Grand Designs Decons tructed Season 01 Episode 02

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00:00Show that dives into the latest episode of Grand Designs,

00:02but also explores some of the big themes and the big talking points of the series

00:05because it's been going for so long,

00:07and yet we've never really managed to get fully behind the scenes until now.

00:12You don't think there's a reason for that?

00:13Do you think that nobody wanted us to get behind the scenes?

00:15I wanted it.

00:16I speak for millions of fans.

00:17We want to know the real behind-the-scenes stuff, Kevin.

00:20That's what we're going to get on this show.

00:21But listen, you and I started talking about this in 2021, right?

00:23Yes.

00:23So how come we haven't done it before?

00:25Well, look, as you know, good things take a while to build.

00:28You can't rush a Grand Design.

00:30We haven't rushed this podcast.

00:31You know, we're here, and the moment is right.

00:33It's true.

00:34I love this show so much that I've actually stayed in a Grand Design.

00:37With the owner's knowledge?

00:38Yeah, yeah, I didn't break in.

00:39No, Ed and Rowena in Herefordshire, they have their beautiful houses.

00:44My favourite episode of Grand Designs and millions of others' favourite episode.

00:47And they actually have a little sort of rental property on their land.

00:51Yes.

00:51And they come and have coffee with you, and you go and hang out in their house.

00:54And they're the nicest people.

00:54We've become friends.

00:55It's been so nice.

00:56They are lovely people, and they're down the road from me, and we've become good mates.

00:59And they put a blue plaque up saying, Greg James stayed here with the dates and everything.

01:05I know that's not true, because they famously take 17 years to do anything.

01:09So that plaque is not ever happening.

01:10Yeah.

01:11Anyway, should we get to today's episode?

01:13Who were we following today, and what was the build?

01:16Pete and A.

01:17She is a ceramicist.

01:19And this house is the perfect choice for Pete, because he is a vice president of supply

01:26chain strategy.

01:27Fancy.

01:27He's in the business of ordering things on large scales, huge scales.

01:31And he just looked at the market and thought, I ain't going the usual route.

01:35It's chaos.

01:36I want a guaranteed product that can come from a factory and arrive on a lorry.

01:40And that's exactly what he's bought.

01:41Yeah, a mail-order house, essentially.

01:43A mail-order pre-fabricated house.

01:45I mean, it's not even like flat-pack furniture.

01:47This is volumetric, so it's like, open the box, there's a house inside.

01:50Yeah.

01:51And you literally crane it into position.

01:53There's a high level of finish.

01:54There's a lot of work that goes on in the factory.

01:57It's all wide.

01:57It's all plumbed.

01:58It sounds perfect, doesn't it?

01:59You know, you do get a say, of course.

02:01And depending on the company you work with, some will give you a choice of taps.

02:04Others will say, no, completely design that house as you want it, because they've

02:07got architects that'll do that for you.

02:09And that's the route that Pete and A. took.

02:10I was amazed at how finished it was when it arrived.

02:14Yeah, I know.

02:15Even the tiles.

02:15I thought, well, do the tiles later.

02:17Isn't that not dangerous?

02:18They just all smash?

02:19There's an amazing sequence where you see the guys in the factory screwing the bathroom

02:23floor together, and they've got, like, layers and layers of plywood, and there's hundreds

02:27of screws going in, which just seems bonkers.

02:29But they're trying to create a floor with tremendous rigidity, so that having tiled the

02:33bathroom, the whole thing in transport doesn't wreck.

02:35And yeah, the tiles were all fine.

02:38I've never seen that before.

02:39I've seen bathrooms delivered, and then they tile them on site, which is cheating, I think.

02:43But these were already pre-done.

02:45On episode one, I introduced a drinks pairing for that episode, and it was a really lovely

02:50ruby ale from Durham.

02:53Today, I've gone for, give us a taste, it is a gin and tonic.

02:58And I thought it was water.

02:59Well, it doesn't have ice.

03:02It came pre-mixed in a can, and it came from a distillery in Wales, pre-fab.

03:09This is a modular gin and tonic.

03:11Cheers.

03:12Cheers.

03:13Okay.

03:14Let's see if it's nice.

03:16Mmm.

03:18Oh, it's sweet.

03:19Yeah.

03:19The Welsh Douglas fir's in there.

03:20I really should have put it in a Douglas fir cup, but Douglas didn't have any spares.

03:25Hey.

03:26I went to school with Dougie fir.

03:29I want to thank Wales for delivering a beautiful finished Douglas fir house and a fantastic finished

03:36gin and tonic.

03:37It's a great material.

03:41I have some.

03:42I bought you a piece of Dougie fir.

03:44Now, this is a super thin tile.

03:46It's actually not from their project, but can you feel the delicacy, the smoothness of

03:50that surface?

03:51Yeah.

03:51It's like pine, but it's so much stronger.

03:54What does it smell of?

03:56Potential.

03:56The best smell in the world.

03:58Yeah.

03:58It's a lovely bit of wood.

03:59The advantage of Douglas fir is it's not too expensive, and its performance is fantastic.

04:03It's got loads and loads of resin in it.

04:05And that resin effectively protects the timber, so you can use it outdoors without treating

04:10it, and it'll last for years.

04:11I love the passion of the guys in the workshop.

04:14They really loved working with it, and they had a real love for it.

04:17They loved the smell.

04:18They loved how easy it was to grow and cultivate.

04:20So the Douglas fir is one of the big headlines of this episode.

04:23The modular home, obviously.

04:24The bats we need to touch on at some point as well.

04:26We're also going to speak to Pete and A a bit later on in the episode.

04:31So modular homes, then.

04:32Why are we not all doing this?

04:34And why did Pete and A decide to go for it?

04:36Because it's a risk, right?

04:37Do you want me to take that from you?

04:38Lovely Dougie.

04:39Put Dougie away.

04:41Bring out Dougie later.

04:43Really good question, because for 30 years I've been making programs about houses, and

04:48for 30 years I've been wondering when we see this off-site revolution.

04:51Three, four years ago, I went to visit an off-site modular home factory.

04:54Actually, it was in an episode of Grand Designs.

04:56And they would come out at the end of the production line, you two finished everything, ready

05:00to go to site.

05:01And I thought, God, this is great.

05:02This is amazing.

05:03The future's finally arrived.

05:05And like two years later, I discovered they just ceased trading.

05:09Housing is incredibly expensive here.

05:11And so when the economy dives a bit, so housing demand drops too.

05:15The problem with a factory is that it needs a consistency of demand.

05:20It needs customers out there who are placing advance orders saying, we'll take 200 of those

05:25next year.

05:26And then you can plan.

05:27You can plan your delivery.

05:28And if you're making housing, which is in such a volatile market, it's really hard to

05:32get right.

05:32And it's a lot of money to just say, okay, build me the house in the factory and I think

05:36it'll be fine.

05:37Yeah.

05:38But the other side of that is, Pete and A had a pretty nice time on this build.

05:42It seemed to be relatively stress-free.

05:44And it was up in no time.

05:46Is it one of the most calming episodes we've seen for a while?

05:50There was hardly any, dare I say the J word, jeopardy, apart from the bats.

05:55No, I don't use that word.

05:56No, there was fun and laughter.

05:57And the only tears were tears of joy.

05:59It was a remarkably easy project.

06:01The reason why it worked for them and would work for anybody in that part of the market

06:06is that this isn't a 200,000 pound house.

06:08It's a three quarters of a million pound house.

06:10And at that level of the market, the supply and the demand is different to the volume end,

06:15you know, so these big companies don't survive.

06:17But the smaller manufacturers like Kenton in this episode, they're able to build one

06:22at a time, two at a time, and just keep their order book flowing and deliver this fantastic

06:27quality, which is something that is missing from housing generally across the market.

06:32And this minimizes the risk of going over budget as well, because you pay the money and

06:35it's there.

06:36Yeah.

06:36The only thing I could think that might go wrong is that the company struggles.

06:40But if you're not committing all your cash and you're being reassured by the order

06:44books that they have, then it's a great way to go.

06:47And presumably a lot safer.

06:48You're not outdoors.

06:49You're not on site.

06:50It's not muddy.

06:51It's not windy.

06:51It's not rainy.

06:52You're not at great height.

06:53You're in a controlled environment in the factory.

06:56I'm so pleased you mentioned that because construction, along with agriculture, poses the greatest

07:02threats to people working in those occupations, right?

07:05For example, of all the serious accidents that happen on building sites, roughly half of

07:10them happen because somebody has fallen from a height.

07:13So if you build in a factory and you build on benches and it's off-site, it's safer,

07:18a lot safer.

07:20You get far less waste.

07:22It's quicker, much quicker than constructing on site.

07:25And you're not having to do it in the weather.

07:26It's an interesting one because I really enjoyed the episode.

07:28I mean, I love every episode because the story is the story and the story is always interesting

07:32because it's people.

07:32I wonder what your take is on the architectural limitations of a modular house because there

07:40are some and they all have to fit into a certain lorry, essentially.

07:45So it is limited to a certain extent.

07:48I think we're at the beginning of this process.

07:50You know, you look at these buildings and you ask always the question, how much is it going

07:53to look like a caravan or a site hut, worse, or how much is it going to look like a most

07:59amazing skyscraper with ceramic columns?

08:02And we went to visit exactly that building in Croydon, an amazing building made using

08:07this system.

08:08So the answer is actually, once you start configuring the design, and here an architect is essential

08:14really in working with these makers, these builders, then anything's possible.

08:18So you can split a house down as they've done.

08:20I mean, it didn't all arrive on one lorry, it arrived on four or five.

08:24And if you're clever, you then join it up and plaster over the joints and bingo, it becomes

08:29one beautiful space.

08:30So actually anything is possible.

08:33Actually, the material was beautiful.

08:34We've talked about the Douglas fir.

08:36I have personal experience of Douglas fir and I think it's an amazing timber.

08:40And amazingly, we grow a lot of it.

08:42So a lot is grown in Wales.

08:44The Dougie fir is a great crop waiting to be managed.

08:46And there is that moment in the film where we see the tree come down, which is always

08:52a solemn moment with an organism like that, because it's been there for 40, 50 years.

08:56Your heart just misses a beat as you, you know, offer up a little prayer for it.

09:01But then you plant another one or another five or 10.

09:04And that sort of helps begin the cycle all over again.

09:07And the most important point about this business of cropping and managing woodland is that it

09:12locks carbon into the building material.

09:14So the tree absorbs carbon dioxide as it grows.

09:17If you leave it on the forest floor, having fallen over after 60 years, it releases all

09:22that into the environment.

09:23So instead, by cropping, we sequester it into the timber.

09:27And I think that is such a neat thing to be able to do.

09:30And that's what makes timber building such sensible environmental offerings.

09:35I think close encounters of the fir kind is your best pun in 25 years.

09:40It just came to me as I was actually saying it.

09:43I don't know about that.

09:43I don't know, no, no.

09:44In front of the camera, I just said, this is like close encounters of the third kind.

09:47Oh, no, no, no.

09:48It's close encounters.

09:49And they very kindly cut the first point.

09:52And then it made me sound like super eloquent in the moment, as if I'd just thought of it.

09:57Back to the tree felling.

09:58Hmm.

09:59If we all started building houses out of Douglas fir, is there enough?

10:03So I asked this of many people in Wales, and they all said, yeah, we've probably got a

10:0630-year supply here.

10:08We do have great stocks of these timbers.

10:10And the extraordinary thing is, if you'd asked me 10 years ago, can you build with Douglas

10:13fir in the UK?

10:14I'd say, yeah, but you have to source it from Canada or Norway.

10:19But actually, what the Welsh have done brilliantly by investing in all kinds of new grading machinery

10:24and by managing their crops really well is that they're growing strong, straight trees with

10:29minimum number of knots in it.

10:31It's super strong for construction.

10:33And the bulk of the Douglas fir in this building is used inside these great big timber cassettes.

10:37It's used structurally.

10:39And we're making these long beams with.

10:41So it really ranks as a construction timber.

10:44Darif fir.

10:45Super reliable.

10:47Okay, Kevin.

10:48Really enjoying the chat.

10:49We'll be back after the break.

10:51And teach me your ways again.

10:52Like on episode one, you taught me how to go into an ad break in the style of Kevin MacLeod.

10:56What do we do here?

10:57You want to create some suspense.

10:58Yeah.

10:58You want to bring people back.

10:59Yeah.

10:59So you say something like, nothing's fallen off yet.

11:03Nothing's fallen off yet.

11:04But in ten minutes, something might happen.

11:08Something might happen.

11:12And then the music.

11:12But after the ad.

11:13Yeah.

11:14Yeah, that's it.

11:15Something.

11:15All right.

11:16See you in a minute.

11:25We're back on Grand Designs Deconstructed with me, Greg James, and him, Kevin MacLeod.

11:30Lord, Kevin MacLeod.

11:32Lord yet?

11:32Not yet.

11:33One day.

11:34It doesn't even sound right, does it?

11:36Well, Kevin, shall we speak to the stars of the episode?

11:39Let's.

11:40Are they down the line?

11:41They are.

11:42This is the really exciting bit for me, because I've just watched the episode, and we're going

11:45to speak to the people in the actual house.

11:46There they are.

11:47Hey, Pete, welcome.

11:49Hello, both.

11:50Hello.

11:51And there it is.

11:52What part of the house are you in?

11:53We are set.

11:54In our living area?

11:55Yeah.

11:56Yeah.

11:56Pete and A, I actually think that you are in the minority of people that have managed

12:01to hack Grand Designs.

12:04You did it, and it was relatively painless from a sort of sadist point of view.

12:08I wish there was a bit more drama, but I'm really happy for you.

12:11Yeah, me too.

12:12When you mentioned to anyone you were building a house, like, we'd watch Grand Designs forever,

12:17and so was everyone else.

12:18You'd get the, are you going to live in a caravan?

12:21Are you going to get pregnant?

12:23Yeah.

12:23Are you going to be bankrupt?

12:26Yeah.

12:26None of those outcomes happened.

12:28No, nothing's happy.

12:30That's so nice.

12:31When we were filming the finals, I turned around halfway through the day, and there's always

12:35kind of craziness going on with lots of cameras and people, and Pete was just outstretched

12:39on the sofa in the garden in front of the house, sleeping.

12:42He was just kind of just, he took 20 minutes, and it was lovely to see.

12:46Normally people are still frazzled, you know, by the time we come along.

12:50When you first walked around the house when it was plonked onto the land, and it was plonked,

12:55you were sort of amazed and looking at all the bits and going, oh, that's clever.

12:58Oh, look, the taps are white.

12:59Oh, look at this.

13:00Have you got used to it, or are you still walking around marvelling at it?

13:03Oh, getting more used to it.

13:04Yeah, I mean, it changes a bit over time.

13:06You know, it was the middle of summer when we moved in, but we only ever saw it in a

13:10factory until then, so it was quite a big reveal.

13:12One of the things I thought when I watched this episode was, if you could just plonk the

13:16house down, you could walk around it and go, actually, I don't like that view.

13:20Let's rotate it.

13:22You haven't moved the house, have you?

13:23Not since it went in, but yeah, we had to turn it on the plot a little bit so we could

13:28get around it.

13:29The original design was a bit close to the fence, so they had to twist it a bit.

13:33We don't have enough rotating houses on Grand Designs.

13:35Generally speaking, we don't have enough rotating houses full stop.

13:38Why not?

13:39Different view every hour.

13:39Little summer houses that people used to build used to rotate on their own axis like

13:43that to follow the sun around.

13:44You can do that, of course, by moving from one room to another, because you've oriented the

13:48rooms to pick up the morning light, the evening light, the midday sun.

13:51Yeah, no, that's true.

13:52Yeah.

13:52One of the big talking points in this episode, of course, were the bats.

13:56There was some huge foreshadowing going on there.

14:00Will the bats allow you to build?

14:02What are the bats saying about the whole thing?

14:04Can we get the license sorted?

14:06We're going to get some bat stats for you in a second, Kevin.

14:08But how worried were you, Pete and A, about the bat situation?

14:13It was just taking a long time, I think.

14:15We had to go through lots of different departments to get through everything.

14:19And waiting for the season to go past.

14:22I think we had to do a bat survey like three times.

14:25I mean, there was definitely a period of a couple of months where it was basically all

14:29we were able to tell people.

14:31What's happening with your house?

14:32That's how we're kind of waiting for a bat process that we don't really understand that

14:36nobody can explain to us.

14:38And at the end, there was?

14:40And there was no bats.

14:42Six grand it cost in total.

14:45Do the bats see that money, Kevin?

14:46Does that go to them?

14:47Indirectly, yes.

14:48They get a home too.

14:49Great.

14:49It also goes to pay for all those good people at Natural England who issue the licenses

14:53and everything.

14:53But really, the big wait is for the bats because they actually hibernate.

14:58They go into a thing called torpor in winter.

15:01And they can wait from this if it's a nice day and go hunting for some food.

15:05So they're in this kind of fragile state, sleeping.

15:07And that's a time when you can't really disturb.

15:10And once they're on the move, you know, also, nobody quite knows how many places bats live

15:15in.

15:15So they've got like a winter roost usually, and then they might have several summer roosts,

15:20and they might have a few feeding roosts, and then there's a maternity roost.

15:22So it gets very complicated.

15:24No ecologist I've ever met is quite prepared to commit to the full understanding of the

15:29life cycle of a bat.

15:31What have you got there?

15:32What species have you got?

15:33Pipistrel, which I think is fairly common.

15:35Yeah.

15:36So the common pipistrel, which is the most common bat we've got, I think there are about

15:40three million.

15:41Batstack.

15:42Batstack.

15:42Now, compared to the lesser horseshoe, I think there are only about 15,000 lesser horses,

15:47much smaller population.

15:48Batstack.

15:49Batstack.

15:49Three million's a lot, though.

15:51Three million's quite good.

15:52I mean, that's one bat for every 20 people.

15:53So we're doing okay.

15:54We're not eating them, are we?

15:55No.

15:56No.

15:56That would be a really meagre meal.

15:58But the point being is that they're protected anyway, so you can't eat them.

16:01I don't want to.

16:02They only weigh the same as the 20pp.

16:04Beautiful little faces they've got.

16:05The pipistrels.

16:06Lesser horses, less pretty.

16:08I'd have to wonder whether or not their popularity and population size is related to their ugliness.

16:13Batstack, what are they?

16:14Batstack.

16:15That's bat speculation.

16:16That's bat speculation.

16:17See, I love bats.

16:18I think they've got an interesting, kind of tricky reputation, bats, I think.

16:22You know, they're Halloween-y, they're spooky.

16:24Actually, I think they're kind of amazing and they're protected for a reason.

16:27You like a bat, don't you, Kevin?

16:28I love a bat.

16:29I mean, so many people do because they're a great marker of biodiversity, of kind of, you know, species-rich environment, which is great.

16:35And they live for 40 years, some of them, right?

16:38So I'd like to know, because you've got a license from Natural England, heavens, that took enough time to come through.

16:43What provision does it say you've got to make for the bats?

16:46What have you done to make life better for them?

16:47Maybe you could see.

16:49It's just that through that window behind us, there's a bat box that they can go and live in there.

16:54Yeah, you're cohabiting the same site together.

16:56That's a nice thing.

16:56It's nice. What were the main stresses for you during this build?

17:01What were the bits you look back on and go, I'm so glad that that bit's over?

17:05I don't know. It hasn't been that stress.

17:07The stress is kind of like, where am I going to put everything?

17:10Well, that's a nice problem to have, isn't it?

17:11It was a lovely episode to watch because you thought, this is working out.

17:14The bit that would have stressed me out would have been spending three quarters of a million pounds on a house that's being delivered on a truck driven by a 10-year-old.

17:22And then you think, oh, God, please be careful, be careful.

17:25And then it drops. Surely there was a moment where you thought, oh, God, this has gone really badly.

17:30Yeah, maybe I'm overly optimistic or maybe you have to be.

17:34But, yeah, there's times when I wondered what we were doing.

17:38And I remember Kevin playing back at some point, the risk.

17:41And I was like, yeah, I actually hadn't thought about that, Kevin.

17:44But, yeah, most of it, I kind of assumed the guys knew what they were doing and it would be OK.

17:49And then there was moments of, oh, my God, yeah, it's on the road somewhere.

17:54What happens if it falls off the crane?

17:56And there was a big noise at some point.

17:59It's quite exciting, wasn't it, of the day?

18:02Felt excited more than worried on the day.

18:05Also, it was so quick.

18:06If you had to worry about something, it was probably either going to manifest or go away within a week or two.

18:12Because everything was happening at all speed.

18:15It's a lovely outlook to have.

18:17And, Kevin, I wondered how you felt with this sort of build.

18:20Because you don't see every single stage of the build.

18:23It just suddenly, bang, it's there.

18:25Yeah.

18:26A puts her finger on it.

18:27It's the fact that actually the process ought to be exciting.

18:31Yeah.

18:31Working with architects, seeing a house build ought to be exciting.

18:34And so often that is engulfed by stress and worry.

18:38And in this project, the glorious thing was just seeing these guys enjoy it.

18:43When you consider the options, right?

18:44Mud for a year on the road, right?

18:47All those lorry movements coming every day.

18:49Another concrete lorry turning up.

18:50More supplies blocking the road.

18:52Can't get kids to school.

18:53You know, people getting really antsy because these people are taking forever.

18:57That house arrived before anybody got out of bed that morning.

18:59It was just like, it was there.

19:01Are you talking just personally?

19:02I was up at half three to be with the lorry in the lorry at 4 a.m.

19:07In fact, I got out before anybody else.

19:09No, I didn't.

19:09No, you did.

19:10You drove one of our house here.

19:12One part of the house, you drove it here, yeah.

19:14A, I did not drive anything.

19:16Oh, sorry.

19:16I sat in the cab.

19:17But you were in the cab with the lovely guy, who I just referred to as a 10-year-old,

19:21who was doing his first big drop of that.

19:24It's the first time he'd driven a wide load.

19:26Do you know what he's doing?

19:27He's training to be a pilot, right?

19:28Fantastic.

19:29Anybody who's training to be a pilot and who's driving a lorry, I'm going to trust.

19:32Pete and A, it's been great having you on this episode of the podcast,

19:35and great to see that you're enjoying the house, and we wish you all the best in it.

19:40Pete and A, thank you so much.

19:42I'm very happy they're happy.

19:44Yeah, they seem delighted.

19:46A bit too happy for my liking.

19:48No, no, I'm joking.

19:49I'm joking.

19:49I wanted something to happen.

19:51The window to fall out.

19:52I love suspense.

19:53I love stories where you think, which way is it going to go?

19:56I thought that about the house.

19:57Which way is the house going to go as it was being dropped?

19:58Physically, yeah.

19:59Kevin, believe it or not, we have listeners and viewers, and they have questions for you.

20:04Okay?

20:05Tom's in London.

20:06We're going to start with one which you can refuse to answer, but it's something that

20:09I've also wanted to ask, and I promise there's something that will come from me.

20:12This is actually from Tom.

20:13Not sure if this is allowed, says Tom.

20:15If you're filming at someone's house and they haven't plumbed the toilet yet, where do you

20:18go for things?

20:20Number two.

20:21A dump.

20:22Oh, come on.

20:23Where do you go for a grand design?

20:26There is usually a site toilet that's been prepared.

20:29I don't have a dedicated one for me.

20:30Yeah, I'm an expert on site toilets.

20:35The best site toilet ever was the hoof house, and the Germans came over, and they brought

20:40their own site toilet, and they finished the house early so they could all drive through

20:44the night back to Germany in order to watch the football.

20:48And before they went, they swept their van, and they swept and cleaned the site toilet.

20:53That's German efficiency.

20:54Do you see how I sidestepped that question?

20:56Yeah.

20:57How many of the grand designs have you gone to the toilet in?

21:02For a wee?

21:03Obviously a few.

21:04For a wee.

21:05Okay, several things here, right, to point out.

21:08Architecture.

21:08One way to experience architecture is walking through it.

21:10That's what we try to do with the cameras, right?

21:12One is by standing still.

21:13Not many people do that.

21:15Sitting down is a really good way.

21:17And actually, in Pete and Hayes' house, I sat down on the sofa to appreciate the volumes

21:21from a different viewing point, from a sat position, because you see more sky out the

21:26window, and the ceilings appear higher, and all that.

21:28So that's legit, right?

21:30Another is to go to the loo.

21:31Yep.

21:32Try out the flush.

21:33See what kind of toilet they've installed.

21:34Whether it's a Japanese-style toilet that plays music and washes your bum and has lights

21:39in it.

21:40I've been to one house where they have one of those toilets.

21:42Just one, in all these years.

21:44And it was fantastic.

21:45It was like going to a fairground.

21:46How about this from Zane?

21:47Zane has got a question that actually I have as well for you.

21:50Is the final speech at the end of each episode, the soliloquy, if you will, pre-written or

21:56off the cuff?

21:56It's read, off my cuff.

22:00Hang on.

22:01I did write the answer down to this question in my phone.

22:03I could read it out.

22:04Please.

22:04Yes.

22:05The end piece to camera is not pre-written.

22:08It is rehearsed on camera over about 12 takes, much to the annoyance of every single

22:14member of the crew who want to go home.

22:17It's usually dark by the time we finish.

22:19They say, you know, you never finish an edit.

22:21You only ever abandon it.

22:23And with end pieces to camera, when it gets dark, that's when we stop filming.

22:26Great.

22:26Well, we're going to abandon this episode right now.

22:29Kevin, thank you.

22:30We're back next week for episode three of Grand Designs Deconstructed.

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