you
36:35was too extreme.
36:36You are nothing like
36:38Alexis Molino.
36:39Thank you, Shannon.
36:41Katie?
36:42I think I said something
36:43about Jen in a confessional
36:45about just having
36:47a strong distaste for
36:48and I regret that.
36:50Heather?
36:52Um, it's not something
36:53I regret saying
36:54but I wish I had
36:55been more vocal
36:55about the photo.
36:59Emily?
37:02Um, I can't think
37:04of anything
37:04other than
37:05I'll just go back
37:06to Katie
37:07to last year
37:08and I wish
37:09I would have
37:10formed the question
37:11better
37:11as opposed to
37:13making it
37:13about your children
37:14because that
37:14wasn't my intent.
37:15I wouldn't want
37:16to do that
37:17so I wish
37:17I had said it
37:18in a better,
37:19more articulate way.
37:21Thank you, Emily.
37:22Gina?
37:23Um, it wasn't
37:24this season
37:24but obviously
37:25I regret
37:26having asked you
37:27what you were
37:28wearing that day.
37:29The bicycle,
37:30I do.
37:31This season
37:31I obviously
37:32deeply regret
37:33saying that
37:34I thought you
37:35weren't funny.
37:36And I do think
37:37you're funny.
37:38Thank you, Gina.
37:39Tamra?
37:41Sharing the picture
37:42of Jen.
37:44Jen?
37:45Uh, two for me.
37:46The, I gave
37:47Shannon the feeling
37:47that I didn't
37:48appreciate the
37:49bridal party.
37:49Oh, sweet.
37:49And then, um,
37:51the video
37:52that was hurtful
37:53for Katie.
37:54Thank you, Jen.
37:55You know, Katie
37:55and Jen,
37:56do you see a path
37:57forward?
37:59I hope so.
38:01We have a conversation
38:02we need to have.
38:03Yeah.
38:03Because when I was
38:04in the trailer
38:04I got a call
38:05that you were
38:06with Nicole
38:06just yesterday.
38:07Yeah.
38:08And Nicole's
38:09my friend.
38:10Yeah.
38:10Not that she
38:10can't be yours
38:11but you went
38:12right up to her
38:12and Nicole's
38:13like, you said
38:14I'm gonna ask
38:15you something
38:15and tell me
38:16the truth.
38:16Was Ryan
38:17involved with
38:17Matt's booking?
38:18No, no.
38:19I didn't say
38:19we were coming
38:20at you.
38:20I said, was he
38:21involved?
38:22Nicole said
38:23it was so
38:23obvious that
38:24she'd been
38:24digging
38:25and that just
38:25kept on.
38:26And to know
38:27she went there
38:28to pump
38:28Nicole for
38:29information
38:30so she and
38:31Tamara can go
38:31sit out there
38:32like some
38:32united front,
38:33she'd go
38:34f*** herself.
38:35My friend
38:35Lely hosted
38:36an event and
38:37she was a guest.
38:38And I was
38:38invited by my
38:39friend Lely
38:40who owns the
38:40event space.
38:41But you went up
38:41fishing again for
38:41me and this is
38:42where Katie,
38:42I had nothing
38:43but love,
38:44100% love for
38:45you.
38:45You can't do
38:46this stuff in
38:46real friendships.
38:47You can't go
38:48to my friends
38:49and say, I
38:49gotta ask you.
38:50I haven't heard
38:50from you, Jen.
38:51You're sitting
38:51here today saying
38:52I hope there's
38:53a path.
38:54I'm in my
38:54trailer eating
38:54lunch.
38:55Nicole says,
38:55I'm driving
38:56Matt to prison
38:57today.
38:57She told me
38:58that I'll let
38:59you read it
39:00verbatim because
39:01you've been
39:01hurtful to her.
39:03No, honey,
39:03she's with her.
39:04She said she
39:05hasn't talked to
39:05you for weeks
39:06and you said
39:06you submitted
39:07her for casting.
39:08No, she said
39:08you told her
39:09that they want
39:10her on the show
39:11and that you
39:11will submit
39:12her for casting.
39:12She said you
39:12sent her a message
39:13and said I
39:14submitted you
39:15for casting.
39:15She said you
39:15did.
39:16I just met
39:18her for the
39:18second time
39:18last night.
39:19I'm just
39:19saying, Katie,
39:20I'm sorry.
39:20It's the phone
39:21call I just
39:21got.
39:21You can have
39:22a call with
39:22Lely and you
39:23can hear the
39:23real story and
39:24it's exactly
39:24what I'm saying.
39:25But I don't need
39:25it.
39:25I trust
39:25Nicole.
39:26Okay.
39:28Okay.
39:29All right.
39:30For our final
39:30toast this year,
39:31we are doing
39:32Hurricanes from
39:33New Orleans.
39:34Gina, we made
39:35you a mocktail.
39:37I want to get
39:38this right.
39:40Heather, why
39:41don't you
39:41lead us in a
39:43toast?
39:43Oh, dear.
39:44Did you chat
39:45JBT?
39:45Here, Gretchen.
39:47I think we
39:48said it all best.
39:49I think in order
39:50to move forward,
39:50the path has
39:51to be clear.
39:52Cheers to that.
39:53Cheers.
39:54Cheers to season
39:5519.
39:56Woo, in the
39:57books, baby.
39:58Incredible.
39:58In the
39:59books, thank
40:00you all for
40:01being here.
40:01Thanks for
40:02your openness.
40:03That is a
40:04wrap.
40:06For more, go
40:07to bravotv.com.
40:09Cheers.
40:10Tamara.
40:14Gretchen.
40:15You okay?
40:17No.
40:17This is not
40:18okay.
40:19It's a
40:20lie set up
40:21and it's
40:22not true.
40:23Where do you
40:24think it is
40:25coming from?
40:26Yeah.
40:26I don't
40:27know.
40:28Thank you,
40:29you guys.
40:31Just ask
40:32Can I get one
40:32too?
40:32I never take
40:33a photo with
40:33Andy.
40:34What's the
40:34name of the
40:34account that
40:35reached out
40:35to you about
40:35this?
40:36They deleted
40:36the DM that
40:37they originally
40:38sent me,
40:38and I honestly
40:39do not remember
40:40the name.
40:40Are you trying
40:41to be taller?
40:42Yes.
40:43But to say
40:44that I call
40:45vloggers and
40:46there's absolutely
40:46no information
40:47on it?
40:48Like, it's
40:50bullsh**.
40:50What's more
40:51bullsh**?
40:51I can't find
40:52my phone.
40:53Good job,
40:54you did
40:54really good.
40:55Put my
40:56spanks down.
40:56I only have one
40:57on today.
40:58Newsflash.
40:59What are you
41:00looking for,
41:00Tamara?
41:01My phone.
41:02Did you find
41:03it?
41:03Yeah.
41:03Oh, okay.
41:04It's gonna be
41:04okay.
41:05It's not
41:06okay.
41:07Okay, can I be
41:08in the group?
41:08Yeah, cool.
41:09Can I take a
41:09group shot?
41:10Oh, my God,
41:11let's wait here.
41:11I'll go in here
41:12and do it.
41:14But I didn't do
41:16this.
41:16This is such a good
41:17dress.
41:18Oh, man,
41:18I can't wait
41:19to burn it.
41:21Thank you,
41:22everybody,
41:22for a wonderful
41:23day.
41:23Thank you,
41:24everybody.
41:25Woo!
41:27Jeez Louise,
41:28that was a lot.
41:29My feet are
41:29in pain.
41:30They're like
41:31sausages.
41:32Yeah.
41:33When we f**k up,
41:34which we all
41:34have and do,
41:35then say you do.
41:36It's obvious.
41:37Jen, you were
41:38on the call.
41:38I was on the
41:39call.
41:39There was too much
41:39circumstantial evidence.
41:41This is my
41:42leg tick.
41:42I see that.
41:43You know what
41:43it does?
41:44It lifts.
41:45I'll go if
41:49we'll go
41:50if Tamara
41:50doesn't go.
41:52I know.
41:52You were
41:53very brave.
41:54I know.
41:54She didn't
41:54do it.
41:59I know
41:59you didn't.
42:01I value
42:02my job
42:03and I've
42:03never done
42:04that.
42:05Well,
42:05you just know
42:06going forward
42:06who's in your
42:07corner and
42:07who's not.
42:08You know
42:08what I mean?
42:09I mean,
42:09at the end
42:10of the day,
42:10Katie and
42:10Tamara,
42:11no wonder
42:11they're
42:11friends.
42:12They're
42:12the same
42:12person.
42:13They can't
42:13trust me.
42:14Why can't
42:14you trust
42:14me?
42:15You need
42:17to go
42:17home.
42:18It helps
42:18the day.
42:21This is not
42:22what this
42:22show is
42:22about.
42:23I know.
42:24It's
42:24retaliation.
42:25Of course
42:25it is.
42:26Gretchen Slater
42:27is so
42:27dangerous.
42:29There were
42:29some things
42:29on there
42:30that only
42:30her and
42:31I would
42:33have known.
42:34So if
42:34it's not
42:35you,
42:36then it
42:37doesn't
42:37take a
42:38rocket
42:39scientist
42:40to figure
42:41out who
42:42the guilty
42:43party is.
42:44The
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43:01you
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