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Kali Uchis does a superstar q&a with Billboard’s Associate Editor of Billboard Español, Isabela Raygoza at Billboard’s Latin Music Week 2025.
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00:00Honestly, I miss Colombia so much, and I haven't gone since I had my baby, so I'm ready to go home and just spend some time with family and feel.
00:09That's some of my favorite shows that I've ever done, is in Latin America. We did festivals there.
00:14My first times that I ever got booked, ever, ever, was in Mexico and in Colombia.
00:20We did Estadio Picnic, was like one of our first shows.
00:23So, just always being able to think like, oh, now we're going to go and do an arena tour.
00:29It's the most exciting for me, because I'm like, it's like a full circle moment, you know.
00:41Thank you everyone for being here.
00:43It's a privilege and an honor to be here with our cover star and our superstar, Kali Uchis.
00:52Thank you guys for having me.
00:54Gracias, Kali. You've had such an incredible year.
00:57I've had the honor to see you twice at Madison Square Garden, performing the Sincerely Tour, a sold-out arena, your solo tour.
01:08Now you're our cover star, so I definitely want the crowd to see the cover.
01:13Can you please show the audience our cover?
01:16It's pure elegance, that's the cover.
01:22First of all, I always love your style. You're such like a style icon.
01:27Thank you so much.
01:28Who inspired you?
01:30I really inspired me a lot, like in the 90s.
01:33And more than all, like being a empowered woman, always feel sexy, always feel confident.
01:40Amazing. So I want to run a little bit on, you know, this tour that you've had.
01:46I was so impressed by the range of your discography, the way you honor it.
01:52You performed about 10 years of music, the way you went about selecting everything, the visuals.
02:01If you can, let me, let the audience know just, you know, how do you go about just honoring this rich discography?
02:09Like, if you could talk a little bit about the tour.
02:11Yeah, for me, that I started out the gate, I never had, you know, I literally started with a DJ.
02:19So I never had a band, I never had dancers, I never had a production.
02:23I started, my first show ever was in a Mexican restaurant, in the basement of a Mexican restaurant.
02:28And I did backyards, and I did, you know, I really, really started from the bottom.
02:33So to be doing a sold-out arena tour, the whole tour, it was just, I felt that I needed to pay tribute to the music that maybe not everybody knew,
02:44from that little girl who was just starting, who had a big dream, who wasn't able to reach as many people.
02:50So I wanted to pay tribute to that music, to my first projects.
02:53And, um, more than anything, I just wanted to, you never know, you know, you never know how long you're going to be doing this for,
03:02or when you're going to get another chance.
03:03I don't do a lot of tours.
03:04So I was like, I really want to just do all my music, because I haven't performed all my music ever like that.
03:11And you toured on a tour bus across North America with your family.
03:17You mentioned that your son is a, was a huge fan of the tour bus, and seeing so many different cities.
03:24Can you share some highlights of, you know, your favorite cities?
03:29I always love Chicago, like a lot.
03:33I always love, obviously we love to come to Florida.
03:35We love it here.
03:37And the shows here were really, really great.
03:39I was surprised by some of the best shows being in random places, like North Carolina, Atlanta.
03:48I was shocked, because usually, I feel like every tour, LA goes the craziest, but this tour, it was like,
03:55I never really knew what to expect, and there was random places that I was like, oh, okay.
04:00So yeah, I would say those were standouts for me.
04:04And then obviously Texas always goes super crazy.
04:06And yesterday, you just announced your tour for Latin America.
04:14You'll be, you'll be hitting Colombia, Peru, Mexico.
04:21So, you know, what are you most excited about to just be connecting with your audience in Latin America?
04:27Um, yeah, I'm just ready to feel like, honestly, I miss Colombia so much, and I haven't gone since I had my baby.
04:34So, I'm ready to go home and just spend some time with family, and feel, that's some of my favorite shows that I've ever done, is in Latin America.
04:44We did festivals there.
04:45My first time that I ever got booked, ever, ever, was in Mexico, and in Colombia, we did Estadio Picnic, was like one of our first shows.
04:55So, just always being able to think like, oh, now we're going to go and do an arena tour, is the most exciting for me, because I'm like, it's like a full circle moment, you know?
05:05Totally. And, you know, you'll also be visiting your home region in Colombia.
05:10So, what are some of the differences that you've noticed just in the past, like performing in the U.S. versus like Latin America?
05:17I think in Latino America, people have a lot more energy.
05:22Sometimes in the United States, people are a little bit more guarded when they watch shows, and they're kind of like being like too cool a little bit sometimes.
05:28And I think in Latin America, people just like, have more fun.
05:33So, I don't know, for the most part, that's the main thing I see, is that the fans are very, very, very excited.
05:40And they're just so much more, I guess, excited that you're there, you know?
05:53Mm-hmm. And, I mean, I've been very fortunate to have interviewed you in various phases of your career.
06:00I personally got exposed to you when you released Por Vida.
06:07I'm a huge fan of Loner and Sycamore Tree. Those are my jams.
06:12So, just like even putting the music together, like the tour itself, it was broken down into four segments.
06:20The Sincerely album, then you went down to Por Vida.
06:23So, how do you go about selecting the songs that you perform?
06:27For me, it's just about what I am going to have fun doing.
06:31I feel like I need to have fun on stage.
06:34I need to enjoy myself because otherwise, what's the point?
06:38No, totally. Yeah.
06:39So, even just to take it a little bit further back, you first started releasing music, I believe, in 2012 with Drunken Babble.
06:47It was your mixtape.
06:49You were living in Virginia.
06:52You moved to L.A.
06:54And you were living in a car during that time.
06:57No, I hadn't moved to L.A. yet.
06:58I didn't move to L.A. until I started working on my first album, which was Isolation.
07:03And that came out 2018, but I worked on it for three years.
07:06But you were a videographer as well, right?
07:18And that's a skill that I recently learned about you.
07:21Like, you're very multifaceted.
07:23Like, you create your own visuals.
07:25So, if you can, like, talk about a little bit about that aspect of your artistry that maybe not every fan knows.
07:33Yeah.
07:34I would say, like, when I was working on Por Vida, I was, you know, there were times I was sleeping in my car.
07:39I was making some of that music in my car.
07:41So, I think that just as an artist, knowing that you don't really have, like, not giving yourself a plan B and knowing that you're willing to do whatever it takes to continue to make art, whether it becomes something that's successful or not.
07:59I think, for me, that was the main thing, was that I never had it in my head, like, oh, I have to be this successful or I have to make this much money or even numbers or anything.
08:10Like, I never, when I started, especially when I made Isolation, we laughed about this, how I didn't know what first week sales were.
08:17I had never heard of that.
08:18So, I was very, very naive to the industry.
08:21I was, I just always been an artist.
08:23I just always loved to make things.
08:26So, yeah, I think intention plays a big part in the role of every, whether you're an artist, whether you're an entertainer, whether you're a writer, whether you're a performer.
08:37I think there's so many different facets out there.
08:40And for me, I've always been very, I've always been very rooted in my artistry first and my writing first and my creative process first.
08:49And everything else kind of takes a back seat because that's where I come from, you know?
08:55Did you always envision that you'd be a singer or was there a moment where you thought you'd be making videos?
09:01Yeah, I definitely, I wanted to be, I wanted to be a director.
09:05I wanted to make movies, I wanted to be a music video director for other people.
09:11I never thought that I wanted to be in front of the camera.
09:13I always like to be behind the camera.
09:17And I don't know, it's kind of like the situation of, that it chose me in a sense because I always felt that my music was what was going to get me in the door to have opportunities to do other things in regards to film.
09:30And I ended up being a singer.
09:35But even just like when you barely started releasing music, you got like really amazing co-signs, like Snoop Dogg reposted your music and his blog back then, Diplo, A$AP Rocky.
09:46So just how was it like for you being an emerging artist at the time, having these co-signs, like how did it build, I mean, your confidence, but also just kind of push you forward, you know, because you had these amazing...
09:58I didn't start taking it serious because in the beginning, I was just very much like, like I said, it was something that I always did.
10:04From the beginning of when I learned how to write, I was writing songs.
10:09From the beginning of when I learned how to speak, I was coming up with melodies.
10:13So it was just something that I'd done forever, my whole, whole life.
10:16And, but like I said, I didn't think that I could be a performing artist because I was always really shy and I never liked to be really like the center of attention.
10:28I always liked to like hide and never really liked to be looked at.
10:33So I didn't think I could do it for that reason.
10:34After it started gaining quickly, so much attention from people, just from people sharing it, and like you said, like other big artists reaching out, that was when I was like, wow, maybe I need to actually take it serious.
10:47Because I was just, I always just put things out, like I didn't, I never had that process of like developing myself as an artist.
10:56I just like grew in the public, you know.
10:59And even with isolation in 2018, you also united some amazing legends, like Booty Collins and Tyler the Creator.
11:12So I think this is a great opportunity to play our first music video, if we can cue that.
11:29So how does a legend and a superstar unite with a then emerging artist for her debut album?
11:38How does this collaboration come about?
11:41Honestly, I think I was doing an interview, who was it with?
11:48It might have been with you guys, actually.
11:51I'm pretty sure it was.
11:52I think it was.
11:53When I got asked, who would you like to collaborate with?
11:57And on the way to the interview, I was listening to Booty Collins, and I was like, that would be cool to work with Booty Collins.
12:03But I kind of just said it, because I was just listening to him, but I didn't think it could actually be possible.
12:08And you just like popped up on your DMs, like, hey.
12:10No, literally, yeah.
12:11Pretty much everybody that I worked with at that time was just people who just reached out.
12:16So, randomly, he just reached out to me, and he's like, oh, I heard you wanted to work with me.
12:21And I was like, well, yes.
12:23So, I went to Ohio.
12:26That's where him and his whole family have a farm.
12:28And I hung out with them and his grandkids and his wife.
12:32His wife is his manager.
12:33She's amazing.
12:34It was just very family vibes.
12:36It was so cool.
12:37We made a bunch of music.
12:38And when I left, they threw me a big party.
12:40They made me a cake.
12:42They said, like, we'll miss you, Callie.
12:44It was so sweet.
12:44It was just everything was, like, so personal and so family vibe.
12:47It was really cool.
12:48So, I probably spent, like, five days out there.
12:51We made a bunch of music.
12:53And, yeah, it was just a really good experience.
12:56That is definitely, like, the power of manifestation, right?
12:59Like, who do you need to collaborate with?
13:01Yeah, you never know who's watching.
13:03You never know who's listening.
13:04Right.
13:04And who's actually willing to work with new artists.
13:07So, definitely my advice to new artists is to just aim for the stars.
13:11And that album, Isolation, landed on the top 20 of the top hip-hop and R&B albums on Billboard.
13:20It also entered the Billboard 200, which is a very coveted list.
13:25Huge feat for an artist at that level back then, you know, for you.
13:29And how did, you know, and then all of a sudden, you shocked the industry by wanting to release the full Spanish-language album with Sin Miedo de Otros Demonios.
13:41Del Amor y de Otros Demonios.
13:43So, just talk to me about that moment.
13:46You know, like, hey, you're, like, killing it.
13:48You're, like, you know, you're making the charts.
13:50And then suddenly you want to do, like, something different.
13:52You want to do a Spanish-language album.
13:54Yeah, I think kind of, like, how I told you earlier where, especially with Isolation, that that was my first album.
14:01I, like, I had no idea what it did in regards to metrics.
14:07I knew that it was very critically acclaimed because of the people that I got involved in.
14:13A lot of people spoke highly of the album in regards to, like, writers and stuff.
14:17That was as much as I knew.
14:20So, I didn't have any, I want to say, because a lot of people would be, like, oh, weren't you scared that Sin Miedo was going to flop?
14:28And I'm, like, no.
14:29Because from my perspective, like, I had never done anything for Numbers in the first place.
14:34So, it was just kind of, like, well, if it does bad, to me, isolation wasn't the type of, you know, it's not like it was, like, top ten.
14:42Like, it wasn't like that.
14:43You know what I'm saying?
14:44That wasn't what I was doing it for.
14:45So, I wasn't concerned about how well Sin Miedo was going to do in regards to Numbers.
14:50I was just, that was my second album.
14:53And my dream was for my second album to be in Spanish and for me to continue like that, English, Spanish, English, Spanish.
14:59Because I felt that that was a big part of me that I wasn't showing with, you know.
15:04No, definitely show kids, seeing your full artistry.
15:06And as a person, you know, you're bicultural.
15:08You know, you're from Virginia, but you also grew up in Pereira, Colombia.
15:13And that's a different facet, you know.
15:14Yeah.
15:14So, and I love that because you've always been, like, true to your art.
15:18You never sacrificed your art for any standard, industry standard.
15:23But at the time, you mentioned in our interview that you had a lot of doors closed on you because you wanted to do that move.
15:33What was some of the feedback that you were receiving back then?
15:35Well, because at the end of the day, it's a business, I think in the industry, people tried to chase things that they already know are going to be successful.
15:46And because I already had, I did have some success with After the Storm, they were like, oh, just make more music like that.
15:54Just keep making After the Storm.
15:57And you already have this fan base that speaks English and that's, you know, in the United States.
16:02And I had some fans in Europe as well, and they're like, oh, in Europe, Latin American music, like Spanish music doesn't do well in Europe.
16:09Nobody's listening to that.
16:10You're going to isolate all of the English-speaking fans internationally.
16:16And I was like, well, I don't know.
16:18But they learn Spanish, right?
16:19Yeah.
16:20It's that I always felt like for me, like a person who always listens to music from all over the world,
16:28like from Africa, from Germany, from France, everywhere.
16:34I never listened to music thinking like, oh, I can't understand the language, so I don't like the song.
16:40No, I just like music because I like music.
16:43So I never understood that.
16:45I really never understood that.
16:46And I just said, well, that's okay.
16:48I'll do another English language album someday and more English music someday.
16:54They can't wait.
16:56And from that album birthed Telepatía, which has currently 1.5 billion streams alone just on Spotify.
17:08If we can cue that video, Telepatía.
17:10That is a timeless banger, seriously.
17:25So, you know, just what does that song represent for you, looking back?
17:31You know, I was making so much music at that time.
17:33I was working really hard on this album, and it came together just really naturally.
17:37And that song, for me, I almost took it off the album.
17:42Really?
17:43Wow.
17:44Yeah, I almost took it off the album.
17:46I don't know.
17:47I think because I always like, even with other people's albums,
17:50like that normally I always like the songs that don't become very commercial.
17:56So, I don't know, for me it's very difficult to choose the song that's going to be popular,
18:03because I always like the songs that don't become popular.
18:05But it's in terms, it's like, I mean, I had to grow on me, actually,
18:11because I loved it when I made it.
18:13And then I was like, I don't know, I got tired of it.
18:17And then over time, like I still, like when I listen to it now, I'm like,
18:22it still hits for me, and it still feels, it still feels current,
18:25even though it's from, what is it, 2020?
18:27Uh-huh, 2020, 2021.
18:29Yeah.
18:30So...
18:31How important is it for you to showcase your hometown?
18:39For me, it's always been really important.
18:41From my very first, my very first EP, Por Vida, I shot majority of that in Colombia.
18:49I did so many music videos in Colombia for that.
18:51And also in LA, right?
18:53So you split?
18:54Yeah, I did a video called Riding Around.
18:56It was all in English, but I did it in Colombia.
19:00And my cousins were in it, my dad was in it,
19:02and we were in the streets, and everybody was in it.
19:03It was just so much fun.
19:06I just always wanted to put on where I come from,
19:09and I think such a big part of what I do is also to
19:12como demostrar que Colombia es mucho más que los estereotipos establecidos
19:16y que como que hay tantas cosas that people don't talk about
19:21in regards to Colombia that I've always wanted to just highlight
19:24and show to the world, you know?
19:27And from there, you began to...
19:30What's really interesting of how you approach your releases,
19:35your music releases, is that you've released a full English album
19:39and then a Spanish album,
19:40y de ahí también salió Red Moon and Venus,
19:43y luego Orquídeas,
19:45which the last two reached the number two placement
19:49on the Billboard 200.
19:52And you've been an artist that has truly broken the bilingual code.
19:58Very, very, very few artists have done this.
20:00Obviously Shakira y Gloria Estefan,
20:02pero no, you're like a rare breed that has achieved this,
20:07you know, showcasing these two languages.
20:10So también igual, platícame de ese lado.
20:14Was that intentional?
20:16Como doing English and Spanish?
20:18Is that something you've strategized?
20:21I think that because that was how I grew up,
20:23and I genuinely grew up como que mi casa,
20:26we spoke Spanglish so much,
20:28and we would mix, and we would, you know,
20:31so it was like, as a writer,
20:32it happens really naturally for me,
20:34where I can weave in and out of both languages,
20:37and it doesn't feel like forced,
20:39or like how you said, strategic.
20:42I don't ever think that anything that I've done necessarily
20:44in my career has been strategic.
20:45We laugh a lot about how, like, things just happen a lot.
20:50You just feel it,
20:52you go como que con lo que te da pasión.
20:54I'm very intuitive when it comes to my art,
20:57and when it comes to what I do,
20:58and I think that in regards to,
21:01in regards to my duality with language,
21:04it's just who I am,
21:06and so it just naturally translates into my music.
21:08You know, and one, like, phenomenal quality,
21:12obviously, pues es tu voz,
21:13like, your voice is so mesmerizing,
21:16you know, it really glides into R&B,
21:19you can do reggaeton,
21:20you can do jazz, soul,
21:22like, it really sounds timeless,
21:24and, I mean, another song that I'm a huge fan of
21:28is All I Can Say,
21:29and I would love for the team to play
21:31All I Can Say, the video.
21:32All I Can Say
21:35That is just stunning.
21:42I mean, me encanta.
21:43If you can talk about your creative process,
21:46like, how you approach blending diverse genres,
21:49you know, and maybe también a little bit of the influences,
21:53like, what's your creative process like?
21:54Yeah, I think for me,
21:55because how I told you,
21:57like, growing up,
21:58I always listened to so many different types of music
22:01from all over the world,
22:03so I never,
22:04I was inspired by everything,
22:06I've always been inspired by everything,
22:07and then since I was really little,
22:09I was always playing instruments,
22:11and so I played in jazz band,
22:12I played alto sax.
22:14That's right, I forgot about that.
22:15I took it really serious, and,
22:17Do you ever play instruments in your music?
22:20The sax? Alto sax?
22:21No, usually when I write,
22:23I write on the piano sometimes.
22:24Okay.
22:24But yeah, I played saxophone for a long time,
22:28I was first chair,
22:29I went to a lot of competitions,
22:30and I took it really serious for a long time,
22:32and I think that that plays a big grounding in melodically,
22:36like, my bassing being in jazz,
22:38and in regards to just like R&B and stuff,
22:43Virginia is such a hub for R&B music,
22:46that's where like Missy Elliott and Pharrell,
22:48and so many different people are from VA,
22:51so that's kind of just what I grew up on,
22:54was like R&B, oldies, soul music.
22:58And that's such a huge wave in L.A.,
23:01like, oldies were always trending.
23:05Yeah, but then still, you know,
23:07like in Colombia, like reggaeton, boleros,
23:10even vallenatos, like so many different,
23:12so many different types of music
23:15inspire me throughout my life
23:16that it's hard to stay dedicated
23:21or married to just one sound, you know?
23:23Yeah.
23:23So just looking ahead in 2026,
23:26and, you know, your Latin American tour,
23:29and everything you're working on,
23:30what's inspiring you at the moment?
23:32I hear you are working también en música.
23:35Yes, I'm working on a new album.
23:38I'm really just inspired by life.
23:40I'm inspired by everything that I go through every day,
23:43and I think more than anything,
23:47what I try to do every time that I make a body of work
23:50is just do something very different
23:51from the last thing that I did.
23:53So for me, Sincerely was like,
23:56my more emotionally raw, vulnerable,
24:00you know, more oldies,
24:01like how we saw, very timeless.
24:05But the next is going to be
24:07very, very different from that.
24:09Okay.
24:10Oh, I'm curious to hear it.
24:13What is one piece of advice
24:15that you received
24:16as you were evolving artistically
24:18that really resonated with you,
24:20and also what piece of advice
24:22would you give to an emerging artist?
24:24Some advice that I got.
24:34That's hard to say
24:35because I feel like nobody ever gave me very good advice.
24:37What advice that I would give to somebody now
24:46and that I give to a lot of artists now,
24:48the industry is very different
24:49from how it was when I started.
24:52I would say
24:53the signing to a major label isn't necessary,
24:57and I would tell people not to do that.
24:59And most importantly,
25:02not to compromise.
25:03I think that's the main thing
25:04that I've always kept in mind
25:05when it came to my artistry,
25:07is to never compromise
25:08and to be very intentional
25:10about what I'm trying to put into the world.
25:16And yeah,
25:19that's probably the most important.
25:21And you know,
25:21when you reflect back on your career,
25:23you know,
25:23starting in 2012 about,
25:26what's all these years,
25:28what is one thing
25:29that you are very, very proud of
25:31that you would say,
25:32you know what,
25:32like,
25:33I think just being proud of the journey.
25:40I think so many people are
25:42fixated on,
25:45you know,
25:45overnight success
25:46and so many people are,
25:48you know,
25:49they romanticize just
25:50having everything that they want
25:53tomorrow.
25:55And you know,
25:55we live in a society
25:56that's so,
25:58just like,
26:00I want it,
26:00I want it,
26:00I want it.
26:01And it's actually okay
26:02to wait for things
26:03and it's actually
26:04sometimes better.
26:05Yeah.
26:05Yeah.
26:06Do you feel like
26:07the way you approach music
26:09now that you know
26:09you're working on music
26:10and you have a one-year-old son
26:12that your perspective
26:14has changed a little bit
26:15or how do you,
26:17is it inspiring your creativity
26:19in a different way?
26:20I think
26:21it definitely,
26:24it's a lot more complicated
26:26because I think
26:27you just have to find
26:30like a different balance in life
26:31once you have a baby, right?
26:32Because you have to navigate now
26:35still keeping
26:36that as a priority
26:38and motherhood as a priority
26:40but still not losing
26:41these other parts of yourself
26:42that make you who you are
26:44because I think
26:45so many times
26:46when we become mothers
26:49we're very much pressured
26:52to like make motherhood
26:53our identity
26:54whereas I don't think
26:57that that happens
26:57with fathers.
26:58With fathers
26:58it's always very much like
27:00you know,
27:01you're just a great dad
27:02for doing the bare minimum,
27:03you know?
27:05So yeah,
27:06I think as a mom
27:07just learning
27:07that it's also okay
27:09and showing other moms
27:10that it's also okay
27:11to keep the parts of yourself
27:14that you've always had
27:15for you as well.
27:17Well, Scali,
27:17it's always amazing
27:18to speak with you
27:19and just seeing your growth
27:20and just consuming your art
27:22seeing, you know,
27:24your music on tour
27:26también
27:26and at Madison
27:27that was an incredible experience.
27:29I do want to leave
27:30one question for the audience.
27:33We have one and a half minutes.
27:38Okay.
27:39Hey, my name is Brandon Starken.
27:46My question for you is
27:48how do you
27:49and your man Don Tolliver,
27:51how do you help each other
27:52grow in each other's genres?
27:54You're both powerhouses
27:55in respective genres
27:57and how do you enjoy
27:58collaborating on each other's songs
28:00like Fantasy
28:01and For Me
28:02that you've done previously?
28:05I think for me
28:06it's really important
28:07to keep personal life
28:09and relationship life
28:10separate from my career.
28:12I think before
28:13I was more into,
28:15like, mixing it
28:16and now it's really important
28:17for me to keep it separate.
28:20So we just do normal things,
28:22like, you know?
28:23La última y nos vamos.
28:26Una más.
28:30Oh, aquí sí.
28:32You got it?
28:33Okay.
28:36Hola, Kali.
28:37¿Cómo estás?
28:38Hola, bien.
28:38Gracias.
28:39First of all,
28:40I am a huge fan.
28:41Yo soy colombiana
28:41y mi familia también es de Pereira.
28:43So shout out to people
28:45from Pereira
28:45and all my Colombians in here.
28:48Pero, Kali,
28:48one of my favorite collabs ever
28:51is your collab with Carol,
28:52which is Me Tengo Que Ir.
28:54It was on her
28:55Mañana Será Bonito Bichota season album.
28:57And I want to know
28:58when can we expect
28:59another collab between you two?
29:02Hopefully,
29:03I would like to think so.
29:04I mean,
29:05she's actually a really good friend
29:06and she still keeps in touch
29:08and we talk all the time.
29:09So maybe,
29:10you never know,
29:10we might get in the studio again.
29:12It's definitely a possibility.
29:13Well,
29:15it's just a couple of times
29:17unfortunately.
29:18Kali,
29:19thank you so much.
29:20Thank you so much.
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