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After a trip to Leicester City and a midweek defeat to Coventry City, Pepe Lacey and Neil Allen are back for the latest episode of Pompey Talk. The pair dissect the Blues' previous two matches, Colby Bishop's worrying form, Makenzie Kirk, John Swift and much more ahead of Saturday's Championship contest against Stoke City.
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00:00Hello, everybody, and welcome to the latest episode of Pompey Talk. I'm Peter Lacey, and
00:10like last week, I'm joined by Neil Allen to discuss all the latest things going on involving
00:16Pompey, going on at Fratton Park. Neil, take away the results, and it's been some sort of
00:22a positive week for us. There's football back, so there's something to look forward to. This
00:27time last week, we were in the back end of a dogged, long international break, but there's
00:33football back, and there's football to talk about. Yeah, and I'd say two positive results.
00:40Obviously, the Leicester one is, and we were talking about this this morning, weren't we,
00:45about the commentary result? I know some people were quite down on Pompey after Tuesday. I
00:52didn't quite feel that way. I think it was just a struggle with the shoulders. The far better
00:56team won. For me, they are the best team we've seen in the Championship so far this season.
01:04Pompey were competitive again. If anything, the scoreline actually flattered Pompey, I
01:09thought, 2-1. But Pompey were competitive. They stayed in the game throughout, didn't
01:16they? And a year ago, they wouldn't have. So these are the changes we've seen now with
01:24Pompey from the back end of last season, obviously. They're now a competitive side in the Championship,
01:31even playing against the best team we've seen, even playing against Leicester away, Ipswich
01:37away. They're only losing some of those games by one goal. Obviously, Leicester was a draw.
01:43So there's plenty to like about Pompey at the moment. So they are getting better, you can
01:48say, because we sort of started last season losing at home comfortably to West Brom and
01:54Sunderland and such like. So, yeah, the better team won. And they were the better team, weren't
02:01they, Coventry?
02:02Yeah, so be it.
02:05We'll touch on Coventry in a bit. Obviously, we'll speak about Leicester just a little bit
02:10because there was plenty of positivity there. We were at the game. And when Pompey obviously
02:18went 1-0 down, you're thinking, oh, here we go again. Because at the time, Leicester
02:21were obviously on top and Pompey sort of rode that wave in the first half. And then all
02:26of a sudden, it was a second half performance. I don't think we were expecting. I don't think
02:30Leicester were expecting either. It was some turnaround by Pompey.
02:33Yeah, it was the second half with Pompey and Moore. I thought Leicester were cruising first
02:39half a few years ago through, a few saves and burst it. Pompey didn't create anything,
02:45did they? Obviously, Yang hit the bar, but in terms of shots on target, there was nothing,
02:51was there? Then second half, Pompey came out very strongly and on the front foot, equalised
02:5813 minutes in. And then they threatened again, didn't they? And if Ben Cheney hadn't been
03:05so casual with a place right-footed shot, Pompey could have even won it as well. So it was
03:12encouraging, wasn't it? Leicester fans booed the team at half-time, which I'm glad they
03:18did because I didn't actually know Leicester fans were there at the stadium. It was a bit
03:21bizarre. Honestly, it's one of the worst home sports I've not heard for a long time.
03:26It was strange, wasn't it? The Pompey fans are singing, weren't we? You're not singing
03:33anyway. I don't really hear that. It was bizarre. The home support, perhaps the Premier
03:43eyes now, I don't know, but very disappointing. But a really good point, Pompey, on the road
03:48and one where we didn't expect much from the game whatsoever. So you take that, don't you?
03:54Yeah, absolutely. And you look at Pompey's away results this season and it's such a difference
04:00and such a change and such an improvement. You look at the away results, there was a
04:05point at West Brom. Obviously, they won at Oxford on the opening day. But you look at
04:09some of the biggest sides, point at West Brom, and then you play the three relegated sides
04:13in Ipswich, Southampton and Leicester away. You take two points from that and lose slightly
04:18to Ipswich. And that's a hell of an improvement.
04:22Yeah, don't get me wrong. I think Pompey didn't deserve anything out of Coventry. And they didn't
04:28deserve anything out of Ipswich for me. But they're in the games. They were still competing.
04:33They lost by the odd goal, of course, in both of them. But they're looking like an established
04:40championship side now, aren't they, really? So when they've come up against very good sides
04:44in the past, the Leeds game, don't you, and a couple of others I've just mentioned,
04:50they've struggled. But this season, they're in matches, aren't they? They're competitive.
04:57Away from home as well. That's the biggest thing. Because last year, Pompey was so bad
05:02away from home. And everyone will admit that. Three wins away. They went on a run of 15 games
05:07losing and drawing. 15 games without a win away from home. And you go to the three big relegated
05:13side within the first two months of the season. And the performances speak for itself.
05:19Yeah. And there's no shame in losing to a Coventry team that are the most informed team
05:25in the championship and top of the table. There's no shame in them being the better team
05:31on the day. It's what it is. Probably aren't going to be the better team, aren't they, in
05:35every game they play in the championship. And Leicester, it was a fair result, really,
05:41the one-all draw, wasn't it? But John Massino was addressing the what-ifs afterwards
05:46with that Biancini miss that I mentioned. But that was a good point. And then Coventry
05:53had 2-1 defeat. It's a tough run at the moment, isn't it? With the fixtures. But you're thinking
05:57of those first three tough fixtures. They beat Middlesbrough, Drew Leicester, and only lost
06:022-1 to Coventry, which says it all. So I have read some criticism upon this performance
06:07on Tuesday. But again, just being pragmatic, it is what it is. The better side won, and
06:14Coventry are a far better side in terms of their available starting XI and the bench.
06:20Redoni was missing as well, wasn't he? He was a very good player for them. So, yeah, it's
06:24you just take it and move on. But it's plenty to be encouraged by.
06:30Yeah, let's go on to Coventry, because it was, well, I would have definitely taken a point
06:36going into the game. And Pompey were, they took a while to adjust to the game. Zach Swanson,
06:43especially in the first five, ten minutes, struggled. And you can see why he came in, other than
06:48Jordan Williams' injury. But I remember his performance against Ephraim Mason-Clark at
06:53Peterborough. That obviously would have been the back of everybody's minds, because that
06:57was one of Zach Swanson's best displays in a Pompey shirt, was away to Peterborough. And
07:03I was just noticing how Coventry were passing the ball and getting into spaces. I just didn't
07:08think players could get into those spaces. And you're just thinking, oh, you can see why
07:13they're top of the league. And in that first half, especially, they did look the better side.
07:18But second half again, Pompey had more of the ball. Okay, they didn't create the
07:23chance. But they had more of the ball against the top, top championship side. And this is
07:28what we're getting used to with the John Massino side, is they are quite happy on the ball.
07:33What killed them was the second goal. Because Pompey were enjoying a very good spell. They
07:37started the second half strongly, and then conceded an absolutely appalling goal, let's
07:42face it. It was dreadful. And it killed them then. There was no coming back from that point,
07:46was there? And then Coventry can just sit back. They've got the 2-0 lead, and it changes
07:50the game, doesn't it? It was interesting how Lampard changed his system for coming to
07:57Fratton Park, which is a huge compliment to Massino and his team, isn't it, really? So
08:02the league leaders come to Fratton Park, and they name a back five for the first time this
08:07season. They also dropped the leading scorer as well, put Sims up front. So he was concerned
08:14about Pompey at Fratton Park, the league leaders. So that says a lot as well about how Pompey
08:19progressed. The opposition manager is thinking now about coming here. In the old days, in
08:25the Premier League, old days, especially early on, top sides hated coming to Fratton Park.
08:32And then we had the lull in the league one days and the league two days, where teams loved
08:37coming to Fratton Park, didn't they? And parking the bus as such, defending deep and getting
08:42a point and celebrating like it was a victory. That's up to them. But again, we're seeing
08:46now that the teams, again, are fearing Fratton Park, aren't they? And again, I think that's
08:52a huge compliment to Pompey.
08:53What did you make of the, well, I'd say first, because there were a couple of instants, but
09:00that first penalty instant, when the game was at 0-0, for me, I was 80 yards away, I was
09:06sat in the north upper, and I could see it was a stone ball, hand ball. 0-0, that would
09:11have changed the game completely. And you can kind of understand John Messino's argument
09:16towards that.
09:17Yeah, it was hand ball, we've seen the replays as well. I never thought the other two were
09:21penalties, the first. The second one was, it's just a strange-looking challenge, but
09:26it was fine. And the third one, the guy, they hit the guy's knee in it, and then deflected
09:31onto his hand, which he didn't have the ball anyway. So, yeah, yeah. So, it's, I agree,
09:40everyone agrees with the first one. We've had commentary fans on social media agreeing
09:44that the first one was a penalty. So, it is disappointing, isn't it? But again, you look
09:51on the, I don't think you complain about the result in the end, could you really? Because
09:54commentary, with how much better? Commentary should have put it to Ben long before Pompey
09:59pulled that goal back through Mackenzie Kirk. And no doubt we'll talk about that, because
10:02that was a classy finish as well. So, you'd take two on at the end, wouldn't you?
10:07Yeah, and there was one highlight just after the penalty, was the, wow, would you say spat
10:12between Massino and Lampard? That definitely caught the attention of almost everyone at
10:19Fram Park.
10:21John Massino loves having a little chat to the fourth official, nearly all game, every
10:26game. He doesn't get involved in opposition benches, but we've seen before with Will
10:32Still and Frank Lampard, who then get involved in his bench. Massino stands his ground and
10:38keep him as good as he gets as well. And at that point, it was just after the penalty
10:42non-decision. You had Ogilvy had been fouled just outside the box for a free kick. So, there
10:50was a lull in play as well while he was getting looked at. And those, we were just watching
10:54them having a right old go at each other. At one point, Lampard appeared to be signaling
10:59to Massino to pipe down and keep quiet. And another time, signaling to sit on the back
11:03on the bench or whatever. They've had the right argument, but after the game, they met
11:08Massino's room, manager's room, and had a drink. So, it was all sorted in the end, isn't it?
11:14And I would give Frank Lampard a lot of credit as well because when Coventry's goal went in,
11:21not too long after that, he didn't over-celebrate. He didn't milk it. He didn't rub it in anyone's
11:27face. He didn't, he didn't like say to James Massino, ha-ha, tough luck, mate. He was very
11:34restrained. I thought it was classy, really, because when you see spats like that, there
11:40must always be the temptation to have a dig back when your team scores, especially to go
11:45in the lead. And there was none of that. And that showed his class, I think, as well. And
11:48again, whenever Lampard comes back with Coventry in the last couple of years, you always see
11:55fans and hear of fans saying he signs every photograph, every programme, poses for photographs.
12:01He's brilliant with the fans as well. So, it was just in the moment, really. And I don't
12:07think the Will Still thing was as lovey-dovey afterwards as that was. But yeah, the Will Still
12:13one was a bit different, wasn't it? I just remember after the Will Still one, Massino
12:18saying, well, I'd always invite everyone in for a drink after whatever incident took place.
12:24And that was a subtle dig for Massino. But yeah, good to show that he still does invite
12:30opposition managers into his room for a drink. It reminds me of the red nap days and times
12:37like that. Good to see John Massino does that. On pitch matters then, you touched on Mackenzie
12:43Kirk. Late introduction, really. But first Pompey goal and very well taken.
12:49I think it was a superb goal, wasn't it? It works out. He's had 58 minutes for Pompey
12:55now and he's got his first goal. It was, as I say, it was a deviling ball into the channel
13:00and he'd made the run into the channel and took advantage of the defender, didn't he? He
13:06took a slip or whatever. And it was a lovely finish from the angle, wasn't it? I thought
13:11he was top notch. Just from that finish, he just looks like a good player, doesn't he?
13:17It wasn't a scuffy thing, was it? It was the timing of it as well. He had that moment
13:24where he could have maybe slid it under the keeper but took it, probably one of his first
13:30actual chances in a Pompey shirt. And he dinked the goalkeeper like it was absolutely nothing.
13:35It was a cool finish. And it was slow motion as well, wasn't it? Yeah. He thought, what
13:40is he finally going to get back there and clear it? And he just drifted over him and
13:43yeah, that's a great moment for the lad, isn't it? Obviously, Cole Bishop has his problems
13:50at the moment and he's out of form. Not just goals but also in his performances. It's clear
13:57to see. So suddenly, you've got competition there with Mackenzie Crook. Sorry, Mackenzie
14:02Kirk. I keep calling Mackenzie Crook of the actor. There's not many Mackenzie's really
14:07to think of. But Mackenzie Kirk comes off the bench and he does that, 21-year-old, in his
14:13third ever championship game. Lovely finish. So Bishop needs that competition. There was great
14:22competition with him and Yangi in the promotion season. Definitely not last season. But in
14:29the promotion season, Yangi was given that competition. And you want that, don't you?
14:34You really do. So that can only help Pompey.
14:37I mean, for Bishop, I wrote a piece in the international break when Bishop was on a bit
14:43of a dry patch. And I was quite strong on the belief that people that contribute to his
14:51game aren't around. You look at Callum Lang, Josh Murphy especially. In Josh Murphy's
14:56absence, you know what he does putting balls into the box. And everybody knows what Bishop's
15:01game is. Hold the ball up, play the ball on. And he's clinical in the box. Unfortunately,
15:06it's two games now since I've written that piece. And it's one of those ones where he
15:12hasn't had many shots either. He hasn't created his own chances, which as a striker, you do
15:17need to do that. So at parts, I do think he is limited with what he can do in Josh Murphy's
15:24absence. But at the same time too, you've also got to create your own chances. And you've
15:29got to create it for yourself as a striker. So it's a real tough period for him at the moment.
15:35He suffered the most from Josh Murphy's absence. You think of the goal at West Brom with the
15:40ball in from the left there. That's what he thrives on. And he hasn't got that because
15:48Yang's a different sort of player. Chaplin's on the right. I thought John Massino explained
15:53it very well yesterday about he wants Chaplin to basically be a right-sided 10. So he doesn't
15:58hog the touchline and try and beat somebody on the flank. He tucks inside a lot, doesn't he?
16:03Yeah. You're then relying on your crosses coming from full-back, whether it's Williams,
16:08who put a great cross into Yang, didn't he, against Middlesbrough, and Swanson. So it's
16:15probably very different. They've changed their approach to attacking just because Josh Murphy's
16:20out of the team. So it would be interesting to see when he comes back, not only where you
16:24put Yang, presumably to the right wing, but also how that can reinvigorate Bishop at the
16:31moment, because he's not the same. He's going through a lengthy dry spell and his form
16:36has undoubtedly dipped. And that is a concern.
16:40What would you do with Bishop, obviously after Kirk's goal on Tuesday? Could the question
16:47of dropping him be him with a shout? Is that too much of a controversial call?
16:53Could we see? It's definitely a discussion you have to have, simply because he's not scoring
16:58goals. He's not playing particularly well. And then a young lad comes off the bench and
17:01scores a goal like that as well. So I suspect Messina will continue with Bishop for Stoke,
17:08which is a tough game. The sixth place, started the season well. A little bit of a dip, but
17:11the sixth place. And take it from there, I suppose. But he's breathing down his neck. He has
17:17to be breathing down that. There's got to be alternatives of Colby Bishop if he's not
17:22playing well and not performing. And there's a difference. There's a difference to not scoring
17:27to not playing well. And at the moment, it's neither for him.
17:32It's also confidence as well. Would dropping him, drop his confidence even more? Or I don't
17:40know. It's just, it's unusual to have this conversation about Bishop because last year
17:44when he came back, Pompey missed him so much in the first three months of the season. And
17:47then when he came back, he was ever present and he, I think he missed out on one starting
17:5311 following his return. We don't really have this conversation, especially last year. We've
17:59never had this conversation about potentially dropping Bishop. You mentioned the League
18:031 title winning season. Adding that competition, it spurred him on and it also added plenty
18:09of goals to his game and Pompey's game.
18:12Yeah, yeah. And that's right. A striker needs to come into the scrutiny if he's not performing
18:18at the levels we know he can perform at. So, in the past, we obviously rightly criticised
18:24John Marquis and other strikers before him as well. So, we've criticised Yenge last season.
18:31He was terrible, wasn't he, last season? And again, you have to look at Colby Bishop.
18:37He's got to be open to scrutiny, no matter how good he's done for Pompey over the years,
18:43no matter his impressive scoring record. He has to be open to scrutiny and he is at the moment
18:48at the moment because he's not at those levels we know he can perform at. That's natural.
18:54Yeah. Kirk obviously offers something completely different as well. You mentioned it about the
19:00goal running into the channel. That's not really Bishop's game. And you mentioned when Chaplin
19:06now reinvigorated or trying to play as a number 10, right side number 10, and Yang, watch Yang
19:11and you see what he's trying to do every time. He's not really one to put in a cross.
19:17Kirk, it was one ball forward and then got through the channel and scored.
19:22Maybe that offers Pompey something completely different in the number nine role
19:27because ultimately Colby Bishop, that's not part of his game.
19:30Whereas Kirk can get in the channel and can get in behind and cause defensive nightmares.
19:36Yeah, it's a fascinating goal, isn't it? It really is. And I know as more and more supporters
19:41are questioning Bishop and rightly so. And no one's questioning his ability or not many,
19:48not all are questioning his ability at this level or what he's done for the football club
19:55or his work rate. But at the moment, he's not the Colb Bishop we know.
20:01It's the here and now and Pompey have to adapt to him. That's the main thing.
20:06It's not, like you mentioned, it's not doubting his qualities and his ability.
20:10We know how good he is. It's the here and now and Pompey ultimately need to score goals.
20:14And Mackenzie Kirk offers something different.
20:18But he does, with Bishop, when the doubters come out, he does always bounce back.
20:22Yeah, yeah.
20:23He's done it time and time again. And John Messina was pointing that out in the press conference yesterday.
20:27So you can never write off Colby Bishop. He just fights, doesn't he? He just comes back.
20:32His whole career, he's fought from being released at Derby to playing in non-league game
20:38and coming back into the league and obviously his health issues and everything.
20:42He just fights back all the time, doesn't he?
20:44So you wouldn't put it past him because he's that sort of player.
20:47He's a fighter on and off the pitch, which is fantastic.
20:53You've got to respect the guy. But at the moment, his form is below the standards.
20:59He's shown time and time again for this football club.
21:02Yeah. One player that won't be around on Saturday, which is very frustrating,
21:07because when I knew he got booked straight away, I thought, the one player you just cannot do is just get booked.
21:14And John Swift, the Leicester, that second half was probably his best 45 minutes,
21:19one of his best 45 minutes in a Pombus shirt. And he's sort of coming back to life.
21:24He's looked sort of reinvigorated as a number 10. He's really impressive.
21:29And then obviously he got booked needlessly in the second half against Coventry.
21:33The game had gone and he got booked.
21:35That ultimately means he's suspended for Saturday, which is a massive blow for Pompey.
21:40Yeah. And then you'd imagine Conor Chaplin would come in in the number 10 role, wouldn't you?
21:44Especially with Segatic out injured.
21:46So he's grown in confidence, you can see with Swift.
21:49He was doing these lovely moves and skills and touches in the centre of midfield on Tuesday night
21:56and barely losing possession when he tried them out, tried them.
21:59So you could see. He's a lovely player to watch at times, actually.
22:03It's just when he does those silly things and he gives the ball away needlessly.
22:08But I was really impressed, wasn't it, Tuesday night, that he was actually producing these skills
22:13and keeping possession of the ball, which is not always the case.
22:17So there was plenty to like about him in that role.
22:20We all know he was not a six. John Massino said it time and time again.
22:24He's playing out of position. It's not his role.
22:27And you think the manager knows this, but he's still playing him here because
22:31Pac's injured and LaRue's being eased in.
22:34So he's back in a more natural attacking position and he looks a completely different player, isn't he?
22:40Which sounds obvious because he is an attacking midfielder.
22:44So, yeah, he's missing now, but it's a chance for Chaplin to get into the position that he plays best.
22:52And we see what he can do. He's improved in the last couple of games, Chaplin.
22:56I thought he had a really good second half the other night.
22:59And it's a more natural habitat for him, isn't it, that position.
23:04So hopefully he can fire in that role.
23:07Who would you put on the right then?
23:09Could we see? Wow.
23:11Is Harvey Blair fit enough?
23:13No, no, he's not.
23:14He's injured.
23:16Massino said he wouldn't start Murphy, didn't he?
23:20So, it might be a bluff, isn't it?
23:23But Murphy's been out a while.
23:24So you imagine being on the bench.
23:25So, the right wing, Biancini, could be, couldn't it?
23:28Another troubled problem for Pompey.
23:30It's been Pompey's troublesome area pretty much the whole season, isn't it?
23:34Isn't it?
23:35You've had Segersich playing out there.
23:36Chaplin's been out there.
23:37Biancini's been out there.
23:39But being Chini as well, it's a funny one because
23:43it has some decent moments in games, doesn't it?
23:45But it's just that final bit.
23:48And I say final bit.
23:49Final delivery and shooting.
23:52He had another good chance, didn't he, the other night?
23:54And he shot well over.
23:55Yeah.
23:56And the Leicester game, and you think the first game of the season
23:59against Oxford, and then you've got his crossing
24:01in that game against Sheffield Wednesday.
24:03It's just that final part to his game.
24:05It's so frustrating, isn't it?
24:07Because it doesn't appear to be there,
24:08whether it's delivery or shooting.
24:12Yeah, it's a really weird one.
24:14But I think in John Swift's absence,
24:17I'm really hoping Conor Chaplin can thrive in his more natural position.
24:22Because other than the Southampton game,
24:24we haven't really seen him in that number 10 role,
24:27that full number 10 role behind the striker.
24:30And at Southampton, he looks really good there.
24:32He's only started there twice for Conor.
24:36Yeah.
24:37Six appearances.
24:39He's also one that really needs a goal to boost his confidence.
24:43Yeah.
24:44You'd hope if he could play in his more natural position on Saturday,
24:48he can take that chance, and he can finally get a goal.
24:50Because if he gets a goal back, that will do his confidence a world...
24:54Yeah, definitely.
24:55But it has improved the last two games.
24:58So you sort of hope it's getting there.
25:00And he said he's a very honest chap, is Conor.
25:03And he said a few weeks ago, in an interview after a game,
25:07that he just needs to adapt.
25:09He's been a regular at Ipswich for a number of years,
25:11and he's a different club, different manager, different position as well.
25:15He's never played that right-sided role before.
25:17So he just needs to adapt and learn, and then it will come good.
25:22So hopefully that will happen.
25:24Not all players can instantly drop in a team and impress like Segesic did.
25:28It can take players a little bit of time.
25:31Yeah.
25:32Is there anything, an update on Segesic?
25:35Anything that...
25:36No, he's still injured, isn't he?
25:37So we don't know anymore.
25:38They used to do a scan.
25:39I think it was going to be yesterday afternoon after the presser.
25:43They will find out the latest in the next few days,
25:46and I imagine we'll know more after the game on Saturday
25:49when we speak to John Massino.
25:50So, yeah, it's a blow, isn't it?
25:52It's a blow, isn't it?
25:53Really disappointing, that one.
25:54It's a really frustrating one, really,
25:56because he's looked at times, especially at the start of the season,
26:00he was a new lease of life,
26:03a new something bright for Pompey going forward,
26:05and he's been on the bench the last four games or something,
26:09four or five games.
26:11It's just a massive blow for him,
26:14just purely because of the attack and threat he can bring to Pompey's side.
26:19Yeah, it's something you can rely on on the bench as well.
26:21You get the feeling there's some of those players that the manager
26:25doesn't quite trust at the moment, isn't it, really?
26:28Hence for them not playing from game to game,
26:30and suddenly appear and they go back to the bench.
26:32But the stage is always an option from the bench.
26:35You bring him on, don't you, every game?
26:36Because you know he can have an impact.
26:38So, it's a real blow for Pompey, that one, isn't it?
26:42Yeah.
26:43We'll wrap it up then.
26:44We'll put about 25 minutes in.
26:46Obviously, Pompey are in the midst.
26:4825 minutes?
26:49Yeah.
26:5025 minutes in.
26:51Wow.
26:52It's flown by.
26:53Not for the viewers, no doubt.
26:55If you were John Messino then, obviously Pompey are in the midst of a triple game week,
27:02three games in eight days almost.
27:04Would you freshen it up on Saturday or would you stick with that same 11 that battled hard
27:10against Leicester and then went right to the end against Coventry on Saturday?
27:14Could you see Pompey bringing in the likes of like, maybe Hayden Matthews, Terry Devlin,
27:19maybe some of those fringe players or do you think he'd stick with that?
27:22Well, it depends on injuries as well, doesn't it?
27:25Williams could be back as well, Murphy.
27:27It depends on physically how the players are after that midweek game as well.
27:32You've got to assess them and I'm sure Marlon Pack will be okay, but they might have not.
27:36So, you might need to assess that.
27:38Pompey finished strongly against Coventry.
27:41They were a bit ragged, weren't they, with all the subs and everything,
27:43but they did finish strongly.
27:45So, they didn't suggest that the players were struggling physically there.
27:51So, yeah, it's an interesting one.
27:54And again, it's about trust.
27:56Does he trust the players to rotate them?
27:59But obviously, he'd make one change with Swiss defenders.
28:03There's one.
28:05So, Chapin will go there.
28:07You'd imagine then who's on the right and what's he do with Bishop.
28:10So, there's a few things to consider there anyway.
28:13Yeah.
28:14Plenty of questions and we will find out Saturday lunchtime.
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28:21But you can join us there.
28:23And thank you for joining us in today's episode.
28:26We'll talk.
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