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03:13but also a bit of a design qualification as well.
03:16So the drinks pairing this week...
03:18Is...
03:19And it's a bit of the show that I'm really enjoying and getting into.
03:22I've gone simple, because Scandinavian design tends to be simplistic.
03:27I've gone for a Viking mead.
03:29Oh yeah.
03:30Okay.
03:31Three ingredients.
03:32Honey, water, yeast.
03:35Cheers.
03:36Cheers.
03:39Nice.
03:40It's instantly addictive.
03:41Good for a sore throat.
03:43Fantastic.
03:43It's a little bit like, you know, honey, whiskey and lemon, isn't it?
03:46You know when you have honey in hot water and that kind of thing,
03:48there's always a slightly cloying quality to honey after you've drunk.
03:52Do you know what I mean?
03:52Not here.
03:54That's been removed.
03:55Also, it's quite celebratory.
03:56You know, a sort of Viking celebration.
03:58You have a big drinking horn.
04:00That's what the episode is, actually.
04:01Yes, there's a lot of sadness within it,
04:03but there's lots of celebration as well,
04:05because they built this wonderful house that was an emblem of their love.
04:09And Melina's living in it and has the beautiful memories of Pep throughout.
04:12I've got to go back because I would like to take her a bottle of meat
04:15and I would like to toast Pep in a giant drinking horn, you know,
04:19and that would be the way to come,
04:20because that's what that big space is for.
04:22It's a hall for celebration.
04:24And it's a place where you remember, of course,
04:26and where you pay tribute to your brave heroes
04:29who've lost their lives in battle,
04:31who've gone to Valhalla.
04:32And, yeah, that's Pep.
04:35We didn't film it, of course, because we gave Melina some respect,
04:38but it was a very beautiful idea that, for the funeral,
04:41they brought her body in her wicker basket
04:43and placed it in the middle of the hall.
04:45And I love it sort of using the building,
04:48as buildings are meant to be used,
04:50not simply for watching television in or cooking or eating,
04:53but actually for celebrating, remembering.
04:55But also welcoming in all the colours of life into the house,
04:59because they're inevitable.
05:01Death is part of life, very sadly,
05:03but that's the bit of the episode that I'm sure a lot of you,
05:05as me included, started tearing up,
05:07because it's a beautiful thing.
05:09Yeah, not just you, but everybody on the team.
05:11I mean, you know, we all well up watching it
05:13because you spend time with these people
05:16and you get to know them
05:17and you become enmeshed, in a way, in their lives.
05:21And, you know, their stories,
05:23our protagonists, our heroes, our self-builders,
05:25they're not just the subjects of the programmes we make
05:29because we spend sometimes years in their company.
05:32They become part of our world and vice versa.
05:35And in fact, without that,
05:36I don't think we would have the opportunity to make films
05:39which are as intimate as they are
05:41because you understand the people
05:44that little bit better, I think, with time.
05:46Two big Nordic principles feature prominently in this episode.
05:51Hygge, which is sort of cosy,
05:52and lagom, which is just enough.
05:56Hygge, it's an idea about balance and restraint,
05:59but also, you know, beautiful materials
06:01and it's comfortable and it's really reassuring.
06:04And then this idea of lagom,
06:06which I could try and explain that principle,
06:09well, through the medium of mead.
06:11So...
06:11Please.
06:13That mead there, right, is three things you say.
06:15There's honey, there's water and there's yeast, right?
06:18So it's not complicated, not as complicated as beer.
06:20And there's something magical gone on there
06:22that actually creates something
06:24which is super moorish and really reassuring
06:26and feels crafted,
06:28but actually it's made from very simple things.
06:30And this is the thing that Danish furniture designers have,
06:34to recognise the maximum potential
06:37that a piece of wood has
06:38in terms of what it can do for you, you know?
06:41So suddenly that placemat is more beautiful somehow,
06:45has more energy in it, more...
06:47And I can't quite explain it,
06:49except I think it's in the people.
06:50I think it's in the makers and in the craftspeople
06:52that they're all trained to work with these materials
06:54and they've got quite a limited palette
06:56of available materials, timber being one of them.
06:59I suspect that's where it comes from.
07:00I think we should talk more about Scandinavian design.
07:03Why is it so attractive?
07:03Why am I so drawn to it?
07:05Why are people so interested in this?
07:07And why is it so calming?
07:08I met Mark Isidt,
07:10who is the half-Swedish presenter
07:12of the Swedish series of Grand Designs,
07:15broadcast in Swedish.
07:17He said to me,
07:18well, the thing about the Swedes,
07:19first of all,
07:20is that if you mention the word design to them,
07:22they go all suspicious.
07:24They're not quite sure
07:25that design is necessarily a good thing
07:27because they're so rational.
07:28And he said the word grand,
07:30they just roll their eyes at that.
07:32But I'm a massive fan, by the way.
07:34I just want to flag that up.
07:35I buy, you know,
07:38old Swedish bits of wood and Danish stuff
07:40because I find it so comfortable to sit in.
07:45It feels as though it's been designed for human beings.
07:47Also the colour palettes as well.
07:48So it's pastel, it's greys, it's beige.
07:52Traditionally, people would say quite boring colours,
07:55but they're not.
07:55And the shapes can be angular,
07:57but at the same time sort of rounded and feel soft.
08:00They fit the hand,
08:01they fit the shape of the human.
08:02There's also something in the colour palette
08:05which is to do with the fact
08:06that the long nights, the low cloud.
08:09So I think it relates very well to the British climate,
08:12to the grey skies we have,
08:14to the blue light we have here.
08:15And the dark.
08:16And the dark for some of the year.
08:18We shouldn't forget Scandinavian furniture
08:19and ideas were being imported
08:21into this country in the 1960s.
08:23The influence of Scandinavia
08:24on British furniture making
08:25in the 1950s and 60s was massive.
08:28I've got a chair by a guy called Ingvar Ekstrom.
08:31It's called the lamino chair.
08:33It looks very simple,
08:34but it's actually very intricate in its construction,
08:37laminating bits of oak together.
08:39It's supremely comfortable with a flex,
08:41fantastic engineering in the timber
08:43so that it moves with your body.
08:45Where is it in the house?
08:46It actually lives in more than one room
08:48because I move it around.
08:49Do you?
08:50Yeah, I like to sit in it, yeah.
08:52So in different times of the year,
08:54it'll be in that room or that room.
08:55Yeah, it's my immersive bath
08:57in Scandinavian design, that chair.
09:00But I also guess that things like Ikea
09:02have democratised Scandi living
09:05and buying furniture and things
09:07on a mass market level.
09:09Yeah, and Ikea has been an amazing
09:10entry-level route in
09:12to understanding Scandinavian design
09:14and thinking, I love that.
09:15We've talked about Scandi design.
09:17I would love to talk about the pressures
09:19of building when there's such
09:21an emotional attachment
09:23because Pep got her diagnosis
09:25and she knew that she didn't have
09:27that long left wanting to get on with this,
09:29but also wanted to enjoy the process.
09:31That's a very difficult thing
09:32to balance, isn't it?
09:33It is.
09:34And the glorious circumstance
09:38around that is that she was driving it.
09:41It was Pep herself saying,
09:44I want to do this.
09:44This is going to keep me alive longer.
09:46This is going to keep me focused
09:47and energised.
09:48And Pep came to the project
09:49with a reputation as a project manager.
09:52Pep herself saying,
09:53I have never delivered a project
09:55over budget and not on time.
09:58I love that.
09:59She seemed to get annoyed
10:00when she had to go and have blood tests.
10:02She went, no, no, no,
10:03I'm building a house here.
10:04I was watching Pep
10:05and I thought, I completely get that
10:07because you want to keep your brain busy
10:09and actually, what a lovely distraction
10:11for both of them.
10:12And with the Scandi dream,
10:14you can declutter the world
10:15by focusing on a project like this.
10:16Absolutely.
10:17You could see in our conversations with them
10:21that they found a huge amount of positivity
10:23in the building process
10:24and in the day-to-day of that
10:26and the distraction of things happening.
10:28And it is a distracting process.
10:31It is creative.
10:31When you're watching a building go up,
10:33you see people behind a vision
10:35wanting to kind of make something real
10:37and tangible out of something
10:38which is only an idea.
10:40That is really compelling.
10:41It's creating.
10:42Yeah.
10:43And it's fulfilling to do that.
10:45It's the best thing you can do
10:46with your brain is to make something
10:47that wasn't there before
10:48and I guess that's what Pep
10:49and Melina were doing with this.
10:51In terms of the atmosphere on site,
10:54did you notice an even bigger focus
10:56and more important focus than usual?
10:58Not just a deadline of,
11:00we want to be in by Christmas,
11:01but life is short here.
11:03Look, you might expect the mood
11:04to have been a little sombre,
11:05a little maudlin,
11:06a little quiet perhaps,
11:07but it wasn't.
11:07Everybody was just focused
11:09on doing their job
11:09as well as they could.
11:10Everybody knew there was
11:12no room for slackers.
11:13There was no dead weight
11:14to be carried here.
11:15This was about delivering
11:17a single vision,
11:18a single purpose.
11:18So it was glorious
11:19because everybody bought into it.
11:21What happened was something
11:22that you pray for on a project,
11:23on any project,
11:24is that single-minded,
11:27common purpose,
11:28that shared drive.
11:30And it was beautiful to see.
11:32The Viking spirit.
11:33Should we drink to it?
11:34Oh God, let's do that.
11:35We'll drink to it.
11:36We'll have an ad break.
11:37Let's drink to Melina and to Pep.
11:39And then we're going to get Melina on.
11:41Oh, let's do that.
11:41See you soon.
11:45Welcome back to Grand Designs Deconstructed
11:54with me, Greg James,
11:55and the great Kevin MacLeod.
11:57Thank you, Greg.
11:58You're too sweet.
11:59Bit like that mead.
12:00Yeah.
12:00We are discussing
12:01the fantastic Surrey Hills episode.
12:04You forget that it's the Surrey Hills
12:05because we're talking so much
12:06about Scandinavia
12:07and beautiful Danish design
12:09and everything.
12:10But we're talking about
12:10the story of Pep and Melina.
12:12and should we chat to Melina?
12:14Oh, come on.
12:15I love doing this.
12:17We are going to be beaming live
12:18into the Viking house.
12:19Into the Viking world?
12:22Melina.
12:22Hi.
12:23Hi, Kevin.
12:23Thank you so much
12:24for being on Deconstructed
12:26from your beautiful long house
12:28in the Surrey Hills.
12:29It's an amazing build.
12:31And thank you for sharing
12:32the story with everyone, Melina.
12:34How have you settled
12:35into the house now?
12:35A few months in,
12:36does it feel like yours
12:37and does it feel like
12:38you can own it?
12:39Yes, it does actually.
12:40I've given myself a bit of time
12:41just to being in the house
12:43and getting used to it.
12:44And I find it extremely peaceful here
12:46and it's very quiet inside
12:48and you're in the middle of a meadow
12:50and it's been good for the soul.
12:53And yeah, I'm loving it.
12:54I still can't believe
12:56that I'm living in it.
12:57But yeah, it's been difficult
12:58at times, of course,
12:59because Pep is not here with me.
13:02But I feel she's with me
13:04here in spirit
13:05and that she also spent
13:07a lot of time in the house
13:08before it was finished,
13:09you know, pretending
13:10that she was in the bath
13:12or in the bedroom
13:13and she wanted me
13:14to sort of pretend
13:15I was cooking
13:15by the kitchen iron
13:17before it was even here.
13:18And it's those little memories
13:20that I have with me.
13:21I think everybody,
13:23when they're building,
13:24they move through
13:24the semi-finished space
13:25and imagine themselves
13:26doing things,
13:27imagine what it would be like here.
13:29And the memory of that
13:30and that conversation
13:31makes her presence,
13:32as it were,
13:33a little bit more recent,
13:34a bit more powerful
13:35for having shared
13:36that experience, yeah.
13:37You know, when the workmen
13:38were not here at weekends
13:39or in the evenings,
13:40we used to sneak down here
13:41like two naughty girls,
13:43you know, kind of,
13:44you know,
13:45having a little,
13:46you know, party down here
13:47and talking about each room
13:49and, yeah,
13:50it's just a nice memory.
13:51Do you think she'd be proud
13:52of how you became
13:54the project manager
13:55because that was so
13:55her department?
13:57Do you think she'd look down
13:57and go,
13:58yeah, you've nailed this?
13:59I think she'd be extremely happy
14:01with the outcome of everything.
14:03And also,
14:03we had already agreed
14:05that she would project
14:06manage the outside
14:07and that I would be sort of
14:08more taking the lead
14:09on the inside of the house.
14:11So to be honest,
14:12Pep had already chosen materials
14:14and suppliers
14:15and everything.
14:15So it was almost natural
14:17for me to take over
14:18at that point
14:19because I was sort of
14:20doing my bit
14:21of the house build.
14:22I've never been there at night.
14:24I'd like to know
14:25what it's like
14:25because by day,
14:26it glows
14:27with all this light
14:28spilling in
14:29from the side windows
14:30under that big white tent
14:32of a ceiling.
14:33What's it like
14:34when those windows
14:35turn dark?
14:36Well, it's absolutely wonderful
14:37because we lived
14:39on the land
14:39for 19 years.
14:41Pep and I,
14:41we knew, you know,
14:42where the stars are,
14:43where the moon is,
14:44where the sun rises.
14:45So we designed the house
14:47that from the bedroom,
14:48you can actually lie in bed
14:49and you can watch
14:50the full moon.
14:51Pep really liked
14:51the full moon.
14:52I can lie in bed
14:53and see the stars
14:54and you can sort of see,
14:55you know,
14:55the shades of the trees
14:57in the background,
14:58in the moonlight.
14:59It's still a bit overwhelming,
15:01if I'm honest,
15:02to experience it.
15:04It's really beautiful
15:05and we were talking
15:06earlier on in the episode
15:07about hygge
15:07and about that feeling
15:09of being cosy.
15:10You'll give me
15:11a proper definition,
15:12I'm sure, Melina,
15:13but does it feel
15:14like it's warming you up
15:15as it gets colder outside?
15:17Does it feel like
15:17it's looking after you,
15:18the house?
15:19Yeah, because I've been
15:19thinking a lot about hygge
15:21and hygge,
15:21there are so many dimensions
15:23to hygge
15:23and, you know,
15:24it's just not one
15:24particular thing
15:25but it's also about
15:26how you feel.
15:28It's kind of difficult
15:29to explain
15:29but it's about
15:30feeling just right
15:32and kind of sharing.
15:34The house,
15:34it breathes,
15:35it's very beautifully
15:36and elegantly
15:37and quite minimally furnished
15:38in the spirit of
15:39La Gomme.
15:40Yeah.
15:41And I wonder
15:42if that's changed you,
15:43I wonder if it's made you
15:44a slightly tidier person.
15:45How relaxed are you
15:46in the building?
15:47This is really what,
15:48you know,
15:49Pep and I always wanted.
15:50You know,
15:50we weren't people
15:50who had a lot
15:51of material stuff
15:52but although,
15:53of course,
15:53after life together,
15:54we were together
15:55for 37 years,
15:56you do acquire stuff.
15:57So this is just exactly
15:58how really Pep
16:00and I always wanted
16:00to live,
16:01just live like
16:01a simple life.
16:02So Pep was determined
16:03to clear the house out
16:04as well as building a house.
16:06Actually,
16:07one of the things
16:07I loved about this episode
16:08is it not only made me realise
16:10that I wanted to live
16:10in a house,
16:11maybe with Kevin
16:12in a long house one day,
16:13it also refocused
16:15my own opinions on love
16:17and where you want to live,
16:19the fragility of life
16:20and how wonderful it was
16:22that you decided
16:23to tell this story
16:24and I love the spirit,
16:26not only that the house has,
16:27but that you and Pep
16:28had towards life.
16:30I thought it was
16:30life-affirming.
16:31Oh, I love it.
16:32This house,
16:32which is an emblem
16:33of your love,
16:34is still standing there
16:35and you're in it
16:35and it's such
16:36a beautiful story.
16:37I feel very proud of it
16:38if I'm honest.
16:39I think that it shows
16:41our dream
16:42and the things
16:43we went through
16:43through the filming
16:44and it's a lovely
16:45bit of history
16:47to have for the future.
16:50Well, I really,
16:51really want to thank you
16:53for allowing us
16:54to quietly walk along
16:57with you on your journey
16:59and for the privilege
17:00of meeting Pep
17:01and experiencing her energy.
17:03Yeah, and I thought
17:04that both yourself
17:05and the team
17:05have done it
17:07in an extremely sensitive way
17:08and, yeah,
17:09I'm delighted
17:10with the end result of it.
17:12I mean, it was a complete
17:13and utter delight
17:15and an absolute privilege
17:16to record your story
17:18and to get to know you both
17:19and I won't ever forget it.
17:21It was an extraordinary experience
17:23for all of us, I think.
17:24So, thank you, Melina.
17:25Love to hear that.
17:25Oh, and you built
17:26a great house, by the way,
17:27as well.
17:27Yeah, well,
17:28I mean,
17:28the whole house
17:29is really kind of
17:30reflects, you know,
17:31me and Pep as people
17:32and, you know,
17:33again, the Nordic-ness,
17:35you know,
17:35about understated simplicity.
17:38But for Pep especially,
17:39it was all about sustainability
17:41and sort of the Nordic way
17:43of living
17:43is also very sustainable
17:45because when I say
17:46understated simplicity,
17:48it means that you have less,
17:49but you buy quality
17:51and that means
17:52that you don't have
17:53to replace,
17:54you know,
17:54it's not like
17:55a short-term thing
17:55that, you know,
17:56you buy a new sofa
17:57or you buy a new chair
17:58in a year's time
17:59and the other one
17:59goes to landfill
18:00and Pep felt very strong
18:02about that.
18:02You're creating something
18:04that's sustainable,
18:05but also for,
18:06you know,
18:06for long term.
18:07It's putting craft
18:08right in the middle,
18:09isn't it?
18:09And also,
18:10I think obviously
18:10Pepsi really wanted
18:11this to be her legacy
18:13and I think it's
18:13a wonderful thing to have
18:15that we will all
18:15long be gone,
18:16but, you know,
18:17Nordic Barn
18:18will still be here,
18:19hopefully.
18:19Isn't that a lovely soul?
18:20We've all got to be
18:21more Pep in our outlook.
18:22Yeah, I think we've all
18:23got to be more Pep
18:24and Molina.
18:24Yeah, absolutely.
18:26Well, I love that quote,
18:27when you chop a tree down,
18:28you don't build
18:29a bigger house,
18:30you build a bigger table.
18:31Yeah.
18:32That's the spirit.
18:33That's a great,
18:34great quote.
18:34That's a good one.
18:35That's a good quote.
18:35Yeah, that's excellent.
18:36It's good to see you
18:38so at home
18:39in that building
18:40and I'd love to come
18:41and see you again soon.
18:42Yeah, you're very welcome.
18:44I'd love for you
18:44to come and visit again.
18:45Bless you.
18:46That would be wonderful.
18:47Yeah, I'd love to show you
18:48the house
18:49kind of lived in.
18:50Yeah.
18:51Hey, listen,
18:51we've raised a glass
18:52to Pep and to you.
18:53Thank you.
18:54And all the best.
18:55We can go again if you like.
18:56Let's go again.
18:56We've got some Viking mead here,
18:58Melina.
18:58Oh, lovely.
18:59Okay.
19:00Melina, to you and Pep.
19:01Give us a phrase.
19:02Oh, excellent.
19:03What's cheers?
19:03Give us a cheers.
19:04Skål.
19:05Skål.
19:05Skål.
19:06Skål.
19:06Yeah, Skål.
19:10Melina, thank you so much
19:11for your time.
19:11We'll see you soon.
19:12Thank you very much.
19:13Loved to talk to you.
19:14And to you.
19:14And to you.
19:15Bye.
19:15Bye.
19:17Fantastic.
19:17I'm so jealous of that house.
19:20It's so nice.
19:21The Scandi design
19:22is something
19:22that I've always loved.
19:23Just naturally,
19:24I've just always been
19:25interested in it
19:25and I would love to think
19:27that one day
19:27I will live in
19:28something like that.
19:30I don't know
19:30if it will be with my wife
19:31because that's not
19:32her thing at all.
19:33Maybe living apart
19:34is the thing
19:34that will keep us together forever.
19:35That building is designed
19:36so that you can have
19:37two people living
19:37at opposite ends
19:38if need be, you know.
19:39Yeah, but the other end
19:39of the house
19:40would have to be
19:40a sort of
19:41Georgian terrace house
19:42and then I get to have
19:43the Scandi house.
19:44With cornices.
19:44Yeah, basically.
19:45She wants lovely
19:46old fireplaces.
19:47But anyway,
19:48Kevin, let's have some questions
19:49from our wonderful
19:50listeners and viewers.
19:51Really amazing
19:52that people are bothering
19:53to listen and watch this.
19:54No, I mean,
19:55people are busy
19:56and there's lots to watch,
19:56isn't there?
19:57Yeah, there is.
19:57There's lots to tune into
19:58and lots of content
19:59to access these days.
20:01Amanda's in New Zealand,
20:02okay,
20:03and she says,
20:03how many houses
20:04are you filming in a year
20:06or a season
20:07and some take years
20:08to complete?
20:08How are you keeping tabs
20:09on it all?
20:10Yeah, so Amanda,
20:11we have to turn
20:11that question on its head.
20:13Much like in New Zealand,
20:14upside down.
20:14Yes, indeed.
20:15Actually, this is how they
20:16shoot the series
20:17in New Zealand
20:18and in Australia
20:18and Sweden
20:19where it's also made.
20:21At any one time,
20:22we might have between
20:2320 and 30 projects
20:24on the go.
20:26Wow.
20:27I mean, literally,
20:27I started one yesterday
20:28and I started one
20:29the day before.
20:30Where did you start
20:30yesterday's one?
20:31Give us an exclusive.
20:31Yesterday in South London,
20:32in Lewisham.
20:33Lewisham,
20:33that's where I was born.
20:35And the day before
20:35you were in Suffolk.
20:37Coastal?
20:38Near,
20:38but very much agricultural.
20:40Lovely.
20:41So without getting
20:41into the weeds,
20:42any one time,
20:43on the go
20:44with 20 projects,
20:4530 projects.
20:47As we get to the spring,
20:49we're having
20:49lots of conversations.
20:50Well, do you think
20:51I'll get it done by today?
20:52What about if we,
20:53do you think
20:54that's going to work?
20:55Is that going to get
20:55the roof on or not?
20:56And the beautiful thing is
20:59we have a wonderful channel
21:00who do not say,
21:02we will have eight.
21:04We try and generate
21:06and produce a season
21:07out of the crop
21:08we have coming forward.
21:09So we've seen
21:09what's maturing
21:10in the veg patch.
21:11Is that ready to crop yet?
21:13So it involves
21:14quite a statement of faith.
21:15You've got to sort of believe
21:16that it's going to,
21:17you know,
21:17keep going.
21:18I've got to say,
21:19it's a genius show
21:20for many reasons.
21:21Yeah.
21:21But also,
21:22you're uncancellable,
21:23especially if you've got
21:24some poor people
21:25hanging on from 2012
21:27who are going,
21:28we finished it, Kev.
21:30And you're like,
21:31I'm sorry,
21:31we were decommissioned
21:3210 years ago.
21:33It's amazing.
21:33You can't ever be finished.
21:35Imagine making the phone call
21:35to them saying,
21:36we're not making any more,
21:37so we're not going
21:38to come again.
21:39Bye.
21:39See ya.
21:40That would be terrible.
21:41What's the oldest episode
21:43that hasn't gone out yet,
21:44if that makes sense?
21:45I think the oldest one
21:46we've got on the books
21:47is from 2016.
21:49But then you see,
21:50we then go back
21:51and visit projects
21:52from much earlier.
21:54We revisited the very first episode
21:57we ever filmed
21:58a couple of years ago.
21:59So all of the projects
22:02are still on the books,
22:03bizarrely.
22:04They're still there.
22:04They're still in our lives.
22:05And the lovely thing
22:07about going back
22:07and seeing people
22:07is measuring the passage of time
22:10through trees and children.
22:13Those are the two metrics
22:15of how time passes on buildings.
22:16Well, it's great news
22:17for fans of Grand Designs
22:18and it's great news for me
22:19because the podcast
22:20could also go on
22:20forever and ever.
22:21Yeah, I don't know
22:22how many we've got now.
22:23I've stopped counting.
22:23There must be
22:24two or three hundred
22:24projects out there.
22:25Fantastic news for me.
22:27And for me, Greg.
22:31Kevin, thank you.
22:32It's been a pleasure again.
22:34I love doing this.
22:35I love it too.
22:36For me, it's therapy.
22:37I think I've said that.
22:38I'm very happy
22:38to be your therapist.
22:39The Grand Designs Therapist
22:40will return next week
22:43on Deconstructed.
22:44Thanks for watching
22:45slash listening.
22:46Goodbye
22:46slash good night
22:47slash good morning.
22:49Go away.
22:50Thanks for joining us again.
22:52You can come back next week,
22:53watch Grand Designs,
22:54watch us here
22:55in this podcast afterwards
22:57and follow us also
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23:00and listen again
23:01to the podcast
23:02on Spotify.
23:03You can also access
23:05pretty well
23:05all of the Grand Designs
23:06we've ever made
23:07on the Channel 4 site
23:09and watch selected episodes
23:11on YouTube as well.
23:12So much.
23:14We'll see you next week.
23:15We'll see you next week.
23:15Bye.
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