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00:00We've got the USS Edson battleship in Bay City that is said to have a lot of activity,
00:05and I can go on record to say that that's absolutely true. Wasn't quite prepared for that one.
00:11Haunted Michigan, terrifying tales.
00:15Hey Steve, super cool of you to join us for Haunted Michigan here. A few years ago we talked
00:20about the Hell House, and for anybody that hasn't experienced the Hell House thing, you should
00:24look that up on YouTube. It is just kind of, it's incredible. But we'll talk about some more
00:29haunted places in Michigan coming up here in a few. But first I want you to take a chance to
00:34talk about the haunting on Brockway Street 3, and that comes up on November 29th. Tell us all about
00:39that. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, I've been doing a big red carpet premiere. I mean, Haunted
00:44Saginaw, we've been doing this since 2010 actually. So every year we do an investigation local to the
00:52area, primarily Saginaw County, but sometimes a little further out. And we do a big premiere of
00:57the investigation documentary at the Historic Temple Theater in Saginaw. It's a red carpet event,
01:03and so this will actually be the 13th red carpet premiere. Haunting on Brockway Street was an
01:10investigation that we did of an old mansion on Brockway Street in Saginaw. There's a lot of history,
01:17there's a lot of activity, and we went there and thought we had everything under control. Came back the
01:25second time, of course, Haunting on Brockway Street 2, things were much worse, I guess you could say.
01:32There's really no mild way to put that, and we brought in a lot of people to help resolve this.
01:38And just when we thought everything was good, sure enough, something happens. A late night and 9-1-1
01:45phone call is made. We find out what's happening. We look at the security system. We realize that the
01:52cause of this 9-1-1 call was not human, and we really had no choice but to come back one last
01:59time. You know, that doesn't mean for sure it's going to be gone, but we can only allocate so much
02:04resource. I'll always be a part of this family in terms of going there to help out, but this will be
02:09the last actual film, and we threw everything we had at this. Now, you just said something
02:15interesting. So back when, you know, I mean, obviously paranormal investigators have been around for a long
02:20time and whatnot, but you just said you looked up the security footage. Now, that hasn't been around
02:24a long time. So is that something that paranormal investigators use a lot nowadays?
02:29Yeah, man, you know what? You hit it right on the head. It's changed everything, right? Because,
02:33you know, you got to think, let's go back 20 years ago or whatever. In the 70s, you had parapsychologists
02:38and kind of the origins of the investigation process that we have today. And all you really had to go off
02:45of was testimony of the people, maybe a friend, a neighbor, a cousin who spent the night and saw
02:50this, heard that. And so you would have to go off of the word of the individuals and try to do your
02:57research that way. You know, is there any patterns to this? What are you seeing? Now, let me go in myself
03:01and investigate. But now, I mean, everybody at all times, boom, phone in their pocket, video, surveillance,
03:08doorbell cams, indoor security cam. I mean, it's crazy how much footage can exist today and how you
03:16can rule out things. Like in this case here, this 911 call that was made, I don't want to give away
03:22too much, right? But let's just say that there was an intrusion in the home. There was damage done
03:29to the home while somebody was there, terrified for their life and hiding. The police came, all of
03:35these things. And we were able to look even in their app because we came here immediately and see
03:41that the alarm didn't go off, that all the doors were locked, all the windows were secure, nothing
03:48was set off. But at the same time, there is all of this visible damage from what something did to the
03:56home and a door specifically trying to get into a room that this person was hiding in. So what do you
04:03say at that point, right? You have no entry actually to the home, but yet you have tangible evidence that
04:09something ripped a door off its hinges and actually even fractured the wood door. It's not a person
04:15because cameras show every angle of the house. Nobody entered the home and the alarm system was
04:20active, but yet this stool took place. Is that one of those things when crazy stuff starts happening
04:26to houses, you just set up cameras all over the place, just try to catch something?
04:29Well, yeah. I mean, number one, that's the best way to do it. Cause I mean, at the end of the day,
04:34it's, I, you know, it's kind of a weird comparison, but like you're going fishing, right? You're trying
04:38to catch a fish. You're going to be more likely if you've got 10 lines in the water, right? You know,
04:43at the end of the day, it's just a numbers game, but yeah, when possible running as many cameras as
04:47you can, it's going to increase your odds quite a bit. Now, real fast, I talked about the hell house
04:52earlier. And like I said, people can look it up on, uh, on YouTube. I think it's, it's, it's, you, you caught some
04:57very impressive things, uh, there. Obviously you're, you're probably there, you know, tens of
05:03hours of, of film, but then you, you compile it and it's like, there's some crazy stuff that went
05:08on there. Um, tell people a little bit about that house real fast. Sure. Uh, and actually several
05:13hundreds of hours. Okay. Yeah. It's that, that, that crazy. So wow. Where do you begin? Right. With
05:19a case like this, you know, Dice road, first of all, Dice road is, is an infamous back road,
05:25um, in Michigan, Saginaw County. It's very rural community and it's known for so many hauntings
05:32per capita. It's crazy, right? We've all heard the, the lore of Dice road. You know, there's
05:37the Dice road cemetery. People talk about, I personally won't go in there. Um, I don't want
05:43to disturb a cemetery so haunted or not that to me is off limits though. I wouldn't suggest anybody do
05:48that. Uh, but there's those claims, uh, certain parts of the road. There's a bridge that said to
05:53be haunted. There's these rumors about a, a man named crazy Larry that comes back. There's a phantom
05:58car. They say that chases people. And I even know people that claim this happened, you know,
06:03cause to me, that's kind of a, kind of a wild belief, right? That there's a phantom car that
06:08appears out of nowhere, gets behind you, no headlights and runs you out. And I'm kind of like, yeah,
06:13well maybe that's a neighbor being protective or something, but this has been going on
06:18for like 45 years, these claims, you know, and I have personal friends that I believe
06:23that say this did happen to me. So, uh, let me get to the point though. There's all these
06:28rumors that have been going on for like 50, 60 years plus on Dice road, but none of them
06:35have ever been about the most infamous haunting that has ever happened on Dice road. Even I doing
06:42this for so many years, right here in Saginaw County, I never knew about the hell house as
06:48we call it. And, um, essentially somebody approached me for about two years, you know,
06:55anonymously contacting me saying, I need to talk to you. I need to give you something.
07:00I won't tell you why or, you know, so of course I'm not going to go do that. Right. I'm not going
07:04to just meet a stranger. Um, and, uh, it was kind of a war of attrition. And finally I said,
07:09you know, they caught me on the right day and I'm like, okay, you know what? Meet me at this place
07:13in 35 minutes and park here. I gave them a criteria. And if you want to meet, this is the
07:21one and only time I'm going to do this. Let's do this. They showed up. They had a huge box.
07:26They gave it to me, said a few things to me, left a phone number and me and the people I'm with
07:33take the box somewhere and we start rifling through it. And I'm thinking maybe this is really
07:38creative fiction. Maybe somebody has created this whole thing and it's kind of a, maybe they're
07:43going to write a book or something. I don't know. And I'm kind of like, can these police reports be
07:48real? I mean, some of the first ones I yanked out, they're state police reports. So Saginaw County
07:53Sheriff's department, I'm seeing things in there about the FAA. I'm seeing things about houses cracking
07:59and foundations and lie detectors. And I'm like, what in the hell is going on? So I just started doing
08:05some preliminary, relatively simple detective work, if you want to call it that. And I'm looking at all
08:10the police signatures and names and I'm writing them all down. And I start researching every one
08:16of these names. And sure enough, every one of these people during that time, you know, was a sergeant,
08:20a detective, a deputy, a trooper. And I started reaching out to these people. Within a day, I was
08:26getting responses. And most of them said, because my message to them is, hi, this is my, this is who I am.
08:32This is what I'm inquiring about. Does this address mean anything to you? And every one of them
08:38responded with things like, I always wondered when somebody would reach out to me about this.
08:44And, and then my follow up to every one of them is before I ask you any more questions,
08:49is this true? Every one of them said yes. Every one of them, you know, and for people saying,
08:57okay, well, what is this? In the 1970s, there was a family that had lived in a house for over 10 years
09:04that they built themselves, never had a problem, no issues whatsoever. And on one night, their life
09:12changes forever. In a sense that every single day for over half a year, they're being tormented by
09:20broken windows, pounding on their house, fires, what sounds like explosions. And that is just
09:27really the tip of the iceberg. Now, it was fascinating. Like I said, I'll link some of the
09:32stories in our last conversation in the description of this so that people can see it. But you just
09:39mentioned you don't go into cemeteries. That's just kind of a, an unwritten rule you have.
09:43I mean, you know, for, for me, it is, I mean, don't get me wrong. I've done it in different
09:48locations. You know, when you're talking about a cemetery, that's from the late 1700s, early 1800s,
09:55it's not really active anymore. And if it's part of a certain case that I'm doing, uh, for some
10:00reason, I will go into a cemetery, but like with Dice road, you know, these are, well, every, it doesn't
10:07matter when a person passes away, right? 1800s, whatever, either way, it's like, you're, I don't want to go in
10:12there and disturb that unless you really need to, for some reason, right? Because, you know, these
10:17are people's parents, descendants, grandparents, they're human beings. And I feel like going into
10:23a cemetery just for the sake of investigating and trying to capture evidence, we have a billion
10:30places we could do that. I don't think we need to do it there. That's just my opinion anyway.
10:35Now, what are some other places in and around Michigan that you found just a lot of activity?
10:40Give me some stories about some of the stuff that you've seen and witnessed,
10:43man. I mean, where do you begin? Right. I mean, Michigan, we have so much
10:48lore, you know, uh, we, we really are rich in, in lore and hauntings and, you know, rather it be,
10:56uh, specific lighthouses in the area, like the old show lighthouse. I think that's 20 miles out in the
11:02water in Lake Michigan, um, talks about apparitions, uh, poltergeist type activity, um, even elemental
11:09type things. You know what I mean? We have the Michigan dog man, which I don't want to say too
11:14much about, but you're going to, you're going to be hearing about that from me quite a bit,
11:18um, in the very near future. Uh, we've got the USS Edson battleship in Bay city, uh, that is said to
11:25have a lot of activity. And I can go on record to say that that's absolutely true. I spent a few
11:31months on that ship investigating it. And, uh, wow. You know, I wasn't, wasn't quite prepared for
11:38that one. Um, all over the Southwest part of the state. I mean, there's so many different locations,
11:45you know, that we have, and there's a lot of different theories too. I mean, some people kind
11:49of say that there is a correlation between running water or bodies of water being kind of a conduit of
11:56different energies. I mean, we are surrounded by the great lakes, um, as well. I mean, does that play
12:01a part in it? You know, I'm open to the idea, but I can't say that's a hundred percent the case,
12:05but, um, and then you look at Mackinac, you know, Mackinac Island is said to be a very haunted
12:11location. You know, there's a lot of interesting things that have taken place there and different
12:14battles. Um, people are still finding bones and things like that to this day. Um, unfortunately,
12:21sometimes burial grounds get disturbed, you know, and that's always a catalyst for activity as well.
12:26Like in Saginaw, Michigan on Hamilton street, uh, that was one of the first two films that I did
12:31independently. And one of the things that we looked at with a specific location was when they
12:37were widening the street right in front of this business, they unearthed a bunch of, uh, remains
12:42of native Americans accidentally, but, you know, even though it was accidental, it's still a
12:47disturbance, you know, and that could very well be, you know, uh, the cause of that. And of course,
12:52we're rich in that history as well. So Michigan is definitely, if you want to say a hotspot,
12:59I think we definitely rank up there pretty high. Now you mentioned that the, the, uh, the dog man,
13:04so we're without giving too much away, what location are we talking about in Michigan?
13:08Well, the dog man, you know, there's been sightings all over the state. I mean, primarily to me,
13:14it seems that the, the hotspot is going to be Northern Michigan, um, and that, you know, kind
13:19of, uh, above mid Michigan, you know, kind of Crawford County, Roscommon County, even up in the
13:24Traverse city region. And of course, you know, even further, even into the upper peninsula.
13:29And that's not something that would normally be in my wheelhouse. Right. But all I'm going to say
13:36is that, um, you know, when I was much younger, there was a strange incident that I observed,
13:42you know, that I've kind of always kept to myself and the very few people that were present,
13:47because it's one of those things where you don't really know what to say, you know, like, I mean,
13:53you know, people will kind of say, well, you know, black bears can have a, you know, but you know,
13:58the difference between a black bear and something, I'll just leave it at that. There's a lot,
14:03there's a lot to be said there and a lot that's going to be said about that, but it does make you
14:08wonder, you know, what, what that phenomenon is, um, how there's been sightings for how,
14:14you know, for how many decades and in fact, centuries, you know, recorded documents in the
14:18area. And it always kind of makes you wonder, you know, what could these things be, uh, that are
14:23being seen by thousands of Michigan residents over a very long period of time? What is the truth in
14:29that? And that's not something that's paranormal. That's something that people witness, correct?
14:34Yeah. Yeah. And then I guess by definition, you know, the word paranormal, I guess, can be summed
14:39up as something that can't be scientifically explained. So, I mean, I guess there's, you know,
14:44maybe to us, there's phenomenon taking place today that we are all saying, oh my God, that's, you know,
14:49that's paranormal activity. Yes. Maybe in 400 years, there'll be an explanation for some of the
14:55things that we encounter that we look at as supernatural, if that makes sense.
15:00Now you mentioned the, um, the, the, the battleship there in Saginaw. I've talked to
15:04some other people about that as well. You said you spent months there, huh? So what kind of
15:08things you see there? A couple of months. In fact, I'll drop it here with you. That is going to be
15:13my next film is a haunting on the Saginaw river, the gray ghost. That will be the next haunted Saginaw
15:19documentary to follow from Brockway three. Um, so we were brought there by some people that, you know,
15:25that knew there was a lot of activity that knew me asked if I would be interested. We had to go in front
15:30of a board of people that, you know, that, that control the ship and its integrity and all of
15:34those things. And they voted to allow me to do it. And so we spent about, I think maybe about six to
15:41seven weeks on the ship, um, all night long, every single night, night after night. Um, number one,
15:47I will tell you in the dead of summer, that thing is very hot. Even late at night when it's cool and
15:53breezy, you are in a steel oven cage, man. It was brutal. Not to mention, you know, those doors you
16:01walk through for flooding purposes, they go up a couple of feet and you can imagine how many, um,
16:07shin bruises and fractures that we occurred, you know, during that time when you're walking around
16:12the dark full speed thing, you know, and I could go on with that, but active 1000%. In fact,
16:20whatever expectation I was hoping that might be the case was 1000 times above that, you know,
16:28to the point where we would just kept coming back every night that we could, because it seemed like
16:33the longer we were investigating it, the higher the activity we were catching, you know? So we stayed
16:39as long as we were basically allowed to stay. I was going to say, do, do the, do these spirits or
16:45apparitions kind of get used to you being there or maybe open up a little bit more if you're there
16:49night after night? Yes. I believe that's the case. I believe that in some cases, exactly what
16:55you said, you know, they, they get used to you more and they're, uh, they're more likely to interact
16:59or communicate. And if they don't want you there, they're also more likely to show you that as time
17:03goes by. Right. Um, depending on what you are dealing with, you know, and then on that ship,
17:09there was, um, there was a lot of activity and there was some very specific individuals. We were
17:16trying to communicate to where people that run the ship and, you know, in its history, they, there was
17:21a death on the ship. There was, well, there was more than one death on the ship, but there are certain
17:25spirits that they knew had been there and that do reside there. And so that was kind of our main goal
17:31was to communicate with them, see if, you know, we could offer any kind of, I guess, peace in some
17:36kind of sense, you know, do they want to be there? Do they not want to be there? Uh, why are some of
17:41these things happening? Let's see if we can kind of dive in and, and find out. But, um, we took it
17:46very seriously. I mean, we do with every investigation, but in this case, you know,
17:51you're talking about, you know, veterans, you're talking about, you know, a ship that was used in
17:56war. You're talking about our, our heroes basically. Right. So we wanted to be very, very,
18:01very respectful, um, in every way that we could from how we entered the ship, how we spoke, um,
18:08what questions we asked and what we did. And, uh, speaking of, uh, ships, have you ever done
18:13any investigations up? It was that white fish point where the, uh, where the, the, the shipwreck
18:18museum is. Have you ever done anything like that as far as ships that have gone down in like Lake
18:21Superior or whatnot or whatnot? No, I have not. I'm super interested in that in a lot of ways,
18:26but have I actually investigated that? No. Okay. And then you just mentioned a war down here.
18:31And, uh, you know, uh, outside of Detroit, there's Monroe, Michigan, where there was, uh,
18:35there's battlefields and stuff. Have you ever done anything down there?
18:37Um, no, I've been down there and I'm kind of a, kind of a nerd like that, that I like to go to
18:42things like that and check things out and kind of walk around and read all the pamphlets and
18:46everything, but I haven't investigated there, you know, in a official capacity. No. Yeah. So what,
18:52what else do you have coming up besides what you were just talking about? Is there anything else
18:55that you can plug? Yeah, sure. Well, um, you know, we just finished season eight of paranormal caught on
19:01camera and I think that just finished, um, airing and now we're already on to season nine and that's
19:06been pretty fun. I, they, I came on season six and this will be my, uh, my ninth season with them.
19:13Of course that's, you know, on the travel channel, but I think you can find that also on max and
19:17discovery plus, uh, as well. So kind of working on that. Um, of course, Brockway three about to come
19:24up, you know, again, November 29th at the temple theater in Saginaw. And even on my own, uh, through
19:30Patreon, I have a Patreon, just Patreon slash Steve Shippey. Um, I release an exclusive investigation
19:36every single month. So actually now I think there's like 125 investigations that nobody has ever seen
19:45because I've been on there for five years. So these investigations just locally or all across
19:50the country? Um, well, these ones specifically are more in the Saginaw County region. Um, but you know,
19:56but that won't, you know, that's not to say that we won't go further with that. It's hard, man,
20:00because, you know, we get so many amazing offers to come out and investigate places far away that are
20:07really, really interesting, but we have so many cases here in our area and we kind of feel, I don't
20:15want to say obligated, but you know, this is our area and this is where we started haunted Saginaw. So
20:20I guess for me personally, those cases will always kind of have a priority. Yeah. Have you, have you
20:27done anything outside of Michigan? Like, like the Sally house and some of the more, more famous ones
20:31like that? Yeah. You've been at the Sally house? I have. Yeah. In fact, um, you know, of course I
20:35have, um, my own, I had my own series on the travel channel called haunting in the heartland. Um, and
20:41that's also, you can find that on max and, and, uh, I think Amazon prime and other places. And that was one
20:46of the episodes that we did. We went to Atchison and we did the Sally house. Wow. I'm gonna have
20:51to set my DVR up to, to catch all your shows and do all your stuff. Cause that's, and that's another
20:57thing that's so complicated for me, man, is cause I feel like I have split audiences in a sense,
21:03you know, like I'll have, I have the haunted Saginaw audience that a lot of the times really
21:07have no idea that I'm also doing stuff with the travel channel and the network. And then I had
21:13people that are, you know, supporters from that, that have no idea that haunted Saginaw exists.
21:18So it's kind of like, you know, and then you, you asked me about music earlier. So then there's
21:22also that that's over here somewhere and it's just kind of, it's a weird place to be. And I just try
21:28my best to accommodate them as much as to navigate everything. That's all I can do. Yeah. So, so how,
21:34how often do people reach out to you to investigate places in Saginaw or anywhere?
21:39Quite a bit. Um, I would say we usually get about
21:43a hundred to 150 requests a year. And out of that 150, I would say 50 or 60 seem relatively urgent,
21:54you know, and then we kind of whittle that down to about 10, you know, by kind of a vetting process
22:00of reaching back out to the people, asking a bunch of questions, because I kind of look at it like
22:05the quickest way to do that is communicate your, your brains off to somebody, you know,
22:10really give them homework, um, ask them for certain things, you know, because the more you do that,
22:15if they aren't really willing to reciprocate that energy back, then you need to give it to the people
22:20that really seem like, Hey, this is a problem. It's really affecting our lives. We need the help.
22:27And once we can narrow it down to that, we'll jump on the cases that we know we can handle.
22:32And even if there's some that we're kind of like, man, how do you make a decision here?
22:36We will bring somebody else to help them, or we will investigate it, but just not put it on film
22:41because we do a lot of that too. And people don't know about those cases because they're not public.
22:46Yeah. Is there, do you ever get into a situation where you're like, this is kind of too crazy for me?
22:54Yes.
22:54So, so give us an example of that, man. I mean, yeah, God, there's, you know, there's some I would
23:02love to, but probably shouldn't. But I mean, we've had cases where the activity was so wild and the
23:10people were wilder than the activity, you know what I mean? And it's, it's just so intense and so
23:15much to try to handle that you just do the best you can, you know? And then at the end of it,
23:21you're kind of like, well, you know, we did everything we can and, you know, here's some
23:25names and numbers of other people that might be able to come in and assist you or whatever,
23:31because it's just, you know, yeah, there's just a few cases that come to mind. I'll give you a
23:36little bit, you know, there's, there's one where we kept going to this location, you know, and meeting
23:41with the people and building a rapport and thinking that we were all on this, you know, level and the
23:46activity is just insane and we're doing all these things and it gets worse. And then we come back
23:51and we come back and we come back. And then finally, one of them says, well, you know,
23:56I'm wondering if, you know, some of the summoning rituals I'm doing are bringing in the wrong things.
24:02And we're like, wait, you know, and they're like, well, yeah, no, I mean, here, you know,
24:07hear me out. And then they just kind of like, take us to this room and they open it up and
24:11there's like, just, it's like a ritual room. And I'm like, look, I'm, I don't think I can help
24:16you at this point. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what this is. I don't know what
24:19you're bringing in, what you want to come in, what's coming in that shouldn't come in,
24:23but you know, this might be why you're having all of this go on, you know, and that's, that's
24:29on you, I guess it's up to you, whether or not you want to do this, but you're creating
24:35more of a storm. Every time we come back, we're trying to mop up the storm water and
24:41sure up the house. And then you're just bringing it back over and over again. So I think this
24:45is a endless cycle that we can't get out of, you know? Yeah, that's crazy. Hey, when you
24:50say activity, by the way, do you mean with, with your devices or do your things thrown
24:56around the room or both or what? Yeah, that, that means everything, you know,
25:00you know, I mean, activity to me that that's affecting people in a home that that's important
25:05to us, right? I mean, number one, we hate seeing it happen, but it does, you know, scratches
25:10and being pushed and, you know, the physical attack kind of scenarios. And other than that,
25:15you know, sometimes you have kind of a poltergeist style activity, doors slamming all night long,
25:20things being thrown, coming home and finding your house a mess, you know, and things of
25:25that nature. Those are very nuisance style disturbances, you know, that scare the heck out of people.
25:31And, you know, you got to think about it too, man. Like when it's your home, that's like the
25:37one place that you're, you should feel comfortable. You know, it's like, that's kind of like your
25:41haven, right? You know, and when people are afraid to be home, that's when a lot of bad
25:46things start, that kind of stress on people, because really, man, it's a thing, you know,
25:52it really is. I mean, I always kind of say to people, different things that exist in life,
25:57you know, there's therapy for, you know, you go to a, you go to a therapist or whatever,
26:02and you say, you know, I went through this divorce or this breakup or this death in my family.
26:06Or even people that are out there like, oh, I'm just, I'm trying to quit smoking and all
26:10these things. And there's therapy for that. Imagine if you yourself were terrified to go
26:15home. If you were afraid to sleep at night, if you were afraid for yourself and maybe your
26:21kids, your family, what, what kind of toll does that take? Yeah. On people. Yeah. I mean,
26:27really, you know, and, and you've been, you've been kicked and scratched yourself. Yeah. Oh,
26:32yeah. Yeah. Um, I just watched, uh, the, um, the latest Conjury movie. Are you familiar with the,
26:39uh, Smurl house? Yes. All right. What, what, what are your thoughts on, on something like that?
26:44I mean, you know, I think of course, you know, when it comes to Hollywood movies, there's always,
26:49you know, there's going to be some creative licensing. That's just, you know, fact, but I mean,
26:53the, you know, the Smurl case was a shocking, um, case of the Warrens. I mean, it really was. I mean,
26:59that was a very shocking, very famous case. I saw the film myself, actually, uh, not that long ago.
27:04I went to the theater and saw that and, uh, you know, definitely thought it was a good film. Um,
27:10there, there were a lot of accurate things in that film, you know, again, some obviously licensed,
27:14but right. A lot of accurate things. Um, yeah, you know, the Warrens, of course, they seem to chase
27:20after, uh, some of the worst cases because that's just what they did. You know, they went after,
27:25uh, cases that most people wouldn't touch. Including yourself?
27:32I'm dumb enough to have done it. I've done it, you know, at the end of the day, it's just one
27:37of those things where, you know, you're kind of like, nah, I'm just gonna, okay, let's go. You
27:40know what I mean? Um, but you know, as time goes by, I will say those cases are becoming less
27:46appealing to me, you know, because I feel like, you know, you have to be, you have to be in the
27:53right place at all times to, you know, to really do cases like that. And, and you're playing around
28:00with a lot of things, you know, at that time, you know, you, you have to wrestle with your beliefs
28:04and theology, religion, and the people that are involved. And so I think that, you know, when people
28:11are dealing with something that they believe is truly an evil type of thing, um, it's always best,
28:16I think, that they align themselves with people that share their religious views and bring in
28:21people that are considered clergy from that and, uh, that they kind of tackle it that way. Um, I don't
28:27think as paranormal investigators or folks like to refer to as all blanketed as ghost hunters or
28:33whatever, I don't think we need to tromp around there and just ask a whole bunch of questions for the
28:37sake of catching something on video. Um, cases like that need to be, um, dealt with discreetly
28:45and, um, properly in my opinion. Yeah. Uh, are you a fan of the, uh, the Warrens? I've heard conflicting
28:51reports about, you know, them over the, over the years. Yeah, me personally. Yeah. I mean, I'm a fan of
28:57the Warrens, um, you know, for a lot of reasons, I think that they had very good intentions. Um, in fact,
29:04you know, I had this picture, it's, uh, I just saw it the other day. It's on my Instagram. I'll never
29:07forget. I was trying to reach out to, uh, Lorraine Warren. This is a long time ago. I don't remember
29:13what year. I want to say 15, 16, something like that. 14. I don't recall. And I was trying to reach
29:18out to her to interview her about something. And, um, she wasn't able to do it, but one day I'm sitting
29:25at my desk and the phone rings and the caller ID says Ed Warren. And of course, you know, Ed wasn't
29:32around anymore, but probably the phone was still in his name. So I literally, I had to,
29:37I had to grab my phone, take a picture of it while it was ringing, answer the call. And I believe it
29:42was Lorraine's nephew. I think that had answered it and basically just kind of relayed that, you
29:46know, she was flattered for the offer for the interview, but wasn't able to, I think she had
29:51issues at the time and stuff. And, but they, um, I guess to answer the question, sorry, I got in the
29:56weeds there. Um, I think that they were good people. I think they had really good intentions and,
30:01um, you know, sure. There's always going to be controversy. Um, but then again, if you,
30:07if you don't have any controversy, then you're not making any noise. Right. So, yeah. Well,
30:12I'll tell you what, Steve, we'll wrap things up here. I really appreciate you taking the time
30:15and getting back with me to do this. Uh, of course, this is the season and, uh, we'll push everybody
30:20towards the, uh, towards your, your, your, your Saginaw, uh, the, the Brockway street three, uh,
30:26coming up on November 29th. Did I get all that right? I'm not sure. I'm just using,
30:30I'm just using my brain, which isn't very big. So yeah, no, that's all right. Yep. November 29th,
30:36um, Saturday, right after Thanksgiving, it's a cool time, man. It's a, you know, it's,
30:41it's a really huge old historic theater and Saginaw. We're kind of lucky to have a venue
30:46like this for such a small city, you know, it holds 2000 people. Um, it's a lot like the Fox theater
30:52and just kind of how ornate it is. Okay. You know, it's a really beautiful place and you know,
30:57you can get drinks, you know, there's a full bar there. And so it's kind of, it's not just
31:01coming to watch a movie because we go out on stage and we talk to everybody and kind of mingle with
31:06the crowd. So it really is more of an event than it is just kind of sitting down and watching a film,
31:12if that makes sense. I'll have to make the trek up there. I last time I was there, I think was to
31:15the, I don't know, was it the Dow event center, right? That's the concert venue up there. Yes.
31:19Yeah. I think that was the last time I was up in Saginaw and that was a couple of years ago for a,
31:23for a concert. Tobias? Uh, no. No. Yeah. Is that, is that your band? That's my band. Yeah. Yeah. I
31:31didn't get to see them last time they were here because I had a, another thing going on, but man,
31:34I love seeing those guys in concert. Yeah. Well, if you want to come up to the premiere, let me know,
31:38man. I'll get you and whoever you want. Um, get you guys up here, VIP and just check it out.
31:43It's a good time. Yeah. I'd love to. Well, Steve, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
31:48Yeah. Thank you.
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