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04:27Hãy subscribe cho Abiy and Marcus and the timber
04:30which was sourced from near their house
04:31to build their house.
04:32Oh, hugely.
04:33I mean, we see Marcus foraging for trees.
04:36He goes and finds the right ones,
04:38the right shape, the right length.
04:39He's then processing, cutting, milling,
04:42leaving them to dry and then building with them.
04:44And it's glorious.
04:45We see the cycle from tree to house
04:47on the same patch of land.
04:49I love that.
04:49And the difference, of course,
04:50between the planks, the floorboard
04:52and the standing tree,
04:54the difference between them is human energy
04:56and craftsmanship.
04:56And at one point, Marcus says, doesn't he?
04:58He says, I have felled this.
05:00I have dried it.
05:01I have sawn it.
05:01I have planed it.
05:02I have brought it up.
05:03I've cut it to length.
05:04I've positioned it.
05:05Now I've got to bloody well oil it
05:06and polish the thing, you know?
05:09When I was watching this one,
05:10the reason I say it's one of my favourite ever
05:11is because if I was going to do a Grand Designs,
05:13I'd want to do something like this.
05:14And I go, it's outdoors.
05:16It's completely opposite to my life currently.
05:18It's a real escapism.
05:19It's off grid.
05:21It's creative and slightly wacky.
05:23And there's no plan.
05:24And the budget is tiny.
05:25and sort of against all the odds.
05:27But who cares?
05:28We're just going to do a really lovely thing
05:29and sort of return to nature.
05:31So yeah, let's talk about the one planet development.
05:33What is this?
05:34What's going on here?
05:35So for this, we rewind 20 years
05:37and a little booklet produced by WWF UK
05:41and a charity called BioRegional
05:43describing how, as a planet,
05:46we use our Earth's resources
05:48at a rate which is unsustainable.
05:50So at the rate of consumption that we currently have,
05:54we need one and a half planets.
05:56But actually in the UK,
05:57we need, just for our lifestyle,
05:58two and a half planets.
06:00The argument therefore runs
06:01that we need to be conserving our resources, right?
06:04And the lovely thing about one planet development
06:06is that it takes that philosophy
06:07and it makes it real.
06:09It makes it into a planning policy
06:10that helps people move towards those goals.
06:13All these things which now have formed part
06:14of the United Nations development goals, right?
06:16So it all started with one planet living, really.
06:18There are 53 of these projects
06:21and the policy's been around since 2010
06:22and that's so few.
06:24But it's very hard to do though, right?
06:25It's incredibly hard to do
06:27because it's one thing to build a house.
06:28It's another to change your life
06:30and your lifestyle as you're building
06:32and then commit to a five-year deadline
06:34for those changes to take effect.
06:36So you need to be really kind of committed
06:37and quite hardcore about that.
06:39I mean, also the other thing here
06:40is that we saw Abby and Marcus
06:41who are members of a food-growing cooperative,
06:44you know, already kind of engaging
06:46with growing their own food.
06:47And of course, if you're living in a three-bedroom semi
06:49and you're trying to retrofit that
06:51to this kind of standard,
06:52you'd be calling into question
06:53how you live, what you do for a living
06:55and how the kids get to school, all that stuff.
06:58It can sort of blow your mind.
06:59I mean, on top of that,
07:00you're trying to build a house, right?
07:02So it's amazing that anybody even follows it.
07:04But what it's doing is showing its examples
07:06and the reason I love this film so much
07:08is that we can see how we ought to be living
07:1220, 30 years from now, all of us.
07:14Well, it's inspirational as well
07:16because you watch that and you think,
07:18okay, well, I can't possibly make
07:20all those changes now, today.
07:22It's a good example of changing little bits of your life
07:25and actually just trying that out.
07:26And actually, if everyone just changed
07:27a little something, you go,
07:28oh, actually, that's okay.
07:29I can compromise there.
07:30I can compromise here.
07:31They're setting a great example for all of us.
07:34So do you want to buy a bit of woodland now
07:36and build a shack and get a chainsaw?
07:38I was sort of horrified that after five years
07:41of sorting out their grand design,
07:42they're still being audited.
07:44But I have to say, having traveled around Europe
07:46and seen how people do it elsewhere,
07:48that idea of auditing is something
07:50that Europeans find really normal.
07:52It's just the British find it really weird.
07:54Look, we move into homes and we control the heating
07:57by turning everything up to full
07:58and then opening the windows.
07:59Right, that's not passing the audit.
08:00It's certainly not,
08:01but it is a very British way of thinking.
08:03Now, the targets, I was really fascinated
08:04to learn about these targets that they have to hit.
08:0765% of the household's basic needs
08:09must come from the land.
08:1165% is vastly more than most people.
08:13Food, water, energy and income.
08:15Yeah.
08:15The majority of that income
08:17should be generated from the land.
08:18Yeah.
08:19Buildings should be built from local materials
08:20and should be off grid
08:21and be very low carbon to run.
08:23And then emissions in general limit your travel
08:25and your fossil fuel use as well.
08:29That's the hard one
08:30because it's all very well having an electric car.
08:32but if you've got a family, you've got kids,
08:35you know, as a household, you've got a responsibility.
08:38And so you've got to inculcate the whole family
08:40into this kind of new philosophy,
08:41this new way of living and thinking,
08:43I think it's hard for kids.
08:44It's hard because of the social pressures
08:46from friends and so on.
08:47And even as adults, you talk to your mates,
08:49where are you getting on holiday?
08:50I'm going to Lanzarote.
08:51Okay, how are you getting there?
08:52Well, we're going to swim.
08:53Horse.
08:54We joke about it,
08:55but actually reducing our carbon footprint
08:57individually as households
08:59is really, really important.
09:00I have to say, however,
09:01The Climate Change Committee said
09:03that individual households
09:05can affect about 20% of their total carbon footprint,
09:08but that it's up to government and policy and business
09:11to change the other 80%.
09:13But I think it's incumbent upon us all
09:15to try and do what we can
09:16for what we are responsible for.
09:17So not only are there loads of targets they have to hit,
09:20they have to do a huge planning document
09:22and then they get audited five years later.
09:24But actually, when that's all sorted,
09:26building in woodland is very difficult in itself.
09:28I mean, literally,
09:29it's making a rod for your own back, isn't it?
09:31Because on the one hand,
09:32that's how they're going to make a living
09:33is using the woodland,
09:35but that means they've got to build in the woodland as well.
09:37Marcus, of course, is brilliant with timber,
09:39as is Simon, his business partner.
09:40So you see them kind of wrangling this thing
09:42and seeing this building emerge from Marcus's head,
09:45as it were, you know, with very few drawings.
09:47That's the thing I really related to with Marcus.
09:49Yeah, medieval way of building.
09:50Well, it's not medieval,
09:51it's just wouldn't be able to concentrate
09:52to do the plans and I can't draw.
09:54So I go, I think maybe that there,
09:56this there, and that could be nice,
09:57and maybe the roof like that.
09:59And I loved that.
10:00It was really free.
10:01At the same time as building to really high standards.
10:04So he's got super insulated walls
10:06and he's got mechanical ventilation.
10:07So he's kind of had to make it all airtight.
10:10And it's complicated.
10:11It's technical.
10:11I think with Simon's help, you know,
10:12Simon's very much the detail man.
10:14I think that the pair of them
10:15are fantastic design partners.
10:17Yeah.
10:17Off-grid living.
10:19Could you do it?
10:19Well, yes, because when you think about
10:21what off-grid is,
10:23it means that you're not connected to the services.
10:25So it's quite specific.
10:26Like you've got your own power, solar.
10:28You've got your own sewage.
10:29Okay, so you put in a reed bed.
10:31You might be lucky enough to have a well
10:32or a water supply.
10:33And you build in such a way
10:34that you're super insulated
10:35so your energy consumption really reduces.
10:37So all of that is entirely doable.
10:39The great difficulty comes
10:41in moving towards the one planet position.
10:43And Wales has this massive objective
10:46of trying to, in the next 25 years,
10:49get to a position where they are meeting
10:52one planet objectives as a nation.
10:54I don't know how you do that,
10:55but it's something to aim for.
10:57Kevin, it's time for adverts.
10:58And I want you to show me the ways.
11:00How do I get into the ad break
11:02in the grand design style?
11:04It's always with suspense.
11:05Okay.
11:05So it might be,
11:06the windows were meant to be here last week.
11:09The windows were meant to be here last week.
11:12And whenever Janine phones the company,
11:15no one picks up.
11:16And whenever Janine phones the company,
11:19no one picks up.
11:22That's it.
11:22See you in a minute.
11:33Welcome back to Grand Designs Deconstructed.
11:35Let's keep chatting.
11:37Kevin, I want to speak to Marcus and Abby now,
11:39if that's all right with you.
11:40Oh yeah, no, of course.
11:41Glasses on, please.
11:43Got them on.
11:44There they are.
11:45Hello.
11:45Marcus, Abby.
11:46Hi.
11:47What is it like in your beautiful woodland house?
11:50It's amazing.
11:51We did it.
11:51We survived.
11:53We're living there.
11:54We did it.
11:55I was exhausted by the end,
11:56but we've had time to relax into it, enjoy it.
11:59Yeah, I still get the feeling like coming down the drive now
12:02and you see it and you go,
12:03oh, that's a really nice house.
12:04Who lives there?
12:04And you sort of, then you remember,
12:05oh, it's my house.
12:06Especially when the fairy lights are on in the night.
12:09It just feels lovely to come back to.
12:11It's a lovely feeling.
12:12What a wonderful summary.
12:14That's the nicest feeling.
12:15Yeah.
12:15Oh, I'd love to live there.
12:17Oh, wait, I do.
12:18Because you can talk about the one planet development policy
12:21and green eco living and the idea of selfless sustainability,
12:26but actually in amongst all of that,
12:29really important is the romance of this house and where it is.
12:33And I think that's such an important thing
12:34because it reminds you what matters when we build.
12:37Well, that's why I was immediately hooked into this episode
12:40and thought this is a bit of me.
12:42This is on course to becoming an all-time classic
12:44and I do think it's an all-time classic episode of Grand Designs
12:47and I've watched every single one of them many, many times
12:49and I love your house.
12:50I'm incredibly jealous of it as well.
12:52You say that to me.
12:53He's telling the truth.
12:54You know, off camera, Greg's been kind of eulogising this project.
12:57I think he's trying to move in.
12:59Yes.
13:00Well, actually, look, you've teed me up perfectly.
13:02Would it be weird if I came round for an outside bath at some point?
13:05Of course you can, yeah.
13:07I mean, I love a bath.
13:08That outside bath looks unbelievable.
13:10Is it big enough for you?
13:11Greg's seven foot nine, right?
13:13So a long bath?
13:13I can't remember.
13:14Make it L-shaped so I can fold around.
13:16All of that.
13:17I do recommend the outside bath.
13:19It is like one of the things that kind of stayed with the,
13:22we had a little tester kind of offered living for a couple of years.
13:25There was some great stuff, but it was hard work,
13:27but the outside bath was just like one thing we wanted to keep.
13:30And yeah, just when you...
13:31I like to sit on there with the phone app that tells you all the birds as well.
13:35Sit in the bath and you go, oh, there was a...
13:36Oh, lovely.
13:37Goldcrest and all, yeah.
13:38All of this.
13:39All of that.
13:40Yeah, it's just being outside, isn't it?
13:41Being in warm water, but outside and the fresh air and...
13:44Yeah, looking at the sky.
13:46It's one of those secret experiences that when you've done it,
13:49you realise how fundamental it is to human existence.
13:52Yeah.
13:52Cleaning.
13:53I've got an outdoor shower at home.
13:55Have you?
13:55Yeah.
13:56The outdoor shower is one of the things I've always wanted in my life.
13:59Ever since I had an outdoor shower once and I thought this is the way to live.
14:02It's just small pleasures.
14:03The thing I really love still now is like every morning kind of getting up
14:06and just the feeling of like walking on the floorboards.
14:08Like they don't creak for one thing.
14:09They're really, they're beautifully made and they just feel amazing.
14:12And people talk about that grounding experience, but it just really feels like it.
14:16Wonderful dog in the episode as well.
14:18How's Domino?
14:18Domino's fine.
14:19Does Domino love it?
14:19In fact, last night, the girl's like, look, there's a fox on...
14:22We don't really have a lawn, but right in front of the house.
14:25And we had a few moments looking, a really bright red fox.
14:28and then Domino got whiff of it and barked it away.
14:32We're supposed to be embracing the biodiversity.
14:34So we're like, Domino, just, it's not a code red.
14:35It's okay.
14:36You can stand down.
14:37Yeah, you've got to tell Domino about the audit.
14:39She can blow the whole thing for you.
14:40She's messing it up.
14:41Yeah.
14:42I have to say, Domino is great in the film because ordinarily,
14:46when you're filming a conversation, you've got one or two cameras.
14:49One camera's on the person that's talking.
14:50One camera's looking for a reaction shot from the other person.
14:53But most of the time, we had a camera trained on Domino
14:56because whatever anybody was saying, she would react to it.
14:59She was like, you know, it was the best.
15:01She's in the film quite a lot.
15:02I'm actually sad she's not on the call.
15:04She was.
15:04She was in the car, really.
15:05Yeah, I could have had it here.
15:06You're not at home now.
15:07I know this because that's not your home.
15:09That's your workshop, is it?
15:10Yeah, for the main reason is our Wi-Fi is pretty ropey at the house
15:14and the girls constantly remind us of that.
15:17Well, I love how excited you were by the whole thing, both of you.
15:20The idea of just designing this thing
15:23and not really doing too many drawings and just going,
15:25yeah, I think that's what we're going to do.
15:26We're going to learn on the job.
15:27We're going to watch some YouTube videos
15:29and we're going to really go for it.
15:30It felt like a very heart-led project.
15:34And I wonder, Abby, whether you thought at any point,
15:37I wish there were some slightly better drawings of this
15:40and there was a bit more of an idea
15:42or was that part of the joy of the whole thing
15:44is that it was created sort of through passion
15:48and just, yeah, that would be good.
15:49Let's go for that.
15:50Yeah, I mean, I guess we've been married for how long?
15:5315 years.
15:5315 years, yeah.
15:55I know what he's like.
15:56Yeah, I kind of also have faith in that.
15:59But I think it was really reassuring to know
16:01that he was working with Simon as well.
16:02I think you probably get a nice sense in the programme
16:03of their relationship and, like, how that works
16:05and Simon was kind of keeping you accountable.
16:07It would have happened without Simon,
16:10but it wouldn't have been finished
16:11and it wouldn't have been really so good.
16:14And I just knew that I could totally rely on him
16:16for so much stuff.
16:18So it is a massive thank you to Simon.
16:19The only thing is I'm just not quite sure
16:21how everything works.
16:22I wish he'd kind of, like, just explain
16:24some of the systems to me a bit more.
16:25So I was thinking the other day, like,
16:26in terms of the heating and the electricity and the...
16:29If anything happens to Marcus,
16:30like, I'm going to be scuffed.
16:31He's sort of keeping that close to his chest.
16:33And Simon, I'm sure, understands his way around this stuff too.
16:36But obviously, it means from now on
16:37that neither of them can travel together.
16:39One of them always has to be separated from the other
16:41just in case of an accident.
16:42It's a love story between them, yeah.
16:44Sort of.
16:45Have you found any of the new ways of living
16:47difficult to get used to?
16:48What are the trickier bits of it?
16:50Just last week, we've had loads of rain.
16:53All of a sudden, it's just tons of sunshine,
16:54so too much power.
16:56And then just last week,
16:57suddenly I'm starting to monitor it a bit more.
16:59You know, I just sort of said to the girls,
17:01like, oh, maybe we won't put the washing machine on today.
17:04Let's see what the sun's doing tomorrow.
17:06And I just had this,
17:07it's bad enough living in the middle of the bloody woods,
17:11let alone having to, like, not use a hairdryer.
17:14So pressure from them.
17:15Whereas I quite like it.
17:16I quite like looking at the forecast going,
17:18oh, we can do a lot of washing tomorrow.
17:19Yeah, and I guess also, like,
17:21you can ask us in, like, the winter solstice, you know,
17:24like, at the moment, it's still kind of all right, isn't it?
17:26But I've been amazed by how little we've had
17:29to really think about it.
17:30Like, actually, once we connected,
17:31or we had a quarter of the solar connected,
17:33then we realised we were really sort of running low on power.
17:34So we got the rest of it connected.
17:36And actually, we haven't had to make those compromises
17:38or those sacrifices, but by December...
17:40December, whether we have Christmas lights
17:41is going to be the big thing, isn't it?
17:44Yeah.
17:44What it is good for, though, is Halloween.
17:46Yeah.
17:46Yes.
17:47It's immediately spooky.
17:48Yeah.
17:49So that's just candles,
17:50and the girls can have a great Halloween party,
17:52and that makes up for it, you know?
17:53Yeah.
17:53They have, for the first time,
17:54because initially, they were absolutely like,
17:57no, we don't want to bring our friends back here,
17:59this is really embarrassing.
18:00You know, they're great for managing your ego, teenagers,
18:02in the sense that you just get it absolutely eviscerated.
18:05But one of them has just sort of brought a friend back the other day
18:08and, you know, wanted to say,
18:09I want someone to come back here, this is my home, so...
18:11They're warming up to it.
18:12Yeah, they're warming up to it.
18:13Unlike the house, which is going to cool down quite quickly in the water.
18:17Before you were here, we were saying nice things about you,
18:19and we were talking about how inspirational and admirable this is.
18:24So I do think that there's going to be a huge impact
18:26that projects like this have on people,
18:28even though your kids might immediately go,
18:30aw, but they're hairdryer.
18:32But they realise that that's a luxury and that takes energy,
18:35and when you make the energy, you preserve it in a different way, I guess.
18:38So what you're doing, I think, is genuinely remarkable
18:41and full of admiration for you both.
18:42Do you feel like pioneers?
18:43Do you feel as though that you've been entrusted
18:46with this opportunity to experiment,
18:48to find a way that will help other people?
18:51What's your view about that?
18:52I don't really think of us as pioneers at all,
18:54but I suppose the reason why we went on Grand Designs
18:57was to show that you could live this lifestyle,
19:00but in not the stereotypical way, I suppose.
19:02I wanted the house to be a little bit more design-led
19:06and less of that stereotypical off-grid sort of feeling
19:09so that people could maybe aspire to it and go,
19:11oh, right, you don't have to look or feel like that
19:14to live that kind of lifestyle.
19:16Yeah, it's quite polarising, isn't it, that debate?
19:18And you often come up against that, well, you know,
19:20we can't all live in caves.
19:21And there was a bit of an impetus there to kind of go,
19:23well, you don't actually have to live in a cave.
19:24You know, you can live in a really, really nice house
19:26and you can live a modern life that is sort of stylish,
19:29but it's just paired back environmentally.
19:32It's just more simple and it's more connected to nature.
19:34And actually, that's just genuinely nicer for you as well.
19:37Yeah, it's a subtle thing, but because all the materials we use
19:40were all the best environmentally.
19:42But there is a sort of feeling in the house.
19:44It feels nice.
19:45I don't know what it is.
19:46Or it's the forest or it feels good in there
19:49because the lime plaster, the natural wood.
19:52The wood would be very happy with what you've made for it,
19:54I'd say.
19:54I loved it.
19:55Do you know what?
19:56It's really good to see you both because you look both well.
19:58I was tired at the end.
20:00You were very tired, poor man.
20:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:02Thank you so much, Marcus and Abby.
20:04Lovely to have you on the podcast.
20:06Thank you.
20:06And have an amazing winter, batten down the hatches.
20:09Just rig up that bicycle, Marcus, you know, to the dynamo
20:12and you'll be fine.
20:13Lots of love to you, guys.
20:14Thank you.
20:15Thanks so much, guys.
20:16Take care.
20:16Bye-bye.
20:17Bye-bye.
20:19Hold them away.
20:20Lovely.
20:20What a life.
20:21Delightful people.
20:22They are both extraordinary human beings.
20:25The woodland life looks good on them.
20:26It does, doesn't it?
20:27Should we do some questions?
20:29So many people want to ask you questions,
20:31which is reassuring because it means that people are watching and listening.
20:34Margie from southern New Zealand,
20:36says, Kia ora, Kevin.
20:38Kia ora.
20:39So what is your grand design for your life?
20:42You show us so many others.
20:44Can we turn the camera on you this time?
20:46Nope.
20:47For all kinds of reasons.
20:48Because it would be a distraction, wouldn't it?
20:51Oh, like, here's my kitchen.
20:52Yeah, but it's not like the one.
20:53No, it's not like the ones we showed you last week.
20:54But the point is, it's my kitchen.
20:56It's my house.
20:56It's my home.
20:57And I'll do it the way I want.
20:58Thank you very much.
20:59Go away.
20:59And there's a sort of natural prurience we all have
21:03to understand what people's homes are like, you know.
21:05And I think my job is to show lots of examples of other people's houses.
21:10If all I did was talk about my kitchen units,
21:13that would colour my work.
21:14Because people would then be thinking,
21:16well, it's not like the one you've got, Kevin, in your house.
21:18No, it's not.
21:19That's not the point.
21:19I'm there to celebrate other people's work.
21:21And besides which, it would also kind of trash my reputation instantly.
21:25I've got to uphold standards.
21:27Can you describe one bit of your house?
21:29Yeah, OK.
21:30Give us a little something.
21:31Yeah, no, no, I've got three things mattered to me.
21:32One is a view of the sunset.
21:34One is some kind of hammock arrangement somewhere.
21:36Nice.
21:36And one is some kind of place where I can sling my hammock
21:39to not get wet and sit and watch the sunset.
21:41Oh.
21:42And I have now all three of those things.
21:45It took me nearly all my life.
21:46It took me 65 years to get those three things.
21:49Lovely things.
21:50Jared's in New York.
21:51Hi, Jared.
21:52Thank you so much for tuning in from New York.
21:54What is one part of the home building process
21:56that you just hate and avoid at all costs?
21:58That one thing that you personally cannot stand.
22:01Three-letter word.
22:03Mud.
22:04Mud.
22:05Mud.
22:06I find mud in a field at home.
22:07I now have to sidestep it.
22:09I've got a pair of shoes in my suitcase here, covered in mud.
22:12I've got 15 pairs of boots, covered in various mud.
22:15I can't escape it.
22:16So if you were to restart Grand Designs from the very beginning,
22:19every single build is June in Tuscany.
22:22Yeah, wouldn't that be nice?
22:24Kevin, I've thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
22:27Oh, me too.
22:28I mean, not least because when you relate to people into the project,
22:32you feel a sort of bond there.
22:34And I can sense you feel that.
22:35Yeah.
22:36Yeah.
22:36I also feel this bond.
22:37Oh, bless you, mate.
22:38And I really like it.
22:39Yeah.
22:39And we've also learned you have a great vermouth, you have an outside shower.
22:44Yeah.
22:45And a burner phone.
22:46I had a burner phone.
22:48That is job well done from me.
22:49We'll see you next time.
22:50So we'll be back next week after Grand Designs, which is on at nine o'clock on Channel 4.
22:56And incidentally, on Channel 4, you can also see pretty well every episode ever made.
23:01Plus, of course, find selected episodes on YouTube as well.
23:04See you then.
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