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Delhi Environment Minister Manjinder Singh Sirsa on Monday rejected the claims that the data containing records of Delhi’s real Air Quality Index were tampered with, saying the information furnished by the Central Pollution Control Board is directly monitored by the Supreme Court itself.
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00:20We're only asking for a clean environment, clean air, to breathe.
00:24We're only asking for a clean environment, clean air, to breathe.
00:28Clean air, clean air!
00:31Clean air!
00:34Clean air, clean air!
00:37Clean air, clean air, clean air.
00:42Clean air, clean air, clean air!
00:45Clean air!
00:46I have the right to live, not just survive.
01:06I miss breathing.
01:09I don't see a good day, because it was 800 AQI.
01:14Right to live, not just survive over there.
01:19These are just some of the slogans that were seen on the streets of Delhi NCR over the weekend.
01:27Don't they just speak to you?
01:29Aren't they speaking exactly the language that you and I want to ask?
01:33There was one saying that.
01:36I miss breathing.
01:38Miss breathing clean air.
01:40But will we really ever get to know about this?
01:45Well, we'll discuss that and a lot more on the program today.
01:49I'm Sonal Merothra Kapoor.
01:50You're watching Five Live.
01:52Now, these sentiments that you're just seeing on your screen right now in the capital were just one of the hundreds and thousands of those that gathered at India Gate demanding our basic right to clean air.
02:08Protesters took to the streets, most of them wearing masks, holding placards demanding urgent government action against cities' toxic air.
02:17Activists, citizens, even kids joined the call for clean air.
02:23The protest lasted for nearly 30 minutes and saw before police began cracking down on demonstrators and started detaining them.
02:38Just some of those visuals on your screen from last evening.
02:48However, even as Delhi continued to gasp for breath and calls for the right to breathe clean air were raised, on the same day, just a few kilometres away, what was happening?
03:01Well, the Supreme Court Bar Association organised a run and a walk-a-thon.
03:06The air quality index at that point was roughly around 400 according to the government data which has been under question for a while.
03:14And the Chief Justice of India, Riyar Gawai flagged off that so-called fitness event in that terrible AQI.
03:23Netizens and citizens have questioned logic and intent behind this move.
03:27And that's not it.
03:30The Commission for Air Quality Management is still not convinced, despite all of this, that stricter air pollution norms have to be implemented immediately.
03:41Well, according to them, there is no immediate need to invoke GRAB 3 restrictions.
03:46What are GRAB 3?
03:47GRAB 3 and GRAB 4 are the ones in which you have to shut down schools, shut down construction activity, get into people working from home and when it gets even more severe in GRAB 4 and later get an odd even.
03:59What they are saying is that City's AQI remains at a higher end of very poor category.
04:06It's largely, it gets severe during the first part of the day but then it clears out because of air movement in the evening so we are not able to enforce GRAB 3.
04:15The question is, are kids going to school at later part of the day? Are you and I breathing that air when you are back home? What exactly is happening? Is that argument worth considering? And the reality on ground, what exactly does that say? Watch this report and then we'll discuss.
04:36Delhi's lungs are choking yet again. The city's air has slipped back into the danger zone. PM 2.5 and PM 10 both drowning the people in the capital.
05:00The government has imposed the GRAB 2 as a supposed shield.
05:07I want to fight from Delhi's villages. We want to fight against the pollution. We want to fight against the pollution.
05:13That's why the GRAB 2 restrictions, whether it's on construction sites, whether it's on boats or on boats, we want to fight against them.
05:19We also work with them and work with the villages.
05:21But on the ground, that shield looks full of holes.
05:27At DDU Mark, India Today Reality Check exposes how rules are being ignored at construction sites.
05:37No green curtain. No covered debris. And dust everywhere.
05:44So, when you were talking about construction sites that gradients are distributed and objects, the cursed officers, you might find out for them.
05:48The construction sites where structures come out, comes to your identification,
05:50Which way the construction clients will求 to ensure that you get ignored.
05:53Since the construction sites, they like to see construction sites set at nowhere till it exist like you.
05:56So you can see construction sites set until you theезж.
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06:06where it is considered construction sites where it is unfundased.
06:08And in North Delhi, the situation is no different.
06:21Near Nanak Piao, Gurdwara, Delhi Metro has turned the road into a dumping zone.
06:28Demolition waste stacked high.
06:30Metro work from Ghanta Ghar Chalk to Azadpur, carpeting the stretch with dust.
06:38Grab to implement होने के बावजूद भी, जिस तरीके से construction का material है और demolition का material है, वो खुले आम किस तरीके से सडकों के बीच पड़ा हुआ है, वो आप साफ तोर पर दे सकते हैं.
06:52इस डंपिंग याड को भी पूरी तरीके से कवर जो है वो करना पड़ता है और इस पर पानी का चिड़काव करना पड़ता है ताकि इसके धूल मिटी यानी PM10 और PM2.5 यानी छोटे पाटिकल जो है वो ना ओडे लेकिन खानापूर्ती के नाम पर सिर्फ आप देखेंगे एक
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07:52आने वाले आने वाले दिनों में
07:53On Delhi's streets, dust still flies and the air grows thicker by the hour.
08:03No Grab 3 rollout yet.
08:05And the big question is, who will roll up their sleeves and clean the air Delhi breathes?
08:13With Sushan Mehra, Bureau Report, India Today.
08:22What are they waiting for? Why is there no Grab 3 just yet?
08:27Are we better or worse? What's happening in the hospitals?
08:30Let's try and get answers to all those questions.
08:32First up, let's see the impact of AQI to your health directly if you're one of those who are not convinced just yet.
08:41Joining me now is Dr. Ashok Seth, Chairman of Fortis Scott's Health Institute in the National Capital.
08:46Can't think of a better name to give us a perspective on things as well.
08:49Dr. Seth, my first question to you is this.
08:53Are we at a point of no return with what is happening with AQI and what it does to our bodies?
09:01Are we now going to see a generation of kids who will have lungs and other body organs not fully formed because of air pollution?
09:13So, firstly, commendable that you bring up such important points for the public and for our health.
09:23The second aspect is this very straight question that you've really pointedly asked.
09:29Do I have a hope? I don't have a hope.
09:32Years after years after years, we've seen pollutions rise.
09:37And fascinatingly, the blame game continues on and on as to what is the cause of the pollution, but there's still nothing done about it.
09:47We talk about the health of the nation.
09:49Can you believe that we just talk about pollution this month?
09:53Actually, for the whole of the year, we live in unhealthy.
09:58It only becomes hazardous at this time.
10:00Hazardous means that we now are in a gas chamber.
10:04We were anyway have been throughout the year in bad pollution, which in the West would have been considered unsafe.
10:13Even our best days are considered unsafe for the West.
10:15And, you know, we talk about increase in heart disease and we look at causes for heart disease and we tell the whole population to exercise.
10:25One of the biggest causes of increase of heart disease and heart attacks in this country has actually been the pollution.
10:32And this pollution, by the way, does not just exist in big cities, go down to even smaller towns.
10:36It exists.
10:37I think there is a lack of will and a lack of enforcement and a lack of it becoming a national agenda.
10:46Why shouldn't it be a national agenda?
10:48How many countries do you have in your mind where you go and it's polluted?
10:53I can name those countries or perhaps there are only 20 countries across the world like ours in terms of pollution.
10:59Anywhere you go, you go to the whole of Africa, you go to the whole of Europe, you go to the whole of even Asia Pacific and you have clean air to breathe.
11:06I just can't understand why we as a nation just continue to live when at this time the heart attacks have increased by 2200 percent.
11:16We have twice more heart attacks.
11:18There are people getting admitted with strokes.
11:20There are clearly elderlies being affected with chest infections and pneumonias.
11:27We are dying.
11:29And you're right.
11:32What is going to happen to our children who anyway are developing asthma, bronchitis, pneumonias, and they're going to have bad lungs for time to come on?
11:43We talk about so many big things and yet this is the most important thing, most important hazard that we face.
11:53Especially, of course, in big metro cities, we face it all the time.
11:57Think of those young people who are on the streets doing their job, meeting their deadlines in a motorcycle and in a scooter.
12:04We have a lot more to do because it's our own children who probably will suffer from such bad lung, heart, and brain conditions in times to come
12:13that we will one day be saying, gosh, we wish we had better air to breathe.
12:18We have every luxury, fine.
12:20We can provide every system to most of our population.
12:25We say majority of our population is now insured for their health.
12:30But are they insured against the air that we breathe?
12:35Are they insured for just clean, nice environment and air?
12:39They're not.
12:40And I think, therefore, there is no intent.
12:43I agree with that.
12:44There is no intent.
12:45I understand that.
12:46I completely echo your sentiment as well.
12:49But like I said, I'm feeling pretty helpless.
12:51We've been covering the air pollution story for at least a decade now.
12:55Yes.
12:55It started with the petition at the Supreme Court.
12:57Kids had petitioned.
12:59That's when GRAB guidelines came in.
13:00That's when we thought we had moved forward.
13:03But this year seems to be a different story.
13:06I want to understand from you in what you're seeing in your own OPD, what you're hearing in the medical fraternity.
13:13Is this year better or worse, say, compared to the past five years that you've seen?
13:19Because I understand the impact of sustained toxic air, that cumulative impact is also building up.
13:26But this year particularly, is it better or worse?
13:30It's very difficult to actually say that unless we methodically analyze every data of our patient input.
13:38What we can say is that we're certainly suffering, at least I can personally say, that I'm more worried and scared this year than I was in the previous years.
13:50The pollution just seems to be overwhelming, even for me, even for my parents on an individual basis, my father who's elderly.
13:58For all of us, if I stand outside, my eyes hurt.
14:02I was yesterday, on a personal basis, just on a phone, and the signal drops in my home.
14:10So I stood outside at 8 o'clock, just talking on the phone.
14:16And by the time I was entering the house, my eyes were hurting.
14:19And that had never happened to me earlier.
14:21And it was so surprising.
14:23And that's when I realized that is so dangerous to even stand outside for half an hour outside home.
14:30So, yes, we can't say it unless we have statistics.
14:35I don't want to claim that we have statistics.
14:37We're seeing a lot of patients.
14:39We're seeing it worsening.
14:41We see it every—but I think year after year, year after year, it's been only worse.
14:46I don't recall a better day than the previous year or a worse, you know, a better year than the previous year.
14:55I only recall worse after year is worse year after year after year.
15:00Dr. Saeed, your words are powerful.
15:03I think they have a lot of meaning.
15:04And I really hope it reaches those who can actually bring an impact.
15:08When we can land Indians on the moon, when we can go and do some crazy stuff in space,
15:15when we have the tech to ensure that, you know, robotics is taking over, in medicine, in other fields as well.
15:21Why can't we solve the problem of air pollution?
15:23I think that's what's very, very, very disturbing.
15:27And on your issue, and on that issue that you said of statistics, the Lancet report, I think, makes it very, very clear.
15:35Linking air pollution to deaths now across the globe, especially here in India,
15:40to doctors now saying that you live in polluted air.
15:42You are at a high-risk category.
15:44I think we can't get more clear than that.
15:45And I think it's appalling that we have to continue to do show after show, year after year, month after month,
15:54to try and raise this matter and not get any visible solution on this one.
15:59I thank Dr. Saeed for joining us with his valuable time on this very important story.
16:04But who can bring an impact?
16:06Let's cut across to that person now.
16:09Delhi's Environment Minister, Majinder Singh Sirsa, now joins us.
16:13And...
16:14Sisa Ji, thank you very much for talking to us.
16:24First of all, I want to know that you have to know that in Delhi, there is a lot of anger, impatience.
16:32People are now asking us what we have done on the streets,
16:37that we are putting such a bad wind in our bodies, in our body.
16:41That we have done on the streets.
16:43foreign
17:13I am going to tell you what I want to tell you about it.
17:18In Delhi, there are all high-rise buildings and anti-smoke guns.
17:23In Delhi, there is a lot of water sprinklers in the water sprinklers.
17:30In Delhi, there are thousands of miles of mrs.
17:35There are thousands of miles of mrs.
17:38We have to take all the buses from Delhi, so that it will be zero pollution.
17:47But Sirsa Ji, those water sprinklers, I have found...
17:52If you give me a message, you will die.
17:54Yes, absolutely. I want to interject on one point, Mr. Sirsa.
18:01You are saying that there are sprinklers out, you are right.
18:04You are saying construction sites have these sprinkler guns, you are right.
18:07But they are not working. We have just done a ground report.
18:10These sort of sprinklers at construction sites are sitting dumb.
18:14The sprinkler sites are only hovering around the AQI meter.
18:18They are not there for general citizens.
18:20It's been documented, it's out in the open for people to see.
18:23I am not able to understand what you said. I am not getting your voice.
18:35But what I am able to understand is that you are saying that water sprinklers are not working on any construction site.
18:40You are saying that it's not working on any construction site.
18:41That where we are doing construction sites.
18:42You are saying that, that's what our organisation has been doing.
18:43So it's not working on the construction site because of the separation of construction site.
18:44So that's what we are doing.
18:45We can't do that.
18:47. . . .
19:17On what basis are you saying that I went and did a reality check?
19:31Yes, I checked a reality check in Delhi when we saw that when we put water sprinklers on a meter,
19:37it is showing up to 150-200 points.
19:41This is the first time in the past 5 years that we have had to question the authenticity of numbers.
19:48We have had to question the authenticity.
19:51You have said that someone is wrong.
19:55If you take your meter, I want to do something.
19:58If your agenda is different, I can't do anything.
20:02This is the Supreme Court.
20:04The CQM releases the data from the CQM.
20:07It is not the same as if you go to your mind.
20:11The Supreme Court is the monitoring.
20:15The CQM releases the data from the CQM.
20:17How do you say that?
20:19If you put water in water, it will be less.
20:21How do you talk about water?
20:23The water is very visible.
20:25We have to understand the current situation.
20:26The current situation where we are, this must be less.
20:29If you do the Agenda, I will not do anything.
20:30If you do the Agenda, things will be no one.
20:31I have to treat the직s like the receipt.
20:32I'll tell you the amount.
20:33But I can tell you the numbers.
20:34The numbers are telling you.
20:35We are telling the numbers.
20:36The numbers are telling you.
20:37You are telling the numbers.
20:38You know you are telling 10 and 15 years old.
20:39You are telling us that the entire interview is going in Delhi.
20:42If you are telling the amount to be done in Delhi,
20:44they are doing it.
20:45If you are telling us for it,
20:47the numbers are missing.
20:48But if you have to be different than you,
20:50the numbers are changing.
20:51I can give you an authentic agenda.
20:53Sir, Sir, asking a question does not mean,
20:56asking a question...
20:58Sir, Sir, I love you.
21:01I'm just listening to you.
21:03I just want to tell you.
21:07Asking a question is not agenda.
21:09That is my dharma as a journalist.
21:11To ask you a question.
21:12I am just asking you a question.
21:14I am asking you a question.
21:16I want to understand
21:18what are these numbers that we've had for the past one week or so?
21:21There should have been GRAB-3 measures.
21:23Why have those GRAB-3 measures not been implemented?
21:31I think you have all wrong information with you.
21:34You need to update yourself, please.
21:36For my humble request to you.
21:38It is not me alone to decide GRAB-3.
21:40GRAB-3 is only implemented after some kind of AQ level.
21:43When it is 400, it will go down.
21:45Do you call the PM?
21:48You don't have to do any other way.
21:49We have to deal with CQM.
21:50For many reasons,
21:51you have to deal with the same for CPCB.
21:52You don't make a decision.
21:53You have to deal with norm fix.
21:54And these are all norms fixed.
21:56You have to do with norm fix.
21:57The court court can keep us all.
21:58And all of your hands with all those who are doing
22:10in a way,
22:11You should say that you have a good idea.
22:13You should say that the weather is a good weather.
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22:59Lyman.
23:04We want AQI 50. We don't want 50 points less. We want AQI 50. What is the plan to make it happen?
23:16We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
23:46We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
24:16We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
24:23We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
24:30We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
24:37We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
24:44We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
24:51We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50. We want AQI 50.
24:58which was the standard procedure for the last 10 years.
25:01I sent you a copy of the last 10 years ago.
25:03They had the procedure for the last 10 years.
25:05They did it. It was wrong.
25:07They did it. They did it. They did it.
25:09They didn't do it.
25:10And Arvind Kedriwal said,
25:11he had a few 20-20 air purifiers.
25:15And you tell me,
25:16you didn't have a water from the past years.
25:18In the past, you didn't have a car.
25:20We had a car.
25:22We had a car.
25:24We had a house.
25:25We had a emergency.
25:27We have forgotten these things.
25:29I want you to remember this thing.
25:31Remember to remember this thing.
25:32Remember to remember the last year.
25:34Remember to remember how the Diwali came out last year.
25:37Remember to remember that their cars were 10 and 15 years ago.
25:41And they were going to be sent in the cranes.
25:43I want to thank you for coming and taking all the questions.
25:52And I really hope that Silsa Ji,
25:56that you will do something for their health.
26:05So, good luck.
26:11I will be able to come to you on the TV channel.
26:14You have a good idea.
26:16That is our idea.
26:18We will be able to do better things in Delhi.
26:21And we will try to do better things in the future.
26:24Thank you, Silsa Ji.
26:30Thank you for coming to you.
26:33If you have any questions for me,
26:35come with me.
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26:48What did he does?
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