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00:00Introducing Storytelling Entrepreneurs, moderated by Mark Malkin, Senior Editor, Culture and
00:07Events, Variety.
00:15That's the timer.
00:17I thought it was my teleprompter.
00:19Hi, everybody.
00:22I know we're the last, but we're the best.
00:26We need some shots.
00:30So, let's do a little introduction.
00:33Nicole Byer, host, Why Don't You Date Me?
00:37This is their podcast.
00:42Erin Foster, Sarah Foster, EP, Nobody Wants This, and host of the world's first podcast.
00:49Thanks, Erin.
00:49Thanks.
00:51Erin Foster, creator, writer.
00:53Oops, sorry.
00:54This is going to be the entire panel.
00:57I'm going to ask one question and go.
01:00Erin Foster, creator, writer, and EP of Nobody Wants This, and host, the world's first podcast.
01:08Jake Shane, host of Therapists.
01:13Bernito Skinner, creator, writer, EP, actor.
01:17Yes.
01:18Yes.
01:18Yes.
01:19Woo!
01:21Say that.
01:23Compensating and host, Ride.
01:26Woo!
01:28And Matt Rogers, he does like everything also, and host of Las Cosas.
01:33Say them all.
01:35Actor.
01:36Hi.
01:37Woo!
01:37Makeup artist.
01:40Costume designer.
01:42Influencer.
01:43Good work.
01:44Host Las Cosas.
01:45Hi, everybody.
01:47Hey.
01:48Hello.
01:48How are you?
01:49Listen, I had a day.
01:52I'm kidding.
01:53It's great.
01:54Go.
01:55Go.
01:56I want to start off with just asking about the platforms, the apps that you guys are scrolling
02:03the most.
02:04I want to know where are you looking for stories?
02:07What are you enjoying the most?
02:08I know the other day, I was traveling, so forgive me, but my phone said I was on my phone for
02:1711 hours in one of them.
02:21It's a tough crowd.
02:22Honestly.
02:22Like, you guys aren't.
02:24That's hard.
02:24I've been there.
02:25Right.
02:25Like, when my daughter is like, well, show me your screen time.
02:28I'm like, oh, my phone, it died.
02:30It died.
02:31Like, it's so scary when people ask you to look, you know, at a dinner party.
02:36I'm always like, no, no, no.
02:38We've all been there.
02:39So, Nicole, which platform are you on the most?
02:41I love Instagram.
02:43I love it so much.
02:45Give me pictures.
02:46Give me videos.
02:47I'm happy.
02:49What about you, Sarah?
02:51Oh, yeah.
02:51I mean, I think Instagram, obviously, is the place that I am the most.
02:56It moves the needle the most, I think, for our businesses.
02:58It's football season, so I'm on YouTube a lot.
03:01Wrong panel.
03:01Oh, sorry.
03:02Wrong panel, girl.
03:04Literally take that somewhere else.
03:06Sorry, I'm just being honest.
03:08No, you go on Twitter a lot, too, or X?
03:10Yeah, but oof.
03:11Oof.
03:12I don't know.
03:12The algorithm is, yeah, well, that's also another panel.
03:17I'm so curious to see what the, I mean, Nicole, you're much younger than us, too,
03:22but what, like, the young people think of us saying Instagram, because I do think it
03:25makes us seem old, because Instagram is, like, millennials, and it is the only platform
03:30I look at, and then when I'm feeling, like, really disgusting and dirty, I'll go on the
03:34Daily Mail just to, like, feel really bad about myself, and now they've changed it up
03:39where, like, most of the interesting things are, like, exclusive, so you have to pay, and
03:44I'm, like, I'm obviously not going to pay for that, but on a dark day, like, you never
03:47know.
03:48100%.
03:48Yeah.
03:49I also read the Daily Mail, but only on, like, the Snapchat Daily Mail app.
03:55Yeah.
03:56That's honestly, I think, darker.
03:58It's awesome.
03:58I guarantee you, Aaron does not have a Snapchat account.
04:01No, they pick out the best stories.
04:03Aaron, he just read you.
04:05He just read you so much.
04:07I don't even have Snapchat.
04:09It's amazing, and I read the ones I'm most interested in.
04:12But I use TikTok the most, probably.
04:15Or sometimes Twitter.
04:16I just think it's interesting.
04:18I like all the chart accounts that talk about different pop girls.
04:22Yeah.
04:22So same.
04:24I feel like Instagram was my first love.
04:27Hey, Aaron.
04:27I love it.
04:28I love it so much.
04:28So that, and then I'm on TikTok a lot, I would say, and then I don't even go near Twitter,
04:34because I can't hate myself more.
04:38Yeah, deeply Instagram.
04:40I'm the same.
04:40And also, I'm going to give, like, a millennial answer, too.
04:43I guess an aging millennial answer here.
04:44Like, the Endel Sleep app is everything.
04:48Like, all sorts of soundscapes for, like, if you want to relax.
04:50Hey, Matt, that's also a different panel.
04:51Okay?
04:52If I can't talk about so far, you can't talk about Sleep app now.
04:55Well, I might fall asleep.
04:57No, yeah.
04:57And I'm a YouTube person, too.
04:59I will just refresh the YouTube.
05:00I think I'm part of the problem, like, not watching TV, because I will just refresh YouTube,
05:05and that's the day.
05:06Whoa.
05:07Yeah.
05:08Do any of you watch TV?
05:10Yeah.
05:11I watch Overcompensating.
05:13What?
05:14Season one.
05:15I didn't.
05:16I saw on Instagram the new trailer for Nobody Wants This today.
05:19I'm very excited.
05:20Hello.
05:20Hello.
05:21Nobody Wants This.
05:23I mean, you all know that I'm obsessed with your shows.
05:27It's, like, overcompensating from what I binged it so fast.
05:32Nobody Wants This.
05:34So I went to go interview Adam and Kristen.
05:39I think it was for FYC.
05:41It was like a junket, an FYC junket.
05:44And I'm going to admit the only reason that I told them the only reason I went there is because
05:47I had just gotten divorced.
05:48And I told, I asked Adam if he had any hot gay relatives.
05:56And he said, I don't think so.
05:58And I said, show me photos and I'll tell you.
06:02Because that's what I'm looking for.
06:03I want, yeah.
06:05Good to know, by the way.
06:06Good to know.
06:07That was my personal ad, by the way.
06:10The one thing that, when I was thinking about all of you guys on this panel, I'm getting a little
06:16serious now, is authenticity.
06:19All of you are, like, living your truth.
06:24You are not phony.
06:25And I think that's why all of you resonate so well with people.
06:29You're like, you're in there talking about sex lives, dating lives.
06:33Yes.
06:33You, I mean, Sarah, how many people think you're Morgan at this point?
06:39Wait, Mormon?
06:40Morgan.
06:41Oh, Morgan.
06:41I was like, Mormon?
06:42What?
06:44Yeah.
06:45Yeah.
06:45Well, you know, you write what you know.
06:47And Erin writes what she knows.
06:49And she writes Sister Dynamics, you know, pretty well.
06:52And Jake, you're open about mental health issues, which I think is so important.
06:58Overcompensating.
06:58I'm just going to go there to that scene.
07:01You have, what do you, you know which one.
07:06So there's a scene.
07:07Who's watched Overcompensating?
07:10Remember the garbage pail scene?
07:13I, that was not the one I thought you were going to bring up.
07:17So I like a condom.
07:19Yeah, that one.
07:21But I remember interviewing you about it and talking to you about it.
07:24And you're like, it really happened.
07:25And the writer's room was like, let's go there.
07:28And Matt, you were just you.
07:31Like, come on.
07:33Say that.
07:34Yes.
07:35So I want to talk about that in terms of, does anyone feel like sometimes, like, ooh, I went too far.
07:43I told too much.
07:46Sometimes when I threaten suicide a few times, I get worried that people think I'm being serious,
07:50but I'm not.
07:52That's it for me.
07:55And the timer just said we're up.
07:58So I would, if there's a clip of that for the internet, just post it now, I would say.
08:01We comment on pop culture, so what shows are coming out, what music is out, but also are creating ourselves.
08:11That's why it's like an interesting cross-section there.
08:14So sometimes I feel, even if I'm just, like, a little bit critical of something, nervous that someone is going to take something the wrong way.
08:22And that's one thing that has changed from the beginning of Lost Culture, which started in 2016 when Bowen and I were truly nobody.
08:29We just started the podcast, so we'd have a play date every week for 90 minutes.
08:34And, yeah, so when you're 26 to when you're 35, things do change and you do mature.
08:39So now knowing what it feels like to be someone that puts work out there into the world and is someone that potentially someone may want to discuss if they have the time,
08:50it does make you feel a little bit more sensitive and careful when you're just popping off.
08:55And popping off is fun, but I do think that people's feelings are important.
09:00That's a very good point.
09:02I've experienced that also where when I was trying to sort of find my voice early on, even on Instagram, on social media, I sort of played around with, like, I'll make fun of this person or make a joke at this person's expense.
09:13And when not a lot of people are paying attention, you don't really feel the weight of it.
09:17And then when you have more people paying attention and then you say something that is funny to you, you know, I understand why it hurts someone's feelings, especially if they think, oh, I really liked your show.
09:28And then you said something mean about me that didn't feel good.
09:31It wouldn't feel good to me either.
09:32So I do think that we're a little bit too casual about making jokes and then hurting people's feelings because you don't realize that they might be fans.
09:43And then it really feels shitty for them, you know?
09:47I said this actually on my social media recently and not to go, you know, too deep or too serious.
09:53But I do think that we have an epidemic of kids bullying kids in school.
09:58I have a teenage daughter and I'm telling you guys, it's bad.
10:01It's really bad.
10:02And I have to sometimes stop and take inventory on myself because I go, wait a minute, but our kids are watching adults bully each other all the time.
10:11And even if you sometimes think it's a joke or it's whatever, we have to sort of, I think it's our responsibility.
10:18It doesn't mean don't be funny and don't make jokes and everyone should, you know, take themselves not too seriously.
10:23But it's something I think we have to think about a little bit more.
10:27Like the piling on of people.
10:29The piling on.
10:30Yeah.
10:30The piling on.
10:31Is the toothpaste out of the tooth?
10:34I think it's an opportunity to get better at what you do.
10:38You know what I mean?
10:38Just like, okay, maybe I think this overly critical or mean thought and I'm a comedian.
10:42How can I, let me challenge myself to make this smarter than just like thing I'm saying about you.
10:49That's a blanket statement.
10:50And I'm going to call it a joke, which I think happens a lot.
10:53It's much easier to be negative than positive.
10:56Yeah, of course.
10:57And it does better.
10:58Being negative does better.
10:59Also.
10:59The internet consistently.
11:01And I think that that is sometimes hard, especially in comedy.
11:04I think sometimes I feel like coming up in comedy, like when I was growing up, I remember looking to like YouTube sketches and stuff and comedy did lean mean, like the way that people would parody people.
11:16And I find that I do think there's a bit of a shift though in the internet where it's like, I love the comment, this ain't it.
11:23And I'm like, I just think that like seeing that I'm like, oh, I love that the kids are saying this, you know what I mean?
11:29They're like, uh, you thought you, you were doing something right.
11:32And you weren't, this is like cringe.
11:34So I do feel like you can feel hate.
11:37And I do think that it's being regulated more lately, but there is more hate also.
11:42That's one of the best answers I've ever given.
11:44That made so much sense.
11:46Did you feel all that deeply?
11:48Yeah.
11:48I'm feeling good.
11:50No, I, I remember when I, not when I was started.
11:53I was pretty much deep in my career.
11:55Um, when there were certain blogs that were out there that were very mean and drew pictures on people and people said to me, Mark, don't you want to make money?
12:03Be more like him.
12:04And I was like, I can't do it.
12:07I didn't want to do that.
12:08Well, it worked out for you and not so much for the person who drew things on people's faces.
12:14All love to them.
12:15Oh, I love you, Matt.
12:17But then can I also just say quickly on the flip side, you also, I think we're seeing a lot of people.
12:23Um, trying to emulate other people on social media or in their content.
12:28It's like, if you don't stand for, you got to stand for something, right?
12:32Or you stand for nothing.
12:33So I think we were seeing a lot of people kind of playing around who, what, who their, what their personality is.
12:40And it's like, you got to have your thing on social media and you can't worry about what other people are going to say.
12:47Just be you, put it out there.
12:48And whoever is into it is going to be into it.
12:50And as far as like authenticity, I think it's hard to regret anything you did at a time, unless it was, you know, maybe you're like, Oh, if that was like mean.
13:00But I think if it felt true to you at the time, as far as like the art you're making outside of a jab at someone, I, I, I don't know.
13:07I've had that recently in the past year where like videos pop up and stuff.
13:10And I'm like, I wish that video didn't exist.
13:13And I don't think that's that funny, but like, I wanted to do it then.
13:16And sweet kid, like, you know, I'm like doing the best day.
13:19So I think it's kind of being like, it was honest to me then.
13:23And, and it's also, you've learned from it.
13:26You're not doing it still.
13:27You're finding your voice.
13:28It's hard to find a comedic voice.
13:30I think that too.
13:30It's like, it takes time.
13:31So being like, Ooh, that sketch sucks.
13:35But yeah.
13:36What stories do you think still need to be told?
13:43I mean, so many because people aren't a monolith.
13:46So it's like more, you know, queer stories, trans stories, black stories.
13:51I think white people could still tell theirs too.
13:54I'm not, I'm not saying they have to stop.
13:58But yeah, I just think like we as a culture just need to embrace, you know, different stories
14:03and not police them and let people speak their truth.
14:07Also, like there is something to a classic story that gets short, like retold, but you know,
14:15everyone wants to see two people fall in love.
14:18Clearly everyone wants to see someone, um, be accepted for who they are.
14:22One of the great things I think about your show is that it applies to everyone because
14:29really what the character is going through is I just want to make sure that if I tell
14:32everyone who I really am, that they're still going to love me.
14:36And that doesn't have to do with being queer.
14:38That could be due with, um, you know, having a certain interest or, you know, a certain pursuit.
14:43So as long as it feels true and real, I think you can quote unquote, retell a story just
14:49as long as it feels like it's going to hit home with somebody.
14:53Also, I would say that one of the things we really tried to do on our show is it's not
14:59that it was meant to be such a unique love story.
15:01It's that we really didn't want to follow a formula.
15:05And I think that people get really stuck.
15:07I'm sure everyone here has developed shows, taken shows out and they go, well, we're really
15:11looking for workplace comedies because the office is hitting and we're really looking
15:14for feel good because Ted Lasso is hitting and you're always trying to catch up to the
15:18next thing and, and it's better to create the next thing, right?
15:23But it has to be authentic.
15:24So when I was writing the, nobody wants this pilot, I wasn't writing a rom-com and I wasn't
15:30trying to bring rom-coms back or tell a different kind of story.
15:33I just wanted to tell a story that was meaningful to me.
15:36And it was not following an act structure or an AB story that I had learned in college.
15:41It was really just the story I wanted to tell.
15:43And I have to give Netflix a lot of credit that they'd never tried to like turn it into
15:47the thing that they, you know, their algorithms and data tells them works.
15:51And I think that that's something that we all can try to do as people who have the option
15:56to push the boundary and do it the way that feels right to you, not as, as part of a formula.
16:01But that's this kind of story I think people want to see is they feel the formula and you
16:06don't really, as an audience member, want to feel like you're just sort of part of the wheel.
16:10You want to feel like you're reading or watching a story that is meaningful to somebody.
16:15Yeah.
16:15It's like making things not in reaction to the success of something, but because you really
16:19wanted it.
16:20And I feel like you can feel that in a story in like two seconds where I'm like, oh,
16:23they were dying to make it.
16:25Well, it goes back to authenticity.
16:27You know, you're just, you're telling your stories.
16:29But the world isn't going to let you be authentic.
16:31You have to force it.
16:33Most people will tell you to be something else that makes them comfortable.
16:36And it is very challenging to feel confident enough that you push forward and stay being
16:41yourself.
16:42And then eventually I do think that it can be rewarded.
16:45Nicole on your podcast.
16:47Yes.
16:47So, you know, we have dating stories.
16:50Has there been one that just left you with your mouth on the floor where you were like,
16:55never thought we'd go there?
16:57There hasn't been anything where I was like, oh my God, that's so shocking.
17:03But I, I mean, I have, I reveal a lot about, you know, my sex life, my dating life, because
17:08I think it's interesting.
17:10I think it's relatable.
17:11I mean, sometimes through talking, I'm like, oh, I'm the red flag.
17:17This is not good.
17:18You're the reason why you're single.
17:20Um, but I'm trying to think of a story that was, I mean, I did a wild thing.
17:25I went on a date where we went to the Burbank airport.
17:28Um, I bought us refundable tickets on Delta because I'm a diamond diva.
17:33And the highest status, I'm allowed in the lounge.
17:38And, uh, I bought us refundable tickets.
17:40We went and ate at Guy Fieri's burger bar because we heard the burgers were good.
17:45And then we just left.
17:47And then I got the, the money refunded back to me.
17:50So it was a win-win.
17:52But you can't just eat in the restaurant without buying a ticket?
17:55Well, it's in the Burbank airport.
17:57I understand.
17:58Past the gate.
17:58So we went through TSA and everything.
18:00Why were you buying the tickets?
18:03Because I'm a boss bitch.
18:05Because I need to know.
18:09It was my idea.
18:10Okay.
18:10Where were the tickets to?
18:11Like SF?
18:12They were to Salt Lake City.
18:14Fabulous.
18:15They were the cheapest ones.
18:16My favorite city.
18:19Aaron, has your husband said to you, like, something happens in the house?
18:25Is he like, no, do not.
18:27We have this, like, handshake that we do that sort of started out of a fight.
18:33And, um, and I, like, was very, you know when you're really mad at someone, so you just,
18:39like, go, you, like, go rigid because you won't let them hug you or, like, make up with
18:42you?
18:42I think that's just our childhood.
18:44Oh.
18:44Okay.
18:45That we learned, Aaron.
18:46It's not everything.
18:47So he kept being like, come on, like, permission to touch you?
18:50Yes.
18:51Great.
18:51Okay.
18:51He's like, come on, like, let's hold my hand, hold my hand.
18:55And I was, like, going like this.
18:56And then he put his hand out.
18:57And he goes, oh, we made a diamond.
19:00And it made me laugh so hard that it became, like, now we have a rule in our house that
19:04if he says, like, diamonds up, I have to do it.
19:06Um, and I tried to put it in the show.
19:08And he was like, that is the most unconscionable thing anyone's ever done.
19:11Take that out immediately.
19:12So then I had to take it out.
19:13But now I told it to a hundred people.
19:17I confided something really personal to her, you know, during the writer's room of season
19:21two.
19:22I mean, I almost was going to say something about season two, but I can't because it's not.
19:25No, no, guys, like, very personal.
19:27You guys, she put it in the show.
19:29Like, I'm not over it.
19:30Like, I am fucking worried.
19:30I don't know who you're talking to.
19:31Writer in the dark.
19:32Sorry.
19:34Lord said it.
19:35Nothing.
19:35You ruined the day.
19:36You kissed a writer in the dark.
19:37Sorry.
19:38You know who you're with.
19:39That's all I'm saying.
19:40You know who you're with.
19:41It might go in.
19:42Exactly.
19:43Jake, I love, uh, I think it's today you went a little viral with your Glenn Powell story.
19:49Uh, Glenn Powell telling you that he broke someone's, he broke a date's nose.
19:55Oh, he did.
19:56Yes.
19:57Yes.
19:57Yes.
19:58I was like, I didn't see.
19:59Yes.
20:00He told a story where he, uh, was doing what he called skateboard parkour.
20:08And so I.
20:10On a date.
20:10On a date.
20:11But he was like 16.
20:12And he, like, swung his body around and hit the girl in the face and, um, broke her nose.
20:20Jeez.
20:21No, so it wasn't, like, with ill intent.
20:23He was just doing parkour.
20:24That's, like, from Glenn Powell.
20:26Yeah.
20:26Her nose was fucked up.
20:27It's a badge of honor.
20:29It's a badge of honor.
20:30Oh, that was funny.
20:32Um, congratulations, Benito, on season two of Overcompensating.
20:39I hear it's going to be filming soon.
20:42I love these tricks.
20:43Good luck.
20:45But do you have a, are you, are you ever just, like, walking around and all of a sudden this
20:50memory comes back from college?
20:52Do you have this ongoing list of, like, oh, we got to get all of that in season two?
20:56Yeah.
20:56I mean, I've been thinking about it for a long time.
20:59And it, also, just, like, from season one, things we couldn't fit.
21:02It's, like, eight episodes, 30 minutes.
21:04You really run out of time quick.
21:06And I'm like, oh, there's so much more I want to say.
21:08You fit a lot into that.
21:09We did fit a lot.
21:10Yeah.
21:10Um, but I'm like, I think in season two, yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm really excited.
21:16It feels like we, there are a lot of things unfinished that I think you'll, you'll get
21:20what you want.
21:21Maybe be a little surprised, but it is hard.
21:23I just, I always listen to, like, college playlists that I used to listen when I was
21:26in college just a couple years back.
21:28And, uh, and it's just, I'm kind of just traumatizing myself every day and I'm into
21:33it.
21:34I think it's fun.
21:35And the writer's room is down for that too.
21:37So we're all, like, telling stories and they all end in a really sad place, but it's fun
21:41in the middle.
21:42It's feeling good.
21:43Um, Matt, like you said, you guys started Las Culturistas in 2016.
21:49You took it to the next level with Las Culturistas awards, which was a live show.
21:54And then this year you took it to being televised on Bravo.
21:59Yeah.
21:59Tell me about sort of that evolution.
22:01Well, the cultural awards started as a joke, um, like every, like the podcast, like everything.
22:07Um, and really what it was, was I think that we just maybe were light on pop culture.
22:13And so I forget if it was Bowen or me that said, let's just announce a bunch of categories
22:20for awards and just say nominees and really just make each other laugh.
22:24And when I can make him laugh or he makes me laugh, we feel like, oh, that's a sign.
22:28Follow it.
22:29So we just fully three episodes after we announced the nomination said the awards are canceled.
22:36It's not happening.
22:37And it was never supposed to happen.
22:38But then we got an opportunity to do a live show at Lincoln center for free.
22:42We are, our listeners could just come.
22:45They really came.
22:47And then it became a thing to where now it's on Bravo.
22:50And we were looking out from the audience from the stage rather at rehearsal and seeing
22:55the people on the seat cards, you know, the names on the seat cards.
22:59I was like, okay, we're going to dance to Abracadabra by Lady Gaga in front of Jeff Goldblum.
23:05Like I'm going to thrust in front of this man.
23:08And I thought it's really gotten out of hand.
23:12And I actually did have the first moment in a while where I'm like, is it too much?
23:16Like, will people get it?
23:18Did we, we got away with something, but that's not always good.
23:21Well, I had a friend who watched the show and said to me, the Oscars are done.
23:27This is the future of award shows.
23:30And he was dead serious.
23:31That's the funniest thing I've seen this year.
23:32It was shocking.
23:34My jaw was on the floor the entire time.
23:36That's so nice.
23:36As someone who wants an Emmy nomination so bad.
23:40I hope awards aren't over.
23:41But I'll, if they have to end, I guess I'm happy to end them.
23:47But no, it was just so much fun.
23:50And it was such wish fulfillment.
23:51And I feel like I keep getting that.
23:53And I'm blown away by that project and where it went.
23:57It's very, very fun for us.
23:59Where does it go next?
24:00I think that with the podcast and the fact that that show started out in the park and it was just as fun.
24:08This might sound silly to say, but I don't need it to be on television.
24:12You know what I mean?
24:12I don't need that from this project.
24:17The fact that it is is so fantastic and so great.
24:20And just hearing a couple of you lightly, woo, makes me really happy because that was the goal.
24:26It just was to make us have fun, laugh, and involve everyone in like a big tent of fun.
24:32Because we really do need that.
24:36And that's, I feel, my job and my purpose is to just make people laugh and smile.
24:40And so that's all.
24:41I can do that anywhere on television or not.
24:44Or you do it well.
24:45What?
24:48In terms of, obviously, all of you are on multiple platforms.
24:51How do you decide what goes to what platform?
24:57Length of the clip.
25:00I wish people laughed harder.
25:04I nodded emphatically.
25:06I was like, well, I was just wondering how many platforms there are.
25:10Like, where does it go?
25:11Because I don't really know.
25:13I couldn't think of anything besides Instagram for the app question.
25:16So I don't know.
25:17You like don't utilize, or sorry.
25:19No, you first, please.
25:20People would way rather hear from you about platforms.
25:22Because I really am.
25:24I, when I, like I post, for Instagram, it usually is just photos.
25:31I don't really, sometimes I'll do videos.
25:33But most, I really just kind of do the distinction.
25:37Well, if it's a photo, I'll do Instagram.
25:38If it's a video, I'll do TikTok.
25:40And that's really just as simple as it is for me.
25:43It's a really scientific method.
25:45I feel like we have this conversation all the time.
25:49It's how best to utilize social media to our advantage, right?
25:52We have a fashion brand.
25:54We have a podcast.
25:55We have, you know, stuff.
25:56But the truth is, we don't do a good job with it.
25:59We don't have social media managers.
26:01Anything you see is just us, like, all right, like, let's put it out there.
26:05But we don't, and of course, Instagram for favorite daughter.
26:09But we're, we don't, I don't know.
26:11I don't think we do a very good job on actually, like, utilizing.
26:14I think we have 10 watching people on YouTube of our podcast.
26:19Like, that's not a joke.
26:19Like, beg to get a YouTube channel and, like, no one watches it.
26:22We literally have, like, a hundred views.
26:23So throw us.
26:24So clearly we're doing it help.
26:27But they're dying hard, I'm sure.
26:29And that's what matters.
26:30They're engaged.
26:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:31They're engaged.
26:32But, yeah, it's, it's, it's hard.
26:34But it's something you, I guess, really have to master.
26:37I do this, like, really cool trick where I post the same thing on Instagram and TikTok.
26:42So I don't have to think.
26:44Yep.
26:45And apparently if you post it on LinkedIn, you're only supposed to do it once a week.
26:50LinkedIn is not trying to see a bunch of posts.
26:53I've never had a real job.
26:54I don't know what LinkedIn is.
26:56LinkedIn is such a mystery to me.
26:58Yeah, I don't know.
26:59I went from Blaine Bryant to the TV.
27:00You guys, you guys keep that one.
27:02LinkedIn is actually thriving, though.
27:04I, I, it's actually thriving.
27:05It's not like Facebook, like, with, where you're like, oh, who's on there?
27:08My aunt.
27:08No, it's like LinkedIn.
27:10I'm building another business right now, and I have single-handedly put all the pieces
27:14together through LinkedIn.
27:16Oh, okay.
27:17Guys, we're old.
27:18We're old.
27:19That's the clip.
27:19She's not even on TikTok.
27:20But that's not, I don't think that's old.
27:22They're young, Jake.
27:24They're young people on LinkedIn, right?
27:27Um.
27:27People.
27:28Yes.
27:29No, they're, yes.
27:30I used LinkedIn all throughout college, and then I got a fake job, and now I don't use
27:34LinkedIn anymore.
27:36Who are you, who are you guys following on Instagram?
27:40You say you're on Instagram all the time.
27:41Who are you?
27:41My favorite girl is, um, not skinny, but not fat.
27:44She's my favorite follow.
27:45She's sort of like how I know my pop culture news, TV, all the things.
27:50It's true.
27:51You don't need to, like, look on the Daily Mail if you follow her.
27:54You can kind of, like, get the highlights all right there.
27:56Sometimes my husband, like, hears her voice in the background, and he's, like, calls her
27:59my CNN.
28:01Like, Aaron's watching the news.
28:03Where I find everything out.
28:06Matt, who are you, who are you screaming?
28:07I'm trying to think.
28:08There are these two gays that live in the Midwest, and I just.
28:12Which one?
28:13PJ and Thomas.
28:14Oh, PJ.
28:14And I just love watching their life.
28:16Did you see their overalls?
28:17Do the, the orders at the restaurants?
28:19No, but.
28:20I love them.
28:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:21No, they're icons.
28:23Oh, okay.
28:23But, no.
28:24I just, I don't know.
28:26I really like to watch these two guys raise their family and tend to their farm at PJ
28:31and Thomas.
28:32PJ and Thomas.
28:35Benito.
28:36Go ahead.
28:37I just, I only follow Disney adults.
28:39I'm sorry.
28:40I just.
28:41It's a world.
28:42I'm completely immersed.
28:44And it would be, like, it was a joke on set.
28:46It'd be, like, what's he watching?
28:47And then Wally would walk in, and someone would be, like, here's everything I ate at
28:50Disney a day with no budget.
28:51And I would just be, like, I'm obsessed.
28:53Yeah, like, I just, I don't know.
28:55I think it's because I'm, like, sometimes if I see comedy, I'm, like, oh, I'm scared.
29:00Like, I just, I'm, like, I'm at work.
29:02And then I'll love, I love watching people do makeup.
29:05I could do that forever.
29:06I'm, like, yes, do a full beat.
29:08Like, girl, take it there.
29:09But, yeah, it's Disney adults.
29:11I'm, like, what are you eating at the parks?
29:12Do you watch plus-size park hoppers?
29:14Of course, I do.
29:15I love them.
29:16What is this?
29:16Plus-size park hoppers.
29:18Yes.
29:19They range from sizes 2X to 5X.
29:21God.
29:22They're really good.
29:23And they're really wonderful.
29:24And they get on the ride, and they tell you if they fit.
29:26And it's good for, if you're a plus-size person, you know before you get to the ride.
29:30Yep.
29:31I love them.
29:31They're there every day.
29:32They're doing the Lord's work.
29:33They truly are there every day.
29:34It's incredible.
29:35I just love it.
29:36I fucking love it.
29:37They're hustling on LinkedIn and the cash.
29:39You'll never wait in a line if you follow some of these people.
29:42No.
29:42They'll just tell you what to do.
29:43Mm-hmm.
29:44Well, you are, like, a theme park.
29:45Don't point at me with your Disney adult accusations.
29:49I posted once.
29:50I was, like, I need Six Flags tips.
29:52And I think I got 100 messages that was, like, oh, no, you have to ask Matt Rogers.
29:55He's, like, a theme park.
29:57What?
29:57No.
29:58And I called him, and I said, what?
30:00Why are people doing this?
30:02Yes.
30:02I was, like, why are people saying you know about theme parks?
30:05Tell me it isn't true.
30:06Jake, who do you follow?
30:08I follow, like, my friends.
30:11I would say my favorite follow is Max Dalter.
30:13I think her videos, those are the videos that, like, make me laugh out loud the most.
30:17And then, also, I really, I love my For You page.
30:21Like, I think it's really, I'm serious.
30:24Like, it's really become accustomed to me, obviously.
30:27And, like.
30:27I would die to see your For You page.
30:30Yeah.
30:30It's pretty, it's pretty, it can go, like, one of two ways.
30:34A lot of mine is you.
30:36Really?
30:37Yes.
30:37You'd be popping up, girl.
30:37You interview a lot of people.
30:39Yeah.
30:39It's unbelievable.
30:41And it's always fantastic.
30:42Yeah.
30:43You're on mine a lot, too.
30:44Yeah.
30:46Mine are guys who dance, like professional dancers.
30:49Uh-huh.
30:50Uh-huh.
30:51Sweetie.
30:51Magic Mike?
30:52Or, like, dancing with a star?
30:53No.
30:54Because I wanted to be a dancer when I was a kid.
30:56Sure.
30:57So when I see these openly queer men dancing authentically, it brings me to tears.
31:03So thanks for making fun of me.
31:05Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
31:09You didn't ask me who I follow.
31:12Plus-size park hoppers.
31:14No, I was asking.
31:15Oh, that was it.
31:16Yeah, that's okay.
31:16Go ahead.
31:17I was doing a little cross talk, you know?
31:19Okay.
31:20Who are you following?
31:21I follow ladies with fat asses.
31:22thank you matt plus size car coppers and beyond
31:29there's this lady named gracie bond i love her she's got such a fat ass and she'll make videos
31:36where she's like the seat she's brazilian maybe i shouldn't do the accent she's like
31:40she'll just be like the seat's not wide enough and i'm like yes girl tell them tell southwest
31:45i like her is what where are we're gonna we have to we have like five minutes where do you see your
31:55storytelling going like what what what's that ideal sort of dream someone says to you whatever you
32:04want to do it's green lit you have all the money in the world what would you do what story would
32:08you tell and how would you tell it well mine definitely wouldn't be about myself um i think
32:13that that's one thing i'm like done with is i feel like that's like out there already and i do think
32:19that that's one thing that is a little bit of a bummer of when you tend to pop off as a like a
32:25instagram not instagram a podcast situation or that type of deal is because they're like oh we love you
32:33we want more of you and it's kind of like you got me girl like i've been i can't say another thing
32:40you ask me who i follow and i'm like what have i not already said you know i would love to do
32:45something that was very different for me so and i plan to something like straight football yeah
32:53mine's overcompensating but the opposite i go i go back in the closet and have amazing success
33:00it's warm in there yeah yeah yeah yeah um mine would be about myself um no i'm kidding same yeah
33:09no i'm kidding um i really want to tell more relationship stories um from different perspectives
33:15and kind of i don't know if you guys feel this way but i think when one thing really takes off it
33:20makes you feel like you not it not in a way to chase something but it that you want to prove to
33:26yourself you could do it again you know on purpose instead it's not a fluke and so i have that for
33:32sure in my head um and yeah that's it i had something else to say but honestly but i feel
33:40like for us like through our production company we've always been like what's our flea bag you know
33:45like aaron's like phoebe waller bridge and we're kind of like i think we've spent a lot of our lives
33:50sort of resisting maybe who we are a lot and trying fighting to be taken seriously and you know
33:57i fought to be taken seriously as an actress for so long it never really happened um and it could
34:03still it could still happen um but we we talk about this all the time like we're living in such
34:10hustle culture right it's like when is enough enough it's like you gotta have the podcast you
34:16gotta have the brand oh and you didn't sell any shows that's that you know it's just like
34:19it's like when when can you actually sit back and go okay like i want to i want to enjoy the fruits of
34:26my labor like it's all literally what i was gonna say i was gonna say no i just it just made me think
34:31that something that people don't talk about enough is that work-life balance is really important to me
34:35yeah and i only like to work with other people who respect work-life balance and when you go home and
34:41you're in bed with your partner by yourself watching tv i have a baby at home and it has really
34:46shaken up what i prioritize and there's this like culture of bragging on how little sleep you got or
34:53responding to everything in real time and i've gotten more comfortable where if i get a text at
34:588 30 at night i am not afraid to say guys i'm watching real housewives of miami with my husband and
35:04that's our me time and i'll get back to you at 8 a.m tomorrow and everything will be fine and i don't
35:09want to feel embarrassed by that and i think the more you do it and prioritize your life the more
35:13it gives other people permission to do that and i just think we need to spend time with our friends
35:18and family and by ourselves and not be so obsessed with always being on because it's a recipe for
35:23a really unhealthy mental state nicole what's your project what's that dream project my dream project
35:31obviously centered around myself i love who i am i think i'm fun um my best friend is this year
35:39zameda and we work together a lot so i think a dream would be a show or like a movie that we have
35:45written or created and we get to you know be in charge of it but yeah i like telling love stories
35:50i also love interviewing people about love so that too i don't know i got a lot of fucking dreams
35:55jake um i think my dream would be to like uh write a show similar to you um about myself and um
36:07see where that goes me like a definitely a comedy dream co-star dream co-star you want to star in
36:14your show well yes okay great um i would never and then not um i don't know i don't know someone
36:23taylor what taylor taylor taylor yes but i think maybe like that would be i would love to do like
36:30improv alongside like meg stalter i think that would be awesome because taylor is busy with like
36:37singing a few things you know she's gonna direct she's gonna direct a movie oh yeah she's directing
36:42well yeah okay have her do the pilot jake and benito who's your dream guest star for season two that
36:51you start filming soon oh my god my dream guest star i want pedro i want zed um yeah i said it
37:02um who else i want charlie back i just told her oh tell us about the wedding what wedding
37:11the wedding that you put on instagram yeah it was so gorgeous she's literally the most incredible
37:18person i've never met someone who works harder than her so for her to have one day off that was
37:22cool to see i was like take this in girl this is the one day off you have had i think in like five
37:29years but yeah it's really beautiful she's a beautiful person i've worked with her forever
37:33and i think as far as maybe what i want to make i just love friendship i think friendship is so
37:39interesting to me because i think sometimes as much as i love writing i love writing flirting
37:45i don't know and i love writing sex that's fun you know it's exciting to write relationships
37:49and romance but there's something about friendship that just feels like even more at times life-saving
37:54to me and in the way i view friendship so i think that's just like always a part of my ideas and i like
38:01lead with that and i think i want more gay friendships on screen and i think there's so much more to say in
38:07that space um and also just like what women do for gay people um yeah i love you you know that's a
38:15beautiful note we are at zero zero zero zero zero zero time's up thank you guys
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