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00:00Born to be the healer, Henry was the guy.

00:04In the alternative medicine world, patients would come in from all different parts of the country to see him.

00:10When you go to the clinic, it just kind of oozed of peacefulness.

00:15He had the magic.

00:19Emily had her own little table and her crayons.

00:23Her mom, Jenny, was there working in the clinic.

00:27It's kind of good therapy to be with the three of them.

00:30They did make a good team.

00:32We were business partners with Henry, and we were becoming friends.

00:37We really had a beautiful road ahead of us.

00:43He had a 10 a.m. meeting with his normal investment group.

00:46It was probably, you know, a good 45 minutes after the meeting was supposed to start that we all kind of went, where is Henry?

00:53If he was going to be two minutes late, he called.

00:55Alex, we're trying to call Henry, and was going straight to voicemail.

00:58So for him to miss this meeting would be a big deal.

01:02He just wouldn't.

01:03Something was not right.

01:04We all had a pit in our stomach, and we were trying to find a reason why that pit shouldn't be there.

01:10Emily's birthday is coming up.

01:13Maybe they took her to Disneyland.

01:15Somebody's got to go over to their house and check on them.

01:18Mark finally gets in touch with Don Goldberg.

01:20Very unusual not to get any communication from either Jenny or Henry.

01:26By midday, I decided to go to the home.

01:29From the outside, it looked normal.

01:32Went to the front door.

01:33The door was closed, but it was not locked.

01:35The two vehicles were in the garage, which you could see through the windows at the top of the garage door.

01:41Then I called 911.

01:43They came over and did a welfare check.

01:47Around 5.30 that evening, two deputies arrived, made entry, called out, no response, and then started to look to see if there was any sign of foul play.

01:57And that's what led them to open the garage door.

02:00And then if you walk around the first car, they can see what appears to be three bodies wrapped in plastic and duct tape.

02:10Within a minute or two sunk in that the three bodies were Henry, Jenny, and Emily.

02:18My friends were gone.

02:20There's a certain amount of shock that sets in.

02:23We didn't hear back from Don.

02:25We didn't eat that night.

02:27We didn't sleep that night.

02:29A five-year-old.

02:32Three days short of her birthday.

02:34It shook us all to our core.

02:36It was rough.

02:39Things started rapidly going into the next phase.

02:43Who, how, and why.

02:45It's a huge home.

02:47There was biological evidence throughout, primarily in the upstairs in the bedrooms where the murders took place.

02:54The smell of bleach was there, indicating a cleanup attempt.

02:58An entire family killed, presumably while they slept.

03:03We knew there was a monster out there, and we were going to find him and get him.

03:06They were going to find him.

03:08We are going to find him.

03:08Here we go.

03:09Think of your photo after you was born.

03:09There you go.

03:10Closed of Thingy.

03:11You seen Mr.

03:11Big DJ.

03:12We never knew there were more than four bodies.

03:12You made a solution.

03:13You made a solution through thefish.

03:14There you go!

03:14galaxy.

03:14Therints are quickly owned by now.

03:15You made a solution.

03:16Can't do someone that?

03:17trisk or whatever.

03:17It was

03:33you said it.

03:34They left 화� constantly playing.

03:35The End

04:05I was in the kitchen on my computer and I kept checking and I just remember screaming, they're all dead.

04:22Dr. Han, his wife Jenny and their five-year-old daughter Emily were found dead in the garage of their Santa Barbara home.

04:31Mark had just seen them on his way back from a business trip.

04:35We went off to dinner, played Connect Four with Emily.

04:39He brought his phone to me and I'm just looking at all these pictures of Emily.

04:44And they were taken the Friday before.

04:46Just horrific.

04:48Yeah.

04:51And she was just goofing around with a book.

04:53Making all these funny faces and you could tell she was loving life.

05:03The Palumbos had recently embarked on a new business venture with Dr. Han.

05:08I really love the guy.

05:09I mean, he really was smart and curious and open-minded.

05:13He had to come with food and in shorts and flip-flops, you know.

05:16Just no air about him.

05:19But what made you trust him?

05:21His passion.

05:23Yeah, the way he cared about people.

05:25Don Goldberg had known Dr. Han for more than 25 years and thought of him as a brother.

05:32To Don, he was just Henry.

05:34I was approximately 10 years older than Henry, but he still called me his younger brother.

05:41You just don't come across a friend like Henry.

05:45It's once in a lifetime friendship.

05:50When they met, Henry was making a name for himself after emigrating from China,

05:55where he came from a family of physicians.

05:58He would soon take over the Santa Barbara Herb Clinic.

06:01I had several patients who had had medication side effects.

06:07They would say, I went to see Dr. Han, and it went away.

06:11And it was like, I got to meet this guy.

06:14Dr. Glenn Miller, a psychiatrist, says he and Henry developed a mutual respect

06:19and even partnered on a book about how Eastern and Western medicine

06:23could work together to improve patients' quality of life.

06:28Henry's practice was flourishing.

06:31As far as active patients, he would see, like, in a month, it was hundreds.

06:35But he also tried to balance it.

06:38In 2009, that balance he was seeking became a reality

06:43when Henry met and married Jenny Yu.

06:48He seemed incredibly happy.

06:51It was good to see Henry that happy.

06:54Jenny was absolutely warm and lovely.

06:57When they had Emily, the dream was complete.

07:01Henry was just on cloud nine.

07:05He was a very proud father.

07:08They were often together at the clinic,

07:10where Jenny had quickly become Henry's right hand,

07:14says her friend Isaiah Oregon.

07:15He really trusted her and let her kind of take the reins.

07:21In the spring of 2016...

07:23It was my turn.

07:24...they were getting ready to celebrate Emily's sixth birthday.

07:27Where should I go?

07:29Go wherever.

07:30Go wherever?

07:31We were making plans for a birthday party,

07:33and, you know, I had all her presents wrapped.

07:35But just three days shy of her birthday,

07:38her loved ones were stricken with grief.

07:42I don't really have adequate words to describe how I felt.

07:49The sadness is too deep.

07:51As night fell on the Han estate on Wednesday, March 23rd,

07:56Don tried to process what he had just witnessed.

07:59He had called 911 when he couldn't find the Hans anywhere,

08:03and he was with sheriff's deputies

08:05when they discovered the bodies in the garage wrapped in plastic.

08:10None of it made any sense at all.

08:15Prosecutor Ben Ledenig says it was shortly before midnight

08:18when Santa Barbara Sheriff's investigators

08:21obtained a search warrant

08:23and began to piece together what had happened inside the house.

08:28It appeared the family had been shot while they slept upstairs

08:32on the second floor,

08:34Henry in the couple's bedroom,

08:36and Janie and Emily across the hall in Emily's room.

08:41Emily's room was tough to see.

08:43Mom probably read her stories

08:45to have Emily go to sleep that night

08:48and was sleeping with her.

08:50What did that tell you about the depravity

08:52of the kind of person who could do something like that?

08:55What were they after?

08:56We didn't know what he was after,

09:00but the depravity, I've never seen anything like it.

09:04Detectives picked up on the distinct smell

09:07of the murderer's attempts to cover his tracks.

09:10The smell of bleach was there.

09:11We had bleach bottles found.

09:13There were bleach stains on the carpet

09:16and throughout other items upstairs.

09:18And then you see bloody things in a washing machine.

09:21All the bedding, which had been stripped from the beds,

09:25was found piled in the laundry room

09:27and in the machine.

09:29The washing machine, the alarm had gone off

09:32because the load was unbalanced.

09:35And within there are a huge group of bloody sheets.

09:40Wedged in pillows in the laundry,

09:42crime scene investigators found a .22 caliber bullet

09:45and bullet fragments.

09:47Three matching shell casings were found

09:49within the wrapping of Jenny's body.

09:51And one was later found

09:53lodged between the baseboard and box spring

09:56of Emily's bed.

09:57We had one bullet that was a through and through.

10:00It was perfect for comparison for the murder weapon.

10:05As things are going, we start to find clues

10:09as to who potentially could be involved.

10:13Inside a paper bag next to Henry's bed,

10:16detectives found a document

10:18signed the last day Henry was seen alive.

10:22It provided a name.

10:24It's basically a four-page business contract

10:26between two partners.

10:28Partner one, Pierre Hopsch,

10:30and partner two, Dr. Hahn.

10:32Don Goldberg knew a Pierre

10:34that Dr. Hahn was associated with.

10:36But Don thought he was harmless.

10:38I did not think that Pierre

10:41was capable of murder.

10:43I never really saw Pierre

10:45become angry or agitated.

10:48But the Palombos had a bad feeling.

10:51You didn't trust him.

10:52I did not.

10:53This community was left with a scar.

11:16The indelible scar left by the murders

11:19was the kind that not even Dr. Hahn

11:22could have healed.

11:24It was like a bomb exploded.

11:28Nobody could move for weeks.

11:31There was something very, very, very dark going on.

11:34Kimberly Ruff says Dr. Hahn treated her family

11:37for two decades.

11:38He could do anything.

11:40Ever since she was diagnosed with thyroid cancer

11:43shortly after giving birth to her son.

11:46Kimberly says Dr. Hahn's holistic approach

11:49allowed her to nurse her newborn

11:51while still treating her tumors.

11:54No matter how scared you might be

11:55or frightened,

11:57you just left feeling like

11:59it's going to be okay.

12:02You know, he was something.

12:03Instilling hope may have been one of the secrets

12:06to why his patients say

12:07Dr. Hahn could heal just about anything.

12:11Dr. Hahn, like, saved my life.

12:14Sherry Biron was also a young mother with cancer

12:17when she went to Dr. Hahn.

12:19My daughter, Abby, was 15 months old.

12:22I felt a lump under my armpit.

12:26Even though she had the prescribed surgery

12:28and chemotherapy,

12:29she credits Dr. Hahn with her survival.

12:32There were so many people that passed away around me.

12:35He got me through it.

12:36What was the impact for you of his loss?

12:39It's the fear of if something comes back.

12:41And I'm trying every day to be positive

12:44and try to stay with his level of calm

12:46and how much confidence he had

12:48that, like, everything's taken care of.

12:51That conviction is what had drawn the Palumbos,

12:54who worked in the skin care industry,

12:56into their partnership with Dr. Hahn,

12:58hoping to treat various skin maladies.

13:01Henry was very interested in CBD.

13:03Having used CBD in his practice

13:05to treat pain and inflammation,

13:08Henry wanted to harness its full potential.

13:11It was groundbreaking science at the time,

13:14and he wanted 25-year-old Pierre Hopsch

13:16to help develop it.

13:18Pierre, from what we gathered,

13:20had a lot of experience in laboratories,

13:25in this case relating to CBD.

13:27Henry had taken a liking to Pierre

13:29after meeting him through another associate.

13:32But the Palumbos were uncomfortable

13:34with Pierre from the start.

13:36You know how when you meet somebody,

13:38you can't put your finger on it,

13:40but something's not right?

13:43That was Pierre.

13:44It was always this kind of little boiling simmer.

13:47When it came time to do the lab work,

13:49the Palumbos say the results were disturbing.

13:52What we came to find out

13:54was he was using toxic materials.

13:57When we called him on it,

13:59he said, you know,

14:00just learning more about the molecules.

14:02It was just weird.

14:04As it turned out,

14:05Pierre wasn't a formally trained scientist.

14:08He didn't even have a college degree.

14:10The more you got onto that surface,

14:13the more you realize that

14:14he could talk a game

14:16and stay over the folks' heads

14:18a bit scientifically.

14:20Sounds like he was sort of

14:21a snake oil salesman type, right?

14:24He was.

14:25Sophisticated one.

14:26Yeah, very sophisticated one.

14:28There was more eyebrow-raising behavior.

14:30Pierre had also made odd charges

14:32on Henry's account.

14:35I was doing all the finances,

14:37and I'm like,

14:38this doesn't look right.

14:39Not a business expense.

14:40Not at all.

14:41After Marla flagged the charges to Henry,

14:43he discovered they were for escort services.

14:47Henry was,

14:48you won't believe this.

14:49Pierre's out.

14:50That was the final straw.

14:51That was Henry's final straw.

14:53But then,

14:53a few weeks before the murders,

14:55Mark and Marla say

14:57Henry brought up Pierre

14:58out of the blue.

15:00Henry mentioned

15:01that he had learned

15:03a lot more

15:04about Pierre's upbringing,

15:06how much Pierre

15:07had to overcome

15:08from his childhood.

15:10Mark Nori

15:11really responded.

15:12We didn't want

15:13to have Pierre

15:14back in our fold

15:16at all.

15:17The Palombos

15:18were not alone

15:19in being wary

15:20of Pierre.

15:21Jenny's friend,

15:22Isaiah,

15:23says Jenny

15:23also had concerns

15:25and confided in him

15:26about them

15:27four days

15:28before the murders.

15:29It was weighing

15:30on her heavily.

15:31Do we trust him?

15:32Do we give him

15:32another chance?

15:34I was like,

15:34absolutely not.

15:35If he stole from you

15:36before,

15:36he's going to steal

15:37from you again.

15:38But Pierre

15:38had already

15:39ingratiated himself

15:41back into

15:42Henry's goodwill.

15:43Henry had a very

15:44trusting nature.

15:46Henry had shared

15:47with me that

15:48Pierre told him

15:49that he was ill,

15:50that it was

15:51late stage cancer,

15:53and that he was

15:55going to do

15:55what he could

15:56to help Pierre.

15:57Using Henry's good nature

15:59by lying to him,

16:00by manipulating him.

16:02Authorities learned

16:03that Pierre had been

16:04an overnight guest

16:05at the Hans' home

16:06before the murders

16:08and had formed

16:09a new partnership

16:10with the healer.

16:11There was that contract

16:12found in the master bedroom

16:14they had signed

16:15the last day

16:16of Henry's life.

16:18But prosecutor

16:18Ben Ledinig says

16:20it didn't seem

16:21legitimate.

16:22It was like

16:23a college sophomore

16:24drafted it.

16:25It was not notarized,

16:27not witnessed.

16:28Detectives had found

16:29something else

16:30of interest.

16:31A brilliant detective

16:33found packaging

16:34to the plastic wrapping

16:36that all three

16:37of the Hahn family

16:38were wrapped in

16:39in a trash can

16:40in the kitchen area.

16:41next to packaging

16:43of 3M duct tape,

16:45similar to the duct tape

16:47that was used

16:47to wrap all three

16:48of the bodies.

16:49He recognized

16:50the plastic wrap

16:51was a Home Depot brand

16:52and reached out

16:54to the company's

16:55security department.

16:56And Home Depot

16:57was,

16:58within hours

16:59of us getting

17:01an entry into the house,

17:02able to run

17:03those two items

17:05together to see

17:06if they had been

17:06purchased

17:07in the Southern

17:08California region

17:09within the last

17:11several days

17:12or weeks.

17:13A Home Depot

17:14in Oceanside,

17:15California

17:16had security footage

17:17of a man

17:19who matched

17:19the DMV photo

17:21of Pierre Hopch

17:22who also happened

17:23to have

17:24an Oceanside address.

17:25And that was Bam.

17:26We knew.

17:27He's walking out

17:28with three

17:29huge plastic rolls

17:31and,

17:31sure enough,

17:32duct tape.

17:32So within hours

17:34of the crime scene

17:36being discovered,

17:37Pierre Hopch

17:38became

17:38person of interest.

17:40Yes.

17:41But where was

17:42Pierre now?

17:43Detectives had a hunch.

17:45Data from the

17:46Hans' cell phones,

17:47which were missing,

17:49showed they were

17:49traveling south,

17:51further and further

17:52from Santa Barbara.

17:54Then,

17:55inexplicably,

17:56Henry's phone

17:57goes dark,

17:58but Jenny's

17:59is still on,

18:00and it keeps

18:00going south.

18:01We're getting

18:02basically digital

18:04footprints

18:04leading down

18:05to the

18:07Oceanside area

18:08from

18:09a dead

18:10woman's phone.

18:25Any time

18:26we're trying

18:26to stop

18:26somebody that is

18:27wanted for

18:28homicide,

18:29the stakes

18:29are going

18:29to be high.

18:30The day

18:31after the

18:31Hans family

18:32was found

18:33murdered,

18:34a manhunt

18:34was underway

18:35in Oceanside,

18:36California,

18:37nearly 200 miles

18:39from the crime scene.

18:40Sergeant Anthony

18:41Flores and his

18:42partner were part

18:43of the local

18:43Oceanside police

18:44team assisting

18:46the Santa Barbara

18:47investigation.

18:48We had come

18:49in to work

18:50with our

18:50special enforcement

18:51section,

18:52and we were

18:52going to be

18:52the stop car

18:53for that day.

18:54We had to have

18:55a window of

18:55opportunity

18:55to take him

18:57into custody

18:57or potentially

18:58stop him.

18:58Meanwhile,

19:00undercover detectives

19:01were conducting

19:01surveillance at

19:02the residence

19:03Pierre Hopp shared

19:04with his father

19:05and updating

19:06all units,

19:08including the

19:08homicide team

19:09that had driven

19:10down from Santa

19:11Barbara

19:12with Prosecutor

19:13Ben Ladine.

19:14All of a sudden,

19:15we get chatter

19:16on our intercoms.

19:18Dad's on the move.

19:19The surveillance

19:20team followed

19:21Pierre's father

19:22as he drove

19:22to a Walmart

19:23parking lot

19:24where security

19:25cameras captured

19:26him meeting up

19:27with none other

19:29than Pierre.

19:30That's Dad

19:31driving in

19:32Sedan,

19:33and then you see

19:34the Lexus

19:35following shortly

19:36behind.

19:38They appear

19:38to be communicating

19:39briefly together.

19:41You can just

19:42see that trunk

19:43pop.

19:43Yeah.

19:44On Dad's car.

19:45After transferring

19:46two large

19:47duffel bags

19:47to Pierre's car,

19:49they both

19:51drove off.

19:52We got to

19:52move quickly.

19:53It was a little

19:54after midnight,

19:55and we just

19:55got the update

19:56that the suspect

19:57was on the move.

19:59As we're traveling,

20:00we're hearing

20:00that he's pulling

20:01into the ARCO

20:02station.

20:03We had a few

20:03miles of a head

20:04start.

20:04The other units

20:05and Ladinic

20:06had pulled over

20:07by the ARCO

20:08station,

20:09waiting for the

20:10arrest team

20:10to arrive.

20:11And all of a

20:12sudden,

20:13you see

20:13an unmarked

20:14car drive

20:15right through

20:15the middle

20:16of that intersection.

20:17Sparks fly,

20:18and it just

20:19basically comes

20:19in and pulls

20:20in and lays

20:21on the brakes.

20:22Two huge

20:22dudes get

20:23out of the

20:23car and

20:24pull a gun

20:25on him

20:25and prone

20:25him out.

20:26And our

20:27eyes are like

20:27saucy.

20:28We're like,

20:28whoa.

20:29Wow.

20:30It's 200 miles

20:31away that this

20:32investigation started

20:33and it culminated

20:34here.

20:35Sergeant Flores

20:36had handcuffed

20:37Pierre.

20:38What do you

20:38remember about

20:39that arrest?

20:40I remember

20:40it going down

20:41really fast.

20:42All of our

20:42senses were

20:43heightened.

20:44Within 48

20:44hours of the

20:45murders,

20:46investigators had

20:47the Hahn family's

20:48alleged killer

20:49in custody.

20:51Pierre Hopsch

20:52waived his

20:52Miranda rights

20:53and started

20:54talking to

20:55detectives.

20:56What he told

20:57them was something

20:58out of a spy

20:59thriller.

21:00He claimed

21:00that his life

21:01was in danger.

21:02Over the past

21:03couple of days,

21:04I kid you not,

21:05I'd been shot

21:06at.

21:07Probably about

21:08five individuals

21:11so far that I

21:12shot in self-defense.

21:15He claimed he

21:16was being targeted

21:17because of a

21:18scientific marvel

21:19he had invented.

21:20What does it do?

21:21It's a very,

21:23very advanced

21:23energy source.

21:24It's a quantum

21:25kind of energy

21:26source.

21:27I think probably

21:28at least 15

21:28individuals who

21:29have been connected

21:30to this project

21:31are dead.

21:32Pierre said he

21:33had gone to

21:33Dr. Hahn's house

21:34earlier in the

21:35week to install

21:36one of his

21:37perpetual energy

21:38devices and

21:39that the plastic

21:40wrap and duct

21:41tape he was

21:41seen purchasing

21:42were for that

21:43purpose.

21:44Dr. Henry,

21:45we signed a

21:46contract together.

21:47He was going

21:47to facilitate

21:48taking the

21:48technology out

21:49to China.

21:50Loved the guy

21:51to death.

21:52He really

21:52liked this

21:54project.

21:55Pierre said

21:55he had left

21:56Santa Barbara

21:57around 2 p.m.

21:58on March 22nd,

21:59the day before

22:00the murders,

22:01after signing

22:02the contract.

22:03But detectives

22:04pushed back.

22:05Is there

22:05more to this

22:06story that

22:06you're not

22:07telling me?

22:07He talked

22:08about his

22:09family murder

22:09once.

22:10I had no

22:11clue that,

22:13oh my gosh,

22:15everything was

22:16perfectly fine

22:16when I left.

22:17Pierre was

22:18adamant he

22:19would never

22:19hurt the

22:20family and

22:20insisted the

22:22shadowy figures

22:23who had been

22:23after him had

22:24killed the

22:25Hans and were

22:26trying to frame

22:27him for murder.

22:28It was this

22:35massive conspiracy

22:36to keep this

22:38next level

22:39energy system

22:40from getting

22:41out to market.

22:42James Bond,

22:42Mission Impossible,

22:43this fantastical

22:45life.

22:45I jumped out

22:46the window.

22:47Pierre's outlandish

22:48story continued,

22:49but then detectives

22:50received an

22:51unexpected call

22:52from someone who

22:54claimed to have

22:54information about

22:55the murders.

22:57I'm a pretty

22:57rough around the

22:58edges guy.

22:59I have rough

22:59around the

23:00edges friends.

23:01TJ Dorito was

23:02a marijuana

23:03grower who

23:03said Dr. Hahn

23:04had approached

23:05him about

23:06supplying CBD

23:07rich strains.

23:09TJ had also

23:10met Pierre.

23:11Dr. Henry had

23:12told me that he

23:13was like a

23:14prodigy street

23:14chemist.

23:15He had done

23:15some stuff that

23:16was out of his

23:16time.

23:17So a little

23:17bit of a mad

23:18scientist.

23:19Yeah, I would

23:19say.

23:20According to

23:21TJ, Pierre had

23:22a penchant for

23:23making up grandiose

23:24stories to seek

23:26attention, but he

23:27befriended him

23:28nonetheless.

23:29He was that

23:30awkward kid that

23:32wanted to fit in,

23:33and I was the

23:35guy in high school

23:35that stuck up for

23:36kids like that, so

23:37I took an interest

23:39in him in that

23:40regard.

23:40Do you think he

23:41trusted you then?

23:42Oh, he absolutely

23:43trusted me.

23:44As TJ revealed to

23:46detectives, Pierre had

23:47reached out to him

23:48via text the morning

23:50of the murders.

23:51The message sent at

23:529.39 a.m.

23:54said, I need your

23:56help with something

23:57urgently, like it's

23:59urgent.

24:00What was he asking

24:01for?

24:02Uh, he needed my

24:03help moving something.

24:05He says Pierre told

24:06him he was in Santa

24:07Barbara and needed to

24:09talk face-to-face, so

24:11TJ had him come to

24:12his house in Thousand

24:13Oaks, about an hour

24:15away.

24:16The first thing out of

24:16his mouth, just so you

24:17know, I'm a monster.

24:19He had told me right

24:20then and there that he

24:21had killed Dr. Henry,

24:22his wife, and his

24:23child, and needed

24:25help.

24:25Did he give you

24:26details of what he

24:27did?

24:29He did.

24:30TJ told detectives

24:31Pierre said he had

24:32tried to put the

24:33bodies in his car, but

24:34they wouldn't all fit,

24:36and Henry was too

24:37heavy.

24:38Details Lodinic says

24:40only the killer would

24:41know.

24:42How the killings were

24:43done, how the bodies

24:44were wrapped up, how

24:46he had the doctor's

24:47phone.

24:48TJ told detectives

24:49Pierre had also

24:50revealed his motive.

24:51$20 million that he

24:53planned to drain from

24:54Henry's accounts after

24:56killing the family.

24:58TJ says he didn't

24:59know if what he was

25:00hearing was another

25:00one of Pierre's

25:01far-fetched stories.

25:03And until he knew

25:04for sure, he decided

25:05to play along.

25:07I just wanted to get

25:08him out of the house

25:09and confirm whether

25:11what he had just said

25:12was true or not.

25:12I said, let me work

25:13on it and I'll call

25:14you later.

25:15Once Pierre was

25:16gone, TJ tried to

25:18reach Dr. Hahn and

25:19anyone who might have

25:20information to no

25:22avail.

25:22I didn't want to

25:23call the police

25:24because I wasn't

25:25sure yet.

25:26It was chaotic.

25:27It was scary and

25:28also confusing.

25:30Pierre kept

25:30messaging him.

25:32Around 5 p.m.

25:33when TJ still hadn't

25:35provided any assistance,

25:37Pierre texted him

25:38with a proposition.

25:39Want to come to

25:40Vegas tonight?

25:41I'll pay.

25:42What did you think

25:42the reason for that

25:44all of a sudden

25:45trip to Vegas?

25:46At that point, I

25:47wasn't sure.

25:48It didn't sound

25:49right.

25:49It was probably

25:50going to kill me

25:51and somehow make it

25:52look like I had

25:53something to do with

25:54it.

25:54You were going to

25:55be the fall guy.

25:56Right.

25:57TJ made up an

25:57excuse why he

25:58couldn't go and

26:00Pierre would send

26:01him one final text

26:02at 735 that night.

26:05Yep, I'm screwed.

26:07They just found

26:08everything.

26:09My life's over.

26:10Only if I'd got to

26:11it all sooner.

26:12Ledenik says Pierre

26:14had just returned

26:15to the crime scene

26:16with a big truck

26:18to transport the

26:19bodies, but law

26:21enforcement had

26:22beaten him to the

26:23scene.

26:24He knew his goose

26:24was cooked.

26:38Pierre Hopche's

26:39arrest near

26:39Oceanside,

26:40California,

26:41had come at a

26:42critical juncture.

26:44He was armed

26:44with a 9mm

26:45handgun that

26:47was in plain

26:47view on the

26:49driver's side

26:50floorboard.

26:51He also had

26:52his passport

26:52and those

26:53duffel bags,

26:54which he had

26:54received from

26:55his father

26:56minutes earlier.

26:57Two go bags.

26:59Basically,

27:00whatever you need,

27:01clothes,

27:02everything for

27:02the person to

27:03live for months.

27:05Hopche's father

27:05was also detained

27:07and questioned,

27:08but he was

27:08released later

27:09that morning.

27:10We could have

27:11charged him

27:12as an accessory,

27:14but we didn't

27:14have any indication

27:16that dad was

27:16involved in any

27:17way, shape, or

27:18form in the

27:18killing.

27:19The next day,

27:20during a closer

27:21examination of

27:22Hopche's car at

27:23the crime lab,

27:24you name it,

27:25we found it in

27:25that car.

27:26There was Henry's

27:27wallet, credit card,

27:29and social security

27:30number, along with

27:32an expended

27:32shell casing.

27:34There were also

27:35the victim's phones

27:36and tablets, all

27:37wrapped in aluminum

27:38foil in an attempt

27:40to evade tracking.

27:41In the trunk, you lift

27:43up where the spare tire

27:44would be, the

27:45murder weapon,

27:46suppressor, silencer,

27:48ammunition.

27:49A week after the

27:50murders, the

27:51autopsies revealed

27:52the victims had

27:53been shot 14

27:54times, three

27:56each into

27:57Henry and

27:57Jenny, and

27:58most disturbing,

28:00eight in

28:01Emily.

28:02That ammunition

28:03is the same

28:04stuff that we

28:05found at the

28:05crime scene,

28:06in the

28:06decedent's

28:07bodies, match,

28:08match, match,

28:09match, match,

28:09everything.

28:10Pierre Hopsch

28:11was charged

28:12with three

28:12counts of

28:13first-degree

28:14murder, making

28:15him eligible

28:16for the death

28:16penalty.

28:17It was one

28:19of the most

28:19challenging cases,

28:20if not the

28:21most challenging

28:21case I ever

28:22came upon.

28:24Defense attorney

28:24Christine Voss,

28:26who was with

28:26the public

28:26defender's office

28:27at the time,

28:28represented

28:29Hopsch.

28:30He really

28:31wanted to

28:32be vindicated.

28:33To me, the

28:34goal was for

28:35him to not

28:36get death.

28:37At the

28:3711th hour,

28:38the DA's

28:39office agreed

28:39to waive

28:40the death

28:41penalty in

28:42exchange for

28:43a more

28:43expedient bench

28:44trial, which

28:45meant a judge,

28:46not jury, would

28:48render a verdict.

28:49On October 25,

28:512021, more

28:52than five and a

28:53half years

28:53after the

28:54murders, the

28:55prosecution

28:55delivered its

28:56opening statement

28:57and laid out

28:59its theory of

28:59the case, that

29:01Pierre Hopsch

29:01had plotted the

29:02murder of the

29:03Hahn family for

29:04financial gain.

29:06They painted him

29:07as a career

29:08con man, who

29:09up until the

29:10murders, flaunted

29:11his intelligence

29:12and supposed

29:13wealth.

29:14His entire

29:15life's drive was

29:16being rich.

29:18He sent

29:19screenshots of

29:20his Chase

29:20account from

29:21anywhere from

29:22about $3 million

29:23up to $940

29:25million to

29:26various people

29:27attempting to

29:28dupe them that

29:29he's this jet

29:30setting billionaire.

29:31Hopsch claimed he

29:32had received big

29:33offers for his

29:34energy technology.

29:35I'm not a

29:36scientist, but I

29:37don't know that

29:38there's a such

29:38thing as a

29:38perpetual energy

29:39machine.

29:40But several

29:41years before the

29:42murders, Hopsch

29:43was actually being

29:44paid to build

29:45one.

29:45It was going to

29:46be a new source

29:47of energy, as if

29:48he was, you

29:49know, an Elon

29:50Musk.

29:51Samantha Spidell

29:52met Pierre Hopsch

29:53circa 2012 when

29:55he moved into a

29:55penthouse apartment

29:56in a luxury

29:57high-rise she

29:58managed in

29:59Tempe, Arizona.

30:01He pulled up

30:01and had this

30:02bright red Ferrari.

30:03It was very

30:03flashy.

30:04Ludinic says

30:06Hopsch had

30:06duped a group

30:07of high-rolling

30:08investors into

30:09financing his

30:10invention until

30:11they realized it

30:13didn't actually

30:14work.

30:15He had basically

30:16defrauded all

30:17these people and

30:18the money dried

30:18up.

30:19When the murders

30:19were committed,

30:20I think he had

30:21less than $500

30:21to his name.

30:24Prosecutors

30:24presented a

30:25detailed timeline

30:26retracing Hopsch's

30:28movements,

30:29including his

30:30digital footprint

30:31in the days

30:32before and

30:33after the

30:34murders.

30:35They say as

30:35early as

30:36March 17th,

30:38six days before

30:39the murders,

30:40he had looked

30:40into impersonating

30:42the doctor at

30:43his bank.

30:43He's searching

30:44for Asian

30:45disguises and

30:47real-flesh masks.

30:49Like a Mission

30:49Impossible face

30:50mask.

30:51100%.

30:51This is his

30:52fantastical world

30:53that he lived

30:54in.

30:54There's no

30:55evidence he

30:55ever purchased

30:56a mask,

30:57but a

30:58time-stamped

30:58receipt and

30:59security video

31:00placed him

31:01at an

31:02Arizona

31:02gun store

31:03four days

31:04before the

31:05murders,

31:06purchasing

31:07ammunition

31:07and two

31:08firearms,

31:10including the

31:10alleged murder

31:11weapon.

31:1222 pistol

31:14with a

31:15threaded barrel

31:16for what is

31:17a silencer

31:18or suppressor.

31:19On March

31:2020th, he was

31:21back in

31:21Oceanside,

31:22California,

31:23buying supplies

31:24before driving

31:25up to the

31:25Hans'

31:26house under

31:27the guise of

31:27installing the

31:28energy machine.

31:30Instead,

31:31Ledenig says

31:32Hopsch bugged

31:33Henry's computer

31:34with a spyware

31:35app called

31:36a keylogger.

31:38What keyloggers

31:38do is every

31:39stroke,

31:40every click

31:41of the mouse,

31:42every navigation

31:43page you go,

31:44it documents

31:45all of it.

31:46To their

31:47surprise,

31:48investigators also

31:49found the

31:50keylogger on

31:50Hopsch's laptop.

31:52On March

31:5221st, while

31:54Hopsch was still

31:54at the Hans'

31:55home,

31:56the keylogger

31:57had recorded

31:57chilling search

31:59terms on his

31:59laptop.

32:01What part of

32:01the skull

32:02is more

32:03penetrable?

32:04What ammunition

32:05would be better?

32:06As a guest

32:07in Dr. Hans'

32:08house, you've

32:08been staying

32:09there for the

32:10two nights

32:10before,

32:11planning this

32:12execution-style

32:13murder.

32:15Pierre Hopsch

32:15left the

32:16Hans residence

32:17on March

32:1722nd.

32:18The prosecutors

32:19allege he went

32:20back around

32:214 a.m.

32:21the next morning

32:22to carry out

32:23the murders.

32:25They say

32:25later that

32:26day,

32:26he began

32:27frantically

32:28trying to

32:28siphon money

32:29from Henry's

32:30accounts.

32:31He's using

32:32phones.

32:33He's using

32:33fake email

32:34accounts.

32:35He's doing

32:35all these

32:36things from

32:37personal

32:38identifying

32:38information of

32:39Dr. Hans

32:40that he stole

32:41earlier that

32:42week.

32:43A chase

32:44fraud alert

32:45had flagged

32:46an attempted

32:46payment for

32:47$72,000.

32:49Meanwhile,

32:49Hopsch also

32:50rented that

32:51big truck

32:52he allegedly

32:53drove to

32:53the crime

32:54scene,

32:54hoping to

32:55move the

32:55bodies.

32:56There are

32:57black and

32:57whites all

32:58over that

32:58house.

32:59The crime

33:00scene's being

33:00processed.

33:01The Plumbo's

33:02say the meeting

33:03they were

33:03supposed to

33:04have with

33:04Henry just

33:05hours after

33:05he was

33:06murdered had

33:07foiled

33:08Pierre Hopsch's

33:09plans.

33:10He thought

33:11that he had

33:11that whole day

33:12to clean up

33:12his mess

33:13before Henry

33:14would be missed.

33:15I think we

33:16screwed it up

33:17for him.

33:18Happily.

33:18That's when

33:19prosecutors say

33:20he fled,

33:22driving south

33:23toward Oceanside.

33:25Ledinig argues

33:26Hopsch's subsequent

33:27searches betray

33:28his guilty

33:29conscience.

33:30Is car searched

33:32entering Tijuana?

33:33How crime scene

33:34investigation works?

33:36And how long

33:37do fingerprints

33:38take to process?

33:40Incredibly,

33:41he even consulted

33:42an online psychic

33:43named Count Marco

33:45and asked him,

33:46will I get caught

33:47for what I did?

33:49And Count Marco

33:50replies,

33:51well what did

33:52you do,

33:53Pierre?

33:54Pierre Hopsch

33:55never gave

33:56Count Marco

33:56an explanation.

33:58But on the stand,

34:00he couldn't

34:01stop talking.

34:17this was a tough

34:19case.

34:21But that didn't

34:22change the fact

34:23that Pierre

34:24was entitled

34:25to a vigorous

34:25defense.

34:27Defense attorney

34:28Christine Voss

34:29was in an

34:29unusual position.

34:31This was a

34:31really well

34:32investigated case

34:33because my

34:35client wanted

34:36to have a trial

34:37and wanted me

34:38to turn every

34:39stone.

34:40I did.

34:41Turn every

34:42stone and raise

34:43any possible

34:44reasonable doubt.

34:45You argued

34:46that there

34:47were elements

34:47presented that

34:48were implausible,

34:50unprovable,

34:51and simply

34:52impossible.

34:53Those were

34:53your words.

34:54Yeah.

34:55Voss expressed

34:56concerns that the

34:57alleged murder

34:58weapon and silencer

34:59found in Hopsch's

35:00car didn't match

35:02up.

35:03It absolutely

35:03did not connect

35:04to the firearm

35:06that they believed

35:07was the murder

35:07weapon.

35:08She seized on

35:09discrepancies in

35:11the location data

35:12from Hopsch's car

35:13and phone that

35:14the prosecution

35:15had used in

35:16its timeline.

35:17He could not

35:17possibly have

35:18been in San

35:20Diego and

35:21Santa Barbara

35:21simultaneously or

35:23Thousand Oaks and

35:24Santa Barbara

35:25simultaneously, but

35:26that's what the

35:27GPS data showed.

35:28And she attacked

35:29the credibility of

35:30the prosecution's

35:31star witness,

35:33T.J.

35:33Dorita.

35:35Voss questioned

35:36why Dorita waited

35:38nearly two days to

35:39contact authorities

35:40and argued in

35:42that time he

35:43could have gotten

35:44details about the

35:45crime scene that

35:46the prosecution

35:46claimed only the

35:48killer knew.

35:50It was not the

35:50best kept crime

35:51scene.

35:52He was making

35:53various phone calls

35:55after he heard

35:57about the death

35:58of Dr. Hahn.

35:59But Voss concedes

36:01much of Dorita's

36:02testimony was

36:03corroborated by the

36:04evidence.

36:05This case was over

36:06within the first

36:0772 hours.

36:08In fact, the

36:10only witness who

36:11provided testimony

36:12that someone other

36:14than Pierre Hopch was

36:15the killer was

36:17Pierre Hopch.

36:18During three days on

36:19the stand, he

36:20repeated the action

36:22packed account he

36:23had given detectives

36:24about having

36:25shootouts with

36:26shadowy figures.

36:28Now he said he

36:29was sure they were

36:30sent by the

36:31Department of

36:31Energy.

36:32It sounds like

36:33there would be a

36:33trail of bodies,

36:35but yet is there

36:36proof of this trail

36:37of bodies anywhere

36:39to your knowledge?

36:40No.

36:40Which further made

36:41him believe it was

36:42the Department of

36:43Energy.

36:44And what about

36:45all that evidence

36:46investigators found?

36:49The DOE planted

36:51them there.

36:51It's all a frame.

36:52All that stuff is

36:52framed.

36:54The banking stuff,

36:55frame job.

36:56What's in my car,

36:57frame job.

36:58It was difficult

36:59for me to

37:01embrace Pierre's

37:03testimony.

37:04Do you think he

37:05himself believed

37:07some of the things

37:08he was saying

37:09were true?

37:09Oh, yeah.

37:10Definitely.

37:12He was obsessed

37:13with the government.

37:15Samantha Spydell

37:16attests there were

37:17some kernels of

37:18truth in his stories.

37:20Pierre mentioned

37:21that his dad had

37:23ties to the CIA,

37:25and I can tell

37:27that he wanted

37:29his dad's approval.

37:31When his father

37:33died in 2023,

37:35his obituary stated

37:36he was a key player

37:38in clandestine

37:39Central Intelligence

37:40Agency operations

37:41during the 1980s.

37:43Hopsch also told

37:44Spydell that his

37:45sister was going

37:46to star in a

37:47reality TV show.

37:49She got cast on

37:51a newlyweds

37:52reality show,

37:54and Pierre was

37:54going to be in it.

37:55Come to find out,

37:57that was true.

37:58In fact,

37:59both Hopsch

38:00and his father

38:01made appearances

38:02on the second season

38:04of the Bravo TV series

38:05Newlyweds the First Year.

38:08Start by filling that up.

38:09Pierre was even shown

38:10giving his brother-in-law

38:12a cooking lesson.

38:13More black pepper.

38:15But prosecutor

38:16Ben Ledinig argued

38:18any grains of authenticity

38:19in Hopsch's life

38:21were far outweighed

38:23by deceit.

38:24You called him

38:25a lying liar

38:27who lies about lying.

38:29Right.

38:29Lie, lie, lie, lie.

38:33Hundreds of lies

38:34we found on him.

38:36His life was a con.

38:39On November 24, 2021,

38:42Judge Brian Hill

38:43would get the case.

38:44None of Pierre Hopsch's

38:45family members

38:46attended his trial.

38:48The judge made his ruling.

38:51Guilty on all counts.

38:52The judge,

38:54when he issued his ruling,

38:55said his decision

38:56was beyond a shadow

38:57of a doubt.

38:59Absolutely no doubt

39:01of Pierre Hopsch's guilt.

39:03Yeah,

39:03very satisfactory

39:04to hear that.

39:06I wasn't surprised.

39:08And what was Pierre's reaction

39:09upon hearing that ruling?

39:11Well,

39:12he was visibly disappointed.

39:13On April 15, 2022,

39:18Pierre Hopsch

39:18was sentenced

39:19to three life terms

39:21without the possibility

39:22of parole.

39:25It was little comfort

39:26to those still mourning

39:28Henry,

39:29Jenny,

39:29and Emily.

39:31I don't understand

39:32how there really

39:33could be justice.

39:36He's still alive,

39:37and they're not.

39:39He took precious moments

39:41that we'll never get.

39:45I want him to feel

39:46every pain possible

39:48for what he did.

39:49Not enough bad things

39:50can happen for him.

39:52Nearly a decade

39:53after the murders,

39:55the wounds are still raw.

39:57It's hard to think of him.

39:59He was a really good man.

40:04You don't replace

40:05a Henry Hahn?

40:07No.

40:08Pretty much every day,

40:10I think of Henry

40:10and Jenny and Emily.

40:12I love you.

40:16There's an old phrase

40:17that a good man

40:19and a good family

40:21lives for a limited time,

40:23but a good name

40:24shall live forever.

40:27They lived too short,

40:29but their name

40:30lives on forever.

40:32more than ever.

40:34I think of Henry's

40:35too short.

40:35woo!

40:40Yeah?

40:42Yeah?

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