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00:00:00Good morning, I'm Jeff Berman, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

00:00:20Today we announce criminal charges against this man, Lawrence Ray, who for nearly a decade

00:00:27exploited and abused young women and men emotionally, physically and sexually for his own financial

00:00:34gain.

00:00:40Who is Larry Ray?

00:00:42Nobody really knows.

00:00:44Ray has been charged with nine counts, including sex trafficking, extortion, forced labor and

00:00:50money laundering.

00:00:55He was a master manipulator, a master con man, but every single relationship he had was

00:01:03based on a fraud.

00:01:08Larry has filled this void for the kids of having a parental figure that was there for

00:01:12them and wanted to listen to them.

00:01:18Investigators claim that Ray groomed the roommates, conducting therapy sessions.

00:01:24He would talk about how to be the best person that you can be.

00:01:27It's a weird theory called quest for potential.

00:01:30He manipulated them into making their worlds smaller and smaller until they were totally

00:01:36dependent upon him.

00:01:38How could these bright young students have gone along with this?

00:01:40Larry tells them they have to work all day.

00:01:43They become profit centers.

00:01:45He has them literally drain the bank accounts of their parents.

00:01:50Ray initially befriended his victims moving into their on-campus housing before encouraging

00:01:56them the summer after their sophomore year to move in with him to a Manhattan apartment.

00:02:01He would begin to instruct them to have sex with each other and do various things that

00:02:07they weren't comfortable with.

00:02:13Larry has to force her to continue being a prostitute.

00:02:17We're dealing with brain control, mind control.

00:02:21We're looking at a con artist on steroids.

00:02:27And like this in the rest of the morning, the晚 first startsomena being a prostitute in the

00:02:45lover.

00:02:48I've got a castor.

00:02:52i was looking for a story i could work on a friend of mine had gone to her five-year reunion

00:03:05at sarah lawrence people at the reunion were gossiping about these rumors about what had

00:03:10happened to some of these kids who they'd gone to school with

00:03:12and somebody had found this website it was pretty unsettling

00:03:21it had a lot of different headers that were called things like i poisoned people because my mother

00:03:29told me to or i am a liar and i am working for the government and there is a link to this video

00:03:39sunday march 22nd please talk audibly claudia it's sunday march 22nd this girl was sort of being

00:03:50interviewed

00:03:50start from the most current time backwards

00:03:57and first are you making this by your own free will yes anybody pay you anybody threaten you

00:04:06no anybody course you no it begins with claudia saying i'm making this of my own free will

00:04:13which is first of all like if you have to say that you're probably not okay so when did you poison last

00:04:20and a man is off camera asking her questions in this deep voice an older man's voice

00:04:30so you're saying you put mercury on where on the doorknobs in the hospital

00:04:36your food

00:04:38other things i touched or anybody touched

00:04:43it was clear that something weird was going on my thinking about it turned from oh is claudia this like

00:04:55you know evil poisoner which was how the website presented her into something wrong is being done to

00:05:02her by this guy and you know that's the first time i kind of encountered larry ray

00:05:10i just started reaching out to people that were named on the website to talk to them about what had

00:05:20been going on with claudia and what had happened to her and i pitched it to new york magazine on the initial striking thing which was that a man moved into his daughter's dorm room

00:05:30sarah lawrence is a small liberal arts college in upstate new york where people are really dedicated to

00:05:47learning and are extremely intelligent it's a very hard school to get into it seems to attract

00:05:54young people who are interested in the arts interested in literature interested in theater maybe

00:05:59i wanted to study literature so i went there it was beautiful leafy green campus and it was not too far from the city

00:06:07tolly ray grew up in new jersey she was a really driven student she had this group of friends

00:06:21that she moved in with sophomore year into a campus housing and they were freestanding houses all kind of arranged in a row

00:06:29halfway from this little forest

00:06:33they were gonna have fun hang out make food together throw some parties

00:06:37classic sophomore year of college stuff

00:06:39daniel levin was from new jersey he was a kind of a shy kid but he was excited to make new friends he wanted to be a writer i believe

00:06:53then there's santos rosario which was talia's former boyfriend turned friend and roommate

00:06:59his parents owned a travel agency in the bronx small family business it was the american dream

00:07:07claudia was from los angeles she was super creative she liked to tell stories you know her friends from high school

00:07:13thought of her as gregarious and you know she'd also had a really sheltered kind of childhood

00:07:19and then there's isabella pollack

00:07:21she was from san antonio very far away from home she was pretty shy also pretty sheltered

00:07:27she and talia quickly really bonded and became like really close friends

00:07:37the group of students who were talia's housemates were you know 18 19 years old

00:07:45most of them from good families good academic backgrounds what's important to remember

00:07:55the human brain is not fully developed until you're 25 years old so that's a very vulnerable period

00:08:01they definitely were all trying to figure out who they were and where they belonged in this world at college

00:08:07kind of leaning on each other to try to figure out what they were supposed to be doing

00:08:17when talia showed up at sarah lawrence and met this group her dad was a central part of her conversations

00:08:23she would describe how he was this amazing smart person that she idolized

00:08:29he is an extremely important person who had all these important connections in new york

00:08:35she painted him as someone who had been wrongly pursued by law enforcement because he had powerful enemies

00:08:45she described him as some political martyr who'd taken on corruption and been punished and was in jail

00:08:53when she was seven larry and talia's mother teresa got divorced

00:08:59and the custody dispute quickly turned extremely nasty years later talia refuses to live with her mom

00:09:09and at a certain point larry and talia essentially go on the run

00:09:15they're tracked down by u.s marshals and you know they burst through the door and arrest larry

00:09:21larry

00:09:23larry ray goes to jail for the child custody dispute the way that talia describes her father to her friends

00:09:31at sarah lawrence is that he's been wrongfully accused of this child custody dispute and shouldn't be in jail

00:09:37hates her mother for putting him there

00:09:39talia is obsessed with larry he is the perfect dad ever and he's been wrongfully convicted

00:09:45one day she basically says my dad is getting out of prison and you needed a place to kind of land

00:09:51after getting out of jail she was like yeah my dad's gonna come visit and maybe you know spend the night and

00:09:55yeah

00:09:57it's totally not unusual for parents to drop by colleges and even spend the night sometimes and then he kind of stayed

00:10:11stayed

00:10:13i think the initial reaction was probably their gut reaction and should have been one that they listened to

00:10:19was like why is this grown man in our college dorm room this is weird

00:10:23but he sort of installed himself in the common room

00:10:27as like a father figure for the dorm

00:10:31i thought he was very cool very smart very composed and very inspirational

00:10:37he was very friendly and he seemed you know sort of very different from anyone like very magnetic

00:10:45charismatic kind of personality

00:10:47he'd make dinner for everyone

00:10:49or you'd order food these kind of lavish meals

00:10:53you know you're a college student that's awesome

00:10:55so kids would kind of hang out with him and listen to him talk

00:10:57and he'd give these almost sort of like lectures at night in the common room

00:11:01so i think that while their immediate reaction was like talia why did you just bring your father into our house

00:11:09quickly translated to talia i can't imagine your father not being in this house

00:11:13being in college is a uniquely vulnerable point in the life of a lot of people

00:11:19you're away from home

00:11:21for the first time

00:11:23you're in a strange place not exactly sure what you're doing

00:11:27it was

00:11:29it was really hard for me i

00:11:31i was not really prepared to live alone

00:11:33i had like

00:11:35never done laundry before going to college

00:11:37i had a lot of separation anxiety from my parents

00:11:41i just felt

00:11:43very sort of

00:11:45anchorless and

00:11:47anxious and didn't really have a good handle on myself

00:11:51larry sold himself as

00:11:55an expert in self-improvement

00:11:59some sort of combination of a life coach and therapist

00:12:03somebody tells you i got the answers

00:12:05and can do it in a confident way

00:12:07he's in a position

00:12:09to exert undue influence

00:12:11i have exactly the answer and i am

00:12:13the bridge to mental health

00:12:15for you and that can be powerful

00:12:19i'm having anxiety and all these problems

00:12:21and santos was like

00:12:23why don't you talk to larry

00:12:25he's great he's been helping me

00:12:27i ended up confiding in him a lot about issues

00:12:31that i have with my family

00:12:33my depression that i struggled with in high school

00:12:35larry really listened

00:12:37and really really seemed

00:12:39as though he actually very much wanted to help me

00:12:43i shared a lot of very personal things

00:12:47he spoke a lot about inspirational things

00:12:49like honesty principles

00:12:51science and philosophy

00:12:53i considered him a very honest

00:12:55and truthful person

00:12:57and initially i felt it was important

00:12:59to me to be a good person

00:13:01you know be like him

00:13:03be honest and be truthful

00:13:05you talk about

00:13:11how to be the best person that you can be

00:13:13and how everybody has a potential that they can achieve

00:13:17some weird theory called quest for potential

00:13:23he framed it as helping them optimize and helping them get over their insecurities

00:13:29to become happier more effective people

00:13:31larry promised

00:13:33young people who were very

00:13:35confused and felt alienated

00:13:37that he was

00:13:39the person who was going to pull them out of it

00:13:41he's helping them reveal

00:13:43hidden truths about themselves

00:13:45and changing the programming

00:13:47that we're evil parents and evil society

00:13:49all these things that were sort of done to them

00:13:51and he is intentionally changing their mindset

00:13:57larry said that he had extensive military training in the mind

00:14:01and human behavior from different departments of the government

00:14:05so dod

00:14:07fbi cia

00:14:09dia

00:14:10marine corps

00:14:12the sort of climax of it

00:14:15would be

00:14:16these stories about

00:14:18his heroic past

00:14:21larry claimed to the kids that he

00:14:23helped

00:14:24negotiations to end the war and ghost vote

00:14:26he claimed to have

00:14:27be related to al capone

00:14:29the list goes on

00:14:30he was very good at myth making

00:14:32about himself

00:14:33i think if you were to sit larry ray down

00:14:35and ask him the question

00:14:36larry who are you

00:14:39i think he'd con you

00:14:41in his own answer

00:14:42because i'm not sure larry ray knows

00:14:45who he really is

00:14:48larry ray is someone who can become

00:14:51whoever you want him to be

00:14:54and whoever he needs you to think he is

00:15:03larry ray is larry greco one thing

00:15:16it's the name he was born under

00:15:18larry grew up in brooklyn

00:15:20i mean if you hear him he's a quintessential brooklyn boy

00:15:24at a certain point his parents divorced and mom remarried a man named gordon ray and larry took his stepfather's last name

00:15:37he served in the military for 19 days

00:15:39he was

00:15:40he was

00:15:41discharged

00:15:42for reasons that are unclear

00:15:44he

00:15:45married

00:15:46his

00:15:47high school sweetheart

00:15:48teresa

00:15:49he's

00:15:50known a lot of people

00:15:51he's known a lot of connected people

00:15:54he seems to sort of fit in where he goes

00:15:57whether that be law enforcement or

00:15:59reportedly he

00:16:01had some mafia connections in brooklyn

00:16:04he seemingly knew everybody

00:16:06really good friends with bernie carrick

00:16:10bernie carrick was the new york city police commissioner

00:16:14and he was somebody giuliani had brought up from

00:16:17just being an undercover cop into being like a you know high ranking member of the administration

00:16:24in 1995 i met larry ray

00:16:28we would work out together

00:16:31we'd have coffee

00:16:32have lunch

00:16:34he was extremely charismatic

00:16:36he was very smart

00:16:38very very smart

00:16:40it's this sort of like mutually beneficial business relationship but it's also a real friendship

00:16:45larry's the best man at bernie's wedding

00:16:48looking back it's kind of strange

00:16:50you know you get married you have all these wedding photos

00:16:53and i've got a thousand wedding photos

00:16:56and not one has my best man in it

00:16:59they've all been

00:17:00discarded

00:17:04and larry ray

00:17:06helped carrick

00:17:08broker an introduction between rudy giuliani

00:17:11and michael gorbachev

00:17:15larry was flying into jfk

00:17:17and he comes out of the international terminal

00:17:20and he says burn i want you to meet president gorbachev

00:17:24i said okay

00:17:25all right

00:17:27i told the mayor

00:17:28i said gorbachev is here

00:17:30he'd love to see you if you have a minute

00:17:32and giuliani said absolutely bring him down

00:17:35for a politician like rudy giuliani that kind of photo op is worth more than its weight in gold

00:17:48it was pretty slick

00:17:49you've got this guy who just spent years in prison

00:18:04he lands in this dorm

00:18:06with these young vulnerable eager roommates of his daughter who adores him

00:18:12who basically set them up to like him

00:18:16and so for him you can see where his little wheels are turning and thinking oh

00:18:25isabella was clearly the closest to talia and the closest to larry

00:18:31and larry would often sleep in isabella's room

00:18:37ray told residents of the apartment that she needed help she needed supervision essentially

00:18:42you know instead of it being something sexual he was really just there to supervise her through the night

00:18:49i was pretty freaked out at first

00:18:51i didn't really know what to think

00:18:53i thought it was weird

00:18:55he got her like this coat that she really loved that was like significantly more elegant than her other clothing

00:19:01so she seemed to like actually open up more after meeting him

00:19:04he just said that he was helping her through some psychological issues or emotional issues she was having

00:19:08and then at the end of that semester

00:19:19isabella's parents get a phone call from larry

00:19:23he said if she comes home for christmas she's going to be reliving trauma and she's she's going to kill herself

00:19:36he told them that you know isabella didn't feel safe with them

00:19:40that was a complete shock

00:19:42he was breaking her from her family

00:19:45the purpose is separating you from friends and family any support system you may have had

00:19:51and obviously making the decision for her that she wasn't going to go home

00:19:55and isabella isn't protesting that

00:19:58so the family gets completely flummoxed like what the hell is going on here

00:20:02but their hands were kind of tied i mean you can't take an adult away from a situation she wanted to be in

00:20:12and so it's the beginning of breaking everyone off from anyone else

00:20:15my name is lee chen i'm a businessman based primarily here in manhattan

00:20:32when i first remember meeting larry ray he was a person with a commanding presence

00:20:42we had engaged in several business dealings

00:20:46he seemed like a very kind person

00:20:50i thought that he was caring and he exhibited signs that he had a lot of compassion

00:20:57there was a time during christmas break larry had brought back to my apartment

00:21:07not only talia but also isabella pollack

00:21:10larry would take them out to these like lavish dinners

00:21:16he'd often pay in cash he had all this cash in his backpack

00:21:20larry is in control of everything

00:21:23what they eat where they go what they do

00:21:26and there's a really odd kind of

00:21:29dynamic between larry and isabella which seems really sexual

00:21:32even though it's supposedly all about helping her

00:21:34what he was doing was establishing full control

00:21:39he's away from the campus any like people saying what the hell is going on there

00:21:43and so he is reinforcing that separation from the outside world

00:21:47often i wasn't there because i've been traveling for business

00:22:01when i came back from the strip he had moved himself into my bedroom

00:22:12but it wasn't just him

00:22:15and it wasn't just him and talia i only had one bed in my bedroom

00:22:19it was him talia and isabella

00:22:23and they were sleeping in my bed all together

00:22:25all together

00:22:30larry's stroking isabella's hair on the bed

00:22:33and calling her his baby girl

00:22:38she's what 19 maybe 20

00:22:41this man's in his 50s

00:22:43you know she's sleeping in his bed every night

00:22:46so he can help her whatever that means

00:22:48it was methodically choosing one person

00:22:52who became totally dependent on him

00:22:55and then could sort of systematically work through the rest of the people

00:23:00the rest of the people

00:23:30larry has filled this void for the kids

00:23:33of having a parental figure that was there for them

00:23:35and wanted to listen to them

00:23:37and had time for them

00:23:41daniel was coming to him with some of his insecurities

00:23:44and he had a pretty normal question

00:23:48which was he was struggling with his sexuality

00:23:51you know am i straight or gay

00:23:53larry in a very definitive way said

00:23:56you're not gay

00:23:58you know you're straight

00:24:00and once larry knew that

00:24:02larry was able to really use that

00:24:04against daniel

00:24:06and use that in daniel's relationship with his family and his father

00:24:10daniel's dad wrote to him in an email

00:24:15it's like you're hypnotized when i talk to you

00:24:18it's like what's up with you

00:24:20you know there was there's a real shift

00:24:22in these people's outward personalities

00:24:28isabella's aunt and her mother flew to new york

00:24:31and they had dinner with isabella and larry

00:24:34and larry was just seemed very much to be kind of in control of the conversation

00:24:38and isabella seemed to just kind of go along with whatever he said

00:24:41so you know they went back to san antonio

00:24:44the history of this case is replete with people trying their best to draw the attention of authorities

00:24:54some fifty year old guys living in the dorm

00:24:57it's strange

00:24:59some of the parents thought it was pretty weird

00:25:02especially as the situation progressed

00:25:04the parents said they made complaints to the school administrators

00:25:07parents writing to speaking with sarah lawrence officials

00:25:15at least one student communicating with the dean of students

00:25:20we've got an issue here

00:25:21they want to beEST

00:25:25everybody vardır

00:25:27in other words

00:25:31we'll hear

00:25:34we'll hear

00:25:36you

00:25:39the

00:25:41want to talk to Lloyd

00:25:43um

00:25:46and

00:25:47the next summer larry had started to bring more and more students into my home

00:26:09dan claudia and santos were kind of like the newer acolytes the ones who were kind of

00:26:16more recently falling under the sway of larry and seeking him out for guidance and so they sort of

00:26:21all end up living there larry isabella and talia shared the bedroom and in the living room we got

00:26:29two king-size blow-up mattresses which we would put on the ground and they would completely cover

00:26:34the ground and then there were two there was a longer couch and a shorter couch it's a one

00:26:40bedroom apartment but there's like multiple people sleeping there there's not enough space for

00:26:44everybody many times when i'd come back from a trip whether it be business or personal i'd find

00:26:53all these people in my living room and larry standing there like a general talking to his

00:27:01assembled troops they're really now what i call a self-sealed system you're closed to the outside

00:27:08world you may be living in the middle of manhattan but you're in an altered reality

00:27:13larry ray took it upon himself to study cults he wanted to hone and refine his con skills

00:27:24and turn them into cult development skills

00:27:28he would start every morning by playing the song to wake them up and it would be like

00:27:44okay you know larry's in charge

00:27:47he was the day in day out ringleader of what this group was doing

00:27:55he would talk about how to be the best person that you can be and how everybody has a potential that

00:28:03they can achieve to tell you what to do he'd tell you what was wrong with you

00:28:09the sort of climax of it would be these nighttime sort of sessions where they would sit around and

00:28:20talk it sounded like there was very little sleep sitting around all hours of the night analyzing

00:28:28themselves and analyzing each other ad nauseum he was starting to test them in ways that would really

00:28:36push them the discussions would become like focused on one person this long drawn out period of

00:28:46interrogation basically with them at first denying and then eventually after hours confessing to having

00:28:52done something wrong he kept calling me a liar saying that what i was saying wasn't true and that i

00:28:59should give him a list of things that i did wrong and he would periodically have me affirm how i harmed

00:29:06him throughout the day or throughout the time that i knew him he was brainwashing them by

00:29:12forcing them to over and over again under under pressure admit to doing things that they hadn't done

00:29:20until they either believed it or said that they believed it and then instead of using those stories

00:29:28to help people feel better about themselves he turned them around and used them to humiliate people

00:29:34and to control them how could these bright young students have gone along with this

00:29:39it's the months of indoctrination to the point where they have internalized the beliefs

00:29:46and the behaviors that larry has been imparting to them pressure would ratchet up

00:29:52where it wouldn't just be about like you know how can we help this person's mental health it would be

00:29:58like what did this person do to disrupt the group

00:30:01personally i felt like everyone only spoke to me because larry

00:30:09you know told them to he actually told me they only spoke to me because he told them to multiple times

00:30:17so i felt very ostracized and on thin ice he manipulated them into making their worlds

00:30:27smaller and smaller until they were totally dependent upon him

00:30:33so Rosalia

00:30:45so

00:30:47The Bongo Cachoa was a former boyfriend of Talia's.

00:31:17He spent a lot of time in the apartment.

00:31:23He was very much part of the group.

00:31:25Yvonne was just very, very easy to be around.

00:31:28His smile was electric.

00:31:30He had a gift for breaking tension and just making the mood light.

00:31:36He saw Larry as kind of a mentor and a guiding light who had looked after him.

00:31:41He believed that Larry was sort of this example of this heroic Marine that he wanted to emulate.

00:31:49He enlisted in the Marines, which Larry pushed him to do, even though Larry was not in the Marines.

00:31:56And by the time of the students living in the apartment, he's come back from serving in Afghanistan.

00:32:07He'd been through some really traumatizing things in Afghanistan.

00:32:11He'd seen some people close to him die.

00:32:14And he was experiencing PTSD.

00:32:18I felt that Larry had placed himself in a position where Yvonne saw him as a factor in his treatment.

00:32:26And I think it's something that Larry took advantage of.

00:32:28Sometimes I'd be hanging out with Yvonne, and he'd just, like, pick up the phone.

00:32:33Yes, yes, boom, hang up.

00:32:35And then he's like, gotta go.

00:32:37I'd be like, oh, he's gotta be ready at all times.

00:32:41He often played a role of sort of like a gopher.

00:32:45Larry would have him drive him around.

00:32:50As I was reporting a story, I spoke with Yvonne.

00:32:54When I talked to him, it was in 2019.

00:32:58He's helped me through a lot of, I mean, a lot of emotional battles that I had.

00:33:06Directing me and guiding me, I should say.

00:33:08He was there for me to help me sort of get my bearings again when I came back to civilian society.

00:33:18He kind of saw himself as on a mission for Larry.

00:33:21And it was his duty to, if Larry ever needed anything, in the same way as he would obey a commander in the military, he would do what Larry needed.

00:33:33As time passed, Larry began to also test them with physical violence.

00:33:46In the beginning, sort of small things that weren't necessarily scary, like shoving.

00:33:51Larry described how, like, a bond had come to some sort of very critical turning point in his processing or therapy.

00:34:06And in order to push him towards the right decision, Larry, like, took the edge of a spatula and pressed him to his neck and told him it was a knife and told him he was going to die.

00:34:20And he should just let go of whatever psychological thing he was holding on to.

00:34:24Larry was an obsessive documentarian of what his life was comprised of and what the victims were doing and what they owed him.

00:34:40Larry would hit them or make them do things while simultaneously firing off questions and forcing them to admit things that they didn't even know existed until that second.

00:34:52Larry was trying to parse again and wanting to meet them.

00:34:57I'm being honest, though.

00:34:58Me and me.

00:34:59The guy, the stick of the ****.

00:35:03The next one's going to be the head of your ****.

00:35:06Do you understand? See this how it feels?

00:35:08What if I pick you up right there?

00:35:09I'm going to pick you up by your top?

00:35:12Huh?

00:35:13You're a grown man. I'm a grown man.

00:35:14I don't like what you did.

00:35:16I know.

00:35:18You hear me?

00:35:19Yeah.

00:35:19Mm-hmm.

00:35:21Mm-hmm.

00:35:21Now, one more time, and I'm going to split your tongue in here.

00:35:24You're doubting me, Danny?

00:35:25No.

00:35:27Mm-hmm.

00:35:30Larry Ray is the epitome of a malignant narcissist.

00:35:38He is vengeful.

00:35:41He is mean.

00:35:43He is motivated by power.

00:35:45And he is dangerous.

00:35:48These narcissists are so full of themselves,

00:35:53and they want to record everything

00:35:55as proof of what they're able to accomplish.

00:36:01He was starting to advise them on their sex lives

00:36:05and begin to put pressure on them

00:36:07to be more open sexually.

00:36:09And I think a lot of it, for Larry,

00:36:13it was about using sex as sort of a tool

00:36:17to destabilize them, make them uncomfortable.

00:36:21It was a tactic.

00:36:22It's a way to hook someone in.

00:36:25You know, how could you be more honored

00:36:27than to have the revered person

00:36:29wanting to have a sexual relationship?

00:36:32It's one of the deepest, most intimate ways

00:36:35to control someone.

00:36:36Larry came out of the bedroom,

00:36:40and it was just us in the living room.

00:36:42And, like, stood over me.

00:36:44Started grabbing himself, like, under his pants.

00:36:48And started talking about, like, orgasms

00:36:51and how he could make me orgasm without touching.

00:36:55He also suggested that Dan and I have sex right there.

00:36:58And when he left, we did.

00:37:02And Yvonne was, like, next to us.

00:37:05Larry really targeted and humiliated Daniel

00:37:09because of his issue of sexual exploration.

00:37:13And he told Daniel to go in the other room

00:37:20and put on a dress.

00:37:21It's one of the women's dresses.

00:37:24And so in front of everybody,

00:37:26he's making fun of him in this dress.

00:37:29And then he asked Isabella to bring out a sex toy

00:37:38and then told Daniel to try and put that into himself

00:37:44in front of the whole group.

00:37:46And they all sort of stood around

00:37:48making fun of him for this.

00:37:49You can imagine the trauma for Daniel

00:37:54to have to go through such an experience

00:37:57of shame and humiliation.

00:38:01He just got older and older.

00:38:04As it snowballed, it became this cult

00:38:07that he could completely control.

00:38:14Li Chen is growing increasingly disturbed

00:38:17by what's happening here.

00:38:18And it's not just the mental and physical abuse

00:38:22he's witnessing.

00:38:23It's also what Larry's doing in his apartment.

00:38:29Larry had asked me to help him reorganize the apartment

00:38:32because it was a mess

00:38:33and repaint the walls of the foyer

00:38:35and remodel the bathroom.

00:38:39And it quickly devolves into Larry wanting

00:38:41to fix this one-bedroom apartment

00:38:42and is up to these kids to fix it for him.

00:38:45I mean, Santos Rosario was a 19-year-old kid.

00:38:50He does not know how to fix walls

00:38:53or do manual labor or home improvement.

00:38:57Larry had completely changed the appearance

00:39:00of my apartment.

00:39:01He took down walls, painted the foyer pink,

00:39:05and left electrical wires hanging in the breeze.

00:39:10It was the most incredible thing I'd ever seen.

00:39:14Larry had never paid me any rent.

00:39:17I'd gotten completely fed up.

00:39:19And I told him,

00:39:21I don't want to hear it.

00:39:23And you have to get out.

00:39:24I sent him a 10-day notice to leave.

00:39:30That's when he changed the locks on my apartment

00:39:32so I could no longer get into my own home.

00:39:36I took Larry to the New York County Civil Court.

00:39:40It took me over three years

00:39:43to gain an eviction judgment.

00:39:46If somebody wrote a Larry Ray novel,

00:39:57it would never get published

00:39:59because your publisher would say,

00:40:02it's too much.

00:40:03It's too much.

00:40:04That can never happen.

00:40:06Never.

00:40:07You never get,

00:40:07nobody's going to believe this.

00:40:09So go back and do it all over again

00:40:11because it's not going to work.

00:40:12That's the only way to describe

00:40:14the insanity of Larry Ray's

00:40:18con-ability, if you will.

00:40:24I think the way that Larry

00:40:26always wanted to be

00:40:28was the way that he portrayed himself to other people.

00:40:30He really wanted to be important.

00:40:34Over the course of the 90s,

00:40:36we can really see Larry and Bernie

00:40:38kind of riding high together.

00:40:40It's mutually beneficial

00:40:41where Carrick gets Larry's connections

00:40:44to meet influential people

00:40:46and kind of advance his rise.

00:40:49Meanwhile, Larry is using Carrick's influence

00:40:53for meeting as many powerful people as possible

00:40:55and playing them off each other.

00:40:57And then things kind of went south.

00:41:00Larry Ray does not discriminate

00:41:02on getting access to powerful players.

00:41:06And that includes organized crime members,

00:41:09Larry Ray served as a confidential source

00:41:17for the FBI,

00:41:19talking about a $40 million Wall Street scheme.

00:41:24He's aware of a Wall Street fraud

00:41:27connected to the Gambino crime family.

00:41:30But Larry is putting himself out as informant

00:41:33to cover his own role in the scheme.

00:41:37And eventually, the FBI catches on that,

00:41:41wait a minute,

00:41:42our informant is actually part of this crime.

00:41:4720 people arrested,

00:41:49including stockbrokers

00:41:50and alleged associates

00:41:52of the Gambino crime family.

00:41:55My cell phone rings.

00:41:57Larry calls me,

00:41:57tells me he's been arrested.

00:41:58And he wanted to see me

00:42:01and wanted me to help him.

00:42:05No, you don't understand.

00:42:06The FBI's got it wrong

00:42:08and all this other stuff.

00:42:10You know,

00:42:10can you call the U.S. attorney?

00:42:13Can you call a judge?

00:42:16I said,

00:42:16I'm not doing any of that.

00:42:18You know,

00:42:19you're indicted.

00:42:20I can't get involved.

00:42:26He's had us to five years of probation

00:42:28with the caveat that,

00:42:30you know,

00:42:30if he commits more crimes during this,

00:42:31he'll help you in prison.

00:42:33Larry doesn't take that well.

00:42:34In Larry Ray's mind,

00:42:36Bernie Kerrick owed him.

00:42:38He made Bernie Kerrick.

00:42:41Larry decides,

00:42:42I'm going to take out my revenge.

00:42:45And that takes the form

00:42:46of calling the media.

00:42:48He starts talking about

00:42:49ethics violations

00:42:51that Bernie Kerrick

00:42:52might be involved in.

00:42:54Ray was a one-time felon

00:42:56turned FBI informant.

00:42:57But he turned on Kerrick,

00:42:59telling authorities

00:43:00how Kerrick took

00:43:01$150,000

00:43:02in free apartment renovations

00:43:04from a mob-linked

00:43:06construction firm.

00:43:07Some of it was checks,

00:43:08some of it was cash.

00:43:09Kerrick went to prison.

00:43:11I blame all of it

00:43:14on Larry Ray.

00:43:15He started the investigation.

00:43:18That eventually resulted

00:43:20in me going to prison.

00:43:21And he was very proud of it.

00:43:25The End

00:43:26By the time Larry gets out of jail in 2010,

00:43:41he is completely alone.

00:43:42I think any sort of connection

00:43:44he used to have is gone.

00:43:45He is no longer

00:43:46of any importance

00:43:48in the city.

00:43:50But it's fascinating

00:43:52because the way

00:43:52that Talia described him

00:43:55to her friends

00:43:56her freshman year of college

00:43:58at Sarah Lawrence

00:43:58is that he still has that power.

00:44:02Larry pulls Bernie Kerrick out

00:44:04when he starts telling

00:44:06the college students

00:44:07really powerful people

00:44:08coming after him.

00:44:10Santos Rosario,

00:44:26he had two sisters.

00:44:31Yalitza attended Columbia

00:44:33as an undergraduate.

00:44:33Felicia has gone to Harvard

00:44:40and she's now doing

00:44:42her medical residency

00:44:43in Los Angeles.

00:44:43She was well on her way

00:44:45to a successful life

00:44:48with a meaningful career.

00:44:50Santos had expressed interest

00:44:53in connecting Felicia

00:44:55with Larry

00:44:56because he felt Larry

00:44:58was helping him

00:44:59identify his issues

00:45:00and overcome them

00:45:01and he wanted

00:45:02his sister Felicia

00:45:03to get the same benefit.

00:45:09And, you know,

00:45:10she's introduced to Larry

00:45:11and begins talking to him

00:45:13at length

00:45:14on the phone.

00:45:20Felicia was essentially

00:45:22recruited and groomed

00:45:24long distance.

00:45:25We were on the phone

00:45:28together.

00:45:30Oh, I thought he was

00:45:30really nice,

00:45:32charming, smart.

00:45:35We ended up talking

00:45:37every day,

00:45:37multiple times a day.

00:45:39So we were friendly.

00:45:40We talked about my siblings

00:45:41a lot because he was

00:45:43spending a lot of time

00:45:43with them.

00:45:47Then it got to be

00:45:48romantic.

00:45:49And Larry plays off

00:45:54of that

00:45:54and gets her

00:45:55to kind of

00:45:58do things

00:45:59that she's not

00:45:59comfortable with.

00:46:02At first,

00:46:03he asked about

00:46:03how many people

00:46:04I slept with.

00:46:05Then what kind

00:46:06of sex did I like?

00:46:07Who did I like

00:46:07to sleep with?

00:46:08That was at first.

00:46:11He insisted

00:46:12that I was

00:46:12to go out

00:46:13and have sex

00:46:14with strangers.

00:46:16While she was still

00:46:17living in Los Angeles,

00:46:18working on her residency,

00:46:21Felicia started

00:46:22fulfilling these

00:46:23sexual requests

00:46:24for Larry.

00:46:25She believed

00:46:26she was in

00:46:26a relationship

00:46:27with him

00:46:28and she didn't

00:46:28want to do

00:46:29any of that

00:46:30and pushed back.

00:46:31But ultimately,

00:46:32he convinced her

00:46:33that she would

00:46:33do these things

00:46:34if she loved him.

00:46:36Larry also

00:46:37wanted to see me

00:46:38having sex

00:46:39with someone else

00:46:40and he wanted

00:46:42me to record it.

00:46:44Larry wouldn't

00:46:45stop asking.

00:46:47He was getting

00:46:48more angry

00:46:48and so I decided

00:46:50I would comply

00:46:51and appease him.

00:46:53I didn't want

00:46:54to, though.

00:46:57It's remarkable

00:46:58that someone

00:47:00like Felicia,

00:47:02with her education

00:47:05and her life

00:47:05experience,

00:47:07that she got

00:47:09sucked in

00:47:09so completely

00:47:11and so quickly.

00:47:12you have to ask

00:47:14yourself,

00:47:15how does that happen?

00:47:17Felicia was most likely

00:47:19in a vulnerable place

00:47:21at that point.

00:47:22She was in her

00:47:22medical residency.

00:47:24That's tough.

00:47:26Perhaps learned

00:47:27enough from Santos

00:47:29of the things

00:47:30that would make

00:47:31her more suggestible

00:47:32to his,

00:47:33whatever he was saying

00:47:34on the phone to her.

00:47:35It really shows

00:47:37how good he was

00:47:38at what he did,

00:47:39which is what

00:47:40some of the people

00:47:41in his previous lives

00:47:43had said about him.

00:47:52He talked about

00:47:54how he had helped

00:47:55bring down

00:47:55Bernard Carrick

00:47:56and basically

00:47:58put him in jail

00:47:59and that now

00:48:00Bernard Carrick

00:48:01and others

00:48:01were after him

00:48:02and were trying

00:48:02to hurt him.

00:48:03He talked about

00:48:05how the people

00:48:05who were trying

00:48:06to hurt him

00:48:06would target

00:48:07everyone who

00:48:07he was associated

00:48:08with or cared about.

00:48:10I had become

00:48:11extremely paranoid.

00:48:12I was terrified

00:48:13that people were

00:48:14going to come

00:48:14and kill me.

00:48:16I was just scared

00:48:17out of my mind.

00:48:18I couldn't sleep.

00:48:19She goes from

00:48:19being somebody

00:48:20who is like

00:48:20on a really solid

00:48:22upward trajectory

00:48:23to somebody

00:48:26who has moved

00:48:27her mattress

00:48:29into the living room

00:48:30and installed cameras

00:48:31around her apartment

00:48:32that Larry encouraged

00:48:33her to buy

00:48:34and set up

00:48:35because she's afraid

00:48:36that people are out

00:48:36to get her.

00:48:38He really preys

00:48:39on this

00:48:39to induce her

00:48:40to leave

00:48:41her residency

00:48:42and abandon

00:48:44her dreams

00:48:46of being a doctor.

00:48:48She just drops

00:48:49all of this

00:48:50because she's afraid

00:48:51and in love

00:48:52and thinks that Larry

00:48:52can protect her.

00:48:56And so

00:48:57she moves

00:48:59to New York.

00:49:02and moves

00:49:03into the apartment.

00:49:15Do you want

00:49:15to hurt yourself?

00:49:18What?

00:49:20I don't.

00:49:21I don't want to.

00:49:22I don't want to.

00:49:23What?

00:49:24I don't want to hurt myself.

00:49:25I don't know

00:49:28why it was so difficult

00:49:28to say that.

00:49:30Is that accurate?

00:49:33No.

00:49:33I don't want to.

00:49:34No, I do.

00:49:35I still want to.

00:49:37And how have you

00:49:38been thinking

00:49:39about hurting yourself?

00:49:44These young people

00:49:45were very much

00:49:46hostages

00:49:47in a very

00:49:47real

00:49:49sense.

00:49:49Santos went

00:49:50through some

00:49:51awful emotional

00:49:52physical

00:49:53psychological

00:49:53abuse.

00:49:56So there's

00:49:57a video

00:49:58of Santos

00:49:59slapping himself

00:50:01in the face

00:50:01while his

00:50:04sister Felicia

00:50:05is next to him

00:50:07on the couch

00:50:07and she's

00:50:08appears to be

00:50:09really unwell

00:50:10and is kind

00:50:11of freaking out.

00:50:12Santos spends

00:50:13an hour

00:50:15slapping himself

00:50:16in the face

00:50:17pretty hard.

00:50:19Stop talking

00:50:19Felicia.

00:50:20He was doing

00:50:20this because

00:50:21Larry told him

00:50:22it was the only

00:50:23way to get

00:50:23his sister Felicia

00:50:24to stop talking

00:50:25or to be quiet.

00:50:26I think Larry

00:50:27was able to

00:50:28justify in his

00:50:28brain as someone

00:50:29was helping me.

00:50:30Can I get up

00:50:32now?

00:50:32Stop talking.

00:50:34Larry would

00:50:35pit one of his

00:50:36followers against

00:50:37another and use

00:50:38them to shame

00:50:39each other and

00:50:40police each other

00:50:41to just drill

00:50:42feelings of guilt

00:50:43and shame

00:50:44into the minds

00:50:46of his followers.

00:50:46I want to go

00:50:47change my clothes.

00:50:49Like I'm just

00:50:50I don't want to

00:50:51be in here

00:50:51so excuse me.

00:50:53Do not leave it.

00:50:54Do not leave

00:50:54the room Felicia.

00:50:55You're a danger

00:50:56to yourself

00:50:57and others

00:50:57clearly.

00:50:58Felicia was

00:50:59favored early

00:51:01on which can

00:51:03make you feel

00:51:03very special

00:51:04like oh this

00:51:05incredible man

00:51:06is in a

00:51:07relationship with

00:51:08me.

00:51:09And then he

00:51:12just most

00:51:12brutally destroyed

00:51:14her.

00:51:14Felicia.

00:51:14Stay down.

00:51:17Watching Larry

00:51:18physically overpower

00:51:19her and physically

00:51:20restrain her

00:51:21and restrain her

00:51:23really in every

00:51:24way physically and

00:51:25emotionally.

00:51:26It was a long

00:51:28drawn out

00:51:29tortured

00:51:29conditioning period.

00:51:31Are you going to

00:51:32behave?

00:51:32I was terrified.

00:51:42He said he would

00:51:43help me.

00:51:44I felt it was too

00:51:45much for me.

00:51:47The concept of being

00:51:48that bad of a person

00:51:49was just

00:51:49intolerable.

00:51:50Then I went

00:51:55ahead and

00:51:56I tried to

00:51:58end it.

00:52:01I was in the

00:52:02bathroom and I

00:52:03saw a bottle of

00:52:03pills.

00:52:07I hear a pill

00:52:08bottle opening

00:52:09and closing.

00:52:18And then Larry

00:52:18had gotten up.

00:52:19he realized I was

00:52:21out of bed.

00:52:22And he came,

00:52:24slammed the door

00:52:24open from the

00:52:25bathroom and

00:52:25then yanked me

00:52:26by the hair.

00:52:28And then said

00:52:30to Isabella,

00:52:30don't let this

00:52:31fucking cunt kill

00:52:32herself in my

00:52:33apartment.

00:52:41At least

00:52:42three of the

00:52:42women tried to

00:52:44commit suicide.

00:52:45and that's not

00:52:50surprising given

00:52:51what they were

00:52:51enduring.

00:52:53It's beyond

00:52:53comprehension what

00:52:54was being done to

00:52:55them.

00:52:56And of course,

00:52:57it seems only

00:52:58natural that they

00:52:59would reach a point

00:53:00where they just

00:53:00couldn't take it

00:53:01anymore.

00:53:04Suicide becomes

00:53:05an overriding

00:53:06theme where Larry

00:53:08tells them,

00:53:09all of you are

00:53:10prone to suicide.

00:53:11there's been so

00:53:12many suicide

00:53:13attempts among

00:53:14you.

00:53:15You are all

00:53:16uniquely at risk

00:53:17and only I can

00:53:19save you.

00:53:19To an extent,

00:53:44pretty much all of

00:53:45us had PTSD.

00:53:47It's somewhere

00:53:48around 20 guys

00:53:49since 2011

00:53:51who committed

00:53:53suicide.

00:53:56Both people who

00:53:57were more close

00:53:58to me and then

00:53:59people who were

00:54:00like in my unit

00:54:00as a whole.

00:54:01One of the

00:54:02primary symptoms

00:54:03of PTSD and

00:54:04associated with

00:54:05combat trauma

00:54:05is paranoia and

00:54:06hyper-awareness

00:54:07basically.

00:54:09For Yvonne,

00:54:09it definitely

00:54:10didn't seem like

00:54:11that was the

00:54:11main driver.

00:54:13It seemed like

00:54:14it was the

00:54:14thoughts that

00:54:15Larry had put

00:54:16in his head

00:54:16that it's always

00:54:17somebody was

00:54:18out to get

00:54:19him.

00:54:20When I spoke

00:54:21to Yvonne,

00:54:21he sounded

00:54:22rational and

00:54:23coherent,

00:54:24and yet he was

00:54:25talking about

00:54:25something that

00:54:26seemed very

00:54:26divorced from

00:54:27reality.

00:54:31Did you ever

00:54:31see Larry

00:54:32targeted by

00:54:33governmental

00:54:34forces?

00:54:35He was just like,

00:54:54oh, you know,

00:54:55with Larry,

00:54:56Bernard Carrick's

00:54:57still out to get

00:54:57him.

00:54:59It was this

00:54:59paranoid rambling

00:55:00of people

00:55:02associated with

00:55:02Larry who don't

00:55:03like him are

00:55:04out to get

00:55:05Yvonne as

00:55:05well.

00:55:21So in spring

00:55:22of 2013,

00:55:23a number of

00:55:24these students

00:55:25go down to

00:55:26North Carolina,

00:55:27where Larry's

00:55:27stepfather,

00:55:28Gordon Ray,

00:55:29lives.

00:55:30And Talia is

00:55:31also living

00:55:31there.

00:55:32And Gordon

00:55:33has a

00:55:34property.

00:55:35It's a large

00:55:36semi-rural

00:55:37house in

00:55:38Pinehurst,

00:55:39North Carolina,

00:55:39which is a

00:55:40small town.

00:55:43Santos and

00:55:44Dan stay

00:55:45in New York,

00:55:46but the rest

00:55:46of them,

00:55:47Claudia,

00:55:48Yalitza,

00:55:49Felicia,

00:55:50Isabella,

00:55:51are all down

00:55:51in Pinehurst,

00:55:52and they're

00:55:53doing hard

00:55:55labor.

00:55:57Halt leaders

00:56:00typically exploit

00:56:02their followers

00:56:02in whatever way

00:56:03they can.

00:56:05So it's not

00:56:06surprising that

00:56:07Larry would go

00:56:08that route of

00:56:09getting free

00:56:10labor.

00:56:11This property

00:56:12is a total

00:56:13mess.

00:56:14Essentially,

00:56:14they rip up

00:56:15all this sod,

00:56:16they have to

00:56:16put new sod

00:56:17down,

00:56:17they have to

00:56:17dig drainage

00:56:18ditches,

00:56:19they have to

00:56:19use backhoes

00:56:21and machinery,

00:56:22none of which

00:56:22they have any

00:56:23idea how to

00:56:23use.

00:56:24And Larry

00:56:25tells them they

00:56:26have to,

00:56:26work all day

00:56:27and they eat

00:56:28when he tells

00:56:29them to eat

00:56:29and they

00:56:30can't come

00:56:31inside until

00:56:31this work

00:56:32is done.

00:56:33Here we

00:56:34really see

00:56:35the hierarchy

00:56:35even within

00:56:36the group

00:56:36where Talia

00:56:38is the most

00:56:39favored among

00:56:40them.

00:56:41So while

00:56:41they're all

00:56:42outside working,

00:56:42she's inside

00:56:43working on

00:56:44her application

00:56:44to law school.

00:56:45she's not

00:56:47out in the

00:56:47fields.

00:56:49They've got to

00:56:49get it

00:56:50damped from

00:56:50the other

00:56:50side and

00:56:52then to

00:56:52get the

00:56:53water to

00:56:54run inside

00:56:54it.

00:56:55But you

00:56:55believe this

00:56:56overflowed

00:56:56right onto

00:56:57the lawn.

00:56:58What do you

00:56:58say?

00:56:58you've been

00:57:04hurting me for

00:57:05so long

00:57:06behind my

00:57:06back,

00:57:06doing

00:57:07damaging

00:57:07things,

00:57:07destroying

00:57:08property.

00:57:09I don't want

00:57:10to.

00:57:11You don't want

00:57:11to what?

00:57:11I don't want to

00:57:12damage things.

00:57:14Well, when's the

00:57:14last time you

00:57:15damaged them?

00:57:15Larry had a

00:57:16background of

00:57:17extorting people

00:57:18and financial

00:57:19fraud.

00:57:20He created

00:57:21this whole scene

00:57:22where he

00:57:23convinced them

00:57:23that they

00:57:24broke everything

00:57:25of his and

00:57:25then he'd

00:57:26come up with

00:57:26these amounts,

00:57:27you know,

00:57:27like thousands

00:57:28of dollars that

00:57:29they supposedly

00:57:29owed him.

00:57:30I was not

00:57:31trying.

00:57:33But if you're

00:57:33trying to damage

00:57:34it and do,

00:57:35then aren't you

00:57:36doing that?

00:57:37Yes.

00:57:39We were

00:57:39talking about

00:57:40how much damage

00:57:41I did and I

00:57:42gave him the

00:57:42estimate of

00:57:43$100,000.

00:57:45and he said

00:57:47it sounds

00:57:47about right

00:57:48and I said

00:57:49it's probably

00:57:50more and he

00:57:52looks like,

00:57:53yeah, it's

00:57:55probably more.

00:57:57The group

00:57:58was firmly

00:57:58under Larry

00:58:00Ray's thumb

00:58:01and completely

00:58:02sold on the

00:58:03idea that they

00:58:04owed him

00:58:05this massive

00:58:05debt that they

00:58:06really would

00:58:06never be able

00:58:07to work off.

00:58:10And these

00:58:11things they'd

00:58:11done became

00:58:12a mechanism

00:58:13for Larry

00:58:13to extract

00:58:14money from

00:58:15their families.

00:58:16They began

00:58:17to go to

00:58:18their family

00:58:18and friends

00:58:19and tell

00:58:21them that they

00:58:22had done

00:58:22something wrong

00:58:23and that they

00:58:23had to pay

00:58:24him back

00:58:24and that could

00:58:25they help

00:58:25them out?

00:58:26You know,

00:58:26at one point

00:58:27the Rosario

00:58:28parents,

00:58:28they weren't

00:58:29especially wealthy,

00:58:29they had

00:58:30managed to

00:58:30save enough

00:58:31money to

00:58:32buy a small

00:58:32house.

00:58:34And they

00:58:35ended up

00:58:36giving six

00:58:37figure amounts

00:58:38to Larry.

00:58:39There was

00:58:43one day

00:58:43when Santos

00:58:44was on

00:58:44the phone

00:58:44with Talia

00:58:45about how

00:58:46to get

00:58:46his parents

00:58:47to give

00:58:47him money

00:58:47to make

00:58:48repairs.

00:58:49And occasionally

00:58:50Talia would

00:58:50hand the phone

00:58:51to Larry

00:58:51and Larry

00:58:52would talk

00:58:52to Santos.

00:58:53it was like

00:58:55a large

00:58:56amount of

00:58:56money,

00:58:57like $20,000,

00:58:59around $20,000.

00:59:01Santos

00:59:02succeeded.

00:59:03And I

00:59:04remember Larry

00:59:05talking to him

00:59:06and saying,

00:59:06good job,

00:59:07see,

00:59:08doesn't that

00:59:08feel better,

00:59:09you know,

00:59:09making repairs

00:59:10is the right

00:59:10thing to do,

00:59:12that kind

00:59:12of thing.

00:59:13They become

00:59:14profit centers

00:59:15and Larry

00:59:17Ray is

00:59:17exploiting

00:59:18that.

00:59:19he has

00:59:20them drain

00:59:21the bank

00:59:21accounts

00:59:22of their

00:59:22parents,

00:59:23in some

00:59:24cases,

00:59:24the life

00:59:25savings,

00:59:26because they

00:59:26convince their

00:59:27parents,

00:59:28I have done

00:59:28this kind

00:59:29of damage,

00:59:30I owe

00:59:31this guy

00:59:31this kind

00:59:32of money,

00:59:32I'm in

00:59:33big trouble.

00:59:46According

00:59:46to the

00:59:47evidence that

00:59:48was presented,

00:59:49Claudia was

00:59:50in a situation

00:59:51where Larry

00:59:52was demanding

00:59:53thousands and

00:59:54thousands of

00:59:55dollars from

00:59:55her,

00:59:56and he

00:59:58managed to

00:59:59convince her

01:00:00that the

01:00:00only way she

01:00:01could possibly

01:00:02make the

01:00:02kind of money

01:00:03that she

01:00:04needed to

01:00:04make was

01:00:05to begin

01:00:05selling herself.

01:00:13So she

01:00:13began working

01:00:14as a

01:00:14prostitute.

01:00:18Larry

01:00:18convinced

01:00:19Claudia

01:00:19that she

01:00:19owes him,

01:00:21which at

01:00:21this point

01:00:22is into

01:00:22the hundreds

01:00:23of thousands

01:00:23of dollars

01:00:23for damaged

01:00:24machinery and

01:00:25pine

01:00:25hers.

01:00:26She begins

01:00:27sleeping with

01:00:28men for

01:00:28money,

01:00:29and Larry

01:00:29is intimately

01:00:31involved,

01:00:33pushing her to

01:00:35set up a

01:00:36website,

01:00:36and giving

01:00:47Larry the

01:00:49money.

01:00:51I wanted to

01:00:52repair what I

01:00:53believe I had

01:00:53done to Larry,

01:00:55and it was

01:00:55because I felt

01:00:56immense pressure

01:00:57from Larry to

01:00:58get money for

01:00:58him.

01:00:58she starts

01:01:05living in

01:01:06hotels,

01:01:06seeing clients

01:01:08in hotels,

01:01:09and any

01:01:10money except

01:01:11what's required

01:01:12to pay rent

01:01:13and for food

01:01:14is all given

01:01:15to Larry.

01:01:16She was just

01:01:16turned into

01:01:17this money

01:01:18vehicle.

01:01:19It was no

01:01:19longer a

01:01:20person.

01:01:20She was just

01:01:21going hotel

01:01:21to a hotel,

01:01:22working constantly.

01:01:23the pressure

01:01:27just to make

01:01:27money was

01:01:28just constant

01:01:29and extremely

01:01:32intense.

01:01:33He would

01:01:34threaten to

01:01:34laughing on my

01:01:35clients.

01:01:36He would

01:01:36threaten me

01:01:37physically.

01:01:38He would

01:01:38threaten to

01:01:39put me in

01:01:39prison.

01:01:50Somebody had

01:01:51found this

01:01:52website that

01:01:53was pretty

01:01:54unsettling,

01:01:55and there

01:01:55was a link

01:01:56to this

01:01:56video.

01:01:57Speak

01:01:58audibly,

01:01:58Claudia.

01:01:58I didn't

01:01:59care about

01:01:59other people.

01:02:00Okay,

01:02:01so say

01:02:02again.

01:02:02I wanted

01:02:03to poison

01:02:03you,

01:02:04and I

01:02:04didn't

01:02:04care about

01:02:04other people.

01:02:06In that

01:02:07video,

01:02:07Claudia kind

01:02:08of appears

01:02:08to be on

01:02:09autopilot.

01:02:10Larry Ray

01:02:11would accuse

01:02:11Claudia of

01:02:12things that

01:02:12absolutely made

01:02:13no sense,

01:02:13like poisoning

01:02:14or conspiracies

01:02:15to kill

01:02:16him.

01:02:17And first,

01:02:18are you making

01:02:18this by your

01:02:19own free will?

01:02:20Yes.

01:02:22And if she

01:02:22said anything

01:02:23other than,

01:02:24yes,

01:02:24I did,

01:02:25then Larry

01:02:25would say,

01:02:25but that's

01:02:26not the truth.

01:02:27You have to

01:02:27tell the truth.

01:02:29And these

01:02:29conversations

01:02:29would be

01:02:30recorded.

01:02:31So the truth

01:02:32really meant

01:02:32generating

01:02:33blackmail material.

01:02:35We had poison

01:02:35gene multiple

01:02:36times with

01:02:37vials of

01:02:39poison.

01:02:41At the same

01:02:41time, you were

01:02:42trying to convince

01:02:43me that you were

01:02:43a good person

01:02:44and regretted

01:02:45ever doing this

01:02:46and that you

01:02:46would never do

01:02:47it again.

01:02:47why are we

01:02:50doing that?

01:02:52So I think

01:02:58by the time

01:02:58she admits

01:02:59to all these

01:02:59poisonings,

01:03:00she just wants

01:03:00to get out.

01:03:01She just wants

01:03:02to put distance

01:03:03between her

01:03:03and Larry

01:03:04and get out

01:03:04of the situation

01:03:05as fast as

01:03:05possible.

01:03:06The money

01:03:13from Claudia's

01:03:14clients gets

01:03:15transferred to

01:03:15Isabella, and

01:03:16she becomes a

01:03:17crucial part of

01:03:18Larry's operation.

01:03:20Everyone in a

01:03:21cult to some

01:03:21degree becomes a

01:03:22perpetrator.

01:03:23In Isabella's

01:03:24case, she

01:03:25really became

01:03:26sort of the

01:03:27right-hand person

01:03:28to Larry.

01:03:30She was, in a

01:03:31sense, the

01:03:32bookkeeper for

01:03:33Claudia's

01:03:34prostitution.

01:03:36There were

01:03:36clear accounting

01:03:37ledgers kept

01:03:38that tell us

01:03:39the kind of

01:03:40income that

01:03:41Claudia was

01:03:42producing for

01:03:43Larry.

01:03:43And yet, the

01:03:44amount of money

01:03:44that he says

01:03:46she owes him

01:03:46never seems to

01:03:47go down.

01:03:54You know, she

01:03:55ends up doing

01:03:55this for four

01:03:57years, no

01:04:00holidays, seeing

01:04:02up to five

01:04:03clients a day.

01:04:06and ends up

01:04:07giving him

01:04:07more than

01:04:08two million

01:04:08dollars.

01:04:15She didn't

01:04:17really have

01:04:18anything for

01:04:18herself.

01:04:20She lived in

01:04:22constant fear of

01:04:23Larry punishing

01:04:24her, and it

01:04:26seemed like almost

01:04:27everything she did

01:04:29during that time

01:04:29period was done

01:04:31in order to

01:04:31keep him happy.

01:04:44He was

01:04:45committed to a

01:04:46psychiatric

01:04:46facility, which

01:04:48from his

01:04:49perspective, all

01:04:50that does is

01:04:51reinforce that

01:04:53everyone's out to

01:04:54get me narrative,

01:04:55right?

01:04:55And I'm sure

01:04:56Larry leaned into

01:04:56that.

01:04:57You know, I told

01:04:58you they'd come

01:04:58for you.

01:04:59Like, I don't

01:04:59know, I've been

01:04:59telling you this

01:05:00is going to

01:05:00happen to you.

01:05:01Now it's

01:05:01happened, and

01:05:02you can't trust

01:05:03anyone.

01:05:06He was kind of

01:05:07like the New

01:05:07Jersey City kid,

01:05:09and I was the,

01:05:10you know, they

01:05:10would call me

01:05:11Mountain Goat.

01:05:14And I was

01:05:15always like, no,

01:05:15you've got to

01:05:16come out and

01:05:16experience nature,

01:05:17experience the

01:05:17woods.

01:05:19And my wife and

01:05:20I had been having

01:05:21conversations with

01:05:22them on the phone.

01:05:23We were like, hey,

01:05:23why don't you come

01:05:24move out to Oregon

01:05:24for a bit, see if

01:05:26you can, you know,

01:05:26do something

01:05:26different out here.

01:05:27He seemed, you

01:05:29know, pretty

01:05:29enthusiastic about

01:05:30it and everything,

01:05:30and he got cleared

01:05:32with his medical

01:05:32staff to come out

01:05:33and do it.

01:05:36But we kind of

01:05:37noticed shortly

01:05:38after him getting

01:05:39here, you know,

01:05:40he just seemed

01:05:42like there was

01:05:43no passion for

01:05:44anything, and

01:05:45there was just

01:05:46like nothing that

01:05:46he wanted to do.

01:05:49Oh, I was

01:05:50worried.

01:05:54For everyone

01:06:01who's in a cult,

01:06:02there are always

01:06:03doubts, but of

01:06:04course you can't

01:06:05express them, you

01:06:06can't say anything to

01:06:07anybody, so you put

01:06:08them on this shelf in

01:06:09the back of your head,

01:06:10and when that shelf

01:06:11breaks, you'll realize

01:06:12this is not healthy,

01:06:13there's something not

01:06:14right here.

01:06:15And then you may

01:06:16start to think about

01:06:17leaving.

01:06:17After a while,

01:06:26Daniel just reached

01:06:27a breaking point

01:06:27where he kind of

01:06:28broke through and

01:06:29realized, like, what

01:06:30Larry was sort of

01:06:30presenting as this,

01:06:32you know, enlightenment

01:06:33was just, none of it

01:06:35was real.

01:06:36He was making it up

01:06:36as he was going

01:06:37along.

01:06:38This guy doesn't

01:06:38know what he's

01:06:38talking about, and

01:06:39shortly after that,

01:06:41he left.

01:06:44For Santos, I think

01:06:45he had a really hard

01:06:46time reckoning with

01:06:48the idea that Larry,

01:06:50someone that was

01:06:50there for him,

01:06:51someone that listened

01:06:52to him, someone that

01:06:53like, justified some

01:06:55of his emotions about

01:06:56his family or his

01:06:57parents or his

01:06:57sisters, was actually

01:06:59a really bad person.

01:07:01At a certain point,

01:07:03Santos essentially

01:07:04hits his limit and

01:07:06stops talking to

01:07:08Larry.

01:07:08He feels abused,

01:07:10and he leaves.

01:07:11He sort of gets

01:07:12some low-wage jobs,

01:07:14but he cuts off

01:07:15contact.

01:07:16During the eviction

01:07:28process, it took

01:07:29over three years

01:07:30to gain judgment,

01:07:32and then to get

01:07:33the marshal

01:07:34to take action,

01:07:36it took another

01:07:37few years.

01:07:38It was finally a big

01:07:46relief to get Larry

01:07:48out of my home.

01:07:49You know, by this

01:07:50point, he's mostly

01:07:51living on a day-to-day

01:07:52basis with Isabella

01:07:53and Felicia.

01:07:56They spend some time

01:07:57in hotels, they stay

01:07:59in some Airbnbs, and

01:08:01eventually they land

01:08:02at a house in New

01:08:04Jersey, owned by his

01:08:06friend, Scott

01:08:07Mueller.

01:08:19They were very few

01:08:20spurts that Talia was

01:08:21not in contact every

01:08:22day, but it was

01:08:23practically every day,

01:08:25sometimes multiple

01:08:26times a day,

01:08:26especially with

01:08:27Isabella.

01:08:27Talia clearly comes

01:08:31out as a key player

01:08:33in the con.

01:08:34She bought it to the

01:08:35point that she sold

01:08:36it to other people

01:08:38and continued to

01:08:39believe the lie

01:08:40throughout the history

01:08:42of this case.

01:08:56This is already years

01:08:58into her being a

01:08:59prostitute.

01:08:59She ended up telling

01:09:00one of her clients in

01:09:02a moment of fear, but

01:09:04also, I think, trying to

01:09:06get out of the situation

01:09:06that she was in.

01:09:08Larry realized that

01:09:10something had happened

01:09:11and she responds by

01:09:13showing up to one of

01:09:14her hotel rooms.

01:09:17Larry and Isabella

01:09:18became aware that

01:09:20Claudia had tipped off

01:09:22one of her clients to

01:09:23the fact that they

01:09:24named him on a

01:09:26website, exposing his

01:09:28involvement with

01:09:29Claudia, who was

01:09:30a prostitute.

01:09:32And he responds by

01:09:35showing up to one of

01:09:35her hotel rooms.

01:09:38Larry and Isabella

01:09:39came to Claudia's

01:09:41hotel room and

01:09:43Larry tortured her over

01:09:45the course of a

01:09:46horrific night of

01:09:47abuse.

01:09:49He comes in and

01:09:51immediately starts

01:09:51berating her and

01:09:52hitting her and

01:09:54yelling at her for

01:09:55this simple task of

01:09:56trying to tell somebody

01:09:57what was happening to

01:09:58her.

01:09:59He told me to strip

01:10:01naked.

01:10:01I was physically

01:10:03bound to a chair.

01:10:06I could not leave.

01:10:08The way that

01:10:09Claudia described it,

01:10:10Isabella was in the

01:10:12room.

01:10:13I remember her saying

01:10:14that when Larry was

01:10:14pouring water over me and

01:10:16lowering my body

01:10:17temperature, she at one

01:10:18point was like,

01:10:19Claudia, you're such a

01:10:20faker.

01:10:21This water is room

01:10:22temperature.

01:10:22It's not even cold.

01:10:26Larry repeatedly

01:10:27suffocated Claudia with a

01:10:29plastic bag.

01:10:30It was relentless and it

01:10:32was painful and it was

01:10:33terrifying.

01:10:36He ended up smothering me,

01:10:40choking me to the point of

01:10:41passing out.

01:10:43I was terrified.

01:10:44I was trembling.

01:10:47And it's just beyond

01:10:48cruelty.

01:10:49Destroying this perfectly

01:10:51normal student, force her

01:10:53to become a sex worker and

01:10:55then not only take all the

01:10:57money but torture her in

01:10:58between.

01:10:59At a certain point, they

01:11:01even ordered burgers and

01:11:02fries and, you know, they

01:11:03were eating dinner while she

01:11:05was tied naked to a chair in

01:11:07front of them.

01:11:08And then the torture started

01:11:09all over again.

01:11:10And at the end of it, he

01:11:13finally unbound her from the

01:11:14chair, let her go.

01:11:16She slept for a few hours.

01:11:18Then she woke up and went

01:11:20back to work.

01:11:24And it wasn't very long after

01:11:26that.

01:11:27Claudia showed signs of

01:11:29finally becoming fed up with

01:11:32what she was being put

01:11:33through.

01:11:33And she confided in the same

01:11:37client about what was going

01:11:38on.

01:11:39And he provided her the

01:11:40escape that she desperately

01:11:42needed.

01:11:44He got her a train ticket.

01:11:48And she left the city.

01:11:51She got away.

01:11:53I mean, this is somebody who

01:11:54was giving, in some cases,

01:11:55over $100,000 a month

01:11:56directly to fund Larry and

01:11:59Isabella.

01:12:00They sent her a series of

01:12:03emails and trying to guilt

01:12:05trip and intimidate her into

01:12:08returning.

01:12:09But she didn't.

01:12:12And that's the beginning of

01:12:14the end of this story.

01:12:23I just started reaching out

01:12:24to people and people that knew

01:12:25Claudia really well, her family

01:12:27and friends.

01:12:28And they were like, none of us

01:12:29have talked to her for six

01:12:29years.

01:12:30I pretty soon was put in

01:12:32contact with Daniel Levin.

01:12:34He agreed to talk to me.

01:12:35And that was when it really

01:12:36became clear, like, this was

01:12:38like something really bad and

01:12:40really abusive.

01:12:41I felt like I had to get the

01:12:42story out there to try and get

01:12:44these people some help.

01:12:45So James Walsh and I published

01:12:47the article at the end of

01:12:48April 2019.

01:12:51Almost a decade from the time

01:12:54that Larry first walked into the

01:12:56dorm at Sarah Lawrence, this

01:12:58piece comes out in New York

01:13:00magazine, this unbelievably wild

01:13:02tale.

01:13:03The story came out and we were

01:13:06all in the newsroom and all of us

01:13:07kind of started freaking out

01:13:08because it was a very weird

01:13:10story.

01:13:13And another repercussion of the

01:13:15publication of the article was

01:13:18that Isabella's mother and aunt and

01:13:21Felicia's mother went to New Jersey and

01:13:23they knocked on the door and they

01:13:24essentially tried to rescue their

01:13:27daughters.

01:13:28Larry apparently hid in the back of

01:13:30the house and the daughters

01:13:32refused to come out.

01:13:33You know, even then there was

01:13:34nothing that they could really do.

01:13:36These are still adults.

01:13:42So that New York magazine article

01:13:44thankfully made its way to an FBI

01:13:46supervisor in the New York FBI

01:13:48field office.

01:13:49And that supervisor said, I think we

01:13:52need to look at this.

01:13:53And they proceeded to knock it out of

01:13:54the park, determining how much

01:13:57income Larry Ray had that was from

01:14:00sex trafficking, from depleting the

01:14:04bank accounts of the kids' parents.

01:14:06They acquired cell phone records.

01:14:10Their emails show them being

01:14:13controlled, confessing.

01:14:15Now all kinds of things happening in

01:14:17references to violence, then comes

01:14:20a search warrant of the residents in

01:14:23Piscataway, New Jersey.

01:14:28Early in the morning, Larry is in bed

01:14:32and a team of federal agents and NYPD

01:14:35officers come into the house, place him

01:14:37under arrest and begin interrogating him

01:14:40and going through everything in the house

01:14:44and seizing recordings of thousands of phone

01:14:47calls, videos, several dozen hard drives,

01:14:52several dozen cell phones, laptops,

01:14:54as well as handwritten ledgers and handwritten

01:14:58journals he seized from the students.

01:15:01And it is an agent's dream to have a search where

01:15:06that much documentation of illegality exists.

01:15:11The same documentation used to control and

01:15:15humiliate these kids was the same documentation

01:15:18used in court to absolutely nail Larry Ray.

01:15:24Good morning.

01:15:25I'm Jeff Berman, U.S.

01:15:26Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

01:15:28Today, we announce criminal charges against

01:15:31this man, Lawrence Ray, who for nearly a decade

01:15:35exploited and abused young women and men

01:15:39emotionally, physically, and sexually

01:15:41for his own financial gain.

01:15:45The indictment contained sex trafficking,

01:15:48sex trafficking conspiracy, racketeering conspiracy,

01:15:51extortion, money laundering, a vast set of charges.

01:15:55I heard about Larry being arrested on just a,

01:16:01like a Google News alert.

01:16:03Just popped up and said he was arrested.

01:16:05So I was worried about what Yvonne might do.

01:16:10Just because of his level of devotion towards him,

01:16:13that this looked like in Larry's world,

01:16:15the culmination of everyone's trying to get me,

01:16:18now they got him.

01:16:19And I had no idea, you know,

01:16:21what he had put in his head,

01:16:22what he should do.

01:16:28I went to bed,

01:16:30and then about 10.30, 11 o'clock at night,

01:16:32a, uh, here, you know, knock on the door,

01:16:35and I was Linn County Sheriff's Deputy.

01:16:38He initially asked if I know someone named Iban,

01:16:41because he obviously was not going to pronounce his name.

01:16:43And I was thinking, oh, crap, what did he do?

01:16:47But then he is asking about his tattoos

01:16:50or if he has any identifiable markers.

01:16:54So now I'm like, okay, like, what?

01:16:56What's going on?

01:16:58I think it's the point.

01:16:59It's like, oh, he was found dead.

01:17:05Now, to my knowledge,

01:17:06Yvonne tried to slit his wrists

01:17:08and was unsuccessful

01:17:10and then got up and walked in the traffic

01:17:12and laid down on a highway.

01:17:30And it seemed like Vaughn

01:17:31created, like, a rabbit hole for himself

01:17:33that he couldn't get out of

01:17:35with that paranoia.

01:17:40At the end of the day,

01:17:41I think that it's all on Larry.

01:17:43I think that if it wasn't for him,

01:17:46Yvonne, you know,

01:17:46he might still have mental health struggles,

01:17:48but not to that degree.

01:17:50I absolutely blame Larry 100% for Yvonne's death.

01:18:00Felicia was talking to the government,

01:18:02but she still essentially was on Larry's side.

01:18:05And then at a certain point,

01:18:07she kind of came to a realization

01:18:08and began actually cooperating

01:18:12and turned on Larry.

01:18:14Santos, he was played videos

01:18:16of what Larry had done to him.

01:18:18And then he just realized, like,

01:18:20I'm being abused.

01:18:21And he began cooperating as well.

01:18:23So Felicia, Santos,

01:18:25Yalitza, Claudia, and Dan,

01:18:27they all handed over documents

01:18:30and spent innumerable hours

01:18:31talking to the government.

01:18:32Isabella was initially described as a victim.

01:18:38The government was hoping

01:18:40that she would also flip,

01:18:42probably expecting that she would,

01:18:44and she didn't.

01:18:44Headlines for you,

01:18:55this out of New York,

01:18:57a dad accused of running a sex cult

01:18:59from his daughter's dorm room.

01:19:01Remember this?

01:19:02He's still in court in the next half hour.

01:19:04Ray's charged with nine counts,

01:19:05including extortion, money laundering,

01:19:07and sex trafficking.

01:19:08The prosecutor called Ray

01:19:10a flight risk

01:19:10and a danger to the community.

01:19:12The government described

01:19:14Talia and Gordon Ray,

01:19:16Larry's stepfather,

01:19:18as co-conspirators,

01:19:19but neither have been charged.

01:19:22Talia is the ultimate true believer

01:19:23because not only has she

01:19:26continued to stick by her father,

01:19:29her father is a blood relative.

01:19:31And I think that may have figured

01:19:34into the prosecutive decisions here.

01:19:36The idea of charging a daughter

01:19:38for believing her father's lies,

01:19:41going back all the way to childhood,

01:19:44it could be too much for a jury,

01:19:48just distracting from the case at hand.

01:19:51Larry appears to have essentially

01:19:53insulated his immediate family

01:19:56from the most incriminating parts

01:19:59of what he was doing.

01:20:01He had Isabella recording information

01:20:04about the money coming from Claudia,

01:20:05which makes her a direct accessory.

01:20:07Where there's a trial

01:20:24and people have to get up on the stand

01:20:26and talk about what they experienced,

01:20:29what they saw,

01:20:30what happened to them,

01:20:31I can't think of anything

01:20:32that could be harder, really.

01:20:37First of all,

01:20:43you have to sit there

01:20:45in front of your abuser.

01:20:46You probably haven't seen that person

01:20:48in perhaps years.

01:20:51To have that person looking at you,

01:20:53trying to shut you up with their eyes.

01:20:57They deserve awards

01:20:58because they're helping

01:21:00bring these people down.

01:21:02Larry Ray's trial was a jury trial.

01:21:05So you've got to convince

01:21:07a group of citizens

01:21:08beyond a reasonable doubt

01:21:10that these cult members

01:21:12were truly against their will,

01:21:14unable to consent

01:21:16to what was done to them.

01:21:19Larry recorded everything

01:21:22and we got to watch it.

01:21:24And it was really hard to watch

01:21:26because Larry's physically beating them.

01:21:29The more I heard,

01:21:30the more I realized

01:21:32that Larry Ray was far more

01:21:36of a demon

01:21:37than anyone ever imagined.

01:21:41I think the problem for the defense

01:21:43was no matter how you spin this,

01:21:46you're facing incredibly damaging videos

01:21:49of your client

01:21:50physically harming people.

01:21:52The witnesses were remarkably composed

01:22:01considering what they had gone through

01:22:03and the nature

01:22:05of what they were describing

01:22:06for the jury.

01:22:07The torture,

01:22:08the humiliation,

01:22:09the shame.

01:22:10So imagine

01:22:10we're this incredibly vulnerable person

01:22:13who was part of this

01:22:14and having to talk about

01:22:16what happened

01:22:17and what was done to you

01:22:18and to say that publicly,

01:22:20that's hard.

01:22:23That's tough.

01:22:24Claudia really had

01:22:25a pretty high burden

01:22:27because she was

01:22:28a sex trafficking victim.

01:22:30So it was not easy,

01:22:31I'm sure,

01:22:32for her to sit there

01:22:33and recount

01:22:34in laborious detail

01:22:36all of the things

01:22:37that had happened to her.

01:22:38All of a sudden,

01:22:39as Claudia is describing

01:22:41being a forced prostitute,

01:22:43one of Larry's lawyers

01:22:43stands up

01:22:44and asks for a break

01:22:45and usually during testimony

01:22:47that doesn't really happen.

01:22:50He seems to go through

01:22:52some kind of seizure

01:22:53in the courtroom

01:22:55right there

01:22:55and he has to be

01:22:59carried out of the courthouse

01:23:00on a stretcher.

01:23:02And he's making, like,

01:23:03eye contact with people.

01:23:04Like, he's trying to, like,

01:23:05see who's there,

01:23:06how many people are around him

01:23:07as he gets pulled

01:23:08into the ambulance.

01:23:11In the witness room,

01:23:12you can audibly hear

01:23:13Claudia crying

01:23:14as we're all walking out

01:23:15trying to figure out

01:23:15what's happening.

01:23:17And I said,

01:23:20I know him.

01:23:21I know exactly

01:23:22what he's doing.

01:23:24He's trying to influence

01:23:25the jury.

01:23:26He's trying to create

01:23:27this self-pity thing.

01:23:30I said,

01:23:30he's doing it on purpose.

01:23:38As with anything

01:23:43related to Larry,

01:23:45you have to expect

01:23:46some kind of curveball.

01:23:47I mean,

01:23:47is he going to be able

01:23:48to, like,

01:23:48somehow at the last minute,

01:23:50like,

01:23:51prolong this

01:23:52so that the victims

01:23:53no longer want to testify

01:23:54or they're unsettled?

01:23:55And what happens?

01:23:57You know,

01:23:57it didn't end up working.

01:23:58There were two seizures

01:23:59in the north anymore.

01:24:00in all,

01:24:13the jury only deliberated

01:24:14for four hours,

01:24:15which,

01:24:16for a trial that lasted a month

01:24:18and for as many counts

01:24:19as he was accused of,

01:24:21kind of speaks to

01:24:21where the jury was

01:24:22before they even got

01:24:23to the verdict room.

01:24:24It didn't take the jury

01:24:26very long

01:24:27to come back

01:24:27with a unanimous verdict

01:24:29that Larry was guilty

01:24:30on all counts.

01:24:32They knew it was coming.

01:24:34The court testimony

01:24:35was overwhelming.

01:24:37I knew he would be convicted.

01:24:40There is justice

01:24:41for the victims.

01:24:42They wanted Larry

01:24:43to get arrested

01:24:44and indicted

01:24:45and convicted,

01:24:46and I think it was

01:24:47really powerful for them.

01:24:49They could now

01:24:50resume their lives.

01:24:51And they say justice

01:24:53has been served

01:24:54for him.

01:24:58There's nothing

01:24:59harsh enough

01:25:00that could happen to him

01:25:02based on what he did

01:25:03to those kids.

01:25:05There certainly have been

01:25:06other evil cult leaders,

01:25:08but the extent

01:25:09of what he did

01:25:10and the amount of time

01:25:11he was allowed to do it

01:25:12with such concentration

01:25:14and precision,

01:25:15that was almost beyond

01:25:18anything I've heard of.

01:25:20I don't think there's

01:25:21an ounce of regret.

01:25:24He just destroyed

01:25:25people's lives.

01:25:27He loved feeling powerful,

01:25:30and I almost call him

01:25:31a power addict.

01:25:32The way that you can judge

01:25:34other people

01:25:34is how they treat

01:25:35other humans.

01:25:36Just a horrific individual.

01:25:42There's this inevitable question

01:25:44of why nothing was done

01:25:47of why nothing was done

01:25:47earlier.

01:25:49The guilt that must be felt

01:25:51not only by Sarah Lawrence

01:25:52administrators,

01:25:53but the guilt of

01:25:54the victim's parents

01:25:56must be painful.

01:25:58I have no trouble

01:25:59blaming Sarah Lawrence

01:26:01for letting somebody

01:26:02move into the dorm.

01:26:03What was Sarah Lawrence

01:26:04to do?

01:26:06They could have made sure

01:26:06he got out of the dorm,

01:26:08but I'm not sure

01:26:08had they gotten him

01:26:10out of the dorm sooner,

01:26:11anything would have been different.

01:26:11The really troublesome stuff

01:26:14happens later

01:26:15at the apartment

01:26:16on the Upper East Side.

01:26:19Larry Ray was

01:26:20one of the most skilled

01:26:22con artists I've seen

01:26:23in 25 years.

01:26:25There may not have been

01:26:26much more

01:26:26that you could have done.

01:26:28I think the biggest question

01:26:30about this case

01:26:30is why Larry Ray

01:26:33did what he did.

01:26:34In terms of

01:26:35what drove him,

01:26:37I don't know

01:26:37if it's as simple

01:26:39as he wanted money

01:26:41and sex,

01:26:42although I think

01:26:42he certainly did.

01:26:44He was like somebody

01:26:45who, for decades,

01:26:47was able to carve out

01:26:48a space for himself

01:26:50outside of the typical rules

01:26:51where he could exploit

01:26:53people's vulnerabilities.

01:26:55And it was

01:26:56these exact same tools

01:26:58which eventually

01:26:59led to his downfall

01:27:00because he

01:27:00recorded his own crimes.

01:27:03Part of his defense

01:27:05was that

01:27:05he really believed

01:27:06the conspiracy

01:27:07and that these kids

01:27:08were bad actors

01:27:09working for Bernie Kerik.

01:27:11Whether he believed it

01:27:13or not,

01:27:14it's hard to say

01:27:15why he would ever

01:27:17and how he could

01:27:18torture

01:27:20these young people

01:27:21so extensively

01:27:22in the ways

01:27:23that he did.

01:27:24that he could

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