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Antiques Roadshow - Season 48 Episode 16 -
Lister Park and Cartwright Hall 3
Lister Park and Cartwright Hall 3
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00:00Bradford, and our venue is Lister Park and the art gallery Cartwright Hall.
00:07Grand buildings like Cartwright Hall were built on the wealth of the textile industries in the 19th and 20th centuries,
00:14weaving materials like wool and silk, but also, later on, fabrics like this.
00:22Resilitex, it's called, and it had a crucial role in the Second World War.
00:26It was used to make decoy equipment, such as these inflatable tanks, in order to fool the enemy.
00:36And our experts will be hoping there are no fakes among the treasures on offer today.
00:41Exciting, isn't it? Every girl loves a tiara.
00:44One of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.
00:47Wow.
00:49I don't think we'll be getting rid of them, though.
00:54Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow.
00:56When I woke up this morning, I did not think I'd be greeted by a young man.
01:26By these two beautiful ventriloquist dummies.
01:29Aren't they fantastic? Tell me everything.
01:32OK, so, Dad was a musical ventriloquist, born in 1916.
01:38He made his first puppet when he was eight years old.
01:40And over the years, he's worked with so many famous names.
01:44Morecambe Wise, Norm Wisdom, Tommy Cooper, Ken Dodd.
01:48Wow. OK, so was your dad just the creator, or was he also a showman himself?
01:52He was a showman. He operated the puppets, but he made them at home, usually on our dining room table, in front of Mum, driving her crazy.
02:01And he'd form them in clay.
02:03He'd then put paper mache on them and bake them in the oven.
02:06In your oven that you had your dinner out of.
02:08Absolutely.
02:09Amazing. So did you have an old shed in the back garden that just had bits of pieces of coat hangers?
02:14Yeah, meccano sets, coat hanger wire, knicker elastic.
02:17I think that was my mum's.
02:18And one day I came home from school with a friend and there's this beautiful smell of baking and I said to my friend,
02:26let's have a look in the oven and see what mum's doing.
02:28And we opened the oven and there was a head in there.
02:30Amazing.
02:32Absolutely amazing.
02:33The mechanics inside of these, and you think of modern day robots, humanoid robots that are being created now.
02:39She is automated and she would walk across the stage, stop, turn, lift a hanky to her eye to wipe a tear away.
02:47And she'd end the act next to the old man with his arm around her to a song of old Dutch.
02:52And this was in the 40s and 50s?
02:54He started just before the Second World War full time.
02:57Into the 50s his first TV performance was 1952.
03:01And then he got a TV series with Roy Kinnear.
03:04It was huge at that time in the mid-20th century.
03:06Ventriloquist dummies were huge, weren't they?
03:08Absolutely.
03:08Are these your favourites out of the collection?
03:10They are because, you know, they sung male Dutchess very romantic song about an old couple who'd been together for 40 years.
03:16And it don't seem a day too long.
03:18So I can still hear that to this day and Dad's no longer with us, I'm afraid.
03:22So that song, when I see these two, is always on my mind.
03:25Amazing.
03:26And what do you think of them, though?
03:27Well, it's certainly a different edge to the family.
03:31Yeah, you can say that.
03:32Well, I suppose I will have to put a value on them.
03:35It's a very difficult thing to value, but I think they were to come on the open market, I would expect.
03:40£3,000 to £5,000, I would say.
03:43Yep.
03:43Dad would be so, so proud to be here today to see this from a pull-and-high.
03:49Amazing.
03:50Oh, you're making me emotional.
03:51That's lovely.
03:51Well, wonderful day here in Bradford, in the park.
04:04I used to come and play here when I was a child and go in the museum, so it's really lovely to be here.
04:09Lovely.
04:09And to be looking at a beautiful diamond necklace in a box that says Fattorini's, how have you come to get this?
04:17My paternal grandmother was given it on the occasion of her 21st birthday.
04:22Mm-hm.
04:22I know nothing about it, but I think that it was because she was the eldest of nine.
04:28Oh, my goodness.
04:28And she did a lot to help with her younger siblings.
04:32Yes, well-deserved by the sounds of things.
04:35Absolutely.
04:35It really is, isn't it?
04:36And who are the people in the photographs?
04:38Um, well, I've got this one here.
04:40This is my grandmother.
04:42Uh-huh.
04:42She had no daughters, so it was given to my mother, who wore it on her wedding day.
04:48OK.
04:49And I wore it on my wedding day.
04:50Oh, how lovely.
04:51And my daughter wore it on her wedding day.
04:52Oh, how fabulous.
04:53So has it been worn outside of weddings, or is it just kept for wedding days?
04:57Oh, yes.
04:57I've bought the night away in it.
04:59Oh, brilliant!
05:02That's fabulous, and that's the way it should be, jewellery's to be worn.
05:05Um, so Fattorini's, they were founded by Antonio Fattorini, who came over from Italy and settled
05:11in Leeds.
05:13They were fabulous jewellers and decided to open up in Harrogate, which isn't that far
05:17away.
05:18It was the fashionable town at the time.
05:20That was in the 1830s.
05:21In the 1850s, they decided to open a shop in Kirkgate in Bradford, which, of course, is
05:27how we get the connection with the box.
05:29Date-wise, we're looking at round about 1900.
05:33It's got these lovely scrolls and pretty little diamonds, which are sparkling away all the
05:41way around.
05:42And they're picking up on the delicate Edwardian style of jewellery, which is sometimes referred
05:47to as the garland style of jewellery.
05:50And a little bit of Art Nouveau movement to it as well, which is really absolutely wonderful.
05:56There are clips either side.
05:58There are.
05:59And I didn't know if that was so that you could make it into a tiara.
06:03Well, you're absolutely spot on, which is exciting, isn't it?
06:06Every girl loves a tiara.
06:09So, yes, we've got these little clips here just at the sides, and it would have just sat
06:14nice and elegantly on the top of the head, sparkled away as the sunshine shone through.
06:19So, it really is lovely.
06:21And, of course, this was the period for tiaras with lace-fronted dresses in the early part
06:26of the 1900s, the elegance of the Edwardian period.
06:29Have you got the fitting for the tiara anywhere?
06:33No.
06:33The tiara fitting?
06:34No.
06:35Sadly, no.
06:36As a necklace at auction, this period is doing very well at the moment.
06:41And an auction estimate would be between £2,000 and £3,000.
06:45If we had had the tiara fitting, I probably would have been straight in there at £5,000
06:52to £7,000.
06:53Wow.
06:53Yeah, it makes such a difference to have that.
06:57I knew absolutely nothing about it.
06:59It's a shame I don't have the tiara fitting, but I love it anyway, and I shall continue to
07:05enjoy wearing it.
07:06So, I was immediately drawn to this watercolour of boats, because the artist has used such
07:28confident brushwork to bring out the masts of the ships, or the boats, the little sailing
07:33boats in the background.
07:34Now, he's used watercolour on paper, and I can see that it's signed George Horton, who
07:39has spent a lot of his life in South Shields.
07:41Now, how did this come to be yours?
07:43Well, George Horton is a great, great uncle of mine, whom I never knew, and I discovered
07:49him through doing family history quite a while ago, and he turns out to be an artist.
07:55So, we looked him up and tried to find something.
07:58I bought it, and I didn't know where it was painted.
08:01I didn't know much about him.
08:02But a cousin of mine, who lives in Canada, came to see me, and he immediately recognised
08:07it as a Dutch boat, as though it's painted in Holland.
08:10I think, actually, George Horton's quite inspiring, because his family didn't really support him
08:15as an artist. And as the story goes, he taught himself how to paint by going to his local library
08:22and copying reproductions of the old masters. And it was only on his honeymoon, which was to Holland,
08:29that he became completely inspired by the tradition of Dutch landscape painting, and therefore became
08:35inspired to paint boats such as these. From a distance, this looks like quite a rainy day.
08:41He's used a palette of browns and greys to describe the background.
08:45The water is a bit sludgy. It's not sunny. There's no beautiful reflection.
08:50But then, to make it more dynamic, he's bringing out the colour. And I think that could be some
08:59sails that are wrapped up. It could be cargo. But most importantly, it really draws you in.
09:03I love it. And it's also quite bold for the time period that he was painting in. I mean,
09:08he was painting in the early 20th century.
09:09Yes.
09:10At a time where this kind of impressionistic style had only really quite recently come to Britain.
09:16Yes, yes.
09:17What do you like about it?
09:18Oh, well, I love it, first of all, because I know he was a relative of mine, which is brilliant.
09:22And like you say, that colour just pulls you into the centre of it, doesn't it? And it just lightens everything.
09:28And is the rest of your family artistic?
09:30No, not at all. Certainly not me.
09:34So the Horton jeans?
09:35Yes.
09:36No, they haven't come through to me, sorry. No, no.
09:39Well, it's the sort of thing that were it to come to auction today, I would probably put an estimate in the region of £400 to £600.
09:46Right, yes. That's... The money pad isn't important. It's just that I've got a painting that belonged to a relative of mine, which is absolutely wonderful.
09:54Let's find the next Horton in the family.
09:56It won't be me.
09:57Who might be a good artist.
09:58Sorry, it won't be me.
10:00Well, I think everybody knows who these four are. It's a great, great photograph of them and with all these lovely signatures below.
10:15How did you come by it?
10:16So this came to me via my dad, via his brother, who got it via George Harrison's dad.
10:22Oh, really?
10:23In a pub drinking in Skipton, but my dad's brother didn't like the Beatles, like Cliff Richard.
10:35But my dad's brother did say, well, look, my brother absolutely adores the Beatles, so...
10:39And then a few years ago, my dad said, you can have it now because you're the biggest Beatles fan.
10:44And when the children were younger, they always used to ask, who is it in the picture?
10:48So we'd say, it's something called John Paul George and Ringo in the picture.
10:51I think you wish they were.
10:53It'd be good.
10:54Yeah.
10:55It'd be good.
10:56Fantastic.
10:57So, well, I think it's a great photograph and the story gives it provenance as well.
11:02But you have to remember that there are a lot of these photographs with facsimile, you know, signatures, and they're out there everywhere, you know?
11:11But this particular one is a genuine one.
11:15These are genuine signatures.
11:17Wow.
11:18That means that this, if it went into auction, and I'm going to be very conservative, this is worth between £3,000 and £5,000.
11:27Wow.
11:28Wow.
11:29Wow.
11:30That's amazing.
11:31This is a very interesting cow horn.
11:52What do you think it was for?
11:54Well, blowing.
11:56Making a tune, of course.
11:57No, it's for holding gunpowder.
11:59Gunpowder.
12:00Gunpowder.
12:01It's a powder horn.
12:02We didn't know that, did we?
12:03No.
12:04Where did you get it?
12:05Well, it was my grandfather's.
12:07And then when he passed away, it went down to my father.
12:10And now he passed away a few years ago.
12:13I'm sorry.
12:14So it's now mine.
12:15So you've known it all your childhood?
12:17I remember it at my grandparents' house.
12:20You do?
12:21Yes.
12:22When I first saw it, I thought it was North American.
12:24Yes.
12:25Settlers.
12:26We wondered about it.
12:27Is that what you think it is?
12:28Yeah.
12:29And then I got confused with the design here.
12:31This is very geometric and not American at all.
12:34Yeah.
12:35And it reminds me of the work of a designer called Bugatti.
12:38Which it isn't.
12:39But it almost makes me wonder where he got his ideas.
12:42I mean, he might have seen something like this.
12:44Yeah.
12:45And then I looked at this more closely.
12:46This is cow horn.
12:48And these are cows, or they're steer.
12:50Yeah.
12:51And then there's what look like haystacks on it.
12:53Well, I look at it closely.
12:55And the haystacks aren't haystacks round here.
12:59No.
13:00So?
13:01They're Zulu dwellings.
13:03Oh.
13:04Of course.
13:05Of course.
13:06We did.
13:07Yes.
13:08So this is South African design.
13:10Yes.
13:11I lived in Cape Town for 20 years and came back five years ago.
13:14So how bizarre that we've got something in the family that.
13:17Exactly.
13:18And that's what it is.
13:19And 19th century.
13:21It's the end of the 19th century, I think.
13:24The Zulu were herders by nature.
13:27Cows are their wealth.
13:29But these are Westerners herding the cattle.
13:33Yeah.
13:34Not the indigenous people.
13:36But it really is a real pictorial dream.
13:40Mum really loved it.
13:42And she had a relative who was quite involved with antiques.
13:47And he often said, oh, if you don't want it, I'd like it.
13:50I bet he would.
13:51I would too.
13:52But she wouldn't part with it, obviously.
13:54People collect them.
13:55And I think they would pay something like between 800 and 1200 pounds for this.
14:03Wow.
14:04That's what I think.
14:06It's charming.
14:12We are beginning to lose the soldiers and sailors and airmen and nurses who were actually there during the Second World War.
14:22So every time I come across a person who was there at the time, the story always fascinates me.
14:29So who was this man?
14:31This is Sergeant Eric Light.
14:33He's my granddad and my Auntie Andrea's father.
14:36And he, in 1940, was called up and joined the East Yorkshire Regiment and served for six years away from Bradford in North Africa and Italy as a fireman.
14:47He returned on two home leaves, the first one to see my dad being born, and the second where he wrote in his diary that he was visiting Cartwright Hall and Lister Park.
14:59Where we are?
15:00Where we are today, yeah.
15:01Can you read that for us?
15:02I can, yeah.
15:03So this is Sunday 11th November 1945.
15:06He writes, spent the afternoon at Cartwright Hall and Lister Park, and the next day he left from Bradford train station on the journey back to Naples.
15:15You know, by his medals, I can tell that what you're saying is what he did.
15:19We have a 1939 45 defence medal.
15:22He has an Africa star with the first army bar, which means that he was part of the invasion of Africa from the Western side going towards Tunisia.
15:33Then he moves to Italy, as you say.
15:36The 1939 45 star and the 1939 45 war medal.
15:42Did he talk about this stuff, do you know?
15:45He loved Italy, he loved the language, he learnt Italian, so he spoke about his time in Italy.
15:51He didn't particularly talk about the events or the fires that he dealt with, but he was a wordsmith.
15:56He enjoyed telling stories.
15:58He's a good artist as well, isn't he?
16:00He was an artist from the beginning and he documented quite a lot of his journeys, but this is where he was billeted for two years.
16:08This is Jeanne d'Arc in North Africa, a tent with his uniform there and his bed.
16:14We're still all, all the family have artwork around the house that is done.
16:19It is these archives, which are so important, to tell the story of just ordinary people, just like me and you.
16:27Yeah.
16:28But they stood up. When the time came, they went and did it.
16:32Yeah.
16:33It's been a real honour to meet him today.
16:34Yeah.
16:35I know you've got lots more stuff and for your whole collection, you're looking at somewhere in around about £500.
16:40OK.
16:41Thank you so much for bringing it along.
16:42It's a privilege for us to talk about him. Thank you.
16:44In 2025, Bradford is celebrating its status as city of culture with exhibitions and events across the city.
17:01But over a century ago, Lister Park was at the centre of another cultural event, the Bradford Great Exhibition.
17:09At the time, the land was owned by Samuel Lister, whose family made their fortune from weaving wool and silk,
17:18owning some of the biggest mills of the day.
17:20Now, he was a wealthy industrialist and he wanted to give something back.
17:23So in 1898, he agreed to fund the building of a new museum, an art gallery set in huge green parkland for the public to enjoy.
17:32And a few years later, in 1904, Cartwright Hall, with its galleries filled with artwork from around the world, opened its doors to the people of Bradford.
17:47As part of the opening, a great exhibition was held as well, spread all across Lister Park.
17:59Its aim was to celebrate Cartwright Hall, but also to showcase Bradford's trade and industry.
18:04It had all sorts of different attractions aimed at drawing in visitors from all over the world.
18:09Musicians and exhibitors came from all over the country.
18:15There were sports events, a fairground, even a huge water shoot, as well as mock naval battles on the lake.
18:24The exhibition here in Bradford was a huge success.
18:28Between May and October 1904, nearly two and a half million people came, putting Cartwright Hall well and truly on the map.
18:36Well, this bird has come and landed on our table.
18:51Tell us, what do you think it is?
18:54Honestly, I've got no idea and how it stood off my life farther.
18:58My dad was a bit of a collector slash holder, probably more than a holder.
19:03He used to do cardboard sales a lot and that sort of thing.
19:06Did you have a name for it at home?
19:08I've called it Lydia.
19:10Lydia?
19:11Yeah, because it's got a lid on it, so it's just Lydia lid.
19:14It's just, it clicked that way.
19:16Lydia bird.
19:17Yeah.
19:18Wonderful.
19:19Well, it's an incense burner.
19:22Hence, we have the lid on the top and also the wings you'll see are pierced and engraved.
19:27So that's to allow the fragrance to waft out.
19:30Now, it comes from a north-eastern area of modern-day Iran, so Persia, called Kurasan.
19:37And it was a metal-working area specialising in intricate work, just like this.
19:42So this decoration on the bird, it's all hand engraved, beautifully worked.
19:48And birds occupy quite a pre-eminent position in Islamic decoration.
19:53It symbolises the freedom of the spirit, and they're also looked on as good luck or good fortune pieces.
19:59So...
20:00Right.
20:01Hopefully that might be true today.
20:02Yeah.
20:03Yeah.
20:04This is copying a style from much earlier.
20:06There are similar birds to your birds in the Metropolitan Museum in New York, in the Louvre in Paris.
20:13Wow.
20:14But they are much earlier ones.
20:16They are from the 12th, 13th century.
20:18Yeah.
20:19Your one, I think, dates from late 19th stroke early 20th century.
20:23So it's more a kind of touristy piece.
20:25Yeah.
20:26So what's it worth?
20:27We don't know what was paid for it.
20:28No idea.
20:29It's hopefully brought you some good fortune.
20:31Yeah.
20:32And if this turned up on the market today, you'd be looking at between £600 and £1,000.
20:38Wow.
20:40Really?
20:41You're joking?
20:42No, I'm not joking.
20:47A pleasable dog.
20:48To be honest, I wasn't expecting it to be worth anything.
20:51I just thought, you know, it's a big metal bird, and you know, it's quite pretty, you know.
20:55It won't be going anywhere.
20:56It's going to stay with me and the family for a bit.
20:58But yeah, I don't think I'm certainly not ready to part with it anyway, so.
21:10So I'm looking at a small doll under this dome.
21:14But what interests me is this tray of wonderful objects that she's holding and showing to the viewer.
21:22Did you buy her?
21:23No, she was left to be by my great aunt.
21:26It was made by her grandmother.
21:29That puts us back into the 19th century.
21:32The 1890s, I think.
21:33I would put her.
21:34So she's been a family companion, really?
21:35Yes.
21:36Yes, I've known her all my life.
21:38And presumably, you have too?
21:40Yes.
21:41Yes, she's always been outside my bedroom.
21:43And if my parents went out, I would sneakily lift off the dome and touch.
21:48Sorry.
21:49Touch.
21:50Touch.
21:51The scissors were my favourite.
21:52So let's talk about peddler dolls generally.
21:56I mean, in the 18th and 19th centuries, shops were a long way away.
22:01And you would have travelling salesmen, often ladies, who had a big array of those things that made a lady's life at home just a bit more enjoyable.
22:13Yeah.
22:14And so when you look into this tray, you've got pins and needles and buttons.
22:19There's a tennis racket.
22:21There are skittles.
22:22There's a little doll.
22:23There are scissors.
22:24Your favourite, you said.
22:26You may have borrowed them, but you put them back again.
22:28Oh, yes.
22:30The older peddler dolls, often their heads were made from apples, dried apples.
22:37Oh, yes.
22:38And so you get this very kind of wizened-looking face.
22:42But she's got a wax head, it looks like, and she looks as if she's got human hair on there, not mohair.
22:49The doll market really has had massive peaks and then a bit of a slide.
22:55So I'm happy to put a valuation on it of between £1,000 and £1,200.
23:00Yeah.
23:01Which I think is right for now.
23:02Yeah.
23:03But who knows?
23:04In the fullness of time, we could see another peak developing.
23:07Yeah.
23:08But fabulous object.
23:09Great to hear that it's a family thing.
23:11Good.
23:12And thank you for bringing it in.
23:13Little girl to my daughter and granddaughter.
23:14Lucky you.
23:15Maybe great-granddaughter one day.
23:18No pressure.
23:26Our ceramics expert, Stephen Moore, has discovered an item linked to the Black Dyke Band,
23:32Yorkshire's celebrated Brass Ensemble, established in 1855.
23:37With an impressive 170-year legacy, the band is playing a leading role in Bradford's 2025 City of Culture celebrations.
23:46And it all started in the hills around the city.
23:50If we were to head out of Bradford towards Halifax, up the hill, we would end up at Queensbury, wouldn't we?
23:59Yes.
24:00And what would we find there?
24:01Queensbury and the Black Dyke Mills.
24:03And you worked at the Black Dyke Mills?
24:05I did.
24:06From 1958 to 1993.
24:08What did they make at the mill?
24:10Mohair cloth for the Japanese businessman.
24:13OK.
24:14£4,000 of suit.
24:15Quite high-end stuff.
24:16Oh, yeah.
24:17And were you a member of the famous band?
24:19I was, from 58 to 73.
24:21Hence the skeleton of Black Dyke Mills memorabilia.
24:23So tell me how it came to your possession.
24:26The gentleman, Phineas Bower there, was the original owner of the jug.
24:30Right.
24:31He then passed it on to his son, Fred, who then passed it on to his daughter, Gladys Bower.
24:36Right.
24:37But she had no family, and I was an apprentice at the mill at the time.
24:40And the lady there, she asked, would somebody like the jug and the medal?
24:45Right.
24:46And I said, yes, please.
24:47I mean, this joke records that between 1856 and 1882, the band won £2,011, nine shillings
24:57and nothing.
24:58Yeah.
24:59That's a lot of money then, isn't it?
25:00Yes.
25:01And then this is the same.
25:02This is a record history of the band.
25:05Yes.
25:06And the band won thousands.
25:07I mean, all these on here.
25:08Oh, yeah.
25:09There's one that got seven guineas for being disqualified.
25:11Yeah.
25:12That was a good gig, wasn't it?
25:14But I mean, we have to put that in the context of the period.
25:17I mean, this jug dates to the 1880s.
25:21That was a huge amount of money.
25:23Yeah.
25:24What happened to the band prize money?
25:25It was divided amongst the band members.
25:27You see, it was worthwhile being in the band.
25:29It was because I earned £3, two and six a week.
25:32And we did two concerts on Saturday and Sunday.
25:35And the week after, I got £3 in me.
25:38And so I had two weeks wages for about 30 weeks each year.
25:43Well, there we are.
25:44Well, I think this little collection, a little booklet on the history of the band and the jug.
25:49This is nine carat gold.
25:50Let's not deny that.
25:51We're looking at between £8 and £1,200.
25:56You didn't think it was that much.
25:58The medal all earns £500.
25:59Wow.
26:00Keep it safe.
26:09The wonderful Liberty table.
26:12Turn of the century.
26:13And it's just superb.
26:16And what's beautiful about this is all the hand-carved detail on there is just wonderful.
26:20Super stylish and super usable as well.
26:23Was this table in the family?
26:25It was my grandma's.
26:26And I've got no idea where it came from.
26:29I can't imagine that she could afford to go to Liberty's and buy it, to be quite honest.
26:33But she used to go to a lot of auctions.
26:35I always loved it as a little child and growing up everything.
26:38And then when we lost her, that was the one thing that I wanted from her house.
26:43It's a good choice.
26:44It's a lovely table.
26:45Very in vogue.
26:46Easily £300 to £500.
26:48Oh, this.
26:49It really is.
26:50It's a lovely table.
26:52Here we have a little, I think I know what that is.
27:00A very beautiful little singing bird music box.
27:05I can see that the lid needs a little bit of tweaking because it doesn't quite pop back down.
27:14But that's something that can be remedied.
27:16Tell me what you know about it.
27:17I know the manufacturer is Swiss, I think, because I looked them up on the bottom.
27:21It says, Sainte Croix, made in Switzerland.
27:24Now, they are a very old traditional music box maker.
27:28This one was probably made in the 1960s.
27:31Oh, OK.
27:32It's made in exactly the same tradition as those early antique boxes.
27:36Right.
27:37But it's faux tortoiseshell finish on it.
27:39It's not real tortoiseshell.
27:41It's a nice thing.
27:42Do you really like this?
27:43Yeah, I really like it.
27:44Watching it dance and, like, sing.
27:47Yeah.
27:48It's quite mesmerising, isn't it?
27:49Yeah.
27:50Yeah.
27:51Where did you buy it?
27:52My antique steelo.
27:53Right, OK.
27:54Because it was kind of, we thought it was a bit interesting.
27:55Do you mind me asking what you paid for it?
27:56I can't remember.
27:57What did you pay for it?
27:58I think it was £1,500.
27:59£1,500?
28:00I think that was kind of about the money, to be honest with you.
28:03Yeah.
28:14A nice ladies gold fob watch.
28:22Who did it belong to?
28:24It belonged to my grandmother, Isabella.
28:26OK.
28:27And do you ever recall her wearing it?
28:29Well, I was only four at the time when she died, so no, I'm afraid not.
28:34OK, well, let's have a look.
28:38It's one of these English watches that you just have a little nib there in the six o'clock position.
28:43You push that in and then you withdraw the movement, OK?
28:47Uh-huh.
28:48And there it is.
28:49It's signed Dent.
28:50Yeah.
28:51Watchmaker to the Queen.
28:52Now, of course, that was Queen Victoria.
28:54Yes.
28:55A good maker.
28:57But you've got a full set of London hallmarks for 1871.
29:03OK.
29:04I'm delighted to see this long chain.
29:09And, of course, it would have been worn on a long chain around her neck, popped into a pocket somewhere.
29:15Hallmark 9 carat.
29:18So many of these were cut into small places to make bracelets or necklaces.
29:24So to see an original long chain is really rather nice.
29:27It's very unusual.
29:28Even better have been 18 carat gold, of course, but it's still very nice.
29:32Has anybody wear it anymore or not?
29:34No, sadly not.
29:36It's been in a draw for years.
29:38So, money.
29:40Yes.
29:41The watch, 18 carat gold by Dent, in pretty good condition.
29:47£800, £900 for the watch.
29:50And the chain, because it's original and because it's long and it hasn't been cut down at all, a similar price on the chain as well.
29:57Goodness me.
29:58Goodness me.
29:59Don't leave it in the drawer.
30:00Get somebody to wear it.
30:01Don't you think?
30:02I will.
30:03I will.
30:04My daughter, perhaps.
30:05She'll probably sell it.
30:06She'll never know.
30:07She'd better not.
30:08This is a rather beautiful handworked textile, which is actually an altar frontal.
30:35Can you tell me about it?
30:37So, this was designed by Louisa Pestle, who was a Bradfordian woman, born in 1870 and a bit of a pioneer.
30:43She trained at the National Art Training School in London under Lewis Forman Day.
30:47Obviously, a very well-known arts and crafts designer.
30:50That's right.
30:51And she then went to Greece to be a designer at the Royal Hellenic School of Needlework and Lace.
30:56She travelled all over Egypt, India.
30:59She made notes of all the textile designs, the motifs, the patterns.
31:03So, she was one of those group of sort of pioneering Victorian ladies.
31:07That really was something.
31:08There would have been very few women that were in a position to be able to have done that.
31:12There's a great photo of her on the Khyber Pass on the back of a camel in full Edwardian gear with a hat and everything.
31:19And she just looks amazing.
31:20I mean, we can only imagine what that would be like.
31:22And it's corseted as well.
31:24Yeah.
31:25When she came back to Bradford and the First World War was on, she did a lot of work with the Abraham Peel Hospital, which was a hospital for shell-shocked soldiers.
31:33She worked with them as a form of occupational therapy, really, in doing embroidery work and other things.
31:40And they worked on this, the shell-shocked soldiers, to her design.
31:44So, this idea of, you know, occupational therapy, the hand and the mind being occupied, that it was really, really good for them.
31:50The repetitive nature of it is very kind of soothing, really, for people suffering from, you know, post-traumatic stress.
31:57It's very interesting that she went to the Royal Hellenistic School of Needlework in Greece, because I think we can see that influence here definitely in the stitch work.
32:06And because we've got this sort of meandering design and then these sort of, these little flower heads.
32:11And this is all worked in cross-stitch.
32:13If you look at the stitches, they don't really appear to have been done by different people.
32:18So, perhaps she was a very exacting sort of mistress.
32:21I imagine she was, because she was an expert in her field.
32:24It's an absolute pleasure to see it.
32:26We need to mention price.
32:28Generally speaking, you can buy auto frontals from this sort of period, when they do come up at auction.
32:33It would probably only be something like £300 to £400.
32:36But, obviously, its home is Bradford, and it's still in Bradford, and that's where it's going to remain.
32:40I mean, to us it's priceless. So, thank you very much.
32:43Exactly. Thank you.
32:48You've brought me here a brooch and a ring.
32:57I'm going to start with the brooch first.
33:00And it's lovely to see the three leaf clover design here.
33:04How did you find this?
33:05It belonged to my grandmother.
33:07My father gave it to me about 15 years ago.
33:10Because I kept wearing it, he said rather than storing it all the time, he gave it to me.
33:15So, you were borrowing it, you were allowed to wear it on...
33:17Yeah, high days and holidays.
33:18High days and holidays.
33:20That's quite a substantial jewel.
33:22It is.
33:23My granny was very, very proud of it, and was also worried about losing it, so she carried it in her handbag every single day of her life.
33:31Really?
33:32Yes.
33:33Everything?
33:34On the bus?
33:35No.
33:36Everywhere.
33:37Everywhere.
33:39Oh my goodness.
33:40Yeah.
33:41Well, this is dated about 1880.
33:44Right.
33:45And it is silver and gold.
33:47But there's no maker's mark, and that's quite usual for jewels of this period.
33:54But it looks English to me.
33:56All set with cushion-shaped diamonds and rose-cut diamonds.
34:01And then you also have this ring.
34:04And tell me the story about this ring.
34:06The family legend is that my great-grandfather accepted it in settlement of a gambling debt in Monte Carlo.
34:14In Monte Carlo?
34:15Yes.
34:16Oh my gosh.
34:17I wonder how much the debt was.
34:19It would be interesting, wouldn't it?
34:21It would.
34:22It would be lovely to know.
34:23But unfortunately, he spent the family fortune.
34:27Oh, did he?
34:28And by the time my grandfather came back from the First World War, my great-grandfather passed away, and there was no money left, apart from the ring.
34:37Well, it's 18-carat gold, and these are cushion-shaped diamonds.
34:42Again, the diamonds were cut in about 1880.
34:44Right.
34:45And I think they're set in a slightly late amount.
34:49So, I mean, at auction, you'd be looking at about £3,000.
34:54And for this one here, you'd be looking at the region of about £1,500 to £2,000.
35:00Right.
35:02So, what will happen to it now?
35:03I'll continue to wear them and enjoy them.
35:06Oh, that's wonderful.
35:07At a previous roadshow in Yorkshire in 2021, we revealed the Bellevue Studio Archive, a collection of 17,000 portraits taken by photographer Tony Walker between the 1950s and the 1970s.
35:32Housed in Bradford, the archive is a fascinating record of the migrant communities who made the city their home after the Second World War.
35:44And now available online, it's become a valuable resource for families to search for long-lost images of their relatives.
35:51I'm sitting here with people who found relatives in the Bellevue archive.
35:59Now, Cynthia, you're here with your mum, Olive, who I hope you don't mind saying you're 103, grand old age.
36:06And you were looking in the archive for pictures of yourself, I think.
36:09That's right.
36:10I thought, you know, I'll have to look in the archive and see if they think of me as a baby.
36:15And then found mum.
36:18And there she is.
36:20What did you think when you saw that?
36:21Oh, it took me back because I remember that jacket she was wearing.
36:25It was an olive green jacket, three quarter-long sleeves.
36:29And it just took me back to being six or seven years old.
36:32Oh.
36:33And what about you, Olive?
36:34Do you remember this picture being taken?
36:36Yes.
36:37Yes.
36:38And you look beautiful in this picture.
36:40Yes.
36:41What did you do when you were here, when you first came over?
36:43The first time I come here, I used to work at a school.
36:47To work at a school?
36:48School, yeah.
36:49They were very nice.
36:50Were they?
36:51People with me, you know.
36:54So I sit to them until I get to come back to Bedford, yeah.
36:59What a wonderful thing to come across it, so unexpectedly.
37:02Yeah.
37:03So you've got this one picture, whereas you, Hamza...
37:06Yep.
37:07So you found all sorts of members of your family?
37:09I found, yep, from my mum's side as well as my dad's side.
37:14Who have we got here?
37:15Who's this one?
37:16That's my father, and that's his two brothers.
37:21That's his brother-in-law, and these are uncles and just general relatives' family.
37:28When you started looking, Hamza, did you have any idea you would find such a treasure trove?
37:33No, I only discovered that picture, first of all, of my uncle, and then the more I went
37:40into it, I discovered two or three more pictures, and then after a week or two, I found another
37:47five pictures, and then before I knew it, I'd had 50 plus pictures of my close relatives.
37:54So, boys, this is your...
37:56Grandad.
37:57Grandad.
37:58Yeah.
37:59I think he looks very handsome, don't you?
38:00Yeah.
38:01Yeah.
38:02Absolutely.
38:03So, what did you think when you saw your dad?
38:05Well, I hadn't seen a picture of him like that, yeah, but I was emotional, yeah, seeing
38:12him so young like that.
38:15He came over in 1961.
38:17He was a second-year medical student.
38:19He didn't want to come, but Grandma said, go on, go, see what it's like.
38:24So, he came over.
38:25His mum gave him half a dozen boiled eggs to come over with and a fiver in his pocket.
38:33And did he then pursue a medical career?
38:35No.
38:36No, he didn't.
38:37He worked in textiles then after that.
38:39So many did in this part of the world.
38:41Because the Asian community came over to do the labour jobs.
38:47Well, it's fascinating to meet you and hear your stories and see these pictures.
38:52And if you're watching at home and think, I mean, who knows?
38:54Maybe your family's in the Bellevue archive.
38:56Have a look.
38:57There's clearly thousands of pictures to go through from what Hamza says.
39:00But you never know what you'll find.
39:11So, on this beautiful sunny day at Lister Park, when the gardens are in full bloom and the flowers are all out, you've brought along this beautifully florally painted tea set.
39:20Are you a collector?
39:22No, not at all.
39:23This was my mother's.
39:25She was very poorly as a small child.
39:29She was confined to bed for months.
39:31She had yellow jaundice, I think.
39:33And her father, my grandfather, bought her this to cheer her up.
39:37I can think of nothing that would cheer me up more if I was poorly than getting a cup of tea and my breakfast served to me from a service like this with toast from this little toast rack.
39:47And even this wonderful warming dish so that your breakfast comes to the table warm.
39:52And you just remove this stopper, fill the base of the dish with hot water and it keeps the breakfast toasty and warm.
39:59Yep.
40:00The service is by Clarice Cliff, an iconic designer in Britain in the 1920s and the 30s.
40:07And the shape of this teapot is known as the bonjour shape with this round design and the very distinctive round finial handle, even on the little circular feet.
40:17These pieces are a bit later in Clarice Cliff's design career.
40:21Her heyday was really the late 1920s to the mid 1930s.
40:26I would think these are sort of late 1930s and date.
40:30And you can see the slight change in style where she's used this more sort of floral, feminine decoration rather than the bold, iconic art deco designs with very strong colors.
40:41I'm sure it's something you would never want to sell, but of course it does have a value.
40:46My thoughts are that being a slightly later Clarice Cliff design, slightly removed from the more iconic art deco period,
40:54I think it's worth in the region of £200 to £300 for this group.
40:58Well, thank you very much. That's absolutely lovely. I won't be selling it.
41:01And hopefully it can go on to generations, you know, still to come.
41:11We've got Mae West's name spelt out in her own hair. Where on earth did this come from?
41:23We're not 100% sure of its original provenance.
41:26It was a gift to the family on my dad's side, a wedding gift.
41:31And it's just been sat in my dad's downstairs toilet for about ten years.
41:36I think it's a talking point for parties, that sort of thing.
41:40It is that. I mean, she's one of the legends of film.
41:43I mean, in the 1930s, she was the big box office drawer.
41:49And obviously she's done an official opening.
41:52Yeah.
41:53We have the Rishi Salons for Hair and Beauty Culture were officially opened by Mae West.
41:59I mean, I don't know much about women's hair, I'll be honest, but it almost looks like little sort of extensions.
42:05They're beautifully tied.
42:08But underneath, and I think this is the name of the hairdresser, but we can't make it out.
42:14Most lovely beauty salon, every success, something something, Mae West.
42:21And that almost definitely is her signature.
42:23Brilliant. Yeah.
42:25March the 11th, 1948.
42:28She was ahead of her times.
42:30You know, she said what she thought.
42:32Yeah.
42:33And some of the things were quite risque.
42:35She's famous for the line, is that a pistol in your pocket?
42:39Or are you just pleased to see me?
42:43She said censorship.
42:44I like censorship.
42:46I've made a fortune from it.
42:49We've got to put a value on this unique thing.
42:54I mean, her signature alone is fairly sought after.
42:58I think if it went in an auction, it would do probably £1,000 to £1,500.
43:04Cool.
43:05I think it'll hang around in the family though, you know?
43:07Yeah, it's so strange.
43:09One of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.
43:12Oh, I've been waiting for one of these to come in for a long time.
43:27Good.
43:28OK, so where did you get it from?
43:30To my parents' house for as long as I can remember.
43:34OK.
43:35It's a cinema ticket for a film called There's Is The Glory.
43:37Yeah.
43:38For the premiere.
43:39Yeah.
43:40In 1946, it premiered on the 17th of September 1946.
43:44Yeah.
43:45Which is exactly two years after the first day that they dropped by parachute and glider
43:51into a place called Arnhem.
43:53Yeah.
43:54Now, we would know it as A Bridge Too Far, but the original film was There's Is The Glory.
43:58Yeah.
43:59And these were the original cinema tickets for the premiere.
44:01Yeah.
44:02And they're amazing because it says, this souvenir ticket is made of metal from one of the
44:08crash gliders which carried the British 1st Airborne Division into battle at Arnhem on
44:13September the 17th, 1944.
44:16That has to be the very best cinema ticket in the world.
44:21Do you know what it's worth?
44:22I haven't got a clue.
44:23It's 150 quid.
44:24150 quid's worth.
44:25For a bit of aluminium.
44:26It's a very special piece of aluminium though.
44:30This is a lovely silver and enamel case.
44:42And it looks quite classy, doesn't it?
44:43Yeah.
44:44It looks something quite special.
44:45Tell us about the dog.
44:47When we bought it, you couldn't see all the detail on it.
44:51As in it was really tarnished, you mean?
44:53Yeah.
44:54Yeah.
44:55It was black.
44:56So Mule Spint cleaned it up and then it revealed what were on it.
44:59It's a French bulldog.
45:00She's got pointed ears.
45:01That is gorgeous, isn't it?
45:02Yeah.
45:03It's a little cigarette case.
45:04Oh, right.
45:05So that's what the elasticated band is for.
45:07Yeah.
45:08Now I know it doesn't look like you could fit cigarettes in there, but that's what cigarettes
45:11were like when this was made, which was about 1910.
45:15Now, did you notice also on the side here, that is a sapphire push thumb piece.
45:22Oh, no, I didn't know.
45:23Yeah.
45:24So that is quality.
45:25It's superb detail, the way that's all painted.
45:27That's all painted, it's enamel painted, all hand done.
45:30It's either Austrian or German probably.
45:32Right.
45:33Now you're going to have to tell us what you paid for it.
45:36It was £4.
45:37£5.
45:38You've done very well.
45:39That now is £400 to £600.
45:42Lovely.
45:43Beautiful thing.
45:44Beautiful thing.
45:45I think this is the most wonderful, enigmatic, beautiful photographic image.
46:05Can you tell me a little bit about it, please?
46:07It's a snapshot that was taken by my grandfather in 1931.
46:12He entered a worldwide competition run by Eastman Kodak to find the world's best snapshot using the first introduction of the Velochrome film.
46:22This is my granny here.
46:24They were engaged and went on holiday to Brad Ahead on the Isle of Man.
46:29He entered it in the competition and it won, the final was in Geneva.
46:34And Eastman Kodak is a really famous company that was founded by George Eastman in 1888.
46:40He made photography available to the masses.
46:43These vest pocket, in inverted commas, folding bellows cameras made it affordable and they made it portable.
46:51And your great grandfather was obviously one of those people.
46:55There he is, takes your grandmother out.
46:57Indeed.
46:58Takes this wonderful photograph of her, enters this competition and won it.
47:03He won the amazing amount of £4,400.
47:06It equates to £235,000.
47:09They got married and he bought his first house, their first house with that.
47:13And the family were very, very excited.
47:15Well, it would have been huge excitement all over because he would have been pretty famous in fact
47:19because that would have been obviously published in, you know, the Eastman Kodak magazine thing.
47:24That's right.
47:25Which was a massive worldwide seller of a magazine as well.
47:28Yeah.
47:29On the table here we have this beautiful silver trophy, which of course is representative of photography by the lens.
47:36The lens, that's right.
47:37In the top here.
47:38That is stunningly beautiful.
47:40But I'm going to have to kind of try and put a value on this and it's a bit of an odd one really.
47:45Yeah.
47:46I'm kind of minded to give it a global valuation, but then individually looking at some of the pieces,
47:51it's a kind of different thing in my head, so to speak.
47:54So this beautiful Art Deco trophy is wonderful.
47:58Mm-hmm.
47:59And it's worth £2,000 or £3,000.
48:00Okay, yeah.
48:01Which is pretty amazing.
48:02Yeah.
48:03The camera, to be honest with you, if that were completely disconnected from this story
48:08and were just a Kodak pocket vest camera, it's worth £50 to £100.
48:12Right.
48:13Because they made so many of them.
48:14Yes, yeah.
48:15The image itself, stunning image.
48:17I really, really love this, but in reality it's worth a few hundred pounds.
48:21Mm-hmm.
48:22We've got a couple of medallions that were awarded to him also.
48:26We've got a bronze one here.
48:28But this one, did you see that I nipped off just before we started filming?
48:31You did, I did, yes.
48:32Well, I nipped off to weigh this medal.
48:34Okay.
48:35Because I don't know whether you know, but this is an 18 karat gold medal.
48:38Oh gosh, right.
48:39And it's scrap value alone is £7,000.
48:42That's amazing.
48:44I see why he ran off.
48:46I'm glad you came back.
48:47I did come back with it.
48:49So, I think that what you have here, one of my favourite stories of the day at £12,000 to £18,000.
48:56That's very good, isn't it?
48:57Yeah.
48:58Thank you so much for coming today.
48:59That's a pleasure.
49:02We've always been proud of him.
49:07I think that people could look more at what skills and talents they've got.
49:12There's more there outside if they only would try things because he was just a normal guy working as a draftsman
49:18and he tapped into the talents that he had.
49:33The sun is shining, two beautiful jewels sparkling away.
49:36How did you get them?
49:37Well, these belong to my grandmother who was born in 1900 in Donegal in very rural Ireland.
49:45And I always remembered this watch on my grandmother's wrist as a little child growing up.
49:50I can never remember her with any other type of watch on her wrist.
49:54She went to Trinity College in Dublin to study as a young woman.
49:58At the age of 25, in 1925, she travelled from Ireland to New York.
50:05Gosh.
50:06Where she would have travelled on her own.
50:07She would have sailed as a 25-year-old woman.
50:09Of course.
50:10And to know that she was such a confident lady, it's no wonder that she chose some really pretty pieces of jewellery.
50:17More than likely in New York because the style of both of the pieces is very American.
50:22They have a lovely way of producing what we could call this sort of filigree-pierced metalwork in this bracelet in particular.
50:31There's another mark that denotes that it's not a European piece because it's marked 10K,
50:36which is for 10-carat white gold, which again is something very typical of American jewellery at the time.
50:43In the centre here, you've got a lovely little diamond sparkling away.
50:47And either side, the two green stones are actually synthetic emeralds.
50:51They're not natural emeralds.
50:53I bet she was drawn to the green for Emerald Isle, of course, no doubt.
50:58And it was very popular again to use synthetic stones at this stage
51:02because to cut stones this size and of that shape would have been very expensive.
51:07But all in all, a beautiful, elegant piece of jewellery.
51:11And she sounds as though she was a very elegant lady as well.
51:14Particularly if she wore this watch all the time, that is a level of sophistication, I have to say,
51:19to be wearing a beautiful cocktail watch as we can see here.
51:23She ended up also a pig farmer's wife.
51:25Oh, did she?
51:26I'm guessing she didn't wear those slopping out the pigs.
51:29Now, we have a watch which we would class as a costume watch because it's actually a metal that has been rhodium plated.
51:38So it's not a precious metal strap.
51:40And also the green stones here, these are actually glass.
51:44So that fits in again with this whole idea of costume dress jewellery,
51:49which again was rising in popularity in the 1920s.
51:53I mean, even Chanel would mix up her costume jewellery and her precious gem jewellery
51:57and try and trick her friends and say, which do you think is real and which is fake?
52:02And they often got it wrong.
52:03But that was how good the quality was on both of them.
52:07You know, we're looking at a reasonable value, maybe 50, 60 pounds.
52:12And then with the bracelet, because it is that 10 carat gold as opposed to 14, 15 or 18,
52:18and that keeps the value down.
52:20At auction, I'd expect that to fetch between 500 and 700 pounds.
52:24So collectively in the region of 600 pounds for the two pieces.
52:28But as we have seen, it is the story that counts in the elegance of your grandmother.
52:34That's right. Thank you very much indeed.
52:35My pleasure. Thank you.
52:42Two Indian albums dated around the start of the 1800s.
52:50So 1810 to 1820 are many of them.
52:53How did these come into your possession?
52:55My mother got them in a secondhand market in Dublin.
52:59OK. And do you remember how much she paid for them?
53:02Possibly maybe five pounds for the pair.
53:06OK. So we have two albums.
53:09And the school of painting is called Company School, meaning East India Company.
53:15Started in 1600 and went on well into the late 1800s.
53:21Because, let's face it, they were there to extract money and resources from India.
53:27There are some small mercies and human stories that come out of it.
53:33So you have this beautiful new school of painting, which is a mix of Indian and European.
53:39And you see some beautiful examples in these albums.
53:43This one. It shows Indian life. You see the tradesmen working away in the background.
53:51Maybe a subject matter that was avoided in traditional Indian miniature painting or Mughal miniature painting.
53:58You see some real Indian life, which is what the Europeans were interested in.
54:02So this book was made for the Europeans?
54:06Exactly. Exactly.
54:08That's so interesting.
54:09These are the Polaroids of early India.
54:12And the centre of this picture is the abhorrent act of Sati.
54:18And Sati is when the husband dies, the woman put herself on the funeral pyre and commits suicide.
54:28It was banned by the Mughal emperors and later made illegal by the British in the mid-1800s.
54:35So this painting here, it's great that we've got such an early date, 1780.
54:42And this album is just stuffed with wonderful examples of this mix of Indian and European work.
54:53A tipoy. So a local soldier.
54:56Isn't that beautiful?
54:59Extraordinary.
55:00It's very European. It's like a biblical tale.
55:03It's really startling.
55:05Absolutely.
55:06Well, they are very collectible.
55:08Each piece, a slight variance in quality.
55:12The sepoy, for example, on its own, £1,000.
55:17Oh.
55:18Wow.
55:19Wait, each page?
55:21Each page.
55:22That's just the sepoy.
55:23That's extraordinary.
55:24Oh, my God.
55:25That's your starting point.
55:27The Satie Burning, £6,000 to £8,000.
55:30For the book or each?
55:32For that page.
55:34For that page.
55:35That's the Satie Burning.
55:36Oh, my God.
55:37£6,000 to £8,000.
55:38So to try and put an overall figure on both albums, minimum £22,000.
55:47Wow.
55:48That's amazing.
55:49If you ever decided to sell them.
55:51I don't think we'll be getting rid of them, though.
55:54I think they're so beautiful.
55:56You can't.
55:57It's great to hear.
56:01A lot more than we thought.
56:03Startling.
56:04Yeah.
56:05Really extraordinary.
56:07Really nice to know more information about it.
56:10I have to do some more...
56:11Digging.
56:12Digging, yeah.
56:13Before we go, I just wanted to show you something unusual.
56:26We see lots of dolls on the Antiques Roadshow.
56:29But I've never seen one like this.
56:31She dates from the 1860s.
56:33She's a fortune-telling doll.
56:35And she would have been used as a kind of after-dinner or parlour game
56:38if we passed around the guests.
56:40And the reason is because, look, under her skirts are all these little fortunes
56:47written on pieces of paper.
56:49And I've been allowed to open one, which I should do very carefully.
56:52Look.
56:54There you are.
56:55And in it, it says,
56:59What you wish for, you shall obtain.
57:04Isn't she amazing?
57:05From the Antiques Roadshow here at Cartwright Hall.
57:07Bye-bye.
57:10How do you love me?
57:12Bye-bye.
57:15She says,
57:17That's too fast.
57:19His parabens herself.
57:20Who knew.
57:21What did she have theiggs on bone?
57:22Can she has thefigure.
57:24Who knew?
57:26There are no grace.
57:27She was very lucky in the entendu world.
57:28We met이랑 Carly parlour network.
57:29That's what grace meant.
57:30And I will try not...
57:31To gather the patties.
57:33Maybe behind, you not go.
57:35You're grained and yung up to find them
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