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00:00As a gimmick, as something that surprises everyone, oh my God, it sounds so much like, you know, Kishorda's voice.
00:06There is a sensationalism that is right, but if you were talking about something 20 years ago, now 20 years later, I will talk about something else.
00:19If you are still alive, maybe 10 years later, I will talk about something else.
00:23Kishorda, you have the data that is from the 60s, 70s, and you have created his AI accordingly.
00:31If he had to approach the same song today, he would have sung it very differently.
00:35So it's not right to, especially, and of course it's coming from a very fanboy space like that.
00:41Of course, which is why you like the Sayara reprise.
00:43Yeah, you can't do that because they have their songs.
00:47For music to stay where, you know, it was, you need to have more melody, more soul.
00:56It's just lost its soul. There's so much overproduction that, you see, in the old days, it wasn't like that.
01:03Melody was more important. And that's why you can't forget these songs.
01:07In fact, today, if you stick to your genre of music, there's a better chance that you go...
01:11Yeah, because you'll stay unique, right?
01:12If you want to spread all over, they don't know your identity, then it's a problem.
01:16The scope for playback is not really that much anymore.
01:20I think they're just catering to the audiences.
01:22The audiences want to see a pretty face, sing a nice song.
01:25And I guess, but I think it's breaking now.
01:29The audiences have matured.
01:31They're actually going for, you know, artists who are actually performing there.
01:35And live, live is the biggest thing now, so...
01:39Today, if you look at the charts, then non-film and film are almost at 50-50.
01:43Yeah.
01:44Yeah.
01:45If not more.
01:46Yeah.
01:47And today, with the medium that you're listening to music on, you know, some of the regional, like...
01:52I hope I can tell you...
01:53Absolutely.
01:54Yes.
01:55What they do gets bigger traction.
01:56Gojpuri songs are getting more traction...
01:58...than Hindi songs.
02:00Hello everybody, I'm Rudrani and welcome to Zoom Speak Easy.
02:08My guests today are so talented.
02:10They're all here to celebrate another legendary singer whose songs we love and obviously venerate.
02:17I'm talking about the wonderful Kishore Kumar and the wonderful singers here in front of me.
02:21Who you all love so much.
02:23Thank you for doing this, all of you.
02:24But like I said, we're here to celebrate...
02:27...Kishore Daa jaysayek singer.
02:29And I think hunki celebration jitna bhi ki jayena kam hai.
02:32Because his contribution is that much.
02:34The first question is almost the same for you.
02:37You have observed, astutely worked on his songs.
02:42You have understood their songs.
02:44I have to know in today's generation and in any other generation.
02:47Kishore Daa, what did you learn yourself?
02:50And what do you think you should learn from this generation?
02:53This is a common question for anybody who wants to start first.
02:56Sir, Sir.
02:58We've learned a lot.
03:00And we've also connected to his songs with some music.
03:05And for me, I was very lucky to actually see him record a song.
03:09My father being a composer, I had that wonderful blessing for us.
03:14And as we were saying that his voice was a fluidity,
03:21I didn't think that I was singing a singer.
03:25I was performing a song.
03:26I was performing a song.
03:27The character of the song is a song.
03:28So that's the thought.
03:30If we apply that song even today.
03:32That when we sing a song,
03:34It's not that I can reach my song,
03:36I can reach my personality,
03:38I can reach my song.
03:39It's a song.
03:40And it will reach that song,
03:42If you're being a leader of the song,
03:45If I'm singing it,
03:47I will do it from my own way.
03:50But they never do it like that.
03:52Some people always ask that their voice is bass or baritone,
03:54But how many songs have been that?
03:57Like,
03:58Chukar,
03:59Mere Mung Koo,
04:00Kia Tu Nii,
04:01They've sung very softly.
04:02Because that was a requirement.
04:03So,
04:04What was the thought that they would live to a song,
04:08Not only sing a song,
04:09If it was a song,
04:11If it was a song,
04:12If it was a song,
04:13If it was a song,
04:15If it was a song,
04:16If it was a song,
04:17If it was a song,
04:18Even a single medium of communication.
04:20So,
04:21That's
04:22A job done.
04:23And that's what he brought to the table.
04:25I love the way you put it.
04:26Which is why I think he's called,
04:27As an all-rounder.
04:29Oh yes.
04:31No one can beat his versatility.
04:35True, not just as a singer but also as a composer, a successful actor.
04:39He was very multi-talented.
04:41I was fortunate enough to have sung a duet with him.
04:45It was an experience.
04:47A moment in time for me.
04:50I was watching that he was so effortless.
04:53He was performing the song and which inspired me to do the same.
04:59It's also kind of fun right now, right?
05:01When you're thinking this is very interesting because you get to sing with him.
05:07Like you're saying it.
05:08It would have been an impossible dream now because he's not there.
05:14That's why I think it's beautiful.
05:17It's beautiful that we get to do this and to relive the kind of magic in our own ways.
05:22And he's beyond icon.
05:24He's more than timeless.
05:27I think the thing to learn from him is to be original and take risks.
05:34Because none of his predecessors sung anywhere close to the kind of singing that he was doing.
05:41So, actually he is the epitome of playback singing in the country actually.
05:48Because what is playback?
05:50Kishore Kumar is playback.
05:51Because when you shut your eyes, you actually can figure out when Kishore Kumar is singing for a particular actor like Rajesh Kanna or Devanand or Amitabh Bachal for that matter.
06:01And all those kind of nuances and all those things that he did were things that were never done before.
06:08So, he was never insecure.
06:10So, I think that's something we all need to learn as artists to just keep breaking norms and doing things and not be very worried about what the result would be.
06:19Because when you're doing something new, it always gets accepted.
06:22He kind of owns the song.
06:24Sure.
06:25Which is amazing.
06:26I really think that every song comes with what you're expected to do on it.
06:32Like it innately comes with that instruction manual.
06:35Sure.
06:36You just have to look into it to get that out.
06:39And when I listen to Kishore Kumar's voice on the various songs that he sung, there's no display of versatility.
06:46True.
06:47There is no need to, oh, I can do this and I can do that.
06:51No, it's just what the song demanded.
06:53Sure.
06:54And he just got into it.
06:55And that effortlessness, which is a word that should be against his name like a byline.
07:01Sure.
07:02You know, is…
07:03Matching.
07:04It's just, he's just, he knows…
07:06The ease that he…
07:07The ease.
07:08There's just being.
07:09There's being, right?
07:10True.
07:11There's no trying.
07:12It's just being.
07:13What is your question?
07:14Look, I've been taught a lot of things.
07:18I've been taught about every song.
07:19I'm speaking a lot of things.
07:21And for the singer of the singer, there's only a singer to be a performer.
07:27And to be a performer.
07:28To perform the song.
07:29To live the song.
07:31To live the song.
07:32What do you ask for that song?
07:35What do you want to do?
07:36The words of the song, the words of the song, they tell you that it is.
07:39So the song is still alive.
07:40So these are very important things.
07:42I got to learn from them.
07:43And as soon as you listen to them, you will learn more.
07:48I saw you in the first episode of Universal Music India.
07:54It was very good when they told me that you have a taste of the song.
08:00You have a taste of the song.
08:02But you are singing the song of Sajir's song, the song of Sajir's song.
08:05That was so interesting to kind of point that out.
08:07And what it also highlights is
08:11you give two different styles of music
08:15how beautiful you are.
08:17Which is your episode for me.
08:19How beautiful you are in your head
08:22how beautiful you are
08:24and how beautiful you are
08:26and of course credit to you as well.
08:28How beautiful you are in your voice.
08:34Look, in our Pakistan
08:36there is no water of the song
08:38but the song of Sajir's song.
08:40The song of Sajir's song.
08:42The song of Sajir's song is the song of Sajir's song.
08:47And definitely
08:51I think that was a very big thing.
08:53When I sang the song
08:57they told me
08:58that you have seen your own experience
09:01that you have seen them.
09:03The song is their song
09:04but you have seen them from their own.
09:06And we sang it with all of them
09:08and we enjoyed it.
09:10And I think that was a great thing.
09:12And with that,
09:14when they were singing along the way
09:16they were singing along the way.
09:18It's surreal for most of the singers of today
09:22who have actually sung with him
09:25his song, his voice
09:27on the cans
09:28and you are like eating with him.
09:30Yeah.
09:31You are stuck on that earlier question
09:33of what one can learn in today's generation.
09:37Not just as a singer
09:38but if you look at statistics
09:40his first song
09:41he got to sing for another actor
09:42was in Ziddi 1949.
09:44He got his claim to fame in 1969
09:47for a song he sang in Aradhana.
09:49After that there was no looking back.
09:52But it's 20 years.
09:54A man with that talent
09:56that capability
09:58that kind of
09:59I mean
10:00he was beyond anything.
10:02And he waited 20 years to get his
10:04So patience
10:05that my time will come
10:06and when it comes
10:07I will rule forever.
10:08Very well said.
10:09And ever.
10:10So that's something
10:11that the youngsters can also take.
10:12we lose patience.
10:132-3 months
10:14it's been done
10:154 years
10:16it's been done
10:17and we have to hang it there.
10:19They were saying
10:20that the thing was singing
10:21acting was doing
10:22but they were saying
10:23that acting was
10:24duty
10:25and singing
10:26is true.
10:27But he was
10:28killing time for 20 years.
10:29So he was busy.
10:30He was busy doing something.
10:31In fact
10:32Rafi sahab was doing playback
10:33for Kishorda
10:34when he was acting.
10:35Correct.
10:36Very interesting
10:37you said this
10:38because
10:39my other question
10:40was going in that direction.
10:41where is
10:42playback singing today?
10:43Kishorda has always appreciated
10:44for being one of the best
10:45playback singers
10:46because
10:47they say
10:48he understood the actor's
10:49need
10:50or the situation
10:51so well
10:52which is why
10:53people connected
10:54so well
10:55and it became
10:56but
10:57you know
10:58question for both of you
10:59that you also said
11:00that you felt
11:01you have taken a long long break.
11:02You have waited patiently
11:03but you said
11:04you know what
11:05I will do my own thing.
11:06I don't want to be tied to a label.
11:07I don't want to be crucified
11:08at the expense of something
11:09that I can't do.
11:10I think it takes courage to say that.
11:11And you stuck.
11:12And also you wanted to do what you wanted to do.
11:13Yes.
11:14Not following a trend.
11:15No.
11:16And then playback.
11:17You said
11:18you know
11:19I think
11:20I can't do it anymore.
11:21I think I would like you to tell me
11:22why you said that.
11:23And I know that it's an important conversation.
11:24Well I just felt that
11:41well I just felt that you know
11:44the singer is the star of the song.
11:46That's what I feel.
11:48Sure.
11:49And she has to make it her own
11:51give it that identity and everything and I've done it.
11:53And I've done it, you know, in the past before, been there, done that kind of thing.
11:56And I just felt that it's going nowhere for me, personally.
12:01I just didn't like the fact that my voice was with some beautiful actress.
12:07I felt that it would be better if I was there, even no matter how I look, that the artist should perform it.
12:15You know, and that is very important.
12:16But nowadays, people are doing that.
12:19You know, the whole lip sync thing.
12:22Which is the phenomenon only in India.
12:25Which is why I did a little look at Shambi.
12:26Like, yeah, she just did a side eye.
12:28Today's artist, she has been one of those rare singers who, I mean, I'll let her speak only.
12:35I don't know what I should, but I should or not.
12:37Please, I would love to hear what you have to say.
12:39You've got, yeah, you've got her predecessor right here sitting with you, you know, where you're idol, who actually did that, Alisha, this one.
12:48But along with that,
12:48we, after getting all her films, it's also decided that, no, I want to sing my own music.
12:53So, I think they both are, it's a wonderful coincidence that we both have them here.
12:57That we're sitting here.
12:58Yeah, alongside, she actually did this way, way back when it was even more tougher.
13:02Actually, Alisha has been a pioneer of the indie pop movement, actually.
13:06Of course, she's the queen.
13:07She sang, she sang, she sang.
13:10And she was the first, you know, I mean, and imagine at a time when film music was at its peak, you know, and non-film was considered to be just like a small little tiny piece.
13:18She actually created that whole wave, and then a lot of other singers wrote on that.
13:23And then to take a stand is what I'm thinking is courageous at the point, because I think you must have been isolated, you must have felt alone.
13:31Wait, I went into an exile myself.
13:33Of course.
13:33So, I was like, no, this is not what I want to do.
13:36But, yeah, there were, you know, occasional songs, like when Ahsan called me up for Kajrari.
13:43I was sleeping at home in Ali Bagh, and he said, get here, you know.
13:48I was like, no, can we do it another day?
13:50He was like, no, it can't wait.
13:53But listen, I just want to say, Vishal and Shekhar and yours, Tinka Tinka is one of my favorite tracks.
13:58That is really, really, that was magical for me.
14:02Oh, my God, that is ethereal.
14:05Please sing more, but of course at your terms.
14:07No, no, it's fine.
14:09At your terms.
14:10No, no, absolutely.
14:11You know, I always thought, Shan, if you could chip in your opinions, because I know you've also pointed this out.
14:18That in a while, in a while, in a while, in a while, when you're singing, that what's happening, is what's happening, is what's happening.
14:23And you also have felt that it's getting lost somewhere.
14:26You know, I could hear your opinions on that side as well.
14:29I'd like you to elaborate on that as well.
14:31No, see, at the time when we were in the, through the 90s also, songs were always lip-sync songs.
14:37The hero, the actress, would actually lip-sync the song on screen.
14:40However ridiculous it may seem.
14:42Okay, look, kaha gana gara hai, kya tar rah hai, why are they doing this?
14:45But then, of course, with modern cinema, which makes sense, you want to be more realistic, songs became more of a background.
14:50Now, a few film directors, producers still understood that, no, you know, lip-sync songs have that magic and they bring people to the theatres.
14:59And so, you know, some stuck, but a lot, 80% of the songs that you sing today are background songs.
15:06Automatically, say, even the songs that got popular for me till 2010, 2012, if they were background songs, they probably would have not been as popular.
15:13Today, if you look at the graph, in a year, if you have, say, even 60 films of which, you know, there are at least 100, 200 songs that are being released, you get two or three popular songs.
15:27Strangely, those will be songs that are actually lip-sync songs, even if it's an item song or a, you know, I mean, whatever, I'm just saying that the whole, the scope for playback is not really that much anymore.
15:41I think they're just catering to the audiences.
15:44The audiences want to see a pretty face, sing a nice song, and I guess, but I think it's breaking now.
15:51The audiences have matured, they're actually going for, you know, artists who are actually performing there.
15:57And live, live is the biggest thing now, so.
16:01Today, if you look at the charts, then non-film and film are almost at 50-50.
16:05At bar, yeah.
16:06Yeah, if not more.
16:07Yeah.
16:07And today, with the medium that you're listening to music on, you know, some of the regional, like, I hope I can tell you, what they do gets bigger traction.
16:18Bhojpuri songs are getting more traction than Hindi songs.
16:22And Kishorda, sing for your father in very less money, some Bhojpuri songs as well.
16:25Yes, yes, yes.
16:26That was a real good story.
16:27Yes, he came and sang two songs.
16:30He called up my dad.
16:31And he charged very, very minimum.
16:33He charged, yeah.
16:34So that whole thing about him, this is when he would, this is Mahbub's studio.
16:38Yeah, he's, he's, he's got his 50,000 per song.
16:41Really?
16:41Yeah.
16:42Which we still try to get better than.
16:44By the way, this is the studio where he sang his last song, for Papi Lahiri, on 12th October, 1987, one day before he passed away.
16:52The song was called Raja, Raja.
16:54I recorded Kate Nahi Katte and Mahbub.
16:58Yeah, that was the film.
17:00Yeah.
17:00So, yeah, so, yeah, he did, he did, in fact, you know, this new jingle I've done, it's just his original voice on it.
17:09So I had to do it in 11 languages and to get that through, then I gave up.
17:14So, did anyone want that?
17:15And anyway, so a lot of him is, is around us right now.
17:18And yes, he sang that, it was a Bhujpuri song, in the whole studio earlier, and a Bengali song, which was also recorded here, which I, yeah, we're in the same place.
17:28Yeah, in the temple of music.
17:30How lovely, isn't it?
17:32You're bombed, huh?
17:32Yeah, yes, I am.
17:34But I'm going to come back to you because it's a very important subject, which I have to give you a very important subject.
17:37But I, you know, I've talked about the regional, and I think, Mahmoud, you've, like you said, you've also made that fanbase, you've also made your uniqueness.
17:48I have to know that it's tough for you, because of course, when you're popular, you always get to the mainstream cinema, you've always got to the collaboration.
17:57You always get to the mainstream cinema, you always get to the collaboration.
17:58You always get to the collaboration where you come from, and you'll get to the line where you come from, but where do you collaborate?
18:03Because you have to collaborate with a trend, and you have to understand your importance, and I want to answer that.
18:12Yeah.
18:13Look, we have the training today, but we don't believe in that.
18:23Because the trend is coming for a month, two months, three months.
18:28But the people who are learning, who are doing it, who are doing it for years.
18:33And the people who are learning it, who are learning it from years and will come to years.
18:37We believe in this. And our roots, our roots, we don't forget.
18:43That is our folk music.
18:46Like you said, you can use for Bollywood or a film.
18:54So definitely, I will, like when I was in Bavare.
18:58But still, I remember that I left my folk music.
19:05So, I didn't know that I was playing for Bollywood or a play-back.
19:11So, I said, no.
19:13I have my knowledge of folk music.
19:17It's a cleaver.
19:18Yes, of course.
19:19And today, I have made two or three songs.
19:23You can see it.
19:25So, I have left my heart.
19:27The touch of folk music, the roots.
19:30I have made it.
19:32So, if I go to live or go to the studio, I will add that.
19:36That's true.
19:37I think that today, folk music is very easy to make trendy.
19:41Yes.
19:42It's about production.
19:43You can add the beats.
19:44But it's a folk song.
19:45In 2018, I have made it.
19:46It's a folk song.
19:47It's a folk song.
19:48But it's the biggest trending song.
19:49It's very easy to merge.
19:50It's about production.
19:51You can add the beats.
19:53You can add the beats.
19:54You can add the beats.
19:55It's a folk song.
19:56It's a folk song.
19:57But it's the biggest trending song.
19:58Yeah.
19:59It's very easy to merge.
20:00It's about production.
20:01You can add the beats.
20:02You can add the beats.
20:03You can add the beats.
20:04It's different.
20:05It's different.
20:06No, but actually folk music.
20:07Actually, folk music is from people.
20:09Yes.
20:10If you add the vocals.
20:11If you add the traditional music.
20:13If you add the trendy music.
20:14You can add the young stars.
20:16You can dance on it.
20:17Enjoy it.
20:18Actually, Mame is not regional or pan-India.
20:21He's global actually.
20:22He's actually put folk music of Rajasthan on the global map.
20:26100%.
20:27No, no.
20:28100%.
20:29I think that's the thing.
20:30Even Bhojpuri is global in the trade.
20:32Yeah.
20:33Every swarm is global.
20:34I'm just saying for reference.
20:36Because once it goes in the charts today.
20:38From Spotify to everything.
20:39It is being considered and competing with the global songs that's there.
20:44So absolutely.
20:45In fact, today if you stick to your genre of music.
20:48There's a better chance that you go.
20:49Yeah.
20:50Because you'll stay unique, right?
20:51Yeah.
20:52If you want to spread all over.
20:53They don't know your identity.
20:54Then it's a problem.
20:55Very interesting you said that.
20:56Because you had an important role.
20:59And that is being discussed everywhere as well.
21:01The usage of AI.
21:02Right?
21:03In songs.
21:04You had a great concert giving a fantastic tribute to Kishota and Sang.
21:10This is again, you know, the universe has taken the pains to create a show.
21:14That still keeps the soul of Kishore Kumar alive.
21:17Right?
21:18Along with the versions that we are doing.
21:21But, you know, in the Sayara track, everybody started using AI to say that, oh no, if Kishore
21:27Kumar would have sung this track.
21:29And it got massive traction.
21:32I know you have an opinion on this.
21:34And I think it's important because, aaj, AI ka usage, kaha tak sahi hai is being discussed.
21:40Because this is also in films.
21:42Like, where is it beneficial?
21:45But where can it go wrong?
21:47You know, as a gimmick, as something that surprises everyone, oh my god, it sounds so much like, you know, Kishorda's voice.
21:55That is a sensationalism to say.
21:59But if you, like, if I was talking about something for 20 years ago, now I will talk about something else.
22:08If you are still alive, then I will talk about something else.
22:12So, Kishorda, you have the data that is from the 60s, 70s, and you have created his AI accordingly.
22:19If he had to approach the same song today, he would have sung it very differently.
22:24So, it's not right to, especially, and of course, it's coming from a very fanboy space like that.
22:29Of course, which is why you didn't like the Sayara reprise.
22:32Yeah, you can't do that.
22:34Because you can listen to his songs and enjoy his songs, which he sang at that time, as a very modern song of 1973.
22:43Which now looks like some, you know, vintage thing.
22:45But that was the latest song that he had sung.
22:48So, you can listen to his songs and say, if you sing this song, you sing this song.
22:53Yeah, because Kishorda was always reinventing his style, youthful, decades.
22:58So, to put him in a box and say, oh, this is, you know, him.
23:02Listen to his own songs and let the new boys who are singing now, let them sing.
23:06Yeah.
23:07And let them make their own.
23:08Yeah.
23:09I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I have a mistake.
23:10I have a hit that came.
23:11And that hit was hit.
23:12And that hit was hit.
23:13And that hit was hit.
23:14And that hit was hit.
23:15And that hit was hit.
23:16And that hit was hit.
23:17Not fair to him.
23:18That's true.
23:19But I'd like to end it by asking you this question.
23:22It's a common question for everybody.
23:24I'm a big artist.
23:25So, this question is very important for me.
23:28Do you guys have a part of the Indian music industry?
23:31If we change it a little bit, if we do a little bit, if we do a little bit, if we do a little bit,
23:37if we do a little bit, if we do a little bit, if we do a little bit, where can we go from?
23:40So, my question is personally from you.
23:43Starting with Shah.
23:45It's very subjective.
23:46Music actually.
23:47Which is why I said.
23:48We want whatever we do, it's a supply and demand situation.
23:51Yes.
23:52And the music companies, the decision makers, they have a business perspective.
23:59Yes, save the art and save the music.
24:02But what is happening, they will encourage them.
24:08So, it's very difficult.
24:10I can say, you know, a movement, which is music for the artists, by the artists, through the artists.
24:20But I'm very confident that the numbers won't be as big.
24:25But it's something that we are doing because we are enjoying doing it.
24:28So, Shahan, what should change for you?
24:30Let's say it's subjective.
24:31I can't change.
24:32Change is the only common.
24:33So, I wouldn't want any change.
24:34Suggestion that you think as an artist?
24:36What do you suggest?
24:37Because it's not science, it's not health, it's not sport.
24:41There are no rules to this thing.
24:43So, what can you say?
24:44Okay.
24:45Change.
24:46The change I would like to see is in education.
24:51Okay.
24:52You should have a subject for creative arts, for performing arts in school.
24:55Okay.
24:56If not, become the singer or the dancer or the actor.
25:00Have an overview on how one should appreciate this art form.
25:05So, if as a child you grow up to understand that these are the nuances.
25:09Singers say this, music say this.
25:11When you grow up, you will have your own opinion.
25:13Better taste.
25:14You will be able to have better taste.
25:15Otherwise, you know, you're listening to stuff that is sonically harmful.
25:18Mentally harmful.
25:20It is causing depression and it is causing more harm to the consumer than the supplier.
25:28But, that can only be explained when someone is giving you that education.
25:33And that's very important.
25:34When you grow up.
25:35That again I am saying is objective now.
25:38That's also again.
25:39How do you…
25:40How do you…
25:41How do you define samaj?
25:42How do you define samaj?
25:43How do you define samaj?
25:44How do you define samaj?
25:45How do you define samaj?
25:46How do you define samaj?
25:47The basic music appreciation is what is the foundation of the language.
25:48Yes.
25:49Fair.
25:50Fair.
25:51I think that you know, for music to stay where, you know, it was.
25:54Yeah.
25:55you need to have more melody more soul it's it's just lost its soul there's so much overproduction
26:02that you see in the old days it it wasn't like that melody was more important and that's why
26:08you can't forget these songs but in the west it's come around it's come around in a big way actually
26:15so benson bone has into some of these new artists they're creating such beautiful melodies and
26:20lyrical you need substance you need good artists you know good music essentially so i think it's a
26:26subtle it will come back anything else man what about you samaji i think overall in the entertainment
26:33industry if there's one thing we can change or we should change is that the people who are taking
26:38the decisions should not be extremely data-driven and research-based so true because we are the
26:44music makers and we are the dreamers of fair play because we are not here to actually we are not
26:52here to follow trends we are here to create trends actually so every time you're data-driven or
26:57research-based it'll stop you from creating a trend so i think you should just keep doing things and keep
27:04experimenting with newer things more fair play in the industry is a very good point what about you ma'am
27:09we have to encourage ticket buying behavior that's that's actually that's stop asking for passes
27:29i mean i i would love to say that once on a weekend instead of instead of watching a film
27:36buy a ticket to watch an artist play live free pass pay to play you want to listen to something
27:44you you love subscribe subscribe you love an artist they are performing live
27:54pay for the music yeah don't be support independent artists now that that's the only way
27:59their family can exist because otherwise i mean don't take pride in saying free entry
28:06why pay those 450 500 bucks that you pay to go to a cinema hall and watch a film come watch an
28:12artist perform live this is shalmali is sort of called to all the audiences who are here for
28:17good music he support us to pay good music yeah i agree i agree with this totally actually
28:21that's why you know you will get one call you know you are playing
28:30You are playing?
28:31Yeah.
28:32False show.
28:33Yeah.
28:34Classroom, I don't want to keep my own.
28:36What do you want to keep?
28:37What do you want to keep?
28:39What do you want to keep?
28:40Actually, the challenge is definitely what Shaan Bhai has said.
28:44You know, it's a lot of understanding of Sangeet.
28:48The first thing is education.
28:50Actually, from which I have come to, there is a lot of education.
28:54I mean, our music is all our tradition.
28:57So, education is a lot of important things.
29:01It's a lot of understanding of Sangeet.
29:03And in the rest of the Sangeet,
29:06there is no change in music.
29:09Music is a feeling.
29:12Yes, it's a feeling.
29:13It's a feeling.
29:14It's a feeling.
29:16Unlimited.
29:18It's a limit.
29:22Thank you so much.
29:24It's been such a wonderful conversation.
29:26You guys are with us.
29:27You are busy.
29:28It's busy.
29:29It's because they do live shows too.
29:30Music is great.
29:31And like she said,
29:32you must go and buy tickets for sure.
29:35Thank you once again for celebrating a true artist
29:39and celebration by true artists themselves.
29:48You look good.
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