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Serious discussion on radicalism and victimhood politics involving Kashmir. INDIA Alliance breakdown creates new political uncertainties. Understand the real facts and consequences through this live debate.

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00:00There is a contradiction playing out.
00:03A section of Kashmir's political class, led by the chief minister himself,
00:08has turned the lens inward.
00:12But not on the radicalism in Kashmir.
00:18Not even on the ecosystem that repeatedly normalized radicalism
00:23when it flew the flag for Islamist supremacists
00:27like the Hezbollah or ISIS, as you can see in the visuals,
00:33but instead on themselves as victims.
00:37Yes, viewers, now top Kashmiri politicians,
00:41led by the chief minister himself,
00:44are suggesting that all Kashmiris are victims,
00:48including those who have committed these heinous acts.
00:55This is what Omar Abdullah says.
00:57When we are looked at with suspicious eyes from every side,
01:02when attempts are made to defame us for someone else's doing,
01:06when attempts are made to bring everyone into the ambit of what few people have done,
01:12then it is obvious that it becomes difficult for us to leave for outside.
01:17Today, even driving a JNK registration vehicle in Delhi is being seen as a crime.
01:26When I do not have many security personnel with me,
01:29I myself think whether I should take out my car or not,
01:33as I do not know if anyone will stop me and ask me where I was from.
01:39Unquote.
01:40It's the chief minister of the state.
01:42Now consider what his main political opponent has said.
01:46Ilteja Mufti says, and I quote,
01:48Kashmiris are trapped in a vicious cycle.
01:51One feels quite hopeless,
01:53because we are in this endless loop of mindless violence,
01:57sweeping repression and suspicion,
02:01followed by resentment and alienation.
02:04Unquote.
02:07Now, you heard it, viewers.
02:10Former chief minister Omar Abdullah says,
02:12Kashmiris are being defamed for the action of a few,
02:16that even driving a Jammu and Kashmir registered car in Delhi invites suspicion.
02:20Ilteja Mufti speaks of repression and alienation and about being scapegoated.
02:27But here are the hard facts.
02:29This sudden surge of, quote, victimhood, unquote,
02:32comes after an NCMP called Indian Tourism in Kashmir.
02:38Cultural invasion.
02:40Viewers, he has used binaries
02:45that go completely against multiculturalism
02:50and label every non-Kashmiri as a cultural invader.
03:00But here, viewers, no one said anything.
03:05Then, after crowds in Srinagar waved Hezbollah flags,
03:09mourning a man who vowed to, quote,
03:11liberate Kashmir, unquote, and turn it into a caliphate,
03:15that has also happened,
03:17and you can see those pictures in the middle of your screens.
03:20I'm not making this up.
03:22Do you see anyone sort of there,
03:24viewers, saying that down with this man,
03:27we're glad that we're rid of this scourge
03:31because he was a radical
03:34that viewed the world
03:37in infidel, non-infidel sort of terms.
03:43Viewers, even before that,
03:47thousands rallied behind Burhan Wani.
03:51ISIS flags were dismissed as frustration.
03:54Who spoke up to denounce this open support
03:57of Islamist religious radicalism?
03:59No one.
04:00No one, not in my name, rally was held.
04:04Distancing Kashmiris from terror evangelists.
04:08Viewers, the hard facts speak for themselves.
04:10As I said, no action was taken against this MP
04:14of Omar Abdullah's party, Aga Rahula,
04:17for saying what they call his tourism
04:19is not tourism but cultural invasion.
04:23A year before that,
04:24hundreds of protesters rallied in Srinagar,
04:26mourning the death of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.
04:28I told you that he wanted to liberate Kashmir,
04:31turn it into a caliphate.
04:33In 2016, thousands attended
04:35path-backed Hezbollah Mujahideen terrorist
04:37Burhan Wani's funeral,
04:39denoting him a son of the soil.
04:41There are also viewers that talked about
04:42alienation, repression, and then obviously viewers,
04:46the fact that there was
04:47a counter-reaction.
04:50A justification, viewers of terrorism.
04:53In 2015,
04:55National Conference patron Farouk Abdullah
04:57justified waving of ISIS flags in the valley,
05:00saying the youth were simply
05:02venting their frustration.
05:05In the absence of condemnation,
05:06can Kashmiris today expect sympathy viewers?
05:09Is this genuine fear
05:11or a political victim card
05:13to whitewash a long history
05:15of enabling radicalism?
05:17These are some fundamental questions
05:18and I want to begin tonight
05:20with people
05:23who also are Muslims
05:26but don't quite see the world
05:28in the same light.
05:30Shazia Ilmi, let me begin with you.
05:32We have a whole raft of politicians
05:35in this country,
05:36specifically from the minority community,
05:39who are justifying this,
05:41saying that, look,
05:42I mean, you know,
05:43that every reaction
05:44will have an equal and opposite reaction.
05:47Every action
05:48will beget something or the other.
05:51How do you see this first,
05:53this narrative,
05:54as an Indian Muslim?
05:55So, first of all,
05:59I'd like to say,
06:00as an Indian Muslim woman
06:01and as an Indian citizen,
06:03that there is no justification
06:04whatsoever
06:05and for whatever has happened,
06:09no grievance,
06:10no justification,
06:11no political spin
06:12can really explain
06:14this brutality.
06:15I also want to learn
06:16to say that
06:17I think each one of us,
06:18instead of talking about
06:19what is happening
06:20to some Muslims
06:22because of an act of view,
06:24should introspect
06:25and talk about
06:26how did we get here.
06:28Have you heard
06:29any of these voices,
06:30any of them,
06:31whether it's the
06:31Iltejas of the world
06:33or Umar Abdullah's,
06:34the two political families
06:35that are the arbiter
06:36of the fate
06:37of the rest of Kashmiris,
06:38politically,
06:39so to speak,
06:40have you ever heard
06:41them speak
06:42as to why there is radicalism,
06:45why they themselves
06:46should distinguish
06:47between being Muslims
06:49and Islamists
06:50and why there is
06:51something terribly wrong
06:52with Muslims
06:53living in India,
06:55these two particularly
06:56where their families
06:56have, you know,
06:58born allegiance
06:59to the constitution
07:00and have served
07:00as chief ministers,
07:02their parents
07:03and, you know,
07:04grandfathers
07:05and what have you.
07:06So I think
07:07it's very serious
07:08and instead of
07:09the whole ecosystem
07:10now talking about
07:11how Muslims
07:12are being victimized again,
07:14they must question
07:15the radicalization process
07:18because of course
07:20it is terrible
07:21for everybody.
07:22I mean,
07:23I feel for myself
07:24as an Indian citizen,
07:25as a Muslim,
07:26as a man,
07:27woman,
07:27whatever,
07:27so you know,
07:28there are many Muslims
07:28also who have died
07:29but to speak
07:30only for those Muslims
07:32and say that
07:33they are in this
07:34endless loop,
07:35they must also
07:36talk about
07:36the loop
07:37they have created
07:38for themselves.
07:40Terrorism,
07:41terror apologies
07:43thereafter,
07:44some sort of
07:44a normalization
07:45and this endless
07:47hankering
07:48of some sort
07:49of rights
07:50as to say
07:52that they have
07:53been denied something,
07:54the injustice
07:55done in Kashmir,
07:56this complete
07:57perpetual
07:58martyrdom
08:00that goes on
08:00and on
08:01and victimization,
08:02victim card
08:03that is slayed
08:03and persecution
08:05complex.
08:06Now this is
08:07actually fanning
08:08the flames of this
08:09instead of looking
08:10at what is happening
08:11to these educated
08:12Muslim men
08:13and women,
08:14doctors,
08:15who are part
08:16of a terror module,
08:18as scary as the one.
08:19Why did we get here?
08:21What is the scary,
08:22dangerous narrative
08:23that has been
08:25doing the rounds,
08:26that has led to this
08:27and I really want
08:28to call them out
08:29right now
08:29and say
08:30all of us
08:31and particularly
08:32the Muslims
08:32who have any role
08:33to play
08:34in public life
08:35must unequivocally
08:37condemn what has
08:38happened
08:38and question them
08:39and talk about them
08:41and question
08:41the elements
08:42that have led to this,
08:43the whole business
08:44of radicalization,
08:46the whole Islamization
08:47process of Muslims
08:49that is going on
08:50and the perpetual
08:51we have been wronged
08:53syndrome.
08:54So I think
08:54in my mind
08:55that is far more important
08:56then again
08:57I'm trying to get
08:58some kind of sympathy
08:59that see
09:00what is happening
09:01with us
09:02what are you doing
09:03what are you doing
09:03what are you saying
09:04why haven't you said
09:06why haven't you said
09:07why haven't you said
09:07something sad
09:09happens in our country
09:10and you know what
09:10you know
09:11you have
09:12I mean
09:12I feel so ashamed
09:14to say this
09:14that we have
09:15crazies and loonies
09:17out there
09:17who talk about
09:18and they step out
09:20don't you think
09:21there should have been
09:21masses out
09:22Muslims out there
09:23saying that
09:24yes not in our name
09:25this is not Islam
09:27this is not
09:28this is not a religion
09:29that will be hijacked
09:30by some loony fringe
09:32but there are dalwais
09:33of the world
09:34who says
09:34this is because
09:35of the injustice
09:36being done
09:37so this injustice story
09:38as long as Rahul
09:39you keep playing out
09:40these
09:41the playback
09:42versions of the
09:44we have been wronged
09:45what has happened
09:45in Kashmir
09:46all of that
09:46this will continue
09:47so they have an equal
09:48role to play
09:49and they are very much
09:51a cause of the matter
09:52they are the cogs
09:53in this wheel
09:54of radicalization
09:55and that is scary
09:57and I think
09:58we should talk
09:58about that
09:59instead of
09:59what they are saying
10:00because they are
10:01getting away
10:01by not outing
10:03the real
10:05people who are
10:07behind this
10:07they are not
10:08being dishonest
10:09they want to have
10:10the best of both
10:11the worlds
10:11Mr. Meer
10:12let's not allow
10:14sentiments to prevail
10:16let's allow
10:16for clear thinking
10:18to prevail
10:18look no one here
10:19is wanting to
10:20no this is clear thinking
10:21I have done
10:22no no Rahul
10:22Rahul I have done
10:23a lot of thinking
10:24on this subject
10:24I have done
10:26a whole lot of thinking
10:27on this subject
10:27since I have been
10:28a young person
10:29I grew up in
10:29Kanpur
10:30Chamanganj
10:31my father was a
10:32Mawlana
10:32Deobandi Mawlana
10:34Ilmi is a
10:34khitaab given by
10:35so I am
10:36as Muslim as it gets
10:38and I have lived there
10:39and I know
10:39what the conversation
10:40is about
10:41the conversations
10:42in Muslim households
10:43which only talk about
10:45political identity
10:46and religious identity
10:47must change
10:49we are just not
10:50political beings
10:51or religious beings
10:52we are cultural beings
10:54intellectual beings
10:55we are so many more things
10:56but it is only about
10:57politics and religion
10:58in every Muslim household
11:00you will only find
11:00that conversation
11:01and it is always about
11:03left or right
11:04so this is something
11:06that somebody
11:07from the community
11:08must say
11:08and I want to say
11:09that openly
11:10because I have
11:11we have all been there
11:12and people will not
11:13be honest
11:14Rahul
11:15with you
11:15so let me ask
11:17maybe things are changing
11:19we are traitor
11:20of a kind to say
11:21but the conversations
11:23in our lives
11:24with each other
11:24must change
11:25and of discourse
11:26political
11:27so let me ask
11:27Mr. Junaidi
11:28I believe that he is
11:30not from Kashmir
11:31he is a mainland
11:31Muslim
11:33that is what
11:34we are being told
11:35so let me ask him
11:36now
11:37you heard some
11:39Kashmiri politicians
11:40Mr. Junaidi
11:41say that
11:41don't label us
11:42but you don't ask
11:45how is it
11:46that people
11:47feel the compulsion
11:49not that I agree
11:50with them
11:50you want to talk
11:53about how the media
11:53operates
11:54the narrative
11:54is already planted
11:55the algorithm
11:55the streets of Kanpur
11:57where Shazia Ilmi
11:59grew up
11:59or anywhere else
12:01hit the street
12:02against Umar Nabi
12:03there were no protests
12:05to say
12:05sorry this is not
12:07in our name
12:07I'll tell you
12:09one thing sir
12:10that when Hindus
12:11for example
12:11that horrible
12:12member
12:13that horrible
12:14Assamese
12:15BJP leader
12:16who put out
12:18that ghastly
12:19photograph
12:20we all question
12:22Hindus
12:23people like me
12:24we all said
12:24what nonsense
12:25is this
12:25when another
12:26individual
12:27from the BJP
12:28got up
12:28and abused
12:29a member of
12:29parliament
12:30in the Lok Sabha
12:30I called for action
12:32against that
12:32particular individual
12:33but I want to
12:35ask you sir
12:36where is the
12:38Muslim
12:39Bharatia
12:40Indian Muslim
12:41why isn't he
12:43coming out
12:43and saying
12:44that when people
12:45take out
12:46rallies for
12:47Nasrallah
12:48or for
12:49Sinwar
12:50the Hamas
12:50chief
12:51when he was
12:51killed
12:52they are not
12:53being honest
12:54to themselves
12:55to their faith
12:56or to humanity
12:57I don't see
12:58that sir
12:59bulky what I
13:01see
13:01on the contrary
13:02what I see
13:02is rationalization
13:03no no no
13:04Israel is this
13:05Israel is that
13:06you conveniently
13:07forget the Hamas
13:08the Hamas
13:09says that we
13:10want to remove
13:11all Jews
13:12between the river
13:13and the sea
13:14so and so forth
13:15I want to ask
13:15you sir
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