TaiwanPlus speaks to judge KJ Hsu on what Taiwan can do about increasing numbers of Chinese espionage cases. That's after prosecutors on Tuesday indicted seven people, including two active-duty service members, for their roles in an alleged spy ring.
00:00Why do you think espionage case numbers have gone up in recent years?
00:04So there are two main reasons. First, formal and informal cross-trade communication has
00:09sharply decreased recently, so the CCP relies more on covert information gathering.
00:15Second, China pieces together small bits of information to strengthen its lavish
00:21and gray zone pressure on Taiwan.
00:24How do you think Taiwan can continue to strengthen its defenses against espionage
00:28and this type of Chinese infiltration?
00:30First, encourage earlier internal reporting rather than creating fear through sole punishment by
00:37national security laws. People in the military must feel safe to speak it out.
00:43Second, provide incentive for reporting espionage. Many institutions lack counterintelligence units,
00:50so reporting is very essential. Catching spies should be seen as a positive sign instead of a
00:57sign of poor discipline. It reflects more attempt infiltration, not institution failure.
01:05Successful detection shows our systems work, and that Taiwan is becoming more resilient
01:11as this threat spreads across society. So we should encourage investigations across institutions,
01:18both in the military and non-military. If we only blame instead of encourage,
01:24we will have more espionage activity in Taiwan. I think we should increase a little bit for a sentence.
01:33And also for the criminal due process, we also needed some improvements of evidence, like we need more
01:42collaboration with our allies from outside to side kind of intelligence-sharing MOU to strengthen our abilities and provide more solid evidence on the trial.
01:58We should balance between human rights protections and espionage regulations. If we do too less, that will make
02:06the explanation activity increase. If we do more, it will become another Ancetorian power.
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