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01:36I had to see this film from another lens, from the lens of a Muslim.
01:42Khiunki, let's first put that aside.
01:45I think ye film generally aap generalize bhi kar sakte hai.
01:48Ye kisi bhi community aur kisi bhi generation ke loog isse connect kar payenge.
01:53But I think it was very important because the landmark case at that time, in 1985, had two people from this community.
02:01Toh mujhe sir dekhna tha ki, the director and the writer, unki view point kya hai.
02:05Is it biased?
02:07The answer is no.
02:08It was a very neutral, it was a very balanced take, is case ko leker.
02:12Ek aisa take hai ki, bas ek aina dikha rahe haem ki is tarha ye case in doh karakters ke point of view se play out hua tha, aur unki life jis tarha thi.
02:23And this is the way they were affected by it.
02:26And that balanced point of view, I think was, I felt rest assured ki, thik hai.
02:30Now I can get into this because I loved the character, I loved her character, I loved the nuance.
02:35Jahaan pe in ki love story in ke bich anban hoti hai, finally there's that thrilling courtroom drama in the second half, which is spectacular.
02:44So it was a winner on the page for me and I was like, I have to be part of this film.
02:48Toh aap to aage, Yami Gautam, how is it for you to play the role, the pivotal role inspired by Shah Banu?
02:58And Shah Banu case, sab ko pata hai, ke 62 year old woman, 5 bachchon ki maa usko divorce dee diya gya hai,
03:07aur after the iddata period, usko koi maintenance nahi milega.
03:14Itna kuch iske baare mei likha gaya hai, itna kuch padha gaya hai,
03:18aaj ki politics isper itni reverberate kerti hai, kiunke aaj bhi humare desh mei uniform civil kode nahi hai.
03:28Kuch, kuch religions mei alag rules hai, mahilau ke liye alag rules hai for the men.
03:37How did you come about this film?
03:39How did you agree to do this film?
03:41Of course, it's a dream role for any, any actor.
03:45I think you've, the last sentence I think said it all, it is a dream role for any actor.
03:53I had read her name the first time, when we talk about Shah Banu case,
03:58it was making all the headlines and I think that at the time smartphones were not, we were in high school.
04:03And as you read newspaper, and I still remember that image with her eyes, those haunting eyes,
04:11it was a very simple picture, it was just a headshot, but it was so much depth that even though I was a teenager back then,
04:20but I remember, I felt something so distinct and so peculiar about that image.
04:27And of course, and I read about it, and there was so much knowledge as much as a common narrative in the newspaper.
04:33This concept of women empowerment, I don't think these terms were so used, or not openly.
04:41So, all I had to do is, was kind of just, all, all I had to do is, was kind of just,
04:49all, her take, say, maybe, why would it happen to me, why would it happen to me,
04:54I must close my eyes, that image that I had seen in my childhood, I must find my mind,
04:59just to remember that who I am actually representing, not just one woman,
05:04but so many of us, from different status, different religion,
05:10who you are, who you are, at some level.
05:14But you, a woman's struggle, the challenge of her, absolutely, but Imran Hashmi,
05:20you yourself are a Muslim.
05:23Did it play on your mind,
05:25in your mind, that Muslim community,
05:29how will I see myself, if I will play this role,
05:33where a woman wins?
05:36Well, I think, this question,
05:40I would like to ask you,
05:42that there is a lens, which I watch this film,
05:45and that is from the lens of a liberal Muslim,
05:49a secular Indian.
05:51In my family, in my family, my marriage was a Hindu girl,
05:5520 years ago, Parveen.
05:57In our house, there is also a temple,
05:59and our children, who are praying and praying,
06:04and also praying.
06:05My mom was a Christian.
06:07So, my mindset is very liberal and secular.
06:10So, my lens, which I was watching this film,
06:13I think it was extremely neutral,
06:17and I am first a feminist,
06:19in which I am a film,
06:21in which I am a film,
06:22where, you know,
06:23why should a film always be about
06:26the hero's journey,
06:27or the redemption,
06:28or the hero's courage?
06:31I think, eventually,
06:32male artists should also facilitate
06:35a story, a story,
06:37a story, where a woman gets her place in the sun.
06:43I think,
06:43where I will say,
06:44Ahmed Khan's character,
06:45Abbas Khan,
06:46in the film,
06:47I will say,
06:48that he is a such a man,
06:49who is fighting for himself,
06:51and has a thought process,
06:54and has a community,
06:55and tradition,
06:56and has a perception,
06:57and has a perception,
06:58and has a personal faith.
07:00And without getting too detailed into this,
07:03because it can get murky,
07:04there is also a convenience,
07:06where you give a tilt,
07:09because there is also a male righteousness,
07:11in a patriarchal society,
07:14we hide behind that tradition,
07:16and righteousness.
07:17It was like this,
07:17and it is that righteous stand,
07:23that many men take,
07:25in our society,
07:25and it is not just about one community.
07:27such a way,
07:28but there is also a total faith,
07:30that,
07:31and after 1985,
07:33it was like 2019,
07:35yeah,
07:36again,
07:37in fact,
07:38that the only thing that,
07:40and now,
07:41people say to yourself,
07:42that you,
07:43that you are right,
07:44that you are right,
07:44and you are right,
07:46you are right,
07:46and you are left,
07:47that you are right,
07:47you are right,
07:48and you are right,
07:49there is no hesitation,
07:51any creative process,
07:53fear,
07:55that you are right there,
07:56You can't move from that. If you want to see a creative process and effectively make a film, you can't bother about Twitter trends.
08:09If people come to the theater, there are debates, the debate starts, which was in 1985.
08:18You can think that in 1985, Shabano had won in court, but what did the government do?
08:30The government had a different law, and then in 2019, it was criminalized and banned in 2019.
08:44After such a long time, if it was so many years from 1985 to 2019,
08:53do you think that the fight you are fighting through this film is that all women should have equal rights,
09:04which is the basic minimum that we should be taken for granted in the 21st century?
09:11Do you think that you are part of that fight after this film?
09:16Absolutely. I think, wherever you are, there are some kind of film choices.
09:20It's not necessary if I am in this film, if someone is psycho-clear,
09:26then I keep thinking about it in real life. It's a character, right? It's fiction.
09:31It's entertainment at the end of the day. So whatever.
09:34But there are some kind of films that, wherever you are,
09:38it's personal, you keep believing,
09:41and if it's a good script,
09:46and I get a chance to become such subjects,
09:50it's been found two times before,
09:53and this is very different from it.
09:57It's a different dimension,
09:59and it's such a world, like you are saying,
10:01which are from many years.
10:03That is very true.
10:04So, Imran Aajmii,
10:05one man will do that,
10:08how will a woman live,
10:10and the children will live,
10:11and they will not live,
10:13because if they are not working,
10:16they will have five children,
10:18like in this film,
10:20and in the case of Shahbano,
10:23as well as they will do it.
10:25It's a part of this,
10:27it's a part of this part,
10:28and it's a part of this part.
10:29Do you want to decide from faith?
10:31And do you want to be different from the constitution?
10:34Because this is a religious issue,
10:37to give something after divorce,
10:39or a civil matter that is based on the constitution.
10:42First of all, we need a resolution of this issue.
10:47Shah Banu has fought for many years,
10:50through all these courts,
10:52Session Court, High Court, Supreme Court.
10:55It's a big thing, and that's why she's a testament,
10:58for example.
11:00And it comes down to this thing,
11:02that people,
11:03don't hide behind these things.
11:06One is righteousness,
11:09a male driven convenience.
11:11Righteousness or convenience?
11:13No, righteousness.
11:14Hiding behind tradition also is a kind of righteous.
11:16It's convenience.
11:17It's also righteousness.
11:19These are tenants,
11:21these are dictates of what has been happening for generations.
11:25And how do you question this?
11:27How do you believe this?
11:30How do you believe this?
11:31I don't know how you feel,
12:00but I am a woman,
12:03so I have to ask questions about this,
12:07why do women's rights and women's rights are not right?
12:12How do you answer this?
12:16I think things have changed right now.
12:17I think if you will see in retrospect,
12:19at that time, maybe...
12:21Look, now patriarchy is very prevalent in our society.
12:25It is in the whole society.
12:26It is in the main dominance.
12:28All of this, I go back.
12:30There is no situation, divorce or anything.
12:34After many years, I can see this in my own industry.
12:40Talking about women's empowerment and things have changed for women over the years.
12:45When I started my industry in 2003,
12:49there was not one woman on a film set.
12:53Right?
12:54Now, there are so many women in the film set.
12:59They are getting their work.
13:01Of course, there are places where there is a compromise.
13:05There are situations where their dignity is compromised.
13:10It is a better place than it was in probably 40 years ago.
13:14But it is still not that equal.
13:15But we are taking steps.
13:17We are taking steps.
13:18We are taking steps to a better future.
13:20I think that is the silver lining.
13:23Now, you cannot say that overnight things will change.
13:27What we saw in the 85th case and the predicament of women's predicament,
13:32it has gotten slightly better.
13:34And it, inshallah, will get better as time goes by.
13:37How is the truth?
13:38I think it is a concept-driven film.
13:40Like she said, it is something which drives the thought process
13:45where there are pro-women.
13:47And in this film, there is also a male bias.
13:50It sheds light on that.
13:52Yes, we have taken an example of a landmark case.
13:57It is for the younger generations because it is very important
14:01that we are taking the struggle in the public domain.
14:05What is it that you want people to be saying
14:08when they leave the theatre after seeing Huck?
14:13If I go by my instinct,
14:15and I don't think for a while they will be able to say anything.
14:23When I...
14:25I should say a lot before my film release,
14:29but I believe that I am a very level-headed person
14:32who is the only one of my films, especially
14:34if I can criticise someone else,
14:36if I do it,
14:37then my responsibility is to watch my work first.
14:41And I watch it very objectively.
14:42Very objectively.
14:46I believe that Huck is a very good film.
14:49It is a very balanced film in the sense that it is a film.
14:53It is not that it is there to...
14:57conversations, debates, discussions.
14:59It is a by-product.
15:00First, it is a film.
15:03It left me speechless.
15:05And...
15:08I'd like to believe that...
15:11I watch films as an audience.
15:13I...
15:13That time, I'm not watching it as an actor.
15:16When I read a script,
15:18I am reading as an audience before.
15:20That actor and romance,
15:21everything comes back after.
15:22First, as an audience,
15:23I think that can Yami the artist and Yami the audience meet together.
15:29And I feel so far,
15:30at least in the last 4-5 years,
15:32I have striked a chord with my audience.
15:35I still don't know what they like.
15:36I still don't know what they want.
15:37I still don't know what the result is.
15:39But I believe they have not let down a good film.
15:45What can I say?
15:46I can only wish you all the very best.
15:49And I do hope,
15:51when people leave the hall after seeing the film,
15:55as you said,
15:56they are as speechless as you expect them to be.
16:00Thank you very much, Imran Hashmi.
16:02And thank you, Yami Gautam for joining me on Frankly Speaking.
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