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00:00Hello, guys. Good evening. Mr. Martin El Toro Awaga, how are you? Mr. Pacho, hello. Good evening to everyone, to the viewers. The truth is, let's see, it's sad, but I appreciate it from the point of view that these guys have lacked the tools to be able to compete for a long time, because what we really have here at the grassroots is, well, we're going to have a good discussion about lightning tournaments practically.
00:27We're going to have a good discussion, while the Argentines have another type of tournament. Now, if you see, Delgado already plays for Boca, I mean, many players.
00:39Solvedi is already an indisputable player for the news. I mean, they know how to manage the mental part, the emotional part and, and I think that's the only thing you have to ask of them, that they work on their strength, their cognitive skills, because it takes its toll on us in games like these.
00:54Well, let's analyze the issue. This is broad, deep and apart from that, many more things to analyze. Luis Arturo, good evening. Hello, Pacho, good evening.
01:05For me, losing to Argentina is normal, because Argentina is good at everything, because of the titles they've won in the category. They're the kings of the category, with six World Cups. I mean, for me, it's normal.
01:19Even in the betting shops, Argentina was the favorite today, but by a long shot.
01:24What happened is that we as Colombians had the illusion that we could beat them, but there were even people betting against Colombia.
01:34Argentina could beat them, but there's no denying that Argentina was the favorite because of everything.
01:40And it seems to me that even against Spain we were a bit lucky.
01:43We played well, but we connected the chances we had and the referee gave Colombia a split decision.
01:51So that game went our way. Today we didn't get nearly half of what we got against Spain.
01:56But I see that you want to tell us something else in the middle of all that.
02:00Uh, all that talk. Do you want to tell us anything else?
02:02Well, you'll have the chance to do it soon.
02:04Sarah, how are you?
02:05Hello, Pacho, good evening. As always, I'm happy to be here with you.
02:09Yes, I think the challenge for us now comes, doesn't it?
02:12Trying to understand why these types of situations are repeated in the history of Colombian soccer.
02:18And I feel that it's in broadening our perspective that we're going to find some answers or unattempted answers.
02:22Very good. What else, Nico?
02:24Good, Pacho. The second most famous Silvetti that I remember is the player from Argentina. The first one.
02:30Which players are they? Silvetti plays very well.
02:32The first one was a composer. For example, when you go to the dentist and that kind of thing, it's very much that type of music.
02:39His name was Bibu Silvetti and he was a guy who composed a lot for advertising, for television programs and he also wrote a song that was a hit with Billard, I think, called Spring Rain.
02:50When you hear it, you'll remember the times you've been to the dentist. You'll recognize it immediately.
02:55He was also Argentine, wasn't he? Yes, Argentine and he became a Mexican citizen.
02:59This Silvetti was a winger for many coaches and it is precisely Diego Placente who puts him at number 9.
03:04He scored in the round of 16, he scored in the quarterfinals and his name is Mateo Silvetti.
03:08Silvetti, this is Herbibu Silvetti, the one I'm referring to.
03:11Okay, very good. Hey, Andres, how are you?
03:14Well, sad, Pacho, one.
03:19Never stops getting excited, although as Luis Arturo says, well, we all had, let's say, a measured hope, knowing which opponent we were up against.
03:29Argentina has been the best team in this World Cup. Yes, Argentina, and they played better than Colombia in the second half and Argentina beat us well.
03:38They, beat us well.
03:43Now what we all want to analyze as it should be is why the sending off comes after the goal, why those things don't keep happening,
03:49because those small details that Fabian Vargas mentioned the day before yesterday, the small details correctly reappeared and that's what hurts.
03:56And that's what hurts. Rafa, good night.
04:05Rafa, I'm going to ask you a question because we can't show the image, but a play by an Argentine, right?
04:12Who hits a Colombian player's ankle at this height? This is the foot, he hits it here, Chara.
04:17That's R. But the hit isn't there with the special greeting, Pacho.
04:23The hit is lower down.
04:25And the referee saw it at the bar and I agree with the referee.
04:29Yes, for me it's not there, I saw it, honestly, I saw it.
04:34No, it's A. Yes, that's why.
04:37But how do you measure intention, Martin?
04:39But Rafa is right, today Martin measures the point of contact.
04:46The point of contact in that play, above all, is that if the ball weren't being contested it would be something else.
04:52Yes, it's spectacular, of course it's spectacular, but it's an action where the point of contact is directly on the player's cleat.
04:58If it were higher up and the referee explained it in, Renteria was right, he could have been sent off or he could have fixed it as a red card.
05:04It's a very stupid play by the Colombian player.
05:06That's where the mental aspect comes in, which is so difficult.
05:10But I say, because he was so far from, let's say, a point on the field that was
05:14so obvious, it hung up on him and didn't let him advance.
05:19No, there was nothing to be done.
05:21The referee was very good, right?
05:23Rafa, the referee was serious.
05:25The Portuguese, good referee, good referee.
05:27Yes, Pacho, it's conspicuous, but it's not a card.
05:30It's not R.
05:31Very good.
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05:40Uh, there are things that are sometimes difficult.
05:43I have a hard time putting an idea into words, so I prefer to write them.
05:47So, I wrote this freehand just about Colombia versus Argentina.
05:53Obviously, the issue is much deeper than my words or my phrases or my letters that can be a topic of discussion that you agree with or not.
06:02Obviously, everyone has their own point of view, but I wrote the following to Argentina.
06:07I said, Argentina, superior disposition and competitiveness, collective ability with more accurate intensity, physical and tactical support to group together in defense and key when defining.
06:19Colombia having difficulty finishing key plays for goals in the first half, little ability to hold the ball and distracted at decisive moments in defense, Argentina's goal.
06:31Argentina beat us in the semifinals and we are far from showing a winning mentality in decisive moments.
06:39I know this allows for a lot of discussion because I can't parameterize everything, I can't, well, put a blanket over all this conceptually and there are edges.
06:49But I would ask the following, and I think that the production and management will put the question there as you proposed it, Mr. Director.
07:00If you would be so kind and repeat it for me so that I can say it as you proposed it.
07:05And why are we always losing the most important and transcendental games that take us to a higher place?
07:14What's happening, that the rival is superior?
07:18Oh, and we ask people to participate, to tell us why we always lose the most important matches that take us to a higher level.
07:24The Copa America final, reaching the final of a U-20 world championship, because we are not used to playing very rarely.
07:34Let me tell you, this is for the people.
07:37Write to us at at Espen Colombia and tag us with the hashtag ESPNF90Colombia.
07:42What were you saying, yes, no, that we are not used to playing them?
07:47I mean, compared to before, we have played more, but if you look closely, you can count the times we have played in the semifinals.
07:54So, we are really not used to these types of events.
08:02So, look at the examples of the great teams or national teams in the world.
08:06How long did it take Argentina to become world champion for the first time?
08:12How long did it take them, after they had such a big setback, to win again?
08:17Winning again is not easy, and even big teams lose the habit when they stop playing finals.
08:25Even though Argentina also has a greater history in every sense, even in these categories, being so young, everything is more difficult because, obviously, there are fewer games.
08:35So, it's very complicated.
08:37I also think that Argentina didn't beat us today because they are so used to playing more than us.
08:42We beat them because they played better.
08:43Why did they play better?
08:44I mean, they outplayed us, and when you outplay your opponent, you have to lose.
08:49Period.
08:50Uh, I'm going with Julian Capra, who is already in Santiago, Chile.
08:54I'm going to go with the other teammates.
08:56Everyone wants to give their opinion.
08:58Why do we always lose the games that should take us to the next level?
09:02Julian, good evening.
09:04Hello, Pacho.
09:06How are you?
09:06Good evening.
09:07A big hug to everyone.
09:09We are already here at the team's training camp, which will obviously be here in Chile in Santiago, because they have one more very busy game and everything else we want.
09:17It's a match that many times you don't want to play, because it's still an open wound that hasn't healed and that reopens when you have to go back out on the field the day before the final to play for third place.
09:30But the Colombian national team will have to do it, and they'll be staying here in Santiago.
09:37The team should be arriving in about 40 minutes, about an hour is what the Colombian Football Federation has told us.
09:43It's probably going to be difficult to talk to any of them because the players, what we saw there in the transit area of the stadium before coming here, were very beaten up and it couldn't have been any other way.
09:55Well, Pacho, I think it's a combination of things.
09:58Obviously, we have to work a lot on the mental aspect, and we've said it, and here we're talking about some signs of character and personality that this group showed in the World Cup, because I'm sure that if we hadn't beaten Spain in the quarterfinals, we'd be saying the same thing, that that was the important match and not this one.
10:16And why did we lose to Spain when we had the chance to advance to the semifinals?
10:20Well, I think they outperformed us in that aspect today and Colombia showed that it's not a game they've won yet, that there's a lot to learn, a lot to improve on that path, but I also think that we have to add footballing elements to that and I think that the reality of the match ends up being very conditioned because Colombia ends up losing a good part of its offensive structure at the key moment of the game.
10:42Nacer Villarreal was there, who was our best player, 5 goals in 2 games, coming off being the top scorer in the South American Championship.
10:52Cancimbo, who had been a starter throughout the entire championship, was injured.
10:56Renteria comes on and for me it's A, I was listening to them now and I fully agree with Rafa, the second yellow card is absolutely fair and it's silly, it's a bit of a lack of head.
11:06So Colombia ended up facing the match with a team at least from midfield forward.
11:10Well, Jordan Barrera wasn't there either, which we can add to that.
11:15Quite different from the one they should be playing with at this stage.
11:20Injuries are things that can't be controlled.
11:23I do think suspensions can be worked on a bit more, but, with those elements on the table, Pacho, it was really difficult to face a team that has a starting 11, it seems to me, today on par with ours, but that showed that it has much more, much more change, much more depth and I think that's where the superiority that you described so well is.
11:40Very well. You are welcome to participate at any time on this topic that we are going to discuss.
11:49As a statistical fact, Argentina has been world champion six times.
11:53It all started back in 1979 with the team led by Armando Maradona, and the most recent title was in 2007.
11:59So we're talking about a team that's used to winning world titles in this category, right?
12:07That's what I
12:08was going to tell you, Pacho.
12:09When you say, what happens with Colombia, you advance from one phase to the next and the bar keeps getting raised.
12:15It's like when in the Olympic Games, the pole vault or high jump event, the bars keep getting raised and there comes a point where you can't pass.
12:23And then the one who's going to win the gold medal does, the best, Buca or Sierdo.
12:28We still have a hard time taking that final step, because we still haven't won three or two.
12:34Three, no, because the one who wins in Argentina wins.
12:38But in your comparison, what height are we more or less?
12:41No, no, no, no, no, no.
12:44We are good, we are good, but that last stretch.
12:47Yes, but where is our, where?
12:49But why do we lose that last step if in the face-to-face, in the one-on-one?
12:57Because today, perfectly, the moments, Lucho said, Lucho said something that is very true, because we face teams that are better, but we have a serious defect, a serious effect here, in these places, in the places where we give the information, for that and the fans also have a big defect, which is to assume that we are better than teams that are better.
13:15That is a serious problem that we, are triumphalists, it is, a problem that is not going to go away, I mean, that is a scab of this size that we have and, no matter how much one tries to remove it and one tries to show, no, wait, let's go slowly, it is not that you are a coward, it is not that no, sorry, it is that we lost the final of the Copa America, against whom?
13:35Against the world champion.
13:38But then we are completely stubborn in saying that Colombia is bigger than everyone here.
13:42No, let's remember how few times back then there wasn't a tournament.
13:51That nurtured some players in a more formal way, the U17 and U20 teams.
13:56Sure, I remember, for example, the team that Juan José Palaz had that played for Saudi Arabia, most of those players were already almost professional.
14:03And I also remember the time of Lara and Ronaldo, most of those players from Guarín, Aguilar, etc, etc, right?
14:11And those who were in Australia, right?
14:13They were also
14:14already competing, but there was a gap of this size where it appears that we were filled with small teams that compete in leagues that have literally kind of disappeared, right?
14:26And the truth is that we lost our way.
14:30Here, we compete, I'm going to say something crude, sometimes we compete for the registration fee, for the registration fee, for the value of the registration fee, for...
14:39But the formative stage has lost ground, and in the formative stage there's the implicit, the technical, the tactical, the emotional, not the cognitive, a series of values that we have lost.
14:49And you expect us to reach a U20 with fully formed and accomplished players when we have a huge gap while the Argentines have been concerned in recent years.
15:02You have 9 categories plus the children's categories plus the 4 soccer divisions, 2 categories, 1st and 2nd.
15:10We have absolutely nothing.
15:11Just this example, just this example.
15:13Give this group of players, this group of players to pleasure.
15:16Let's see what we play, let's see if the team doesn't show any improvement.
15:20Let's see, excuse me, an improvement, an expression speaking as if they had been knocked out in the first round.
15:28Experience the apocalypse.
15:29Semi-finals after 20 years.
15:31No, it's not that we are looking to take the next step.
15:34Take the next step, the next step.
15:36Holland, Holland hasn't taken the step and Holland has reached 3 World Cup finals and won titles.
15:43We're, stuck in the semi-finals 20 years ago.
15:46Suddenly, it's our place in the world.
15:49Of course, Holland.
15:50Holland, that's a place in the world.
15:52Holland has reached 3 World Cup finals, but it hasn't been able to win.
15:55That's not bad or good or anything.
15:59Those sounds were great, incredible.
16:02And what happened to them?
16:03That's, a utopia.
16:05A utopia, but this team is enjoyable and plays differently.
16:07It's a utopia, but this team is enjoyable and plays differently.
16:11Mentality for the idea.
16:12One thing, there's one thing that, although I don't agree so much with Luis Arturo, and
16:17I always say the same thing.
16:19This isn't a question of passports, but of ability, because Luis Arturo loves foreign
16:23coaches.
16:24That's why he only likes foreign coaches at Nacional, right?
16:27In Medellin, they like foreign coaches, because I honestly think Arturo is obsessed with that.
16:32He may be right, but we missed an opportunity that I was always obsessed with at that time
16:38and tried to do at every press conference I could when Peckerman was here.
16:44Capra just said it and you said it again and I mean, and I think Pacho too.
16:49This moment that you are seeing, Argentina is born in Peckerman.
16:52We had Peckerman here the whole time and there was no human power.
16:57He was.
16:58Not interested.
16:59I don't know.
17:00I don't know if he was not interested.
17:01I don't know if he was not interested or if he was not offered it, but it seems to me
17:05that that is like love, both parties need it.
17:07I don't think I know so much that he is not interested because Peckerman, the Peckerman
17:11group has always liked to talk.
17:13I think that if they had made him a significant financial offer, suddenly we left the era and
17:18the turtle got away from us.
17:19We had the one who changed the history of Argentine soccer in every sense and we never asked him
17:26or offered him or managed to reach an agreement with him to handle the issue of the elections.
17:30Very briefly, we're closing, guys, excuse me, we'll continue, we'll close with Nicholas
17:35and return to the topic after that.
17:37We've never had a winning process in our lives.
17:40Never, never.
17:41But let's get that crap out of our heads.
17:43We've never had a winning process.
17:45Who are the coaches?
17:46Andres mentioned Jose Peckerman.
17:48Who is the one who puts together a project?
17:50It seems that the Matarano office was a winning process.
17:53Copa Libertad.
17:54Oh, yeah.
17:55So, Jose Peckerman puts together a process where he wins three titles.
18:00Who are the coaches?
18:01Who later took over?
18:03Coaches who were in winning processes.
18:05Escalon.
18:06And where?
18:07What process was he in?
18:08In Peckerman's youth process.
18:10Yes.
18:10Placente.
18:11What youth process was he in?
18:13In Peckerman's youth processes.
18:14Yes.
18:15Let's bring one from here.
18:17One over here is over here.
18:19The turtle has already escaped.
18:21One of those is already replacing him.
18:24Let's bring one of those guys from the bottom here.
18:27Let's bring one of those guys.
18:28I'm tired of saying it.
18:30Let's bring them.
18:30But why can't we train the guys from here in such a way that we don't get past the Torres,
18:35the Reyes, the Torres?
18:36Guys, but Torres is the first time, Luis Arturo, who has joined the national team.
18:43Torres arrived last year.
18:45But it's the same with Cesar Torres.
18:47But he's the first time he's arrived.
18:48But I believe you when you talk about Cardenas.
18:51With Cardenas we were there, but we didn't get out of that circle.
18:53Why don't we look for something different?
18:55Yes, but we're being too hard on Cesar.
18:58A team that could perfectly well be third at the...
19:00Beginning, we have to criticize the process.
19:06We have to finish off a guy like.
19:14Guys, guys, first, hey, look, there will be thousands of flaws in.
19:22The culprit.
19:23But it seems to me that we are demonizing the coach too much.
19:25And a coach who is even delusional, is responsible.
19:28I want a better one.
19:29I want a better one.
19:30It's not that it's bad.
19:31We are, right?
19:32Luis Arturo is demonizing.
19:34I want a better one.
19:35Julian, Julian, your opinion and I'll go with the opinion of the people, guys.
19:40Tell me, tell us.
19:42No, I think that generalizations can't be made here and we've had here in the country.
19:47Uh, some good soccer players, others not so good, great generations.
19:52I'm going to move a little because I know there's movement.
19:54Here comes a bus arriving.
19:56Be careful there.
19:57I'm going to show them to be careful because we can't afford to pay for that doctor's insurance.
20:02Over there.
20:03Be careful.
20:04It could be the national team.
20:05It could be the Colombian national team.
20:07We're far away.
20:08If you back up, the Lombada is Colombia.
20:10You're still a pig.
20:11So we need it.
20:12It seems to be the national team.
20:14Yes, it's the national team.
20:15Argentina.
20:16No, it's Argentina.
20:17It's Argentina.
20:18They're dancing.
20:19No, I see too much joy inside.
20:21Too much joy inside.
20:23It's the Argentina bus.
20:24Right, this is Argentina's bus.
20:27I told you yesterday that they are at the same hotel, that they are sharing a training
20:31ground with the national team.
20:34There is the arrival of the Argentina bus after having qualified for the final.
20:38And as you can hear behind us, there are Argentina fans.
20:43Today, unfortunately, no Colombian fans have shown up.
20:48To continue with the topic, Pacho, I was telling you that we cannot make that generalization
20:53and that I believe that this is also a matter of raw material, because I feel that Lucho speaks
20:58as if we were France or Argentina, with the capacity to constantly produce top-level players
21:03and who at 20 years old are already in some of the best teams in the world, like Mastantu,
21:07for example, who for that same reason did not play in this championship.
21:12We do not have that capacity.
21:14Our best player in this generation is Nir Villarreal.
21:17He's still there, he's going to leave now, but he's still on a Colombian soccer team called
21:22Millionarios, and Millionarios doesn't even play because of everything that happened.
21:26So, I do think we have to take a little more responsibility for that, for what's there.
21:31No, no, no.
21:34I think Placente, with this team, with this generation, and with the absences today,
21:38you can give today's team to Jorgen Club, Carlos Ancelotti, and whoever you want.
21:44I think Colombia was going to have a very similar approach.
21:48Very similar.
21:53A foreign coach and from one moment to the next, the Colombian U20 players become the best
21:58in the world, and then we're already in a position to not reach the semi-finals.
22:01Oscar Cordoba is tired of saying it.
22:05Oscar Cordoba is tired of saying it.
22:07Our coaches stayed.
22:08Oscar Cordoba, who else?
22:09The authority Oscar Cordoba.
22:11Our coach, we're still with Reynaldo Rueda and Bolio in the elections.
22:16There are two exponents in the national teams, Reynaldo and Bolio.
22:19For God's sake, we haven't had a coach anywhere important abroad.
22:26No, I say, let's see, I'll tell you one thing, Colombia Caror did.
22:30A good job, but I want something better.
22:34I want something better.
22:37Look, and with what Julian says, we lack important players, and even more so, we need a coach who
22:43can help us raise our level.
22:45Look, it happened, we were away in three World Cups with Rueda, with Lara, with Lionel, with
22:51Bolio, he arrived and rose, then he arrived again.
22:54He wants to add more evidence.
22:59Julie, Julie, but for God's sake, what did I?
23:03Just here?
23:05What did I just hear?
23:06If here one of the most questioned coaches of recent times has been Lorenzo himself.
23:11You've questioned him.
23:13We've all questioned him.
23:15Two games ago he wanted to take everyone out.
23:18We've all questioned him.
23:20Lucho, how can you not recognize that we've all questioned him?
23:24But no, the team.
23:26Grew, we went to the Copa America final, which then fell silent, that's another story.
23:30But what we came to Qatar for, now we've grown and we all applaud the second place in the
23:34Copa America.
23:34Either we've already forgotten or we've already forgotten.
23:37Forgotten, Lucho.
23:40If we're going to focus, if we're only going to focus on the result and how far the elections
23:44go, perfect.
23:46Cesar Torres put Colombia where it hadn't been in many years and then today we can say,
23:50okay, come on, let's bring one of Peckerman's sons to take over.
23:54Let's see if I understand.
23:56A few days ago, our colleague Luis Arturo Enao came up with some news, news that I really
24:02liked because I think he's prepared, because I think he's prepared, but now I know what
24:07he'll think if that were to happen.
24:08Alejandro Restrepo won't be able to coach the Colombian national team, right?
24:14Because he was born here.
24:16No, he won't be able to.
24:17He won't be able to.
24:19He won't be able to.
24:20And I'm going to write it down here and I'm going to keep it written down.
24:22I didn't say it.
24:23I didn't say it.
24:24I said it.
24:25I'm quoting, I'm quoting Oscar Cordoba, our coaches who remain.
24:30Alejandro Rest, well, he's the new face.
24:33He's the new face and.
24:34Mr. Cesar Torres is the new.
24:38Cesar Torres.
24:40How long has Cesar Torres been managing?
24:42The fact that two teams in football are writing him off is Jaguar in the last few games.
24:58But Lucho didn't give it to Guardiola's Barcelona either.
25:02It's not that he did well, but I think that with a different coach, we can blame the story
25:05of how badly we've managed the entire youth team or just one person who leads us.
25:12I'll.
25:16Ask you for a moment so that Sarah can give a final conclusion.
25:19We listen to the people, we watch the game.
25:22You have to get to the hotel and Arturo.
25:24Let's.
25:25See, there's a problem with Luis Arturo's presentation and that is that people always
25:29tend to think that the next thing is magic.
25:31And magic is bringing in a foreign coach who changes everything for us.
25:35Something that comes out of nowhere.
25:38Back to the point, Julian says.
25:40There are not enough elite or quality players to be in these types of instances or places.
25:45It has to do with the same thing.
25:47It has to do with the fact that neither a coach nor simply a good selection of players solves
25:55the structural problems that have to do with, one with the training of trainers, which I
25:59think is fundamental.
26:00Because if there is an idea, if there is a system that allows both coaches and players
26:04at a national level, in a large territory rich in talent such as Colombia, then it could
26:09allow for having more quantity, more variety and then also a league system that allows those
26:13players to compete in teams that allow them to, uh, reach these types of instances.
26:22So, neither in both cases, we return to the same thing and that is if there is not a serious
26:27project and a specific project and that the president of the Colombian Football Federation
26:31does not do it.
26:32Because it seems to me, uh, that this has been mentioned a lot about how we have to move
26:36on to having a champion mentality as if we could willpower.
26:40This isn't willpower.
26:42This is work.
26:43It's constant work.
26:44And it's a bit like what Andres was saying, normalizing being in these types of instances,
26:48that we feel comfortable reaching a semi-final and competing, believing.
26:52So, that's why it's not about whether we're the best or the worst.
26:55It's about valuing what we've achieved because if not, it'll be impossible to build from
26:59there.
26:59I mean, we've never valued those moments when we did win.
27:05We don't like it.
27:06We don't like remembering the five because nothing and above all it seems shameful.
27:12It's embarrassing to celebrate so much every time it was clear and that and that's collective
27:17memory and that's football culture because we don't, I mean.
27:21If we don't have it, let's hold on to what we have because obviously we
27:24take care of our idols.
27:26Viera's father used to say, world champions have walked the streets of my town called
27:31Florida.
27:31That makes Uruguayans believe that they can be world champions.
27:34Well, here we don't have world champions, but we have to build that narrative, story
27:39and above all the work to be able to compete.
27:41Goodman tells us, he says, we have to recognize that they are better prepared, they are superior
27:58in terms of training and mentality.
28:00The coaching staff also showed that they are more capable.
28:06Placente gave Torres his support, a review of Torres.
28:10Matches are also won or lost on small details.
28:13Thank you.
28:14Jamie Enrique Onyate Mallorca says, they always talk about mentality.
28:17Morocco has won more than Colombia and they beat France.
28:20Let's all support Morocco on Sunday, right?
28:24Quote.
28:26NM says, Colombia loses because Colombian footballers are psychologically weak.
28:31Quote.
28:34Jorge Silva tells us, he says, because of the conformist and mediocre mentality, today Argentina
28:39outperformed us in every aspect, but Colombia didn't have a winning mentality.
28:43Furthermore, the truth is, the scoreboard fell short in Argentina's favor.
28:48But Colombia also got their start in the first half.
28:52Colombia's problem is that we're full of fast, physical players who don't think, and
28:56we're leaving talented and intelligent players aside.
29:00Luis Arturo's cousin, Mauricio Mauricio, is called Joao Pedro Pinheiro.
29:06And he was the referee for the U-20 World Cup match at the National Stadium.
29:10In Argentina's goal, Santiago Santino Barbie, with Jordan Garcia in Colombia's goal.
29:16Jordan did well as much as he could.
29:18Minute 9.
29:18Look, this was Colombia's first attempt.
29:21An attack from the left.
29:22And the goalkeeper clears it.
29:24Very good Barbie there.
29:25Look there, first half.
29:28They respond with this shot on goal that Garcia, won.
29:31Of the team's stars, Garcia, stops.
29:34Then in the 36th minute, an attempt by Argentina that the defense clears.
29:37Oh, this was a tough one, but this was the most important of the first half.
29:41But look, what turned the game around, I think, could have been this play.
29:45And, this play got away from the goal, right?
29:49And there the second half starts and Argentina is already in a lot of trouble.
29:51Yes, Colombia is lagging behind.
29:53Although this was a good one for Colombia.
29:55Yes, but for me if they review it there was a previous foul by Colombia.
29:58Well, look.
29:59Before the goal Argentina loses.
30:01Look, look, look, look before the goal.
30:03Look, look who loses.
30:04Look, no.
30:05This is the goal, the goal, this is the goal.
30:08What a, joy.
30:08The goal is great.
30:10A great goal.
30:10More Kayazal got us hooked.
30:12That was a very good goal.
30:15Garcia goes back.
30:18Parasala is really hooked.
30:19Of course.
30:20And they almost scored the second, didn't they?
30:22Question mark.
30:23And we turned around there, honestly.
30:25That's when we destroyed ourselves.
30:26We.
30:28Started to have the big K for Renteria.
30:30Oh, Renteria.
30:32No, unbelievable.
30:33This is what I'm saying.
30:34They score a goal and then the expulsion.
30:37Oh my god, boy.
30:38Oh my god, boy.
30:40The double.
30:41The double.
30:41I.
30:43Agree with.
30:45Sorry.
30:45There were two plays by Emilio due to time.
30:48We didn't pass them.
30:49Oh, one that almost got there.
30:51But he got there in.
30:53An associative way with the same center back changing.
30:56The ball because he's a much faster center back.
30:59Very good.
31:00The first time he changed legs and he stopped when changing legs.
31:03Done.
31:03He should have kicked when he controlled the goal.
31:05There he lost some tempo and there he lost his form and in the second one he did.
31:09But it was a different profile, right?
31:11That was very far away too.
31:13He had distance in Argentina.
31:14Yes.
31:15The training model was totally different.
31:17We, uh, on Tuesdays at least 15 kilometers on Wednesday.
31:24Give me a moment.
31:25The training camp arrives in Colombia.
31:27Julian, pay attention.
31:28We hear you.
31:29We see you.
31:30Yes.
31:30Yes.
31:31Yes, sir.
31:33The Colombian national team bus is arriving at the training camp right now.
31:36There are some fans, there are some fans, there are also relatives of the players who have
31:44finally come over and, well, with the applause recognizing the effort and accompanying this
31:49complicated moment, this moment of frustration for the Colombian team that, as Pacho was telling
31:53you, will also recover tomorrow, train on Friday and prepare in that way for next Saturday's
31:58match for third place.
32:02Those matches, right?
32:04Yeah.
32:04Later, in a moment, we're going to hear from coach Cesar Torres.
32:10By the way, since his name has been so resounding, anyone would imagine that he's been coaching
32:17for years and no, he hasn't.
32:19No, it's not that he's been coaching professional football, but this is the first time this team
32:23has been coaching for a year.
32:24It's been there for what it's been for three years, 3,000 years.
32:28It's a blessed match that, as they call it, the final, it's very difficult to play.
32:32But for Colombia it's very important, as Nicolas says, to be third in the World Cup and also
32:37against France.
32:38Third, give me the third.
32:40Sure, we have to recover because it would be nacer.
32:42Near, he needs to.
32:43Hey, Julian, describe us a little more.
32:46I see that there are some who come to the terraces and so on.
32:49Jordan.
32:50Jordan.
32:50Jordan.
32:51Hey, yes, yes, Pacho.
32:53As I was saying, they are receiving recognition from the people.
32:57There are mainly representatives of the families, of the footballers who are with them through
33:01thick and thin.
33:06Hey, most of the footballers go directly to the hotel and others come and greet the fans
33:10who are here.
33:14Hey, I'm going to steal two minutes from Jordan Barrera.
33:17I'm going to see if Jordan will help us here, he has come to greet his family.
33:24Jordan, those who are always there, right?
33:27In the sad moments as well as tonight's.
33:30How is the team, Jordan?
33:32How are they receiving this adverse result that is so complex and so different from what
33:36we all expected to talk about tonight?
33:37Well, as you said, it wasn't what we expected and there are no words to express what we feel
33:46now and now we'll keep working, moving forward and knowing that we're going to try for third
33:50place with God's help.
33:53Jordan, of course, it's all very fresh in your mind, but you're from the outside and
33:57it's not where you wanted to be or where we wanted to see you tonight.
34:01What happened?
34:02What are those little details that end up defining the game in Argentina's favor?
34:08Well, these are finals and they're distractions.
34:14They happened, I don't know, because we got there many times, we didn't score, they got
34:19there once, they scored a goal, well that's how finals are played, finals are about winning
34:23and today suddenly we didn't have that hierarchy to be able to win that game.
34:31It's hard to know, Jordan, but with a few more of the usual starters the game could have
34:35developed.
34:35Today what we feel is that the team missed your presence, that of Nier Villarreal, for
34:41example.
34:42Yes, of course, they are very important players, Sarabia, everything, but well, it didn't happen
34:47that way, it was God's plan, which is perfect and, as I told you, now we have to keep working
34:51and think about what's coming.
34:52Physically, how is Jordan, how is his recovery going?
34:55Well, we're doing well with God's help, so we can be in the third place, so we can fight
35:00for third place in this final.
35:02Thank you, Jordan, good evening.
35:04Well, teammates, Jordan was there.
35:07Obviously, I think that Jordan's face is the face of the entire team at a very difficult
35:12time to talk, but of course we appreciate that he gave us these couple of ideas after
35:16what just happened with Argentina.
35:17Hey, Julio, look, step back a little because there's a very beautiful image and it's the
35:23meeting, I think it's with his little brother, yes, yes, it seems to be someone, yes, sir,
35:28yes, sir, it's the brother, it's...
35:31With the brother who comes and I think his mother also came over and caressed his face
35:35and said a few words to him, but we were really struck by the phrase he used about the players
35:40there, apart from Emilio Aristizabal and Perea.
35:44Well, Bassan has also played, not much, but he has played very occasionally.
35:49Jordan Barrera has played for Junior and he spoke about the word hierarchy.
35:52Look, there it is once again.
35:54We didn't have the hierarchy to win.
35:57Do you agree?
35:59Yes.
36:00And character.
36:01And character because at one point it
36:03Showed.
36:07No, no, but this Argentina showed character, I mean, they know how to handle pressure situations.
36:14If you saw that Pestrini, Pestani was
36:17The best in Argentina.
36:19No, he didn't.
36:23Return anything to poor Bassan, but not only in a straight line, but he carried, he went down,
36:28he looked for the inside game.
36:30And then who is the one who ends up passing to Solvetti?
36:36Himself, I mean, and ours, no, ours seemed, with all due respect, I mean, today we lost
36:42and were hurt and everything and we want the best for a runaway horse.
36:45Imagine that in the first half, yes, we held on, we came out calm, but every time we made, uh, that long ball it wasn't a, what do you call it?
37:05A directed or direct ball that could resolve, uh, Emilio, that could get down to the second ball, nor the reading of the space.
37:17Never, the balls always fell short and that's what, uh, that's what, what, what we play for.
37:22Yes, Perea's individuality helped us a lot to create dangerous situations, but that's it and can't chimbo until
37:30Something else, something else, something else, did a lot.
37:34It's incredible that Colombia doesn't have a player who knows how to shoot free kicks well or when you see the best example of ours was a barrier and he wasn't there.
37:42Yes, but Perea tried many times and always shot a lob or passed it or it was easy to reject.
37:50The best example of a set piece is the senior team with a player like Javis or Quintero.
37:55We don't have that player.
37:57Of course, but I feel that it's a bit
37:59advantageous to analyze with the newspaper after the defeat, because I feel that with this idea,
38:06understanding that they lacked inside play, holding the ball and those characteristics that we associate more with Colombian soccer,
38:13this team competed like this, competed in this way.
38:17I feel that this point of hierarchy has nothing to do with a lack of an idea,
38:21because I feel that these players were convinced of what Cesar Torres wanted to do.
38:25That's why I don't think the responsibility lies with the coach.
38:30What I do believe is that what they call the small details are the game situations,
38:34because it's a very good collective play that, in fact, starts on the right,
38:38then goes to the left and they find the gap inside, that is to say, collectively,
38:42but that's Argentina and this and this Colombian team competed that way.
38:48So, I don't feel that it's sticking to the idea that we need a number 10, we need.
38:53I don't think that's the answer at this time.
38:56You were saying it just now, the coach also lacked the ability,
39:00who, well, is to blame in a certain way, but also to reinvent himself.
39:05What did Placique do?
39:06He put in a second striker in there and there he didn't hold the center backs until they came out.
39:11But what could he have done today?
39:13Of course, we didn't have the players and people ask me because in fact he himself is the one who decides to come off the bench.
39:20What else could he have done?
39:22We also get very excited about the results, I mean, sometimes the results are what lead us to,
39:28let's, see, let's see, let's see.
39:31Sometimes the results don't let you see the details that didn't work well.
39:35That's always happened in football.
39:37But where did they go?
39:38Sorry, sorry, sorry.
39:40No, no, but all our rivals really got to us.
39:42Saudi Arabia got to us, sorry.
39:45Nigeria got to us, South Africa got to us, Spain didn't get to us, let alone.
39:50So, but allow me, Martin.
39:52So, those results made us excited.
39:54Oh, we're doing well, we won the group, we beat them in the fourth, round of 16, quarterfinals and we didn't see our problems and our flaws with Spain.
40:03We had many problems, many.
40:06No, it's fine.
40:08But then let's not say that this team doesn't have to push hard.
40:13To propose, to look for an opponent, I'm not referring to that,
40:17I'm referring to the fact that the team had many problems and many gaps and effects that we didn't see in the results.
40:25Speaking of which, what happens, and I insist on what I started saying, we have a serious problem, I insist, is that we get big beforehand.
40:34In that, we have to give ourselves a bath of humility because we get big beforehand.
40:38But when we lose in these instances, it all seems like total crap to us.
40:42We want to destroy everything and set everything on fire, right?
40:45I mean, let's not get so big beforehand because we know we have flaws and we know we have problems.
40:50Today's team was a reduced team, it had three very important casualties, and the tournament's top scorer.
40:55Of course, and let's not destroy it after we reach the semifinals.
40:58To me, the semifinals seem like a good place for this team.
41:03We haven't won a damn thing.
41:05How can that possibly be bad?
41:07The thing is that, as Nicholas says, you do this analysis today and then many will come at you saying, no, it's how mediocre, how complacent.
41:19But I would like us to look for the recordings of the program, right?
41:22From the program after the match with Norway.
41:27I mean, that Colombia had a horrible match, horrible.
41:31And we talked about that.
41:32Well, exactly, but well, but we talked about all those problems.
41:37Obviously, the team overcame many problems.
41:41They had good luck, which is also needed in football.
41:43Luis Arturo, but we also improved in other things and Nier Villarreal showed up at the right time.
41:52That coach won it, of course too.
41:55So, reaching the semifinals for this team with the expectations we had after the first two games is not bad.
42:02People's opinion, people's opinion here.
42:05What do people say?
42:06People say, Juan C.R. Mejia, we have the mentality of a small team and on top of that we start talking before the game and we tease them who only talk on the pitch and after the game.
42:22Well, they do too, Juan.
42:24Sometimes they start fights.
42:26Sebas Cardozo tells us, the Colombian player is good technically, but in mentality and general concepts they have a big advantage over us.
42:33Edwin Naranjo, I don't understand why they only want to contradict Lucho.
42:41We have less quality, but we lack the expertise and experience of a coach with the experience for these tournaments.
42:46Quote, but also, but also, Edwin Naranjo, greetings to my cousin.
42:51Christian Fernandez says, do you know why?
42:53Oh, do you know why PC Kerman, Aplacente, Takali, etc., work as trainers in that country?
43:00Because first they are Argentines and their work as trainers is based on a sense of belonging.
43:06They wouldn't work the same in Colombia.
43:08That's what Christian says.
43:10Christian Rincon says, Colombia's problem is the Colombian coaches because they only care about their body type and they leave talented players aside.
43:17The average Argentine height is 176, but you can see the difference in intelligence and football.
43:22Well, Cesar Torres, who gave a speech and an argument every day, he said, come on, it's for the final.
43:36He always said that.
43:37He said, we're going to play without games.
43:40Quote, I like that speech by Torres.
43:42Me too, Warriors, and that's it, he made it clear, and when they talked about the players praising them, he said, I'll bring them down to earth.
43:52Here's Cesar Torres at the end of what must have been a very hard blow for him in the group, as it was for us.
43:59Seeking third place, we have to go for third place.
44:02We have to try to finish with dignity.
44:04Imagine saying with dignity, seeking third place in a World Cup.
44:12But I believe that's the demand that we have to have in Colombia, in our Colombian soccer, in all our elections.
44:21We have to go for that game tomorrow, try to recover the boys, not lose faith, go out and compete and see it all through.
44:28Because it's also a source of pride to bring our country to a podium.
44:34The Chilean people and also Colombians did better, they got 10.
44:41Yes, the people here in Chile today accompanied, cheered on the team, applauded them at the end.
44:48No, I'm not just grateful.
44:50I really enjoyed the World Cup.
44:53Well, this time we couldn't make it to the final, which was our dream, but hey, tomorrow I'll get up really early and I'll try again and I'll try until.
45:04The country achieves it.
45:06And apart from the fact that it changes your life, the players' lives, this World Cup has obviously changed your life.
45:13It's changed the lives of the players.
45:15Yes, the national team changes all of our lives.
45:19Wearing the national team changes everyone's life.
45:21It's changed the lives of the boys, the entire state, the coaching staff.
45:25Thanks to the entire federation for the support, for everything.
45:30Making excuses, we couldn't do it, we tried, we tried, we didn't lag behind, we did it with courage, well, we still need more and I'll tell you again, we all have to include ourselves, we keep trying every day, we need more, but we're close, we're close, I'm sure we're close.
45:46I was saying that of course we're going for third place, but it's still a victory and with 2003 you got that in the category, maybe the main goal isn't achieved, that was reaching the final, but how do you analyze returning to play in the history of this category for you?
46:00We, agreed that we want to make history, we haven't made history, I've said it.
46:05We want to equal what Professor Reynaldo Ruea did, who was also my teacher at the university.
46:14We have a great friendship, I've been very attentive.
46:18Well, we have to finish well, we have to look for that match, we have to win it.
46:24On Saturday we will go out to compete to win it as we have all sought to compete and try to bring that third place to the country.
46:30Thank you, Cesar, thank you everyone, thank you, Professor, thank you very much.
46:36Well, Julian, I don't know if you have anything final to add before taking a break and surely later they will need you at SportsCenter,
46:43but is there anything else to point out from there, from Chilean territory, from Santiago?
46:51Yes, Pacho, one last thing about Cesar Torres.
46:54This week, someone from the federation told us that there is interest from a team from the United States
47:01to take Cesar Torres and an Arab soccer team to take him as well after the Colombia's performance in this World Cup.
47:09The person I spoke to tells me,
47:11hey, we want him to continue because it was evidently before this match.
47:19Colombia's performance in the World Cup,
47:21even if the goal of reaching the final was not achieved,
47:24leaves them calm about what is being done in youth soccer,
47:26and they want him to continue,
47:28but they are not certain because Cesar Torres has attractive offers to,
47:32once this process is over, perhaps go and coach soccer abroad.
47:37Okay, okay, okay, well, very good.
47:40Hey, Julian, we'll meet later at SportsCenter.
47:43A hug, thank you, excellent work by Santiago.
47:45Well, and we have the match against the French,
47:48which is the third place team.
47:49And come on, Julian, no, it's not your fault.
47:51No, it's not your fault.
47:53Come on, come on.
47:54Of course, I'm going to quickly give you a calm answer.
47:57Remember.
47:58Yes, go ahead.
47:59He'll, answer me.
48:00Yes, no, Pacho, just for Andres,
48:03because I knew the PETA.
48:05Just remember to give him a suckling pig first.
48:07Right, last week we programmed suckling pig without rice,
48:10as it should be.
48:11Of course.
48:13And the other thing,
48:14uh, well, I've had the chance to win titles,
48:17okay, being there with my team.
48:20So, in other triumphs,
48:22we've met in other triumphs,
48:23but it's my duty to tell you not to feel bad,
48:26that it wasn't your fault.
48:27Very good.
48:29Well, guys, to do a round of a question.
48:32Let me tell you something that nobody really says.
48:35And, and that for you,
48:41any of you who have been in these minor elections,
48:43and it was said and seen,
48:45I had to be left out of a U-20 team because,
48:47uh, previously the coaches,
48:49some of them,
48:50didn't have the possibility and the capacity to choose freely,
48:53because the businessmen,
48:54the leaders,
48:55this,
48:55many times put the players in.
48:57Today, for me,
49:04this is important because this coach,
49:06who gave,
49:06who,
49:07who,
49:07who strengthened the mentality of the players,
49:10beyond what happened today,
49:11and that out of conviction he took on a man who was much discussed,
49:14like Nici Virial,
49:16he took him on regardless and Maria gave him the chance to be in a World Cup
49:19and to be the top scorer in a World Cup.
49:21For me,
49:25we have to keep the possibility of him continuing to be in the national teams,
49:28but also give him the tools to continue training and putting himself at the service of the national team.
49:33Very well.
49:34I'm going to ask you a question based on several things.
49:40First,
49:40in light of the opposing positions that we've had at this round table,
49:43not from everyone,
49:44but if there is a different opinion,
49:46would you continue with the Cesar Torres process
49:48or would you take advantage of the fact that he's wanted in Saudi Arabia and the United States to make a change?
49:55What would you do?
49:56No,
49:57for me,
49:57I would do it if he contributed at home,
49:59had a sense of belonging like the Argentines have had too,
50:02and they would give him the tools.
50:03Okay,
50:04we have to comb the country looking for those players.
50:06And
50:07those players who can give us something back without taking it away from us.
50:11The evolution of today's football needs a little more dynamism and imagination in the middle
50:18because today we have a very aggressive football,
50:21but we need something in that midfield.
50:24What would you say?
50:25I would leave him.
50:26You heard what Torres said just now.
50:29Um,
50:29I would leave this gentleman.
50:31I would sign two more World Cups for him.
50:33I
50:33mean,
50:34he talked about demands,
50:35he talked about how they had failed,
50:37that we have to finish with dignity because he wanted to be champion.
50:40We never think about that.
50:41If we are talking about mentality,
50:43we don't talk about it.
50:44He said with a broken voice,
50:45I wanted to be champion and I couldn't.
50:47Well,
50:47I'm going to finish this with dignity.
50:49I signed for that gentleman.
50:50I will try until we achieve it.
50:52Exactly.
50:52I would sign for that gentleman too.
50:54Three more World Cups.
50:55Cut in half.
50:56Dot.
50:56You,
50:56Andres.
50:57Obviously,
50:58but of course I feel with him as I should when taking stock since,
51:01let's say,
51:02we are talking about a decision by the Federation,
51:04right?
51:05I mean,
51:05and to say what you said.
51:07Everything was great.
51:08The speech was spectacular.
51:10And he stays longer.
51:16But we do have to try to find where arguments or tools were missing so that,
51:19in the next,
51:20in the next,
51:21possibilities we have a more complete team,
51:23that is more like what is needed so that we can achieve a better performance.
51:26But that is part of the process that we never do.
51:34Keeping the coach.
51:35What does Lucho say?
51:37It is not just saying it.
51:40I can't say that I want many things.
51:43It is not just saying it.
51:44It is looking for how to achieve it and how to do it.
51:47And that is what we have lacked.
51:49I would like a coach.
51:50I mean,
51:50if he is a good coach.
51:52But I would like a better coach than him.
51:54I mean,
51:54you would take advantage of the fact that you would make a change.
51:57It is not now.
51:58It has been a while since Cardenas Reyes.
52:00And now I would like a higher level coach for the lower categories because I think we can give more.
52:04Okay.
52:04What do you say,
52:05Anna?
52:06I think that,
52:07beyond leaving what is possible,
52:09in the end,
52:09leaving him takes the responsibility away from the Colombian Football Federation to generate a comprehensive project.
52:15Because the results of the U20 cannot be separated from everything that is done in terms of training,
52:20from children's categories and training of coaches,
52:22as I have already said.
52:26So,
52:27for me,
52:27it is about rethinking it with Cesar,
52:29with everyone involved to see how the project is strengthened,
52:32to see if it is lacking in that search for those players that,
52:35let's say,
52:35we need so much from a creative point of view,
52:38or,
52:38or how else can you strengthen the style,
52:40a game idea,
52:41uh,
52:41that allows us to,
52:42in the end,
52:43what does a U20 leave us,
52:45important players for the future of Colombian football?
52:50Shirley,
52:50Pacho,
52:51there are many things to correct.
52:53Shirley you start reviewing and fill the notebook to at least two pages,
52:57but I would leave it because he is a man who has demonstrated character,
53:01he is a man who has that mentality to move football forward.
53:04Okay.
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